@nightdrot"Women have become more exposed to sexual harassment and similar pathologies."The goalposts for what constitutes "sexual harassment" keep moving. The same is true when defining "rape" as well. To use the word "pathologies" is very misplaced.
@joeblow123 What would you call such things? How is that moving the goalposts? Would you call rape or harassment just options on the social calendar?
Eventually everyone's true feelings come out for all to see.
Men and women are competing with each other now. Unfortunately for men we’ve been taught never to compete with girls so it’s really just men giving women what they want in hopes they don’t get offended. I mean men can easily take back control but what most likely to happen is another culture that does respect women will take over
Feminism isn't about women being better, it's about equal rights and opportunity. If you haven't noticed that there's still systematic sexism in first world countries, you're either extremely lucky or extremely ignorant. But yes, it's unfortunate that people take things to the extreme and act like one gender is better than another instead of embracing our differences.
Well if feminism is equality why are you accusing me of being sexist without having a conversation, I would hate to live a place where equality means your right because your a women and women always right. It funny and sad that you don’t even realize how hypocritical you are
Sorry, when did I call you sexist?
I hope you do realise though, that currently men are usually the ones who 'are always right'. What women say and do is questioned much more, take rape accusations for an example.
Which is exactly what feminism is trying to fight. Women are the ones who have been oppressed, and you should know that.
The question you should ask yourself why are you telling me this stuff? You don’t care about my opinion because you already called me sexist. So why would I have conversation with someone who believes there better than me.It’s like black men trying to talk to a kkk member, it’s just pointless
Haha when did I do that?
So you care about the opinion of someone you believe is sexist
I literally said myself, that I don't like people thinking one gender is better than the other. Feminism strives for equality, not for women being put on a pedestal. Don't put words in my mouth.
I never said you are sexist!!
Lol you never answered my question, do you care about my opinion?
Buddy, you never answered mine about where I called you sexist.
Your hostility is not really proving your point that feminism is about equality. But it whatever
I agree with what you wrote except for the following: "if we’re talking 3rd world countries though they definitely need help as females are treated as 2nd class citizens."Boys are taken from their families and forced to become soldiers for the warlords that captured them or they are forced into servitude in other ways.
@mine_canary Refute this: mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/.../...privilege.html
That would be a long conversations I don't think you're ready for. The patriarchy harms men too like when it comes to toxic masculinity (e. g. showing emotions & violence). Let's take one of the examples on the list: women get murdered less.Most murderers ARE men. So instead of pushing for men's rights and more oppression of women we should be teaching men that it is okay not to be violent.Another example: women are less likely to commit suicide.This is because women have a support system of other women whilst men are taught BY OTHER MEN that showing emotions is feminine or gay. They have to deal with things by themselves rather than getting help. Instead of putting women down, we should introduce more EQUALITY and allow men to get help.Yes, men face problems in society as well, but taking away women's rights or suppressing them further will not fix any of them, it's what's caused them. And let's be honest, that little list does not come close to the oppression and sexism that women have faced and still do to this day.Feel free to pm me and I'll explain any other point on that list and how they don't justify putting women down or acting like one gender is superior to another.
@chris_987 Chris, Good news bad news.First the bad news:You already live in such a place. Canada, under the leadership of Justin Trudeau, is making Canada more female-friendly and male unfriendly. Canadian feminists even tried to have Canadian MRA's jailed. Canada is extremely misandric. Much more than the United States. Now the good news.There is hope: https://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/
Your preaching to the choir, Canada’s fuk in more ways than one. People can even afford a house so women running shit is the least of our problems
All I was saying in my comment, is that @AlongCameCindy said she doesn't like the feminism rubbish, and then continued to talk about what she supports: you can be equal and have different strengths and weaknesses AKA exactly what feminism is about! I was just agreeing with her and reminding her that feminists strive for equality, not for putting women on pedestals. I never called anyone here sexist.
Hey girl, do you think I’m sexist?
@mine_canary The false accusation rate for rape is 60%. The reasons given for this false accusation rate: spite, revenge, even boredom. These are the cases where the accuser deliberately lied. This is from a U. S. Air Force study by Dr. Charles McDowwell. From the book The Myth Of Male Power by Warren Farrell. What happened to Dr. Charles McDowwell. He was demonized and hounded by feminists: http://www.fathersmanifesto.net/mcdowell.htm3 Duke Lacrosse players were falsely accused of rape by Crystal Gail Mangum who would go to murder a man. The Attorney General declared them innocent at the end but before that they were railroaded by a corrupt District Attorney. Subject to harassment from others on their university campus, subject to castration and death threats. How do you answer that? How do you defend that?
@chris_987 Then we have no choice but to break that cycle. Our survival is on the line. It is not as difficult as you may think it is. In fact, shaking off that programming is very liberating. You see the truth for the first time and you adapt.
The ignorance on this app is mind-blowing.
@joeblow123 She is just a little girl. Her opinion is not important
@chris_987 She is a child and has zero idea about how the world works. I don't even read the opinions of girls her age.
@KrakenAttackin she’s been brainwashed. What’s more scary this will get worse after she spends more time in college
@SuccessfulHornDog "She is just a little girl."No. She is 18 which makes her a legal adult and she can speak for herself. She doesn't require your help and I'm not that fond of white knights.
I find it hilarious how so many guys are here calling @mine_canary a kid and whatever, but they all seem giving her so much attention. Hey @KrakenAttackin do you mind me join the conversation? @joeblow123 for you...False rape accusations are actually somewhere between 2-10% of all rape acusations. Never mind many that don't ever get reported. A single man making a really poor conducted study won't make that 60% a fact. It really only makes it look more like a joke. Note that I never said false claims don't happen. Keep I said that 60% is a totally illusory percentage. It's bad when it happens yes. It also sucks when a rapist gets free on the count of what the victim was wearing. Rapists being convicted is much less common that false rape acusations. Do you see why @mine_canary says you are ignorant? Because you believe BS data that you read online just because it vaidates what you believe in.
@mine_canary “ This is because women have a support system of other women whilst men are taught BY OTHER MEN that showing emotions is feminine or gay. They have to deal with things by themselves rather than getting help.”In my experience women have less respect for emotional men than OTHER MEN DO. They might not insult guys for as directly as men do (although some women say nasty things). But when they see a guy acting like this they see him as an another woman, not a man. Given that many of these guys are hetero, how do you think it turns out for them when they try to date? Two words almost everytime: rejection and friendzone. It just that women have this attitude that “sure it’s fine for any man is sensitive EXCEPT the man I’m dating”. Think about that. Freudian psychology at play here. If a guy wants respect and sexual attraction from women he HAS to be more stoic. Don’t tell me otherwise because I’ve been around a lot longer than you. I have seen and know the ugly truth. Women have higher standards for men on this then they have for themselves.
@youknowbetter "In my experience women have less respect for emotional men than OTHER MEN DO."All over my life I have seen the opposite. Women are the ones that accept that we actually show our feelings every once i a while.
@ThisIsMyOpinion yes, just as long as there was no romantic play involved. I can still remember the day I met up my ex for business purposes a few years ago. This was a few weeks after we split. I kept it professional but at the end I looked her right in eyes and said “I miss talking to you” and my eyes watered up. Only time after a year of knowing her I had ever cried in front of her. Ever. Her response “With EXES I don’t talk because it’s weird.” then she proceeded to compare me to her last ex. I still remember the screeching emphasis she put on the “exes” part. Now I realize that situation has more factors at play. But she respected me less for crying. Absolutely no doubt.
I 100% agree with your statement on this
@youknowbetter I was actually also including when there is romantic play involved.I showed my demons to my wife and was super supportive and caring about it all.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I’m glad you have a supportive wife. In my experience showing demons to a woman is a death knell. It’s going to come out at one point or another. But you have to be extremely careful how express it. You can say “I went through this horrifying experience but I came out stronger”. You can’t just say you feel hopeless.
@youknowbetter It took me years until I did it. I trusted her 100% at that point. Sad that you didn't had as much luck.
@mine_canary This from a 19 year old who has never worked in an office, never worked in a technical field, never done anything but read SJW textbooks, written by people who have never done anything but read SJW textbooks.
@chris_987 Bruh you clearly didn't know that Trudeau sexually assaulted two female MP's but he was let free.
Come out now and don't be shy Amanda! You can do this.
@Unit1 This makes me smile. I'm not sure how to respond, but point taken. Pondering...
The funny thing is you hear this coming from the young :D
@Unit1 Maybe she needs sex desperately.
@Aislin9 Is this directed at me? Seems so.Ooh the passive-aggressive one cannot even speak to me directly, she has to lash out going around me. I'm right here, Babycakes. Is that the best you could do? Ah well. Perhaps you should keep your nasty mouth shut for a few more years until you've learned a thing or two about life, such as what fighting for a cause and equal rights actually means. Tsk tsk, so divisive. You females, always with the personal attacks. You fight so mean.I've heard about you, you know. You have a vicious temper, for one. And you're a hypocrite with double standards between the sexes. And are you even a girl?I've done just fine, thank you for asking. My marriage has lasted two decades, almost as long as you've been alive, and there are three more men I could call up tomorrow who also love me and would be with me in a heartbeat, if I was available. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." Or is it 'the pot calling the kettle black.' Yes, I'll go with that one. If you think you are the shit just because of your age, you are sadly mistaken.How'd I do, Unit1? Too much? I couldn't help myself. New wave feminism is a bit boring to me. But not backing down to unnecessary antagonism is quite fun.
@AmandaYVR I just got goosebumps 😲
Have sex lol
* clap clap clap*That was wonderful! Marvelous! You grilled her through and you showed her. I would say your job was well done 😉🔥🔥🔥You demonstrated channeling the energy to answer a question you deemed had a matter of a ridiculous phenomenon to shut up your opponent. That was fantastic!Now she lies silent in defeat. You are the winner Amanda! I knew you could do it 😀😁
@Unit1 She is the equivalent of white knight, desperately seeking sexual attention by demeaning other women. "because only an idiot female would think such a thing."
"My marriage has lasted two decades, almost as long as you've been alive, and there are three more men I could call up tomorrow who also love me and would be with me in a heartbeat, if I was available"That doesn't mean you aren't seeking attention by bashing women here. I am returning the favor for your comment. Cry and bitch all you want... oh and you're 47, not a teen.
@Aislin9 Nope. You're the one who brought up sex, not me. You mention it because you think it's your advantage, what you offer that they want, and that might be true. But the big secret is that it's not enough. They want more. They'll take sex, sure, but they also want dignity and respect and friendship. The sex just isn't that valuable, really, in the end.It's not just lip service when I talk about equality and not domination or power, and compassion and empathy, and not treating men like the opposition. I support good humans. Don't care what gender they are. Your inability and resistance to acknowledge any female wrongdoing is the real problem.Ain't nothing sexual about my relationship to the men on gag. It's a mutual respect thing. You should try it some time.
"Nope. You're the one who brought up sex, not me. You mention it because you think it's your advantage, what you offer that they want, and that might be true" It is true, men generally want younger women not old women (except those with granny fetishes)"But the big secret is that it's not enough. They want more"I have more, so do many young women. "They'll take sex, sure, but they also want dignity and respect and friendship"Which I give and so do many other young women. " The sex just isn't that valuable, really, in the end" You assume men only want sex from young women and want love from old women. It's just the opposite. They want to marry a woman and have a family. Old women might be about banging, that's it. "It's not just lip service when I talk about equality and not domination or power, and compassion and empathy, and not treating men like the opposition"Neither is treating you perceived feminist competition that way. " I support good humans. Don't care what gender they are"So do I an you aren't one. you initial comment shows that. "Your inability and resistance to acknowledge any female wrongdoing is the real problem."You sure generalize about me when you know absolutely nothing about me. You're the problem in world. "Ain't nothing sexual about my relationship to the men on gag. It's a mutual respect thing. You should try it some time."You want attention from men, that's why you side with all the misogynist pig. You should try thinking thinking with your brain not your parts.
@Aislin9 Blah blah blah. I'm bored now.And p. s. Not a single one of the guys who upvoted this are a misogynist pig. I am very familiar with all of them. So your theory doesn't hold water. It's vacuous like you.
She blocked us. What a coward.Well then. Party is over. She seems the type to try to find a husband at Moe's bar.
@Aislin9 See? And you still don't know what circular reasoning is which is what you usually use. Not wanting anyone to point that out thinking ad homimens justifies your denials lol. I remember one time you said "this could go on forever" then why would you even block anyone? Lmao that just proves you don't know what you're saying.
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I totally agree with what you are saying. Perhaps with "the future being female", women will lose interest in competing with men on everything, on every level, every day. Let each person pursue their own ambitions while not being driven by some fantasy of "breaking barriers" and "taking no prisoners".
Let's all just be amazing in our own way. If a woman wants to do what is perceived to be a man's job, just let her be. If a man wants to do or be something that is perceived to be less manly, let him be. If a woman wants to be the traditional female, let her be and same with men. Point is no need to push people down. We become so obsessed with attacking others, insisting gender roles, becoming so egoistic that we become so toxic and become less of a human.
Yes! I couldn't agree more. I hate it when people say things like "we need more women pilots". Why? Does anyone say "we need more male nurses, kindergarten teachers, nannys"? No, never. But there is this absurd leftist pressure to "break barriers" where men/women by their core nature, have no desire to go. "Equality" would mean equal numbers of female welders, plumbers, electricians, etc, with equal numbers of male nannys, grade school teachers, and nurses. Does ANYONE really want this type of career vocation enforced by government? No one, absolutely no one, wants true "equality".
You started out good but in the end you pissed on your shoes.
No I didn't. Let me point out that I said GOOD men. This one's subjective and covers a lot of type of men, and I know that there are A LOT of good men out there that's why I really try to defend them, but the last one points to a specific bad kind of men. As I've mentioned before it's based from what I know. And I've never met one like that type that actually respected and trust their wife, girlfriend, even their daughters.
the future is beautiful
Nice touch for the hint of racism. Researchers imply the new standard of beauty in the future is mixed.
@PrincessBunBuns not according to WOC.
Literally no woman of color has said that before.
This is coming from me, a woman of color.
Great, we are turning the keys over to "Karen".
@KrakenAttackin calling a person "karen" because they are a white female is racist and sexist
So are you 🤣
@Aaron_Stone not true. https://youtu.be/BWf-eARnf6U
So you're giving ref to prove you're sexist. 🤣 Do you even know what sexist means. If you knew you wouldn't have write your 1st comment.💬
Opinion owner: Only "Karen" would say this. I suppose you are going to demant to talk with my manager now.
White women have always had more rights than most. Even most white guys. Unless you’re a trashy white woman, then you might as well not be white at all.
Essentially the female version of saying "this is a mans world"We wanted equality but neither of those are about equality.
