I have yet to see one of those Superb Opinions that G@G announced a few weeks ago, but if there's ever going to be one, I think this one deserves to be.Unfortunately though I don't think the people you're describing will see themselves in this and change their opinions.
corporations are getting trillions in bailout money and won't have to make up for it in taxes. same when obama bailed out wall street in 2008. somehow when the rich get free money it's not socialism.
@iOoko actually that's extreme capitalism
The $1200 check to US tax payers is not a loan.
It's socialism. Just like in socialist countries, it's taxpayer's money. It's socialism. It's also socialism if candidates for office promise to lower taxes. That's bribing people with their own money.
@coffeewithcream that last part is actually not true.
@SarahsSummer it's a loan, the government will claw it back in a year with higher taxes. Nothing is free, everything from the roads to the welfare is all paid for by taxpayers
I don't know if you realise this or not, but that's exactly what socialism is. Socialist countries have huge tax.
Uh, my state government won't be taxing me more because they don't exist in my state...
Yes, nothing is free and yes, from this 2.2 trillion dollar aid package we will have to pay for it. Largely through higher tax rates, just like in socialist nations, but to categorize the $1,200 check as a loan is inaccurate.
@SarahsSummer loan- a thing that is borrowed, especially a sum of money that is expected to be paid back with interest.
I’m well aware of what a loan is and would be happy to spar with you all day long on the subject of financial instruments but I’ll just leave you with this definition. Taxes A compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions. Why do we pay taxes? We pay taxes because the federal, state, and municipal governments enact tax laws. That tax revenue PAYS FOR A VARIETY OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES. In this particular case, the government services are the provisions of the CARES Act
It is socialism. It's a handout and is not a loan.
@coffeewithcream when somebody gives you a handout they dont make you pay it back with interest
You won't have to pay it back with interest. It's a handout. A stimulus package. It's not provided as loan. By your logic you could live on welfare for 10 years and say it's a loan, you'll pay it back... with interest.
@coffeewithcream for some reason she’s got it stuck in her head that the $1200 aid to individuals is a loan. She’s mistaken. There is a loan component to the CARES Act but it’s part of the plan to save small businesses. A $350 billion loan accessed through local banks is a vehicle created to keep businesses with less than 500 employees afloat. If the business keep all of their employees on the payroll the loan then becomes a grant in which case the business will not have to pay it back. the vast majority of the government expenditures however are not loans but will be recouped at some point via taxation. In an instant, because of COVID-19, The US became a socialist state. Temporarily at least.
It’s not a loan, granted taxes might increase to fund it but that’s not a loan. Socialism is tax money being used to fund public assistance for people.
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The government didn't steal it. Taxes are not theft. It's socialism to accept relief from the government. Be happy, socialist.
@coffeewithcream No, socialism is when the means of production is owned publicly. Thinking getting 'free money' is socialism is retarded.
Socialism is getting a helping hand from the government. Communism is having production owned by the state.
Weird, that's not what the dictionary tells me.
the real question is why you're ok with periodical bailouts of giant corporatiosn with no strings attached
Sorry, a relief cheque is socialism.
Your memory doesn't serve you well at all.
@coffeewithcream Well then, let's see. Who is Gretchen Whitmer? Oh that's right, the MS. Girl Power governor of Michigan with a D next to her name. And who is Andrew Cuomo? Oh, that's right he's NY's governor with a D next to his name. And who is Sylvester Turner? Oh, that's right the mayor of Houston with a D next to his name. There's three examples and the list could go on on and on. I think my memory is doing OK so far anyway.
Governors of all 50 states, Republican and Democrat, have declared state emergencies due to COVID-19. Republican states were slower to put in social distancing measures. Even in Mississippi, a Republican state, Republican governor, crowds of 10 or more are banned, and a shelter-in-place order is in place. Donald Trump declined to take responsibility to put in place national social distancing measures. You say that absolves him of responsibility and those $1,200 federal cheques are damage payouts. Wrong. The cheque is a helping hand. It's socialism, but that's what socialism is. It provides people a helping hand.
@coffeewithcream Socialism provides others with things they didn't work for and didn't own. It's Marxism.
Liberals pay less taxes? Not hardly.