@btbc92The first sentence you wrote sums it up perfectly.
But these guys on here are all for the enslavement of women. Now that women want to have a future, that men have stolen for all of time, NOW they are upset. It's pathetic that there are women that will defend the enslavement of women.
Enslavement of anybody is pathetic. Stop being biased. Your no better than the ones you condemn. Your just like them. Only female.
Get rid of that hatred and resentment before that destroys you and you lose your identity as a human being. If you all for Humanity then you fight for humanity. This is not a gender war. And here you go feeding it.
No man is enslaved NOR have they ever been. I am not advocating for that. I have no bitterness. Obviously you do. Your views are truly pathetic.
Look how you choose to come off at me and you tell me where I have bitterness? I honestly don't care what you think my views are. What you have to say holds no value to me. And plenty of men have been enslaved. That just goes to show of your ignorance.
Learn to listen to others words instead of being hearers. Some of those same men that you want to claim that are advocating for the enslavement of women may have rational reason for why they feel that way. It doesn't mean what they said is correct. But their feelings matter just as much as ours do. And it's not okay for you to go ahead and stomp on somebody else's feelings just because it doesn't align with your own values.
Jerks are jerks and bullies are bullies. It doesn't discriminate bases on gender or sex or creed or religion, culture or nationality. It affects ALL humans. I don't pick sides no matter what sex I am. Just because I'm a women doesn't mean all women are right. Sometimes men are just as right about us. And through years of observation, I cannot blame them. I don't have to agree with it. But I understand how they feel. Listen instead of judging. Before you fall into the Trap of your own error.
It's funny how paranoid these guys are. It's almost if they have complete control and don't want to share their power. Hmmm, wouldn't that me soooo unlike human nature.
So true, they say that they have nothing against women rights, but get scared as soon as it becomes an option
Not all of them obviously, I’m not generalising, I’m talking about those who act like that
I'm not paranoid about equality
I agree tbh I don’t think it will ever reverse
If women can convince men to fight for them then they will be leaders. But if no one is there to protect then how can she lead?
Well you'd need at least one man to have a supply of sperm for that.😁
Oh wait, wrong emoji🤨That's what I wanted to pur
Illiterate much? I said by adding a FEMALES DNA to another egg cell you can fertilize it and there would be no y chromosomes present to make a male baby.
I see. I'm not really sure if that's possible so I'll do some research on that.If it's true, I hope that technology doesn't get invented 😅
Thanks for the input thoughI'll ignore the illiterate comment
Haha yeah that was rude, sorry. :D
No problem, it's cool😃
We/you doesn't even need an female egg or womb to create living creatures if you have been paying attention to science the past 25 years 😉
@crazy8000 Well she didn't found she is the illiterate one for looking only one side of coin before calling others illiterate 😅
She apologized for it. No need to continue to poke her for that.
I'm not concerned about what she said to you , but her logic. She's trying to prove women can live without men. which can be the reverse and has more possibility if we go by her route of world of only gender. considering power dynamics in the world.
What she implied in first comment is pretty clear. so don't try to normalize what she implied by comforting her.
Well it's actually possible both waysI did bit of research on the topic.There's apparently a technique, which could potentially generate sperm cells from stem cells and pregnancy would no longer need a man.Similarly, I also read that there's a reverse method where the sperm from a man could be artificially grown in synthetic wombs, making women unnecessary.But I think both methods shouldn't work cause we need both men and women for a stable environment.
Yeah that's what I said in my 2nd last comment. Both are possible but opposite of what she said have more possibility if she thinks women are superior and wants that to happen 😅
Good luck on raising a baby and working at the same time 👍
There's plenty of women that work. Doesn't have to be the same person/at the same time. This was just a hypothetical scenario relating to the picture that was posted through :) You guys don't have to get so pressed, I never said it's what I wanted or believe will happen.
I'm fully aware that life can be created regardless of what gender the DNA is from or whether it even codes for a gender, but you guys seem to forget I was answering a post asking what "the future is female" might mean.
@Opinion owner I am not serious just imagining that is what amazes me even if we consider men become obsolete.There will be no one to blame on or how women will manage who will stay at home and who will work since everybody wants to work outside now considering the scenario women started families together like even if the future is female how do you solve the issues that exists I just want your view I am just curious for your answer in noway demeaning you 😊
I don't really see what's difficult about that. Every woman I know, including those that have children, has worked or is working, and I'm personally interested in a career, not a family. I'm also unaware of any jobs that only men can do. But again, it's not something I think will happen and I definitely don't want to eradicate men. :)
What I am talking is about men and women fighting over gender roles so we're will the kid go if both are working
Where do the kids go now if both parents are working
SO you say that both will share the responsibilities equally?
I honestly have no idea what you want from me. Same sex couples are a thing, straight couples where both parents work are a thing. It's possible to take care of a baby you gave birth to and go to work afterwards, it's possible to have someone else take care of the baby you gave birth to so you can go to work, it's possible to stay home with a child completely, it's possible to send kids to daycare. All things we do today. Has nothing to do with gender or gender roles, it's all up to what the person wants to do.
Ok i get it
Yeah, "the futur is female" sounds like absolute equality.
Lol and whats your deal? Like its so equal now? You guys just prefer how it is now because its yourselves in power, but if women were doing the same thing as you were you would be upset and flabbergasted. Future is female repsents how we want to be heard and will reach the same level that men keep us out of, our goal is not to crush you because if it was it would have already been done. Period.
So you want to be required to fight and die in wars? You want to lose your children in custody battles 90% of the time? You want to be required to pay child support for children that aren't yours? You want men to be believed against you a man's word alone with no evidence and put you away in prison for years? I got a huge list to go by if you want equal rights, women have more rights than men do plus privileges. I and millions of men around the world would be more than happy to have things equal.
Well then it wouldn't be too hard to deal with equality now would it? And you're taking out a bunch of factors that come into play with being a man which is privelege because you've got a dick so no harm can be done on you, you don't have to be scared when you go out at night, you don't have to be harassed by men who think they're almighty, you don't have to work harder than any other male colleague you have just because you're of a different gender, you don't have to be looked down upon because you're a man, you don't have to prove your worth or brain power, even when you are the smartest one in the room, because you're a man, you don't have to be scrutinized or bullied because of the decisions you make with YOUR OWN body... Must I go on? I think we can all do with some equality around here and not only gender equality.
@ThisAndThat You're being ridiculous, stop the lies. There is no law for custody that favors men. Men just don't fight for it because they've taken off with that new woman. Everyone man contest paternity, it's a simple test. Honestly, you guys need to seek therapy.
You're saying men have no problem going out at night because men are men? You happen to be talking to one that was held hostage 4 times kidnapped 3 of those times, stoned once around the age of 6, poisoned with attempted murder at the age of 15, held threatened to be murdered with guns around age 16, figuring it out about to be murdered just turned 18 and that's doesn't even include the close calls I've had such as on the job. And because I have a dick, like you say, I have to be afraid of women and their false accusations against men because you have a pussy and use it a lot too evidently too for hypergamy and entrapment or the abortions IE child murdering wouldn't be a thing. Your worries aren't even close to ours much less 99% of them justified. And that's because feminism has lied to you and you believed them without even looking for any evidence or facts. You did so because it gave you a reason to champion your victimhood.
Honestly there's no point in stating facts to you cuz guess what? Being a man has taught you to fight women who have an opinion and that its okay to treat women like shit cuz you're a man. And I didn't mean that men don't have to be scared, I meant that every time I go out to go for a walk I shouldn't have to be afraid that men are near me or about to cat call me. it's my body I do what I want with it and even if I did try to use my pussy to get where I want, thats other people's fault for falling for it. Not mine. I do what I want with my own body and you do with your own, no one is better than the other. Living in a mosogynistic and patriarchal society just lets you believe that someone is better than anyone else.
@Aislin9 No law that favors women, you mean? Obviously you've never heard of Robert Briffault's Law, which is the very law the entire western legal system goes by. Ever heard of a woman getting accused of anything being taken to jail on a man's word alone or being kicked out of her house while she stays there with the children having him pay for it? Well neither have I because it's the men that are treated that way, not women. How many men's shelters are there in the US for example. Here's the answer 1. How many shelters for women are there in the US? Answer? Over 2000. I'm giving you a very short list and there is a reason I am a 33 going on 34 year MGTOW Monk. I didn't just up and decide I didn't like women. No, they were satisfied in relationships and cheated constantly in the two short years I dated the two. Now you think the system isn't against men? You think things are fair for men? You think men don't fight for their children? You believe the deadbeat dad BS? No, here's the real reason men don't get custody, it's right there in the video, a attorney giving a lecture to other attorney's on how to screw over men though false accusations etc. I assure you I haven't lied to you once in this thread. You just up and decided one day that every lie feminism told you was true and men are all s**t without doing any research to prove or disprove feminism on your own. You've been lied to alright , but I assure you it wasn't me that did the lying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Dtcvqcjc8
Again, y'all pressed for no reason. We still just wanna be equal and you STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US WANTING TO BE TREATED THE WAY YOU DO. Honestly take your negativity and sexist ways out of my comments.
I presented to you the truth like it or not. Nice deflection though. Now, I'm out of your comments.
Nah I presented you with the future and what equality looks like and yet you coninue deny of us of our right to speak, so I will do the same to you if you feel the need to follow this grow ass society's ways. Nice talking to you.
@ThisAndThat1. That 90% is bullshit.2. Men don't pay child support for children that aren't his. 3. There are many cases where rapists get away just by claiming that she was wearing slutty clothes and it was mutual seduction. Just calm down. The world is not the nightmare you paint it to be for men.
@ThisAndThat Yes men or women I'm multitasking, working and typing here. Nice deflection. Name one ACTUAL custody law that favors women over men. I'm waiting.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Are these guys for real? What's the purpose of them? Everything they spout is a lie.
@Aislin9 I agree with them that men do have some disadvantages in life. But not to the extend the made it out to be, besides women have their disadvantages too.As for them I assume they can only see the men's side if things for personal reasons. Don't pay them to much attention.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I just wonder what the purpose is. Is are they Putin's propaganda army? He is known as a misogynist. Anyway, everyone has disadvantages but why lie? These guys are lying.
@Aislin9 I honestly think they think that they are not lying. They actually believe what they say.They just chose to believe what they want to believe.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Maybe you misunderstood? I wasn't trying to imply that 90% of men pay child support for children that aren't theirs. It's around 90% of men that pay child support.
@ThisAndThat I understood what you meant. It is still not a real percentage.
@sel226 You have equal +++ rights. Now women like you are looking for outright superiority.
@KrakenAttackin I am not. All I want is to be treated as an equal and if you can't see that, that's on you lol.
@sel226 You are out of your fucking mind if you think men don't have to deal with almost all of these same problems.
@KrakenAttackin I never said they don't, but we have the same issues but for different reasons. For you it's just plain old bad luck and for women it's simply because we're treated as inferior to men since we're of a different gender.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Wrong. Men in the U. S. OFTEN have to pay child support for children that are not biologically his. Women have successfully blocked laws mandating paternity testing for all children, as paternity fraud is such a problem. If married a man is automatically deemed the father of the child. If not married, the mother just says "John" is the baby-daddy. So what does a guy do? Take a paternity test -- even if that test PROVES that the man is NOT the father, he still has to pay child support UNTIL a court decides to take him off of the birth certificate (which can take up to a year). Does the mother face ANY sanctions or liability for commiting paternity fraud AND financial fraud of the non-father? Nope, none at all. Welcome to the gynocracy that is America. Also, you are a fucking German, please stop commenting on the American system of divorce as you have no clue.
@KrakenAttackin No one said anything about America, cuz if we did that's a whole different other issue. y'all are just bias to anyone that isn't a born American, white, male. So stop answering to my comments cuz no one wants to hear them and you ain't involved so none of your damn business. And just cuz he isn't American, doesn't mean he can't speak on matters that he feels he has the right to voice his opinion on.
@sel226 When someone says definitively that men are not paying child support for children that aren't theirs, I have to explain that the U. S. has epidemic paternity fraud.
@KrakenAttackin We're talking about in general, not just America. Here we go, like your country has taught you, no ones problems but your own matter most.
Well if there is a problem in other countries excluding America, feminism that lies to women and creates female homosexuality and male hatred isn't the answer. It's those running those other countries, not the men that actually make the country go. That's where it needs to be addressed, at the top, not the bottom.
And you prove my point by addressing only "the men that make the country go" like women don't help do that. Bye lmao.
Germany, Switzerland, etc etc, who do you think is running a lot of those countries?
@Guanfei "The future is female" sounds a lot like "Resistance if futile".
Women are the backbone of the family (or at least they used to be), men are the backbone of the economy.
And thats why society and the economy are fucked. Period.
@ThisAndThat Well said and absolutely true! Why does a man's risk of suicide after divorce go up between 3x and 9X? It's not because he is being divorced the by the Cunt THOT, it is because that same cunt thot is keeping the father from his children as a weapon. Women have ZERO problem using children as a weapon (no matter the effect on the children) because this is the true nature of women.
Yo the literal point you're making in this convo have NOTHING to do with the fact that I said I want equality for both women and men. You're literally just stating facts about divorce and shit that have absolutely no value to this conversation. So honestly, I really couldn't care less lmao. And divorce is hard for both parties, not only a man, if there is a man involved at all in that case. So stop blaming women for all your problems cuz it's gonna get you nowhere sincd the reason we act like this, is due to each person't set of values and not based on the reason we are women. And as per usual you go ahead and blame women for all your issues, typical mysocgynistic and sexist man (not that all men are like that). But you're simply falling into the category of only believing that your way is best and any woman, or man for that matter, that goes against you is wrong because this patriarchal society has taught you that men can do as they please and you're the kings of the world. However, you are not. Therefore, I am done with this irrelevant, disgusting, and sexist conversation that is bringing nothing to my life and furthering my hatred for this partriarchal society's ways and values. Equality for the win.
@KrakenAttackin I never said that didn't happen. I aid the percentage that he gave was inaccurate. I also wonder if that can always be done to a man who is not the biologic father. If that is how the law is written or it happens because some judges are that dense. I am not a German. I would have blonde hair if I was. I am Portuguese. The world is not only made out of the US. When I speak if men and their rights I am not just refering to one country.
@ThisIsMyOpinion You make specific statements and judgements that are not true about the marriage, divorce, system in the U. S. So when you make definitive "that's not true" statements, I am telling you these things ARE true in the U. S.
@KrakenAttackin I really doubt that the entire court system is that bias agaisnt you. But I can look it up...
@ThisIsMyOpinion In order to clear up your doubts about the court system, why don't you watch the video I posted here? All it takes it one simple accusation from a female against a male and the male is gone. And despite all the false accusations against males even with it openly being encouraged even though men have spent the majority of their lives behind prison walls due to false accusations, false accusations aren't punished. You need to move to the US of American and get the experience to you'll know the truth.
@ThisAndThat I look it up and I can't find a single serious source that doesn't tell me that from all the rape allegations less than 1% end in jail time and only about 5% will even get to be arested.
@DesconhecidaI would say a lot of things would change. The erosion of men's civil rights. Men being rounded up for crimes against the matriarchy. What do we have now? Women given special rights denied to men. Men accused of raping women are convicted even before the trial has begun meanwhile women who rape men are acquitted even before the trial has begun. " men would be slaughtered"There is no debate about that.
That's not happening to men only, you know. The minority are taking advantage of the PC movement everywhere.About the question, I dont feel so strongly about this. to be honest nothing would change. Women already rule the world in a subtle way LOL
@joeblow123 who are all these women accusing men of false rape? Do you actually know anyone or are you just listening to trolls on websites? When I was raped, the cops didn't even bother investigating. They told me I was "over 18," and let the guy go, despite the fact he had a video of the rape incident... oh, but I'm privalleged, right?
@DesconhecidaYes. It's called "emotional manipulation". We are quite aware of it.
@Rebeccalions Did you file a false police report or have you done so in the past? Have you had run-ins with this police agency in the past? The goalposts concerning rape move so often I have to ask which definition we are using: Rape: what is it? ↗What is his side of the story?
@joeblow123 no I didn't file a false police report. Wtf. Are you saying I'm lying?There are way more women who get raped than women falsifying reports
@RebeccalionsOMG! I'm so sorry this happened to you! Dont listen to the crazy dude.
@Desconhecida thank you hun. They are too ignorant to know the psychological effects that has on someone
Ha! OK, thumbs up for being hilarious (and accurate)!
@Rebeccalions The problem is there a lot of female false accusers that have destroyed the lives of innocent men by the lies they've spread. A lot of men have been murdered because of these liars. To knowingly file a false police report is a crime but female false accusers are never held accountable nor is their identity revealed unless they choose to reveal it. The falsely accused man is not afforded anonymity and he will have this accusation follow him for the rest of his life.
@joeblow123 I understand that. I think these women should serve the same repercussions as a rapist, because they are causing similar psychological damage by ruining an innocent life.
@Desconhecida Well said.
@Rebeccalions Probably because the cops thought your story was bullshit.
@KrakenAttackin Wow! So the cops asked about the video and the guy admitted to it (then lied and said he deleted it), obviously it wasn't bullshit, and they still didn't go after him.
@Rebeccalions OK, cops write a report which goes to the Prosecutor. The prosecutor looks at the evidence and report and decides whether or not to pursue charges. Whenever there is any question the cops often do not make an arrest (especially with such a serious charge and so many false allegations) and instead defer to the Prosecutors office. Your beef is with the Prosecutor not the cops.
@KrakenAttackin a little naive are we? You assume everyone obeys protocol. These cops didn't even write a report. It's a small town, backwards morals, they didn't give a shit.
@Rebeccalions In full agreement. It is these female false accusers who make it an uphill battle for those who were really hurt.
@Rebeccalions Or they determined you were full of shit.
@KrakenAttackin you're an idiot. I hope a man rapes the shit out of you and the cops laugh
@Rebeccalions Let me guess, you were drunk, fucked a drunk guy, woke up the next day and felt guilty, so you tried to file charges. If your complaint had ANY validity, the cops would have taken it seriously. Your lack of credibility means no one will take you seriously.
@KrakenAttackin Do you really think that no women actually gets raped? Do you assume right away that they are lying? False rape accusations are incredibly rare.
@joeblow123 Women would absolutely lose their minds without men to calm them down and tell them what to do. I'm sorry, but women were not put on this earth to "command" and most honest women will admit to that. Just ask any women who has had to work for another woman.
@KrakenAttackin no asshole, i already told you why the cops didn't take me seriously, because they were misogynists like you and automatically took the side of the man, even though he had the evidence to prove he sexually assaulted me. What world do you live in where you think men are automatically put in handcuffs when a woman accuses them of rape? Seriously go out and learn shit about the real world. I'm beginning to think you are a closet rapist who is pissed because the laws isn't in his favor
@KrakenAttackin women would lose their minds if men didn't calm them down LOL. Then how come men get into fist fights way more often than women? Sounds like you need women to calm you!
@Rebeccalions You need a man to calm you down right now.
@Rebeccalions "What world do you live in where you think men are automatically put in handcuffs when a woman accuses them of rape?"The real world because that happened to Brian Banks, The Duke lacrosse players and numerous other men.
@Rebeccalions "There are way more women who get raped than women falsifying reports"I would say it is the other way around.
@ThisIsMyOpinion "False rape accusations are incredibly rare."May be in Portugal but not the United States. In the United States it is this:The false accusation rate for rape is 60%. The reasons given for this false accusation rate: spite, revenge, even boredom. These are the cases where the accuser deliberately lied. This is from a U. S. Air Force study by Dr. Charles McDowwell. From the book The Myth Of Male Power by Warren Farrell.
@joeblow123 That is false. Put "false rape allegations stats USA" on google and every page that will appear will indicate around 2%-10% of rape claims to be fake in the US. Anobg them this study web.archive.org/.../False-Allegations.pdf It's right on the Abstract.
@joeblow123 you are getting your false rape accusation percentage from a man who is a make rights activist. That's completely biased. Some of his followers have sent rape and death threats to female activists. Good group. @ThisIsMyOpinion at least uses more credible stats. Of course there will be false rape accusations, but you take a few examples and blow it up as if every woman is an accuser. There are also rapists who don't get charged and men who get away with murdering their wives (OJ). None of those scenerios are okay.
@KrakenAttackin come lick my pussy then
@ThisIsMyOpinion What you posted is left-wing feminist propaganda. What I posted was an objective study conducted by the United States Air Force. That is the difference. Feminists have lied when it comes to statistics in the past so why should they not spread lies now.
@joeblow123 I have checked other sources than the one @ThisIsMyOpinion has provided, and they are all pretty consistent. The number doesn't exceed 10%.Furthermore, according to this BBC article I found:"Moreover, official figures suggest the number of rapes and sexual assaults which are never reported or prosecuted far outweighs the number of men convicted of rape because of fake accusations. Indeed it far outweighs the number of fake accusations, period. Figures from the US Bureau of Justice Statistics suggest only 35% of all sexual assaults are even reported to the police."BBC. com/news/world-us-canada-45565684
@Rebeccalions I'm afraid how much random residual cum would be on it.
@Rebeccalions You quote the BBC out of Canada? I can't think of a more left-wing media outlet.
@joeblow123 I read news about false tape reports. I know what it can do to men. I am sure @Rebeccalions doesn't wish it's effects to anyone. But you need to understand that the sources that you give are not very credible. And I am not saying it because they go against what I think it's true. For example that site you shared with me of a study about false tape allegations from a Dr. Whatsisname, looked like a page ripped of a diary of a mental asylum patient. That is not viable information. And there is this thing I really want you to answer me... Why do you want to believe that men are the victims that often? We are telling you and proving to you that men are not victims of false tape allegations that much. That is a good thing! Means only a very tiny percentage of men is victim of that! Why do you want to make men look like victims? Or you actually want to make women look like monsters? Is that why you push this so much?
@KrakenAttackin it doesn't matter if the BBC is right or left, it is a credible source unlike the stuff you guys have posted.
@Rebeccalions No, no the BBC is not a credible source. They are biased to the core.
Wow, this became a forum! 😂🤣
Tell me about it 😂
Don't give gag any ideas :)
@joeblow123 How women really do when men withdraw assistance. If the "future is female", women would have to enslave men to get anything accomplished.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ZFDQiP4jM
@JjpayneThey wouldn't care anyway. Unless they were bad. LOL
@KrakenAttackin so the men demand sex to start a fire for the women? Sounds like great guys
@Rebeccalions Sure why not? What else do the women have to offer? You want equality, you got it.
@KrakenAttackin so you are saying the only thing a woman has to offer is sex?
@Rebeccalions For the most part, yes. What do you think you have to offer that is so special?
@KrakenAttackin obviously I'm more intelligent than you, so there's one thing. What do YOU have to offer?
@Rebeccalions Well, I have a dazzling wit, a huge cock, and I know how to keep a broad like you in line.
@KrakenAttackin so, you're only good for sex?
@KrakenAttackin she just outwitted you so bad!
@Rebeccalions Sex, conversation, and keeping hoes in line. Two more skills than you have.
@KrakenAttackin and how do you keep these hoes in line?
@Rebeccalions "Pimp Slap".
@KrakenAttackin Good way to make those said hoes leave you.
@KrakenAttackin you should consider a career as an escort. Try the website cowboys 4 angels. Maybe you won't hate women so much once they are paying you.
That is exactly what it means. People are interpreting it incorrectly.
@Junen No. There not.
@joeblow123 "No. There not. "Wow, what a convincing argument lol
And here we have someone who fails to check on her privilege. It's not considered equality to be one sided.
@Aiko_E_Lara what's my privilege? Please tell me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ucR-1NodAs&t=53s We just have the same thing to say. Here you go.
@RebeccalionsHow much more do you need before you can claim gender supremacy? How much more are going to steal from us?
@RebeccalionsYou got it: mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/.../...privilege.html
@joeblow123 lol! This is the biggest crock of shit I've seen in my life! I can compose a men's privallege list and it will be far longer... plus those things on your list are so inaccurate. I have been assaulted by a man. I have been unemployed. I have female friends who committed suicide. I have been injured at work... so how about men? Less likely to be raped is one of them! Plus you have absolutely no resources to prove anything on this list is accurate
@Aiko_E_Lara lol! One of our privalleges is it's easier to rape a man? Lmao! Seriously, who writes this shit?
Their rights? You mean genital mutilation? Oh wait, it's illegal to mutilate women.Voting rights... nah you got that for free. Equal pay? Yea that has been given to you aswell.Hm. What rights are you referring to?
And do you really think you're accurate yourself? Those statistics and data are published for a reason. Here's another thing you need to know en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect Which is why it's easier for women to rape men also because society is in denial when that happens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4hrHUo70nY&t=247s I mean of course they're crock of shit according to you because you just don't like actual data. If you're unemployed, it's really easy for you to pull that gender victim card. Talk about your "friends" when we can talk about the average. Not just our friends because they don't represent the average. nhchc.org/.../June2001HealingHands.pdf Note that the poverty rate is different from homelessness and I'm well aware there are more women in poverty also because majority of women don't work and they have their husbands making the income supporting them. Do I have to mention what happens during a divorce? The husband lose 1/3 of his income going to his wife.
And rape you say? You still believe we're living in a rape culture? Sure you're just gonna ignore the fact that there are strict rape laws that even a guy can lose everything or even sued after getting falsely accused. The rape statistics you're talking about? Lets see, if a guy gets raped, who would even care? "It's just a play thing girls do" what society would say. He'd be a pervert if he do self defense and if she screamed rape even though she's the one doing it and be put in the male statistics rape. But after all, your rape statistics are those rapists who get caught or addressed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRyruagRub0&t=113s and with that thing going on, there could be as much women who rapes or if not more.
" I can compose a men's privallege list and it will be far longer." <-- Is that suppose to be a bluff? Because really it's not working. Because I can also say I can debunk what you're even gonna try to compose. Now tell me this are "inaccurate" www.kff.org/.../ en.wikipedia.org/.../Gender_differences_in_suicide
@grega239 actually we got voting rights because we had to fight for it. It wasn't handed to us.And yes, the pay scale isn't equal. Maybe it is where you work at McDonald's
@Aiko_E_Lara lol you guys sound so angry and ignorant. Are you now gonna tell me more men get raped than women? LmaoSeriously, go out in the real world. Try to get laid or something while you're at it, then you might not hate women as much
@joeblow123 if you hate the laws so much, move to Iraq where women have no rights, then you could be king
Are you sure it wasn't technology and the development of society and our government system? Of course it has to be feminism in your notion and let's not forget that voting wasn't easy before that people have to line up because there are no online services that time and you sure don't wanna blame the matriarchy for it that they just don't bother. Also men have to vote just to benefit the family even if they don't want to. Are you just going to ignore the fact that there are actually female workers back then also because they are mostly single women and nobody force them to look a husband to support them. Now for that wage gap, if that's actually true, companies would only hire women to save money. But really you're just ignoring the law saying it's illegal to pay someone less just because of their gender or race.
Which is ironic because when people start assuming things like assuming where "angry" it turns out they're the ones who are. It's more like you're angry because you don't like the statistics for data we gave you. And didn't you asked for it yourself and now you don't like it?
Calling me out as being angry here coming from someone who is jumping to conclusions so soon lol. In other words you're saying "I'm salty because I think you hate women" yeah that's right trying to dismiss arguments by calling anyone sexists who disagree with you. That didn't work so don't expect it going to work again.
Men also fought for their voting rights. Except men had to fight wars to get them and are still required to do so.Women just waved some signs and made some noise and got the vote. Not to mention women are still not required to give military service in times of war. Therefore , you got the voting right for free.Women aren't payed less, they earn less because they work less. Men work longer hours, and work well paying and dangerous jobs.
No I work in a warehouse as a forklift operator. The only women working here are up in those nice air conditioned offices.
Also as a CEO, I would only hire women leaving men unemployed if we're suppose to give them less. That wouldn't be a smart plan but again it's illegal. You just forgot something, men with power doesn't benefit the average men.
@grega239 What wars are you still fighting today? Also men had the right to vote since democracy was a thing. We fought wars yes, but sure as hell weren't for the right to vote.Women did what? Some noise? Do you really think that all that took for them to vote was some noise? Against an entire world that didn't wanted them to?I agree that the wage gap is bullshit. Also yes men work longer hours and much more dangerous jobs. But what exactly was your point with that? No one fores us to aplly to those jobs, we chose to. They are not to blame for that.
@Aiko_E_Lara lol!! You're little charts and videos are complete bullshit that's why. You wanna know why women don't have more work injuries? Because they tend not to work heavy labor jobs. Are men forced to work those jobs? Nope, they chose to.And yes, there is a wage gap. Especially in the entertainment and finance fields. And women work just as long hours. They work in law, entertainment, finance, science, list goes onLet me guess... you're bitter because you are either too dumb, smoke a ton of pot or decided not to go to college, so now you work a labor job and you blame women. Or do you not work at all? LolI have to admit, this argument is fun. I like to see you rewrite history and say things like men had to fight a war to get the right to vote, there were more single women in the early 1900s, and my favorite... voting was hard because you had to stand in lines hahahaha
@ThisIsMyOpinionDefense of the country is men's responsibility by law. Just this year our government wanted to re introduce mandatory military service for men only. Why not women too?Democracy began in ancient Greece. Are you going to tell me Roman emperors were elected? Or medieval Kings? Or tribal chieftains. Men's right to vote was slowly introduced in the last 200 years because they had to fight wars.Voting rights and military service go hand in hand.Why do you think a lot of women were against women's voting right? The point was that they always bitch about being paid less. If they want more money they should go drill oil.