@coffeewithcream shhhh, I'm just trying to annoy the fucker
@Anonymous- where did you get that nursery school definition of socialism? Nursery school? Lol Sovislism has nothing to do with helping people when they need it, it’s is about giving those who didn’t earn it the money they steal from the ones who work and did earn it. It’s about everyone working for wages that are taken and given to others who don’t work. Socialism is about the state taking full control of all ways of creating wealth. it is an economic system that often leads to a system of government known as communism. Communism and socialism work well together, and have been one most efficient ways of reducing population. Life expectancies are shockingly low. Look at the downfall of Venezuela, once the richest country in South America reduced to an ash heap void of anything worthwhile.
then social security isn't socialism either yet you keep calling it that. if you don't then you're not who op has a bone to pick with
@iOoko, social security isn’t Socialism either. its not a redistribution of wealth to the poor. It’s a trust fund set up to supplement in retirement.
but what is socialism then?
@iOoko it’s a redistribution of wealth from the wealthy to the poor. Neither stimulus nor social security specifically target the wealthy with higher taxes so the money can be given to the poor directly or indirectly.
It is the largest wealth distribution plan in American history. That's what socialism is, taking tax dollars and redistributing them. Welcome to socialism.
I don't think most of them do. I know someone that rants frequently about liberals and socialism but then in the next breath complains that she should be getting more in her disability payments.My guess is that most of those people only see it as socialism if it's someone else that's getting the benefit (especially if it's someone in some group that they don't like). When it's them that's getting the benefit, then it's not socialism at all because they deserve it.
The situation was fine in Louisiana too. So they went against recommendations and held mardi gras and within weeks Louisiana became a hotspot for infections. Opening up a shit hole like kansas will turn it into NY in a matter of weeks. https://covid19.topos.com/Who said anything about people being unhappy? Damn dude, you're just making shit up in your meltdown.
Just short of 3,000 people died during 9/11 and life changed forever. 22,000 people have died from covid-19 and you think it's an overreaction?
It's socialism. That's how socialism works.
So I guess that same logic applies to government paying for healthcare or education. Ok, so you're a socialist.
I see you didn't look up the definition. Not the brightest bulb are we.
So when trump gives you money, it's stimulus. When dems give you money, it's socialism. Thanks for clarifying.
No because both parties put it through it was needed to help the economy during a bad time. Social Security and Medicare are both a form of socialism that is needed. The economy is ruined so they will need to do universal basic income for probably a year before things can get back to normal. Socialism the far left wants is extreme this is needed.
Whoever downvoted this you are downvoting facts
It is socialism.If there was an entity that harmed them, they could sue for more compensation for damages.The government, by providing protections from the caronavirus for the public is actually not harming the public, but protecting them.
You are entitled to your opinion. I think your opinion is nonsense. You think mine is nonsense. End of conversation.
If you were right, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately you're not right.
It is socialism and the better question is how many different ways can trumptards redefine socialism to avoid an obvious conflict?
Anything that Trump approves of is wrong to the Democrats.So the anti Trumper's should be the ones returning the checks!
It's socialism, so although it's a cheapnre-election stunt not unlike the stimulus checks of the previous Republican president, George W. Bush, pragmatism will win out.
@Dash_Fatbastard It is free money, just like Bernie wanted!How long the money tree lasts is another question?
Not long. Not long at ALL. The whole thing is idiotic.
@Dash_Fatbastard wow yeah he's ass helping people when the government stops them from working.
Surely You've hit on the real issue. The "other question" should have been the first question. Firing money out of a cannon at people, or rote redistribution of wealth is never good public policy.This is one big-ass jolt of Darwinism. Until a few months ago, it's been hard to totally fail in the US. It's been a long time since half-assing it though life could get one (or other peoole) killed.
@Opinion_Owner Not sure where you're coming from on this... your message got a little garbled. Are you off work? You holding up. okay?
Sorry I have a hard time dealing with stupid people. To call this an election ploy is just stupid. The government made it so most people can't work so they should do something to help.
It is socialism. It's a handout from the government. That's socialism.
@coffeewithcream i guess you have no idea what socialism is
@coffeewithcream- stop embarrassing yourself. This is widely known and quite common knowledge that these funds are disaster funds similiar to when hurricanes and tornados cause havoc. It’s is modeled after socialist programs, but it is not socialism. This is not even up for debate. You need to go back to fifth grade, this time pay attention in civics class.