So I had a quick look.In great Britain men's voting rights were established in 1918 and women 10 years later. There more details , but this is the shirt version.In my country for example. Men and women both had voting rights since 1991 when the country was created (apparently even before that , but Yugoslavia broke up) but only men were drafted when they turned 18.So it isn't "since democracy was a thing"
And how about you do you think your claims aren't bullshit? Please you're not better than those who are published here. Yeah sure woman have less injuries because they work less also because they let their husbands work more. Or they may not be forcing their husbands to work in dangerous industries but what choice do they make to make bigger income to support the family when you women choose to work a safe but low paying job? Just like that really it's easy for you to blame the patraichy but it's not really easy for you to blame the matriarchy for also your faults for making less income. The law, entertainment, finance or whatever safe environment doesn't make more than a life risky job. You just really prove my point about single women that single women have more choices than those who are married. And also which is the reason why majority of women choose not to vote.
Instead of calling anyone bullshit, have you even presented anything yourself? Nope because? Yeah i get it you're full of propagandas
@RebeccalionsI'm glad you included "LOL" in your post because after I read it I LMFAO.
@Rebeccalions"One of our privalleges is it's easier to rape a man? Lmao! Seriously, who writes this shit?"I guess I have an answer for everything: mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/.../...-rape-men.html
@grega239 They're aiming for supremacy.
@Rebeccalions"I have been assaulted by a man."What did you do to piss him off?
@RebeccalionsWomen gained the vote through terrorism: mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/.../...istory-of.html
@joeblow123 oh so if a man hits me, it's my fault too? You know what I did to piss him off? I went out jogging when he robbed and beat me, I guess jogging offends men... wow, your mind is fucked!!"Women chose safer, low paying jobs." Lol! Actually the safe jobs have very high income, like CEOs. And in these positions, women have to fight to get equal pay as a man doing the same job. I can get you tons of resources.Men have the opportunity to work in both safe and labor jobs. Because women lack physical strength compared to men, they are more limited to "safe" jobs.So if you want to make more money than women, go work a "safe" job. Don't blame women for your short comings when you have more opportunities than them
@Rebeccalions He should have been more specific.That saying is what men get when they talk to others about the crime of being abused by a woman. That’s what I grew up thinking, that a woman is never wrong and any action she takes for any reason is justifiable. So if your mother decides to beat the shit out of you because you failed to get to your homework done by dinner she has every right to because she is a woman. The dangerous jobs pay really well starting out but can never reach CEO level of pay so I don’t think that is the cause of the disparity. I think it is because women tend to pick the more people oriented jobs while men tend to pick the object oriented jobs and those pay more on average. It is also worth noting that women tend to not spend as much time at work as men for a variety of reasons. I work at a warehouse and we have female workers there out on the floor. Women are capable of doing those jobs but many just choose not to. No one is preventing you from going to the gym and gaining more upper body strength.
@Snakeyes7 yes, women don't usually take labor intensive jobs, but Aiko is trying to blame lower work injuries on sexism. If the amount of women working in labor intensive jobs matched men, then injuries would be equal, or maybe women would have more injuries... would they blame this on sexism? No. And it's not okay for a woman to beat their child. They have the same penalty as a guy.
Then you didn't read what I said. I talked about women not working life risky jobs as much as you even agreed yourself so there you have it which debunked your wage gap agenda and has nothing to do with discrimination. "They have the same penalty as a guy." <-- www.quora.com/Why-do-women-get-lighter-sentences-than-men-for-the-same-crimes www.huffpost.com/.../men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742 http://www.russellwebster.com/appgwomen18/ So why do you always claim things without any back ups?
I have never heard the “men sustain more work injuries than women” as a way to blame sexism but as an argument against the notion of male privilege. I have only skimmed his comments and I didn’t see where he specifically blamed that on sexism, it could be in the links but that is a really weird argument to make. Considering we have cases of feminists calling air conditioning sexist, I think someone would blame a work injury like that sexism. I don't know about child abuse specifically but as for women having sex with an underage boy is definitely accepted. Look at Hermesmann v. Seyer for example. There is also a study from the University of Michigan conducted by Sonja Starr that says that for the same crime women get 63% lighter sentences on average.
Oh and I don’t support violence, rape or anything of the sort against anyone man or woman.
@grega239 Because the army's performance reduces when women serve in it. That is a proven and tested fact.Those were very reduced versions of democracy since only a small portion of people had anything to say about who was in power. And everyone who had a saying on the matter was... yes men.At the time women finally had the right to vote, voting was not about anything besides you having a dick regardless of your status or military service. I really don't think the guy working the drill is making good money. The guys that owns the drilling company is making the money. So they actually don't have to do dangerous jobs to make money. I am a civil engineer and I make much more than my workers who actually do the dangerous job.
@joeblow123 you really need to stop getting your information out of random blogs online.
@Aiko_E_Lara so, you're saying that because women get lighter sentences in prison, you're gonna riot? You know how many women make up the prison population? 10 percent. So, if 90 percent of prisoners are men, it shows that men commit more crimes than women. Also, the amount of men who are sexually harrassed is extremely small. When I managed a project, men who worked under me asked me to sexually harrass them lol. The reason people didn't say anything in that video is because they have never seen men harrassed by women before, but they've seen plenty of women harrassed by men. Also, when the man is harassing the woman, he isn't touching her, so it's easy for people to shout out to him. But, when the woman is harrasing the man, she is physically touching him and no one wants to get involved in a fight. It's a biased video and would be thrown out in a professional setting.Why don't we talk about proven studies instead? When I was in grad school, we read one study where a woman in an all-male work force is less likely to be promoted than the men. Whereas, a man working in a primary female field, like nursing, is promoted faster than the womenYou cite no proof that women make more than men. But there is also a ton of research on wage gaps favoring men...cnbc. com/2019/04/02/heres-how-much-men-and-women-earn-at-every-age. html
I already talked about the women are wonderful effect you are in denial of and yes i am saying that women gets lighter sentences in prison. I am not going to right because it is already there presented and there is already data for it unlike you who just want to say things. You claim it is extremely small because you only hear a few of them. You also ignore the experiment i backed up that society care less if men are the victim. You also ignored what i said about laws for rape which exists and even if a man get accused of rape his reputation and life gets ruined forever. "why don't we talk about proven studies?" Yeah sure why don't we talk about it instead of being in denial of the empirical data i backed up?
https://youtu.be/13XU4fMlN3whttps://youtu.be/cKWluJxW4EsSo why don't you talk about proven studies? Do you think you yourself is enough to be considered as study when you haven't even posted anything yourself all you do is saying things well yeah you can show us individuals but that doesn't mean average because i'm talking about average.
@Aiko_E_Lara your first video does nothing to help your argument. First of all, it does address that there is a wage Gap. Even in the pharmacist industry, which they claim is most equal, women still don't make as much as men. 92%, but not as much as men.Also, it only addresses women who have children. It does not address single woman. So if they were using single women and single men, I'm sure they would still have wage gaps, but with no excuse (children).Remember the Sony hacks that revealed men are paid more than women? Google it.And here's an article on wage inequality in the entertainment industry. You will also see that women only make up 2 percent of directors. And when they do direct, they put women in less sexualized roles.So, not only is the pay Gap large, women who work behind the scenes make up only a 2-5 percent workforce. This is due to sexual discrimination, and you can't tell me different because I've worked in Hollywood.
@ThisIsMyOpinion No. It stated it was given to all men regardless of status and women over 30.The guy working the drill makes more than a women in retail or a nurse.
It's quite hypocritical for you to say the video of have nothing to do to help my argument when you yourself have nothing to present yourself. All of the claims are just coming from you. You know i could also say you yourself does nothing to do to help your argument because just saying so doesn't automatically make your truthful. Before you say nobody agrees with me, you can check the view counts and like and dislike ratio. I am not going with a video because of people liking it but i'm going it because they have been going to different sources which debunk your agenda. So if you're saying my the videos are presented or the articles the video presented are fake, give me a good reason to believe you and your experiences.
@grega239 No women could vote before it was legalized for them. And by that time all men could already vote for some time now. This is not saying that mne are evil for women's lack of rights in the past. We helped them in their fight to get equal rights. Yes, but we are talking about what they should work as to gain money. Doctors, engineers, insurances, etc. Dangerous jobs don't equal well paid jobs. The nurses know that very well.
@grega239 the video states "women don't put in the time (because they have children) and that's why they don't make as much money." This def singles out the singles crowd
@Aiko_E_Lara I've already analyzed your video and told you what was wrong with the data. I will gladly post my own data, like I have already through my links on wage gaps and the Sony leak... I don't have enough points on here to post videos, but if you tell me what to prove, I can find the data
I've also already told you what's wrong with how you analyze the data. What really all you did was just call them BS. If you wonder why my video don't make any sense it's because you haven't posted anything for my claims to debunk. You always say you can find the data but really but really I say i already debunked your data
Also it is your commitment to have a children. You know there no simple solution for that you can just be single and not have any kids if you're not committed to it.
@Aiko_E_Lara I already wrote in posts what was wrong with your data. Scroll up and read it. And wtf? It's my commitment to have children? Am I in Nazi Germany? I don't have to have kids if I motherfucking don't want kids.
You misread what i said i said if you are committed to have kids then you shouldn't complain about having less money because you have to take care of the kids you have the choice not to. The post of your fiscal ready predictable it was already did bank before you posted it so you can scroll up again and watch the video again.
*The post you presented. You're still ignoring the law saying it's illegal to pay someone less just because of their gender. Though it is not illegal to pay someone less for the same job unless there is a reason such as you get less because you works less, you may have the same job but different duties and responsibilities, it is probably a commission based job which you still fail to see
@Aiko_E_Lara right, but this study that you presented fails to equalize all controls. They are comparing men with women who have kids, when they should be comparing men with women who do not have children
@ThisIsMyOpinion actually they could vote. Military wives for example were allowed to vote in their husbands name.Yes , they want clean jobs that give them status. I always hear feminists talking about equal representation in political offices and STEM Fields but never in construction, sewege cleaning.@RebeccalionsApparently single women in their 20s make more than single men in their 20s. Which makes sense considering women have affirmative action programs and gender quotas that give them an advantage.
Actually they are comparing the average men and the average women and the average women have kids in it cannot be ignored. When the statistics say men in average earns more but of course they're going to be exceptions. A single girl who doesn't have kids can earn more then an average man but that single girl is not equal to the average women.
@grega239 do you have evidence about women in their 20s making more than men in their 20s?
@Aiko_E_Lara a single woman still doesn't earn as much as a single man. According to Wikipedia... en. m. wikipedia. org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap_in_the_United_States#Maternity_leave
Debunked. And that wikipedia of yours is talking about the average women not individuals. I gave possibilities why someone earns less in the same job and it doesn't even matter what gender it is as it is against the law to pay someone less via discriminatory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Pay_Act_of_1963 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts2k4kjQzhchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKWluJxW4Es
@Rebeccalions at hand, no. I heard it said several hundred times by people who research these things for a living.Even if it's not true."A single woman still doesn't earn as much as a single man"Emphasis on EARN. If you want to EARN as much as men, you have to work as much as men.Just because you have the same job , doesn't mean you'll get the same pay, if you don't put in the hours. Maybe instead of going out on weekends, go to work or continue your education and become a CEO where you'll work 80 hour weeks. Maybe then there won't be any differences.
And how's this for a pay gap. I fee years back I worked at the post office with a few women and I started at mail sorting. we were all payed 4€ per hour.A month later I was tasked with preparing the works station these women worked at, then I had to go down to help load packages into vans, then bring cca. 15 containers up so they could load that mail on them.I was given increasingly more and more work to do , while being paid the same as those women , were still only sorting mail.How's that for a fucking pay gap.
@grega239 I don't have to go back to school, I have a fucking master's degree. I have worked hard on my degree. Do you have a master's? Doubtful. But, thanks for stereotyping my gender by saying we are uneducated fools who party all the time.And maybe I didn't word my opinion correctly. I meant women don't make the same as men in the same position working just as hard. Labor intense jobs like yours may be different. But, for position in non labor jobs, we are still making less than men for the same amount of work.I already posted an article on the entertainment industry. I can find more if you want.
@ThisIsMyOpinion There is nothing wrong with gathering facts from other sources.
@Rebeccalions I'm not stereotyping, that is what I observed. And even if they weren't partying, they always had an exuse to never work weekends. No I don't have a master's because I'm not a school type and I enjoy doing that kind of work.And as far as the entertainment industry goes. I don't care if women get paid less because they still get paid millions. I have absolutely no sympathy for whining rich people if they get paid less, because they still make more than the majority.And here's another thing about the wage gap.Women as a group make less than men as a group because women get pregnant, take part time or become a stay at home mom.On paper , this looks like women make less, which is an incorrect reading of statisticsAnd equal pay laws don't apply to women as a group.It applies to women as individuals. This is a difference you people seem to not recognize or flat out ignore, because you think of men and women as groups rather than individuals.Most if not all laws only apply to individuals not groups.
@grega239 In their husbands name yes. If they didn't had a huband they couldn't.I agree that "we need more women or men on this or that field" is stupid. We need competent people doing jobs, men or women. Their idea is to incentive women to make more money for themselves. That is also a good thing for since they can buy their own stuff now and don't depend on us.
@ThisIsMyOpinion and when they get pregnant? Who will they depend on then?
@grega239 most of them will have a partner that will be by their side to help them. If they are alone they can, with more effort sure, but they can take care of themselves. I have seen pregnant in the gym, they can move on their own. And maternety leave makes sure they still have money coming in. It's not a bad thing that women don't need our money anymore. They still need us as people and partners like they always had and always will.
Don't need our money? WTF is alimony and child support then? Ever heard of walfare
@grega239 That is for the child, not for them. If a women is the one with the custody, she is still the one that spends more with the child. The father is just giving his part. If you ask me a father that refuses to help on his child expenses is not much of a father.
Yea technically it's supposed to go to the kid. Call me a pessimist, but I don't believe thatWhat about welfare. Why is my tax money spent to support single mothers?
@grega239 women pay out child support and alimony too. My cousin pays her ex boyfriend child support.We already spoke about the gender pay Gap and even when they compared only women with no children with men, woman still made less.You might not care about the entertainment industry, but there are so many talented women who can't work behind the scenes because it's still an "old boys club." Only 2% of directors are women.This means almost all movies are given to us from a male perspective.
@Rebeccalions ahh yes the " women do it too" line. It's still majority men.If your gonna complain about men being the majority of CEOs, you should also complain about other things men are the majority in...Ok let's say they do make less. If they can prove that them making less is breaking the law, they can report it. If the law is not being broken , they will have to work more to make the same. And again this law applies to individuals not groups.Did it ever cross your mind that it's only 2% females directors because only 2%were good enough to become directors? Or is your only answer to this difference , discrimination and " it's a boys club" . Because suicide is also " a boys club" .
@grega239 If the wife as the custody then she will still put up more money time and effort in raising that child than the father. Trust me she will need to use that moeny with the kid.It also goes to singles fathers, to debilitated people that can't work and for war veterans.
@grega239 and it's a majority of men, rather than woman, who leave their partner when she's pregnant, then complain about having to pay child support.You seem to be very naive about the law. Just because it's against the law doesn't mean it can't happen. I knew a woman who worked as the head of marketing in a studio. They fired her because she was aging and hired a male instead. They blamed her by saying sales were low. She got an attorney and looked over the records. Her sales were not low, they were high. She won.Spoiler alert: this is where your theory of women underperforming men gets debunked. Has it ever occured to you that employers lie and say the woman is underperforming to get rid of her? She was wealthy and therefore able to hire an attorney, but most people can't. Go work in Hollywood then tell me only 2 percent of women are talented. You will learn fact that women are highly discriminated against in that industry and men objectify them and only want to give them a chance if they sleep with them. Everyone knows this, it's nothing newAnd about suicide. Suicide doesn't discrimination by sex. More women actually attempt suicide than men. They don't succeed as much because they are typically afraid to use firearms and use less lethal methods.
What you've been doing is give individual news which is easier to cover. Specially if the victim is female. I know there are women getting discriminated but hasty generalization which is a fallacy doesn't make you more valid. That "just because" line can also be used as "just because we're male it doesn't mean we get paid more for working as hard" When you try to bring something up, you're talking about individuals like that lady who got fired for aging. It's not that women underperform but it's men who overperform. Talking about alimony, yeah you pay to raise the child if you're left by your husband but also you can have 1/3 of your husband's income through a silly divorce reason also he can still be sued if he can't pay for the child. Again making a child is a commitment and it's not women's effort but also men's too. I also wanna talk about men getting sued for child support for children that isn't even his. A woman can just claim he's the father and he has 30 days to prove he isn't. Now that's "equality"
Another thing I could also say with the "just because" like is just because that happens that doesn't mean that's an everyday thing women experience because that can happen to men too.
@Aiko_E_Lara at least I can give examples, you can't. If you Google reasons why there aren't female directors, you will find articles about industry men disrespecting women, even if she is his superior and other pack mentality created by men. You find find any articles saying women aren't talented enough. With that logic, you would also say blacks have no talent either which is why there are so few in the industry.It's easy to prove a kid isn't yours. It's called a dna test.
So? I can also say I gave actual statistics but you can't. I also gave reasons behind the statistics and empirical data of studies about society but you didn't. I can also explain women's issues are more likely to get addressed unlike men's issues so it's easy for people to just go with the addressed issues women face. Also for the DNA test which guys have to pay for just to prove it. Also with your logic, not all DNA tests even if it's proven are approved. "Just because" there's DNA test it doesn't mean all are confirmed.
@Aiko_E_Lara you have me bullshit statistics with no evidence behind them. Also, the reasons you have for make oppression like "more work injuries" are debunked as we know men prefer to work heavy labor jobs over women. I can give you plenty of make advantages, physical strength being a major one. Men are less likely to get raped, assaulted and robbed. Those are MUCH bigger threats than workplace injuries. If DNA tests are bunk, then men have nothing to worry about because the DNA won't match them
Just because you think it's bullshit, it's not gonna change anything. "more work injuries" is by choice you say? When it's also by choice women don't take the high paying jobs generally. Now don't give me that "because men don't allow them" line when I can also say not all of the man working in work risky jobs are their choices. When they want income to support the family, they had no other choice but take the risk and work in a double paying industry since a lot of women chose to become housewives. nypost.com/.../ www.today.com/.../deep-down-do-women-want-be-housewives-wbna12379603 And men working in work risky job being oppression isn't the only one Im talking about. "I can give you plenty of make advantages, physical strength being a major one" <-- Which you always say then I'm gonna predict theyre bullshit like how you're in denial about the statistics.
men having a higher risk of work related injury is not even the only one im talking about. Perhaps you were so busy denying the list we gave you.
"Because DNA won't match them" because the DNA will match them which is what makes it bunk. But even if it doesn't matchI remember your line "Just because there are laws doesn't mean it don't happen" Yeah just because it doesn't match doesn't mean men get away with it either.
@Aiko_E_Lara Yes, men do have a choice not to work hard labor jobs that cause work injuries. they don't experience sexism in jobs, so they can do whatever they want. Even when they enter a primary female industry, they are promoted faster and make more money healthcarefinancenews. com/news/male-nurses-earn-6000-more-women-annually-new-survey-showsWhereas, females in primarily male industries experience sexism and disrespect. I can't post URLs because I'm not at a high enough level. You can google this article from the Atlanitc on lawyers: /magazine/archive/2018/09/female-lawyers-sexism-courtroom/565778/or this one from forbes: how does sexism influence the workplace today? My articles are at least from reputable sources like Forbes, not just angry men mouthing off.
Then that would also mean women have the choice to work in a life risky job that earns more. If they don't experience sexism in jobs then neither do women in general. Does not an everyday thing women experience but the only thing yes because a few times it happens people like you make hasty generalisations. Be glad whenever sexism happens to your gender it gets addressed immediately. Is just like the double standards rephrase that whenever we give fact it's always angry male whining but you feminists are being truthful for whatever double standard reason you wanna give. But after all the end up being a circular reasoning.
Also been working in a life risky job isn't the only thing talk about here but the fact is men are also more likely be homecide victims in general. en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Homicide_statistics_by_gender
@Rebeccalions and why do they leave a pregnant partner? Did she maybe try and baby trap them? If it's breaking the law, you report it.Yes they do that to lots of people not just women. Fire them before retirement because of money. I didn't say women were underperforming. I said men earn more because they work more. Men don't have to go on pregnancy leave, they take less vacation, less sick leave. All of this makes it appear as if women are paid less on paper. You're also ignoring bonuses for work experience, over time etc.You can't just ignore all of these factors and say that women get paid less because" muh oppression" Again , why the fuck would I care about Hollywood. The fact that women attempt it more is irrelevant to the point.Not to mention if men commit more suicide, how the fuck do women have it harder then? What, are men killing themselves if they dominate society. Are you gonna say they do it just so they're dominant in that area aswell.You'd think women would be at the top of suicide statistics if they actually had it so hard.So, women are either so incompetent , you can't even kill yourself right.Or you don't actually have it that hard. So which is it?
https://youtu.be/eieVE-xFXuoHere this should explain certain things
@Aiko_E_Lara then you should blame men for homicide rates, not women, because most people that commit murder are male
@grega239 I already disproved your wage Gap bullshit with my references. Yet, you keep going around in circles bc you are out of ammo. And actually, more women attempt suicide than men, they don't succeed as much as men because they typically don't use firearms, so when they attempt suicide, they take pills or less lethal methods. So actually, they do have it worse than men since more of them want to die You bitch that if you are a man, you are probe to suicide? LMAO do you know the percentage of people who even commit suicide? It's very low
@Rebeccalions no you haven't. All you said was that women make less because men hate them.And I already explained why there's a difference in pay. Because feminists looked at the statistics between men and women as groups.Well guess what women as a group do. They leave work when they get pregnant. They don't go back to work after the pregnancy because they either want to be with their kids or their husbands make enough so they don't have to.They work jobs that are safe and don't have risk bonuses. They work fewer hours, take more time off.But your only argument on this is " men hate women"Last I heard , men commit suicide 3x more than women. So that's a huge difference.
And yes , men do have it harder.Majority suicides-menMajority homeless - menWork place deaths - menThe hardest jobs are done by men.Only women get affirmative action programsOnly women have gender quotas.Men's shelters are almost non existent.
@grega239 I never said bc men hate women, don't twist my words.The video on the wage Gap that was presented by your supporter on here compares women with children with men. When childless women are compared with men, they still make less. If you want to support your argument, you will need more credible data. You will also need to compare pay in different fields. Because if most women are working in fast food and only one percent work in law, then of course it'll look like equal pay because both genders in fast food make the same amount. I have my MBA, I'm pretty sure I know when a study is incredible. You should pick up a GMAT book and it'll show you how to distinguish credible with faulty data, then you would have a better argument.I already told you that much more women attempt suicide than men. And suicide is grasping at straws compared to the rate of women that are abused by men Vs. the rate of men abused by women.Male privalleges:Far least likely to experience domestic abuse Far least likely to experience sexually assault Much more women are raped or beaten than men are to die by suicideCheck your privallege
@Rebeccalions you implied it.They make less probably because they work fewer hours. maybe men get a bonus for doing it better.Yes they attempt and fail. And then they can contact one of many women's shelters for help. Those aren't privilages.That's like saying women have privilage of being murdered less or assaulted less.Obviously men get murdered and assaulted more because men are more aggressive towards each other. Fighting is kinda our thing...If you want to say men are privilaged to not be raped or sexually assaulted, they you'd have to say that men have the " privilage" of greater physical strength.Because it's harder to rape someone who evolved to fight.Also. Do not reffer to males who commit rape and physical assault against a woman as men. They are cowardly scum and don't deserve to be called men.If you don't want to be assaulted, go study Martial arts or start carrying a weapon.And speaking of privilages.Affirmative action programs is only for women.Affirmative action programs= legal gender discrimination against men.Gender quotas = legal discrimination against men.The Duluth model.Women only short lists.Female genital mutilation is illegal , male is not.Women have the privilage of not being forced into war.Chivalry is female privilage.
Then why are you telling me to only blame men for the homicide rate when you don't even blame women for their wage gap? But after all it's no one's fault but that's how it should be. When i talk about the homicide rate and also talking about the suicide rate and can i also talk about a big factor is because of family issues and divorce? https://youtu.be/zOP793671p0 but really it's easy to blame it on who is in front of the scene but not easy for anyone to blame those who are behind it. Now let's see, imagine a broke family with an abusive wife in the pressures him to steal money for the family. Of course it CAN be women behind those crime rate but not all of it. Also because young males are more likely to get disowned by the family and neglected. www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-great-husbands-are-being-abandoned-0 as you can see their abandoned a lot by their family and that what you don't really want to look at but what you want to look at our most criminals are male. But if you want to talk about most criminal are men i'm going to also talked about most cops who successfully turns in criminals are men.
@grega239 if fighting is your thing then you can't blame women for your increased murder rate.Also I am saying men are privalleged as in raped less because you are saying stupid shit like women are privalleged from less workplace injuries when men choose those jobs.There is no draft going around and there hasn't been in decades because more people, including women, are willingly joining the military
@Aiko_E_Lara lol women get left behind from men at MUCH greater rates than do men by women
@grega239 also, affirmative action is there for a reason, because women faced great rates of discrimination, so something had to be done. And even with affirmative action, women still face discrimination once they get into the workplace. If you are against affirmative action, then you should contact the proper groups and supply a good argument against it
"lol women get left behind from men at MUCH greater rates than do men by women" In your delusions. You're still ignoring the family court bias, the law for child support, the leading causes of the suicide rate for men and how society sees men for leaving their wives unlike vice versa. You can go ahead and throw your "just because those exist" notion when you should be thankful those laws aren't so strict for women and society tolerates you a lot even if it's your fault.
If you wanna hear experiences from it, just ignore the comment section and the likes/dislikes ratio. Im not saying all of those are true but out of how many thousands of people voting for it and commenting about it, it's impossible to say not a single one of them is honest.
While you yourself gives individuals. How many people are you talking about? 4? 7? etc? I'd say they're lucky they're always addressed.
@RebeccalionsI never blamed women for men's murder rate. I brought it up to demonstrate that men are at greater risk of violence than women.Furthermore, basically all men are told from a young age that violence against women is dishonorable and unmanly. This , let's call it what it is, indication, however is female privilage.I have also not blamed women for men's workplace injuries and death.Men choose those jobs, because they are available as very few women would be willing to occupy them.The female privilage part of that is that no one would expect a woman to do those jobs. The job center would not offer these jobs to women, only to men, because they're deemed to dangerous for women but not for men.This point also exposes the hypocrisy of women like you when earlier you stated that only 2% of Hollywood directors are female and it's due to discrimination, yet you never complain about it when it comes to jobs like, oil drilling, sewege maintenance, garbage collection , etc.Yes more women are WILLINGLY joining the military. However if war was to break out, men and men alone would face mandatory service.And before you say that " women were not allowed to serve" , men were never allowed to refuse. Because if they did , they were executed
Discrimination against women has been made illegal.Yes. Some companies hire men over women because, a lot of women will at some point decide to have children.This means she will not be working for an extended period of time, while still receiving a percentage of her pay, while the company will have to hire someone to replace her for the duration of her pregnancy leave. Men cannot become pregnant , which means they will be able to work more. This isn't discrimination, this is basic capitalism.Another reason women face discrimination in the workplace is because of the metoo movement. Men don't want to work with women anymore , because they're afraid of being falsely accusations of misconduct.Here's my argument against affirmative action.It's discriminatory against men. The same thing you're saying is happening to women, is being done to men and the government is endorsing and enforcing it.And no , historical injustices are not an argument because we're talking about the present.You absolute hypocrite
@grega239 Do you think being taught that violence is dishonorable would stop a man from beating up a woman? You keep going into the past with this war talk. Saying they were executed, keyword is “were,” not anymore. So, if you wanna go back into the past, we can talk about prohibition and the reason why it started was because so many women were tired of getting beat up by their drunk husbands. And not hiring women on the assumption that she may have children at some point, as you indicated, IS discrimination, so you are admitting that women are discriminated against during the hiring process.. You seem to be getting your information that “discriminates” men from the past. Haven’t you ever heard of paternity leave? Fathers can take time off work too if they choose. You are also obsolete on child custody laws. I included an article below that states child custody does not automatically go in the mother’s favor, it goes to the parent most fit to raise the kid. In our grandparent’s generation, it may have been given to the mother, but that ended long ago and if you say it hasn’t, you need to cite sources. How is it hypocrisy to not cite hiring discrimination in the hard labor jobs when women aren’t choosing those jobs? They are choosing art and entertainment jobs and not getting them, which is why it is discrimination. It’s too bad that you think the #metoo movement is bogus and the women are frauds. The #metoo movement has brought forward all the sexual abuse that has been going on for decades and has helped to change the way women are treated thanks to the conviction of Weinstein. There are a lot of male actors who are in favor of the #metoo movement. So, I’m sorry that women decided to speak out against sexual abuse, maybe they should’ve kept it hidden and allowed creeps like Weinstein to continue abusing women so that men wouldn’t feel "uncomfortable "working with them. rightlawyers. com/do-courts-prefer-mothers-over-fathers/
@Aiko_E_Lara I cite individuals because I am giving examples. You have no examples. You are only 22 and going off shit you find on angry men websites.Your child custody views are obsolete. Custody isn't automatically given to the woman, not unless you are living from 50 years ago. Custody is granted in the interest of the child and who is most fit to raise that child. If a man loses custody, how do you know it's not because of drug use or other things you don't know?