@Asker- and yet another question would be how much more wrong can a blue Anonymous like you be? In this case, not much. You, the Asker belong in the same clown car with @coffeewithcream. At least you might get some java. Lol☕️
@Girther10 It is socialism. By your own admission.
Then why did the government have your money?
What do you think a tax refund is?
Universal health care is paid for by our money, tax funded college is paid for by our money yet those are called socialism. Smart one.
@Lumberman989 Allocation isn't the same 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ the people paying for that shit wouldn't be the ones using it. My dude you really aren't as smart as you think you are
@ThiccNigro says the guy who clearly doesn't know what socialism is. Everyone is supposed to have healthcare so everyone would be using it. Most people go to college so most taxpayers use it. The institutions that come through tax payer funding are used by the population as a whole so they do use it.
@Lumberman989 Here's how you fix that without taking from others. LOWER TAXES ON THE LOWER CLASSES. Fucking dumbass.
Also nah, that would mainly effect people who already have a degree. Everyone holds a degree, the degree is worthless. Enjoy working at Walmart with a bachelor's in CompSci I guess 🙄
Nope. It's not your money. It's borrowed money. The US government is $22 trillion in debt. Your tax money went into a big black hole. The US government isn't giving you part of your tax dollars back.The US government is borrowing money to give you a stimulus cheque. That's extreme socialism.
Actually smart one socialist institutions are funded through our money not the governments, as is this check. Besides the fact that no one is immune to limited financial resources and society won’t make it very long considering people can’t get healthcare or schooling without serious debt a problem not seen in other countries. What’s more is the rich benefit from socialism and your roads, fire department,‘library water, grade schools are socialist. The subsidies farmers in Trump states get are socialism. So I don’t think you know what socialism is.
Yes, most answers so far have been some form of:denialism: this isn't socialismdefinition changing: it's my money
thank you! every time someone suggests using public funds to help people they call it socialism unless trump does it
Um... we aren't really in at the moment... you have the Presidency, the Senate, the majority of governors, and the Supreme Court. That's a lock on two branches of government, and a 50/50 on Congress.You pretty much got it the way you want it. So, why did things fall apart so fast the only time your majority hits an ACTUAL crisis?
@Dash_Fatbastard There's this thing called the House of Representatives, not to mention a bunch of goofy governors (i. e. in MI, etc) whose goal is to kill the economy.(Come on, you're 59. You had the chance to learn about government before the liberals turned the schools to Communist indoctrination centers.)
I mean, are you going to say your guys are such weak, impotent cux that 36 Democrats is all it takes to throw them? It only takes 36 democratic representatives to keep your wall from going up, or making Mexico pay for it, or to keep your boy from wrapping things up in Afghanistan (yup... still there), or from banning abortion, or repealing Obamacare?I'm not upset... I'm just working on my "fast five" for my stand-up. Needs work? Of course! it's a long way from funny, but it makes me laugh... and they won't be opening in a long, long time.I'll be here all week, folks...
I-am-a-nobody So, you've chosen to blame the 36 guys (see above).Weak case, brother.
@Dash_Fatbastard Wait until Biden opens his mouth again, then you'll have plenty of material for your standup routine.
@Dash_Fatbastard there's always in enemy. immigrants, gays, you name it. just not those in power. first rule of right-wing thought
@iOoko Who is against immigrants? Trump wanted more immigrants.www.usatoday.com/.../But then, it's just easier for libs to just keep promoting the "Trump's hates immigrants" lie, right?Don't let the truth get in your way.
oh come on. "they're bringing drugs, crime, they're rapists, some of them i assume are good people". clearly trump supporters like to pick on anyone who isn't the cause of their plight. this isn't every trump voter though. i know many decided to bet on him hoping he would "shake up the system" and he did use some populist rhetoric
@iOoko ILLEGAL immigrants are a different story.Even libs should understand the distinction between legal and illegal.They couldn't be that willfully ignorant, could they?
It's socialism. Try as you might, you can't get around it. It's socialism Feels goooooood, doesn't it?:)
@coffeewithcream Try as you might... lol just no. I don't think you know what socialism is my dude.