"I cite individuals because I can give examples." That's another example of circular reasoning. So if you're going to talk about our issue it's always angry men but if you're going to give example you don't consider yourself angry giving individuals and you already think that is equal to the average because again you're still proving the double standards right now. So why are you even assuming drugs when there's no even proof of drugs? Can you also say there are reasons behind your individual articles they don't really cover up because she's a woman? Individual news don't prove you anything. If i'm 22 and you're 30 but you should really know better. But attacking anyone for their age is irrelevant here.
https://youtu.be/_ucR-1NodAs there are actually examples inside this video but whatever delusional reason it's angry but you're not.
@Rebeccalions yes it does. Women get away with a lot of shit a man would get beaten for.Yes "were" . Now we just go to jail for dereliction of duty.Just like women" had " less rights , now you have more. Mhm , are you talking about the prohibition that allowed the mafia to run and illegal alcohol business, huge police corruption, and men being killed all over the place. What a great solution that was.I guess it is discrimination. But as I said if you hire a man , you can be certain that he won't leave work for 1-2 years, and will be able to work more. You have a master's degree, you should understand this.It's not because she's a women , it's because she may potentially leave work to have children. You are also getting your info from the past. Because you cannot present any legal barrier for women today.Father paternity leave is like 2 weeks or something. Not 2 yearsYea parent most fit , but that's mostly women apparently. I guess men are incompetent parents...It's not about choosing, it's about the attitude.It's hypocritical because I always hear how women make up only x% of (political offices, stem fields, directors , CEOs, etc. But I never hear this being the case for jobs that aren't prestigious. Equal representation but only in well paying, safe, and higher status jobs.No. Metoo started off with good intentions. That's fine. But the more it went on the more bullshit it becameExamplesNeil degrasse Tyson was metood by a woman who had a tattoo of the solar system. He slightly lifted her short sleeve to find Pluto. That's not abuse.Brett kavanaugh. Accused of rape that allegedly happened about 30 years ago. Not only was it shown to be a lie. He was publicly demonized as a rapist simply on the word of his accuser and without evidence. Did you ever hear about Netflix's "5 second rule" ?Or "the matrass girl" Male college students being expelled on false claims.
I don't have a problem with women coming forward.My problem is that some women have used the metoo for selfish vindictive reasons.And men are afraid of being falsely accused.Do you realize the weight an accusation like that carries? It's worse than an accusation of murder. It's one of the worst thing a man can be accessed of, because it can destroy their lives even if they're innocent, the label of rapist will hang over their heads.Actual victims speaking out is not an issue.
@grega239 yes, I do have a master's, that's why I know it is sexist to not hire a woman for a more senior position based on the assumption that she may get pregnant, and you agree that this is sexist, yet you still agree with it.If that's the case, then why should women even bother going to college if there's a glass ceiling based on the assumption that she may have children? I never said it was right to accuse men of sex crimes. Neither do I think it's right to take a movement like #metoo and use it to benefit from false allegations. This was not the intention for those who started the movement, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't have started it.#metoo has exposed sex offenders and have made the workplace safer for women. Those who abuse it to out innocent men should be criminalized for their actions.
@Aiko_E_Lara again, I cite examples to show the situation, which you claim doesn't exist, actually does. You are going around in a circular argument, not me
so did I. I give examples which you're in denial about. Can i also say you're not giving an examples like what you said? "you are going around in a circular reasoning, not me" when action speaks louder than words, your "no you" defence is useless. So how can it be a circular reasoning when i'm actually giving your way more kinds of articles explaining each such as statistics, people voting, social expirements and empirical when you're only giving individuals? Can you explain how individuals can become average? I bet you can't.
I mean can you explain how individuals is average?
@Aiko_E_Lara I'm using drug use and example. You are saying men aren't granted custody solely because they are men. I am telling you to consider other reasons like drug use, long work hours which prevents them from raising a child (you yourself said that men work longer hours) or other ways they may be unfit that has nothing to do with their sex.It's hipocritical for you to tell me to consider other factors why there may be a wage gap, yet you refuse to consider other factors when it comes to anything involving "male oppression."
While you use the drug example i also use the example of what causes it. Whoever said men don't use drugs? They do but i cannot assume that all of them are for no reason. We don't do drugs just because they're men and women do it to less often i'm aware but also you don't consider how many support women get that's why they don't need to use drugs. You know what's even more hypocritical? when you talk about women's issues you start your feminism but when we talked about men's issues you're in denial about it.
Another thing hypocritical is feminism is about equality it has to be feminism not meninism/masculinism because it's a male movement but yeah let's ignore egalitarianism saying both of them are useless.
@Rebeccalions if you want to avoid that assumption do what the army does.In my country, if a woman joins the military she is contractually prohibited to have children in the first 5 years of service.Companies are usually not allowed to impose such restrictions. And hiring a man guarantees he'll work.It's not about sexism it's about who'll create more profit. Yea those who abuse false accusations should be criminalized.But the accusation itself puts a label on a man that's hard to get off. So obviously men will take precautions to avoid any accusations. And if that means not hiring women, you only have women who abused the metoo movement to blame
@grega239 what country are you in? I should not have to join the military to be treated equally. Employers should leave their sexist biases outside the workplace and treat everyone equal.
Slovenia.I'll say it again. It's not about sexism, it's about increasing profit.If a woman one day decides to have kids, she will leave work. The company can't fire her. That means the company will have to hire someone new, pay them and pay the now pregnant woman.If a man becomes a father , it's most likely that he'll work more to provide for his wife and new born, increasing productivity and profit.That's why men are hired more than women. The goal of all companies is to create profit at the lowest cost to the company. It maybe unfair but you can't just write a piece of legislation to force companies to specifically hire women just because they have a vagina.And I don't understand how you can look at the difference between men and women to sexism against women.I mean the majority of teachers a female. Is that sexist against men?
@grega239 You say "you can't just write a piece of legislation to force companies to specifically hire women just because they have a vagina." No, companies hire females because that was the best person they have interviewed and decided to hire. And if pregnancy is your reasoning for not hiring females, what are you saying? That females should not be allowed to work? Not hiring a woman because she can get pregnant IS sexism. You don't live in American, you can't compare your country to mine.
@ rebeccalions if companies hire a woman because she was the best candidate,, then why is it a problem if companies companies hire mostly men if they think that's the better option?We don't even have to talk about this any further if that's the case.Women can work, but you have to take into consideration things like pregnancy.No I don't live in America. I live in a country where we still have a more traditional society and even here we have this kind of nonsense like female only gender quotas and feminism. You are someone who does live in America, and yet you still complain about sexism despite the fact that American society and government have gone out of their way to make it easier for women even at the expense of men.Men don't have the benefit of affirmative action, gender quotas, there are no men only scholarships, short lists, men's shelters are almost non existent, more resources are dedicated to female victims of violence even though men are the majority of victims of violence.My country also has this. I have never seen a poster/flyer/brochure specifically about helping men. Only for women.That's why I have a problem with arguments like yours. Because it's expected of me to support women, but if something happens to me, no one would care.
@grega239 Companies are not forced to hire women just because they are women.Also of course the world would care. We are not in stone age people's lives matter.
@ThisIsMyOpinion yes they kinda are.Otherwise we wouldn't have gender quotas from which only women have any benefit. If companies have to reach a quota on how many women they employ , that's them being forced to do it.And no, the world doesn't care. If it did , we would have advertisement for violence against men and I have yet to see 1 single poster about that. We would have so many men living on the streets and considering the male suicide rates, we would maybe have a better access to mental help for men.Here's also a personal "evidence" of why I believe that no one cares.I had several female friends for whom I went out of my way to help and listen to when they had problems. The moment I mentioned my problems to them because I thought I could rely on them as they did on me, they cut contact and left me on my own. So you'll have a hard time convincing me that the world cares
@grega239 There was a law passed on the EU that said that a company needed to have a quota of "I don't remembre how much %" of women. This applied to every EU contry. I went to read that law. It said that a company that does not fill that quota needs to fill it UNLESS THEY HAVE A FAIR JUSTIFICATION AS TO WHY THE MAN ON THAT POSITION IS THE MORE QUALIFIED. In other words they can just simply say that the man "is a better team player" and the position requires that, or some other bullshit and the women doens't have the job. This would be harder to pull off in small companies, but here is the thing... THE LAW DIDN'T APPLIED TO SMALL OR MEDIUM COMPANIES. In other words only big companies are affected and they have easy ways around it. So nothing changed really. Then you are talking to selfish people. You need to talk with someone that is not egocentric.
@ThisIsMyOpinion so there's a law that aims to make it easier for women to find work even if a said woman would be less qualified. the size of the company is irrelevant. this law shouldn't even exist. not only is it legal gender discrimination, it makes it look like women are incapable of succeeding on their own merit. and it exposes the hypocrisy of the "equality between genders".and why is it bullshit to say a man is a better team player?
@grega239 Did you read it all? The law says that if the women is less qualified she doens't get the job or promotion. The law was created to try to prevent men to be hired and promoted just because they are men. You may not believe this, but it happens a lot! I work as a civil engennier. I have seen women getting behind because they prefer men, more competent or not. What I mean was even in cases where the woman is more qualified, it is very easy to make an excuse to say the man is more suited for the job even if he is not. Anything can be used as an excuse. So the law basically does nothing. It exists to try to prevent men to get jobs or promotions just for being men, like in my field of work they do, but it actually is full of ways around it.
@grega239 please read and listen to what@ThisIsMyOpinion says because it's absolutely true. Before gender quotas, it was very difficult for a woman who is just as qualified to get ahead. I grew up in the 80s, you weren't around before gender quotas and affirmative action. Also, you weren't in the US.People do care if men are abused, but men don't like to come out or admit this because it makes them feel weak. I already told you how the #metoo movement succeeded in finding abuse towards males--kevin Spacey, Terry Richardson, etc. Have you ever thought that maybe make shelters aren't around because there isn't a demand for it?
@Rebeccalions @ThisIsMyOpinion i did read but you didn't. so i'll say it again. maybe just maybe , men are preferred for hiring and promotions because men are on average more productive. maybe it's because men not having the ability to become pregnant and will therefore not take time off work to give birth. that means that a company will have to hire a replacement while still paying the pregnant woman a percentage of her pay. this means a company is basically paying 2 people while only 1 of them works. earl silverman ran a male shelter. he had to close it becase the government denied him funding.im guessing male shelters dont exist because all the government funds go to female shelter. and why isn't there a demand for male shelters? you'd think there would be considering men are the majority of homeless. maybe shelters should have gender quotas for men like companies do for women...
@grega239 we never said that men shouldn't be hired or promoted. If they are the best person for the job, sure! But even if they are not we often have the job anyways. That is not fair.Like @Rebeccalions said men make a very low demand for shelters regarding domestic violence.There are many, many events to support homeless people. The soup kitchen, charities, food gathering s, etc. They do have support and most of them are men.Those mandatory quotas for women men nothing due to the loopholes those laws have. You don't want the same for men.
@ThisIsMyOpinion ok so you hire a woman. you train her and all that.now she's pregnant and will leave for at least 1 year. we now have to hire another person and train them.do you see my point?menandfamilies.org/.../Fast forward to 2014. According to the 2014 General Social Survey on Family Violence, the most recent Statistics Canada survey on domestic abuse, a nearly equal proportion of men and women reported having experienced spousal violence within the preceding five years, specifically 342,000 women and 418,000 men .The Government of Canada document “Shelters for abused men in Canada, 2014” found that in 2013/2014 there were 627 shelters that offered services to abused women and only 6% of these venues allowed the admission of adult men . Note that this amounts to only 36 shelters across Canada, and includes emergency shelters which offer only short term (1 to 3 days) and mix both abused and non-abused individuals. The data on how many abused men are resident in a shelter dedicated to domestic abuse does not exist but must be incredibly small.these 2 paragraphs stood out to me.yea its a Canadian site. im too lazy and im not that good at interneting.and yes there is a social stigma around this. men being considered weak for reporting, not being believed by authorities. and worst of all , women are aware of this stigma and some are willing to exploit it *cough amber " no one will believe you bcs your're a man" heard cough*
@grega239 I don't see your point because we were not talking about maternity leave.Look up what they understand by aggression. They consider verbal and psychological aggression in those stats. That's why it says an equal amount of men and women suffer it. But I'm what comes to physical aggression we are the kings. Not that it is a good thing...I agree that we shouldn't be embarrassed to ask for help. Sadly many men do and so we don't get shelters.
@grega239 so what you're saying is that men are more productive and don't get pregnant, so women don't deserve promotions or to be hired over a man? Seems biased to me
@Rebeccalions no i didn't say women shouldn't get promotions but yes men are on average more productive. and it's not because we can't get pregnant, it's mostly because male biology is more suited for labor than womens. you can't just ignore biology and attribute a mostly male workforce to sexism.@ThisIsMyOpinion yea its an expanded definition. probably because women can't inflict any significant physical damage wihtout using a tool. and women usually resort to verbal and psychological abuse, leaving a man without evidence of abuse and pretty defenseless.and i'll again point out that men are the overall victims of violence ( assault, murder, muggings,...)but i have yet to see any kind of government adverts for violence against men, even if its men doing the attacking. its always only for violence against women. which leads me to believe that violence against men has been normalized by society , which leads me to believe that no one cares
@grega239 biologically men are more suited for hard labor jobs, but when it comes to fields don't don't require hard labor like law, finance, science, etc. We are on equal playing levels.
@grega239 Because in both situations, in men getting psychologically abused by their partners and men getting assaulted on the street, they have a better chance of defending themselves then women do.If it was the other way around. If men had no way to defend themselves against women there would be more help for men too.
Also because men are the generic sex not only because we're physically stronger why society cares less about men. tvtropes.org/.../MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial While we do have better chances of defending ourselves, we also have better chances of being framed or charged for assault just for defending ourselves because of the notion "men are prejudiced" That's just how biology and sociology really is for both genders before you think "men are privileged" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGDTDawB4wE Also people makes hasty generalizations about men being able to defend themselves. But also saying "We are on equal playing levels." isn't that contradictory? When you're still fighting for more when we're already equal, that just proves empowerment.
@Aiko_E_Lara when I said we are on equal playing levels, I was referring to intellect, not physical strength. You enjoy taking my words out of context to your benefit.Your video on a man being abused by a woman states that the woman got 18 years in prison for it. So you proved that your statement about women getting away with domestic abuse is false.My friend got attacked by a man who tried to kill her and broke her face and she can't see out of one of her eyes. She can't drive ever again along with other stuff, and she is suicidal. You wanna know how much prison time he is facing? Only 10, and most likely, it'll get reduced to 5.
@Rebeccalions I am sorry for your friend.
A moment ago, you were blaming men for death rate or homicide rate when I never even blamed women about it "then you should blame men for homicide rates, not women, because most people that commit murder are male" <-- Quoted. But it sure is hard for you to say "we should blame it on women who chose to be stay home wives and choosing a low paying job in average" Which is why "in average" women makes less than men. Do you not understand what average means? Also yeah biologically speaking, men have 10x more testosterone than women and you can't deny that. www.chronicle.com/.../index.php They're not saying all but a vast majority are. Again we're not made special like women because we have no ability to raise a new born baby which is why in order for men to be useful they have to work or they're considered worthless bums and it has evolved through the years which is why men are preferred in the work place also because a lot of women chose not to because there are no special treatment for women as it slows down the operation. But really tho, if that's a discrimination, then go a head and do it yourself and get out of your air conditioned studio. Even a lot of men wish they have the choice not to be in such death risky industry.
@Rebeccalions ok lets say office jobs can be done equally well by both men and women. the video i linked above clearly explaines why so few women work in law, finances etc. peterson states that its because very few women are willing to work up to 80h /week.hypergamy also plays its part because women marry men who make the same or more. so if her husband makes more than enough, why would she work?or is sexism the only argument you can come up with@ThisIsMyOpinion BULLSHIT. if a woman assaults me physically in private and i hit back, and the police arrives, im the one getting arrested, beacause a woman if far to weak to inflict any visible damage on me but she'll have a black eye or a bleeding nose... or is crying and im not.if a woman attacks me in public and i hit her back, some guy will jump me for hitting a woman.and if a woman abuses me verbally, well i have no evidence for it unless i think of recording it.men have no defense against womenand women can defend themselves against men. they can learn martial arts or carry a weapon.
"Your video on a man being abused by a woman states that the woman got 18 years in prison for it. So you proved that your statement about women getting away with domestic abuse is false." Yea sure but did I say men's issues never get addressed? Sure but not as much as women. That 18 years in prison could be 25 years in prison if she was a man. www.huffpost.com/.../men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742 So there we have it. He could only be addressed because her wife got sentenced to prison.
@grega239 Sure! No defense at all... That is why most of domestic violence victims are women. In most cases a women goes to the police they ask for evidences, they have none and there is nothing that they can do.
@Aiko_E_Lara did the judge say "if you were a man, you'd get 25 years?" No. You are just basing that offassumption from an article that is 11 years old.You say the man defending himself will get arrested instead of the woman be ause she will have marks on her face and he won't. If he doesn't have damage to his face, then how is he even hurt? I already told you about a situation where i knew someone who defended himself against a woman hitting him by hitting her. She got jail time, he didn't.Again, you base your opinions off assumptions or whatever you read on the internet, not real life
@grega239 so few women work in law and finance because we weren't given the opportunity until very late in the 20th century. People often follow their parents footsteps. My attorney is female, so is her entire firm. They work long hours and have won many cases and class action suits for workers
@ThisIsMyOpinion thank you, I will let her know. She feels very alone
@Rebeccalions those two actually believe that women can't be victims of anything. That society treats you like you are queens of the worls and forget people like your friend.They also probably think that if you were talking about a guy that neither you or I would hve the same sympathy. As far as I can tell you are not saying that men don't have their problems. You are just saying, like me, that their entire prespective on how bad the world is for men and good for women is completely blown out of proportion.
@ThisIsMyOpinion yes, they are completely blowing it out of proportion. I'm for equal rights. I don't think anyone should be treated unfairly based on their gender.They discount our numerous accounts of abuse by men (rape, assault, mental abuse) and discount it by showing a minority of men who have encountered the same. They claim many women give false accusations and therefore, there are just as many men abused as there are women. This is very skewed.Honestly, the only privilege I have seen as a woman was getting a free drink at the bar lol
And why would a judge show their gender bias in a court? Nobody needs to say that they care about women more they care about men more when they demonstrated themselves which is what the article said and i have actually seen it in real life if you're gonna say the internet is a lie. What still stands is the women are wonderful effect behind that one and even i've shown you the social experiment and are you sure those aren't real people? You think those were holograms? Jeez i wonder what kind of rich people are they who can actually afford it just to make a "fake" social experiment video. And of course why wouldn't you call your notion afaik when you can easily a fake when you can easily call anyone of fake just because you don't like what they're presenting to you?
@Rebeccalions yes, while it's true that men also are victims of crimes and violence by both genders, women suffer it far more.I trade that over not having drinks paid for me at the bar anyday! Besides even us got drinks paid by women every once in a while xD
@ThisIsMyOpinion What are you talking about? Men make up the majority of violent crime victims. Murder for example is like at least triple that of female murder victims according to the FBI. Even Pew Research says that men are harassed more online than women despite women being sexually harassed more often. Where are your statistics?
@Snakeyes7 crimes like murders and violent mugs affect men more. Yes, but keep in mind that men make the vast vast majority of gang members, sports related altercations, and are more violent all around. Might have something to do with that not with women. They are done by other men.On the other hand women are the main victims of tape, sexual assault and domestic violence by men! Not by other women. "Men are harassed more online than women despite women being sexually harassed more often". What do you prefer? Being harassed or being sexually harassed?
@Snakeyes7 men are harrassed online more? What kind of harrassment? And by whom?
@Rebeccalions Harassment in general by anyone.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Yeah and? How does the fact that more men commit the crime prove me wrong? My argument is since there are a lot more male victims, why do I never hear a feminist outcry over that? I am also making this same argument for the harassment statistics.
@Snakeyes7 actually, according to statists. com, there were slightly more female violent crime victims than men in 2018And when men are murdered, they are shown on the news, same as women. But if it's gang related, no one cares for obvious reasons.
@Snakeyes7 Your issue it that feminists don't make marches about male safety? Are they the law? Are the issues that feminists care about all that the world caress about? Besides look at why men are the biggest victims of murder and violence. It's because they get themselves in the middle of it. What are they going to protest about? "We want men to have more common sense!" ? The things men are harassed over the internet they forget after 5 minutes since it has nothing to do with sexual attacks. No need to worry about that.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Sure! No defense at all... That is why most of domestic violence victims are women. this sentence doesn't make sense.and when have i said that women can't be victims of anything?i am saying women get treated better than men when it comes to violence, becauses sexual and domestic violence are the only 2 categories where women are the majority of victims. all other forms of violence is majority men. but of course that doesn't matter to you because its men being violent to each other. its only a problem when the victim is a woman.@Rebeccalions so there's a law firm thats headed by a woman and is staffed by women. so women aren't being held back.yea womens options expanded at the end of the 20th century is probably because of the developement of contraceptives , pads and tampons etc. if a woman attacks me but doesn't leave any marks, that means nothing. it was still assault. just because a woman can't hit hard enough to damage me doesn't absolve her of the fact that she commited a crime. and just because i can take a hit doesn't give a woman the right to swing at me, especially when she hides behind " you can't hit me , i'm a woman" excuse ( yes that happened to me and that was the exuse she gave)and you say your for equal rights? in most western countries female genital mutilation is illegal while circumcision for men is still legal. and i'll again point out that only men are required to give military service if the government orders it. in my country for example, the government wanted to introduce military service, MANDATORY ONLY FOR MEN.
@grega239 If men really had no defense agaist women how would they be the majority of domestic perpetrators?It's a problem when violence happens no matter if the victim is a man or a woman. If you say that raped and domestic abused men aren't as listen to as women, I agree. We are not and there are very clear things that could be done to change that. We are also the majority of violent crimes, done by other men, but what do you want to do about that? There is no way to change that. What do you want the world to do about that?
@grega239 male genital mutilation as you call it is not mandatory. Circumcision is a choice the parents have and it does prevent certain infections. Men i know are glad they had it done. It is also a religious ritual found in Jewish cultures. I also know men who have not been circumcised, it's not a social stigma.Female mutilation, on the other hand, is not so much of a choice as a woman is seen as "unpure" and rejected by society if she doesn't get it. It is also barbaric as it causes infections and complications and removes so much of the anatomy that sex is not pleasurable. I don't know what country you are from, but if it's not comparable to the US, it would be hard for you to speak for gender inequality in our country.
Oh now you're talking about your country because I'm talking about the rest of the world. If your place or country is oppressing women then there are other places oppressing men. You can talk about "female mutilation" but don't wanna talk about how women have reproductive rights. It's not like your place is the only place where there are male and female. But yeah just wanna defend the title instead of showing real equality. We have feminists saying "feminism is for men too, feminism is equality, choice feminists, radical feminists, or whatever feminist" but really they all can't seem to agree on each other but only one in common making up their notions men are so evil and the "patriarchy" exist and they think that doesn't make them evil for hypocritical reasons. It's just failing to check their privileges. Like what you do saying "they're BS". But really that's how feminism is described.
@Aiko_E_Lara what does female mutilation have to do with reproductive rights? Seems like when you lose an argument like mutilation, you just start a new one.Feminism is equal rights. Most feminists don't think men are evil. That's your misconception. and yes, we are in a patriarch
When the topic brought "female mutilation" which you claim how oppressed your gender is, yeah I know it's an issue. Im not the one who's saying it is but you know what else is an issue? Men not having reproductive rights. It's for you to check your own privilege. The main point here is you are still being one sided about the situation thinking the patriarchy exist. "Most feminists don't think men are evil." Like you've met most feminist in the world. When actions speaks louder than words, your theory and notions don't matter. While there are also feminists who say "most feminists wants empowerment because men are prejudiced." You're just proving you're one of those disagreeing with other feminists like how other feminists disagrees with you. But the one thing they have in common still stand. "Feminism is equal rights" <-- just because it is mentioned in the dictionary. Sure it is mentioned in the dictionary but the dictionary never said feminism is equality. It is only mentioned in the description. Now look at the list of synonyms of feminism, you won't see equality in there. Feminism isn't even in the synonym list of equality but egalitarianism is. Now the dictionary "should" change that like how other feminists would say?
@Aiko_E_Lara what reproductive rights do men not have?And im sure I know more feminists than you. You listed a tiny amount of radicals
Like having to abort a child or give it up for adoption in complete disregard of the wishes of the father. Talk about reproductive rights. fox13now.com/.../ And sure you know more *kinds of feminist. I mean you consider them as feminists but you don't consider anyone you disagree with as feminists basically what all kinds of feminists in general do. The thing they still have in common and how they demonstrate it still stands. If the dictionary says so then they synonym list the dictionary offered said so and no matter how you look at it, that's still not gonna change. Meaning feminism is not about equality. Sure I know what feminism is this is why im so good at debunking it.
@Aiko_E_Lara well I don't agree with the woman having the sole choice of the pregnancy outcome, but if one parent wants the baby and the other doesn't, its a slippery slope. What would you suggest should happen in that situation?
In that situation, the father should just keep the child with the mother giving it up. But it's all commitment and it's not only the dad's fault she's pregnant but she committed it herself too. It's something called responsibility. But really if you wouldn't really support that article, you still can't really speak for all feminists who wants more rights forgetting how privileged they are. After all there's still a reason why it's called "feminism" not egalitarianism. Still proves how they're supporting inequality.
@Aiko_E_Lara femism doesn't support inequality, only those feminazi groups that you seem to focus on. I have read on the man's rights association website and I think they are just as crazy
Oh lol while the thing in common they have still stands. Again with actions speaks louder than words. Sure I know the difference between feminazis and feminists. feminazis are evil while feminists are just pointless. If you feminists like to use the dictionary so much "it's about equality" then so I did play with their games debunking that. That "doesn't mean" line can also be used as "The patriarchy doesn't mean it exist and putting women at a disadvantage that you have to call yourselves feminists" Don't you love it when it backfires?
@ThisIsMyOpinion So you say that the reason feminists don’t march in protest on male murder because it is their choice to put themselves in danger. Gee, I wonder what other thing feminists complain about that is almost if not completely reliant on their choices in life and are therefore not valid complaints? Hmm I seem to remember something about women getting 73% of something that men get but I seem to be drawing a blank right now. Well whatever it was, I’m sure that acknowledging that different people get different outcomes based on personal choices doesn’t at all invalidate the narrative that all of the inequalities between the genders are due to discrimination or some imaginary bogeyman called the patriarchy keeping a particular class of people down. Oh wait...
@Rebeccalions Didn’t you say that you were from another country that’s not Europe or North America or something or am I confusing you with someone else? If so, then I can definitely see how your complaints would be valid because I’m from the US and I would argue that men and women are equal and some would say women are the privileged class.
@Snakeyes7 men put themselves in danger by choosing those jobs. They have a choice. Do you see men marching against sex trafficking! Nope. Those women didn't have a choice
I could say the same about women being in average a stay home wife if they complain about the wage gap so much. "Do you see men marching against sex trafficking!" Sure we don't because there are more things in life for us to worry about than that. But you know if that men's march actually exist, id support it. Oh now it's sexist if we do I see. That's why you don't see it.
@Snakeyes7 no I'm from the United States. Of course you would think it is equal, you have never been a female in the workplace. You never experienced being talked down to and disrespected because of your gender or sexual harassment. You act like because it's against the law it doesn't exist. That's such b*******, it obviously exists and in larger numbers than you would think. Why do you think #metoo is so popular?
But in my case I never think it's equal. But im saying both genders there face inequality different ways. That would technically make them "equal" but different if that's why snakeeye7 looks at it. "You never experienced being talked down to and disrespected because of your gender or sexual harassment." <-- Sure I did and I know someone too but again im not using hasty generalizations because that's not gonna prove things. There's already a statistics and empirical data I provided for that.
"Why do you think #metoo is so popular?" for the very same reason it's so popular in hatred. Why do you think school shooting is popular among those kids?
@Rebeccalions true its not mandatory but its still legal. the fact that the law allows it means that men don't have the right of bodily autonomy.yea some men may be ok with it but how many were consenting adults and not babies when thy had it done. religion has no place in a secular legal system.and speaking of sexual pleasure. males circumsion destroys the nerve endings in a penis. which i guess is good for women because men with cut dicks last longer... the fact that your even defending a law that allows the violation of mens right of bodily autonomy without their consent, while espousing a belief of equality is hypocritical.my country doesn't allow circumcision for any reason including religious or cultural. because its barbaric.