Exactly.That's how socialism works.
You asking this anonymously hurts my feelings! If I knew who you were you would then be "accountable". Wahhhh wahhhhh wahhhhhhhhh
I am pro life! I hope grandpa dies from Covid 19 so I can get his trust fund and Cadillac! Praise baby jesus
@ecfresh Why fellow bootlicker? I praise baby jesus and trumpy like you do? These Democrats are such snowflakes! I want some addresses now!!!
What address do you want?
@ecfresh You are anonymous except for your photo and not sure if that picture is really you. What a coward! Bummer lover and snowflake socialist!
Of course that’s my picture. I don’t lie, I am honest
Wahhhh wash I reported you! Wahhhh wahhhhh wahhhh
Wahhhh boo hook wahhhh you've been reported twice! All these semi anonymous cowards! Wahhhh
Wahhh wahhh not disclosing more info reported wahhhhh
I spend all day on here supporting my baby jesus and trumpy poopy and the snowflakes and libtards can't take it so they report me. Wahhhh Mexico will pay for the wall! Brawndo has what plants crave! Wahhh
This got boring, I am onto YouTube. Bella twins on hot ones posted 5 hours ago, check it out
what are you talking about? out of his own pocket? are you insane? it comes from the treasury and the federal reserve! do you really think he's a multitrillionare?
ok i get it sorry
It’s actually money printed out of thin air by the fed. It’s not money that was gathered through taxation. Thus it will cause inflation and devalue all of your current cash holdings leaving you with less purchasing power. That said the bail outs being paid to the wealthiest people are a lot fatter checks.
What fucking difference does it make?
Because if you post this with your username then people can hold you accountable in the future or use other tools.
@ecfresh because he is a coward?
You admit to trolling?
Are you autistic or something?
Obama isn't president. Your taxes go to your municipality, and Obama isn't your mayor, and your state, and Obama isn't your governor, and your taxes go to your country and Obama isn't your president. :)
@coffeewithcream Obama's wife is an ugly gorilla, though. You can't deny that. She's built like a fridge. Thank God we finally have a female first lady again. Her English isn't that great, but at least she doesn't have a big ol' pecker swingin' 'tween her legs.
Nothing says First Lady like a foreign hooker who married for money.
Yes.That's socialism. You obviously don't understand socialism.
@coffeewithcream no, it isn't.
Oh, yes. Pure free-enterprise sink-or-swim capitalism is you sink in a national emergency. But socialism rescues you.
@coffeewithcream keep thinking that.
Reich wing nuts / trump supporters are fear mongered to daily about socialism by their propaganda news sources.
Yeah cause socialism means Russia and China and as we all know, Russia and China are evil.
Oh, yes, socialism is stimulus cheques.
No, it isn't. No socialist claims that.
So you must've been in favor of fomer dem pres candidate andrew yang's plan to give everyone $1000 a month. It's not socialism according to you. They're getting back their own money.
I'm in favor of getting the US back to work, cutting taxes and the size of the federal government. This handling of the pandemic is socialism - the shelves are empty, millions out of work, the government telling what businesses can open and telling others what to produce, and people are miserable.
And yang wanted to pay for his bribe with "taxing the rich"
Ok so you'd rather see hundreds of thousands or millions of americans die from covid. And would rather run up a mountain of debt than pay for things. Got it.
First, the data doesn't show that the state lockdowns are reducing deaths. Second, a lockdown is not without serious damage and deaths on its own. Third, I specifically said I want the federal government shrunk in size.So you're 0-3
The data shows quarantines have slowed the rate of infection and up to 40 million people would've died without it. Who are you getting your info from, trump? Lol.www.businessinsider.com/covid19-model-predicts-40-million-people-could-die-without-interventions-2020-3(now be a good little trump cultist and dismiss link above as fake news)
Yes. So are you going to return your socialist handout or what?
I'm not getting a handout. So I have nothing to return.
Plus the checks are only for people that worked and paid taxes. Not for illegals like liberals/Pelosi wants.
They don't have to raise taxes to cover stimulus checks. They didn't print extra money for it, they reallocated funds that they ALREADY have taken by taxation. If they raise taxes, it's an excuse
Yes.Refuse it or become a socialist.