@Aiko_E_Lara so are you calling #metoo a hate movement? Are you sad Weinstein was found guilty?
@grega239 not defending it, I'm telling you why female mutilation is far worse. for men it prevents infection, for women it causes it. You can't blame women for that. It's a cultural norm that started with religion and is agreed upon by the parents.
@Snakeyes7 Are you talking about the wage gap? If so yes that is a myth. Like you said is based off very misinterpreted information and it's the result of individual choices. We agree on that. Makes no sense to make marches about it when they should focus their time on their studies and jobs instead.But they feel like it's something they should fight for, since they believe it to be their issue. Men choice of jobs and of general tendency to violence also makes us more often victims of our own decisions. We could have marches about it to raise awareness, in fact we should. They are doing it because they are fighting for what they want. Some things are senseless others are not. We are not fighting for anything at all. That is also our choice.
@grega239 My country also does not allow it. No one is saying that it should be done at such a young age when you have zero choise. It is bad. But what fault do women have of that? Do you know how it all started? Here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng
No. I'm calling it a useless movement because the rape culture doesn't exist and there is already a law for it which is why weinstein was turned in. Unlike vice versa its not a big deal if men gets raped. It's just like you're sad because of your notion the patriarchy exist.
@Aiko_E_Lara wrong. Rape culture does exist. Very much so. The #metoo movement did help men. It outted Kevin Spacey and a fashion photographer who was molesting boys
and it's not going to be come true just because you keep saying it is. You're still disregarding when i said is there are already laws for rape and again if vice versa, it's usually not seen as a really big deal. Rape is such a horrid thing that if a guy gets accused of rape, he is going to lose everything from reputations to income with the accuser having little risks. Now you're going to say that "but not all" pfff i could also say the same thing about innocent men not all of them in jail are guilty.
@Rebeccalions I don't agree with @Aiko_E_Lara when he says that society doesn't care when men are raped, but I also don't think rape culture is real. But maybe you can prove me wrong. Why do you say it is real?
@ThisIsMyOpinion because almost every woman I know has been sexually assaulted and every woman I know has been sexually harrassed.Popular media promotes rape culture through rap lyrics and this normalizes it. I can't even tell you how many guys have tried to date rape me and think I deserve it bc I have a nice body. This behavior seems normal on the east coast... on the west coast, men are more respectful of women and it's not normalized there.
@ThisIsMyOpinion i'm not saying that aside you don't care at all but they are they are just so tolerable with it. You know the power of having a vagina and i'm not the one who saying the rape culture exist. I already explained it over there that when iron man gets accused of rape his going to lose everything and its reputation. There are laws for rape which is why the rape culture don't exist
@Aiko_E_Lara do you really think that just because there is a law for something it doesn't exist? Then murder, robbery and shootings don't exist either
*when a man gets accused. My mic is deaf.
See? I already responded to that predictable "just because" like what i said, if you're just going to say not all rapist are caught then i could also say not all men in prison are actually guilty. But really if you're just going to say that the police are getting doubtful, then that is for women who actually lied about rape because which was taken so seriously until lies are made. It's something called presumption of innocence.
@Aiko_E_Lara you said rape doesn't exist because it's against the law. So, that would mean every guy accused of rape is innocent and women who claim rape are all liars
No but can you read again before you start strong running? Did i even say all men in jail are innocent and all women are liers? Read again. Yes there is already laws for rape and those who goes against it are brought to justice. What else do you want? Arrest all men because they're potentially rapists? Or you could say arrest or rapists but that is already a thing. "Law" do you not understand what law means?
@Aiko_E_Lara you said "there are laws for rape, that's why rape culture doesn't exist." First, you assume that we live in a perfect world where all rapists go to jail. Some rapists go free and some people don't report rape, especially when it's job related. Second, you assume rape and rape culture are the same thing, they aren't. Rape culture is anything glamorizing sexual assault or objectivity like rap lyrics.
No i didn't ask some we are living in a perfect place because both men and women are facing inequality not just women. And you know there is a reason why dark humor exist just like how those lyrics you are talking about exists. Pulling the "just because" line once again. Just because those exist doesn't mean rape culture exist. Just because dark humor exists doesn't mean dark culture exist. Sure you only when i look at those lyrics do you but you don't wanna look at the law and how many people are arrested because of rape.
*I didn't think we're living in a perfect place. Or so even society is against rape itself if you think it's really exist just because of those "promotions" stuff happening.
@Aiko_E_Lara singing about sexualizing, harrassing and objectifying women is apart of rape culture.
@Rebeccalions I am sorry for what you and your friends have been through. And I don't want my opinion to make you think I devalue any of what happened to victims of those crimes. I just don't agree that rape is normalized in songs. When I was young 50 cent was making a ton of "female objectifying" songs and I didn't became entitled to women. That is an excuse for the ones that make it. No matter how much you hear songs about it everyone knows very well that rape is a serious crime. They do it despite that. I mean how can something be normalized and considered fine by society when it is a jail worth crime. With many years behind bars. Until there are no repercussions to rapists I don't think we can talk about a rape culture.
@Rebeccalions I know it can be easy to believe that rape is being normalized when so many rapists walk free with things like what the victim was wearing. Still is something that society condemned by society. As far as I know there are also movies and songs talking about the breavery of comming forward after such crime and about how much it damages it's victims. It's up to people to filter what they hear in entertainment industry, who has zero obligations to teach the general population anything.
Because that's what you only look at. You're still continuing to prove your one sidedness about the situation. Do you seriously thing those alone are the only cause of rape? Not only there are laws for rape but there are also songs, movies, novels or etc against rape. But really lets be real, the songs and lyrics about rape you're talking about isn't doing the act themselves. When majority of the population are against rape. But you know what's more common than that? Violence in movies and games, shooting and manipulating and stuff. Even villains in Disney and kid's show. Why isn't even that talked about and why isn't that an issue? That's because they don't do the act and that alone is not the reason why those culture exist.
For the female objectifying thing in your notions. Yes that happens in video games because video games appeal more to guys and it's called marketing and it's for the same reason why guys aren't into rom coms which guys in rom coms are objectified. The unrealistic standards there saying "a guy must do everything for the girl even if it costs his life or whatever" but do we care? If you wanna complain about how men objectify women but when women see men as an emotionless ATM robot, it's not objectification? That's a double standard.
@Aiko_E_Lara there are very few women who see men as emotionless atm machines. And there may be one song about it per 500 songs preaching female objectivity. Video games are innocuous compared to rap lyrics. Violence in video games and movies has been so ingrained in our culture that it would be very difficult to eliminate it unless someone comes up with a new concept.However, female-bashing and violence in rap music can be eliminated because there are rappers who don't write about that and they are still successful. If the music industry thinks people want smut, they will sign those artists instead
@ThisIsMyOpinion well I think there's a difference between rape and rape culture. Rape culture could be unwanted sexual remarks etc, whereas rape is an action.
@Rebeccalions even if my defenition of rape culture is not as broad as yours, am with you on the main topic of this conversation, that women still are issues to fight over in today's society. I honestly feel lucky to be a man. The problem with the other guys in this conversation is that they are not aware of how good they have it.
But then there is no law for that and with men losing 1/3 of his money after a divorce for any reason. Now could I say gold digging culture exist because rom coms with unrealistic stantards for men exist? "there are very few women who see men as emotionless atm machines." Then so are the rapists and players being the minority of men and lets not forget that those who risks their lives to stop rapists tend to be male cops and other men for the sake of protecting women. And yeah I wonder why it's so "ingrained" in our culture. Maybe because it's not that big of a deal and people actually enjoys it. Now what do you think it should be? Ban all action movies and video games because you think that's the main cause of violence? When violence already exist before movies and video games were made. Or why not ban all people who does violent stuff which is basically what society has been doing for years? Again with "law" which is a tool to prevent it. If you're still gonna use that "not all" line, again not all criminals are actually guilty. That just shows people take crime and rape seriously. "The law doesn't mean it stops it from happening" Well guess what? Movies, games and rap songs doesn't mean promoting it either.
@ThisIsMyOpinion You know just like how girls aren't aware how good they have it. Well if that's your opinion then don't speak for all.
@ThisIsMyOpinion That’s fine but they should stop saying that it is for men and women and that they care about mens issues if they aren’t going to act on it. That is one of my biggest issues with it.
@Aiko_E_Lara actually yes, rap lyrics do promote it. People buy into that fantasy. I've been on dates with men who are heavily into hip hop culture and men who are not. I get treated way better by those who don't listen much to it. Rock music doesn't need to lower themselves to rape culture to make money.And yes, most younger men are players. Most women aren't gold diggers. And the women who are, usually find older men who already know they need money to buy her. It's a consentual situation.What you like to do in your arguments is blow the ratios out of proportions. You take a minority groups of women i. e. feminazis, goldiggers and blow it into a majority. Then you take a minority of men, i. e. falsely accused rapists and blow it into a majority. Anyone with apt critical thinking skills could see right through this.Women pay out in alimony too. It depends who makes more money. So, if you don't think women should get ahead in the workplace, maybe you shouldn't bitch about them getting alimony settlements.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I'm with you too. If these men don't understand the benefits they have based on their sex, the they are doing something wrong lol.
Then here we have the law stopping it then yes it does mean rape culture don't exist. You know everything basically promotes something. Someone is just selling goblets but now that promotes liqueurs and drinking habits rights? Doritos are triangles now that promotes illuminati because illuminati is triangle? and so on. That no true Scotsman fallacy. But after all it's just people promoting themselves. "And yes, most younger men are players. Most women aren't gold diggers." Because? It's based on what you've seen? Don't act like who you saw are already equivalent to "most" young men out there. Also who's telling girls to have sex with their partners? What if I told you, sex goes both ways and it pleasures both not just men only which is why young girls just do it. Any break up circumstances has a high chance men are to be blamed that's why they're seen as players. And no i wasn't talking about women. I'm talking about feminists which is technically a minority of women. Feminizis or whatever you wanna call it still falls in the feminism category. "Women pay out in alimony too." Did I say they don't? When I talk about the average I mean average. "I'm with you too. If these men don't understand the benefits they have based on their sex, the they are doing something wrong lol." <-- I do understand men's privilege alright but do you even understand your own privilege? Which you call BS from the very beginning that you have to be a feminist? how about you doing something wrong?
Well you're part right about there are more men who are players than women being gold diggers but however the other half of those gold diggers are also women players. I mean im not saying all women are like that just like not all men are players. But the main point is it still takes 2 tango.
@Snakeyes7 I agree with you on that. Feminists don't care about men's issues. I am not a feminist either.
@Aiko_E_Lara when something is highly promoted and mainstream, it becomes the norm. When lyrics preach about bitches and hoes and the more pussy you get, the more valuable you are, men buy into this. Girls start buying into this too and think it's normal to be treated that way.What makes me think most men are players? Because I'm not in high school anymore. I've been very active in the dating scene in major cities and have encountered very few men who are looking to settle down and bc I'm attractive, they will lie and manipulate to try to sleep with me. I'm not unique in this situation. Other girls struggle too.Okay, let me think about my privalleges. I can get free drinks at the bar and use my sexuality to get what I want. No thanks, I'd rather be respected as a human.The most empowering thing I ever saw is a guy trying to buy a woman a drink and she said, no thank you.
And you know what else is a promotion? The law itself. How media portrays rape is such a bad thing. How society is against rape. How a man (specifically) lose everything if he's accused and so on. Why can't you take a look at that but you only wanna look at those lyrics and stuff thinking that's the main cause of rape? "Girls start buying into this too and think it's normal to be treated that way." <-- there's something called responsibility really and girls who wanted to be treated that way because of the lyrics, it's not the lyrics fault. Ok beer exist but then someone got drunk and shot someone. Is it the beer's fault? When they had a choice not to drink it. Sure blame it on an inanimate object making a notion "that culture" exist. Sure let's just skip responsibilities. Again hasty generalizations. That's just you. Because i've also met many gold diggers tho and female players too. Which is why dildos have different sizes. Why can't they all be small? See? That's what promotes girls to go with someone who has a huge cock and leave their boyfriend who has a smaller one but is it necessary to get salty about it?Ok you can only think about that privilege when I can only think about how men are biologically stronger that it's ok to use them as an emotionless atm robot. Just arguing at your level. Now there's something wrong with me for doing exactly what you're doing? because that actually reflects you. Just ignore that 50 privileges I gave you and sure there's "nothing wrong with you"
@Aiko_E_Lara I never said rap music causes rape, I said it normalizes objectification and that can encourage date rape. thats apart of rape culture. And I never met a woman who left a guy bc of his dick size.And if you want to go there, then we are judged by our breast size too, that's why boob jobs are popular.Sure, there are female players, but it's much more common to find a male player.
@Aiko_E_Lara also, tell me what these privalleges are. So far you only mentioned reproductive rights, which doesn't pertain to me since I have no plans to have children.
Ok you wanna play that game? Then ok let's make rape legal because normal you say and shall we keep it that way? "And I never met a woman who left a guy bc of his dick size." <-- speak for your experiences but that exist. "he's just a bitter man because his girlfriend left her" but that can't usually be said to women. And yeah you get judged by breast size but do we own a fake boob like how women own dildos? And please tell me how a boob can pleasure us because it's the other way around called "nipple orgasm" you have we don't. Also there are more kinds of sex toys for women than men as they have multiple orgasms. Any woman CAN leave a guy if he fails to pleasure her at some part while he's always at fault. "Sure, there are female players, but it's much more common to find a male player." Yeah sure you're proving my point because the other half of those kind of girls are gold diggers. If you sum that up you'd probably get a result of how many male players are there. But really you still haven't met everyone so it doesn't make your own data valid for everyone.
Also talk about "addressed" How would address a female player? I mean if he's luck someone would be on his side. It takes luck to be on men's side in break up situations.
Again it's right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ucR-1NodAs&t=30s And about how society cares about women more. How they're less likely to get blamed. I even shown you the social experiment. Don't pretend I never show you that.
@Aiko_E_Lara Most of those claims made on that video are skewed. Let look at some of them…“It is more common for men to be pressured or forced into being parents that women.”Why? Are women putting guns to your heads? Use a condom or get out of the relationship. “Women can rape a man or underage boy to sue him for child support”No, they can’t. Rape is illegal. “Privilege is not assuming you did something to deserve it if you are a crime victim.”Wrong. Women that are raped are said to be asking for it based on the dress they wear or hour they are out at night. When I was sexually assaulted, even women were shaming me. “Women can sue a sperm donor for child support.” No, they can’t. under the Uniform Parentage Act (UPA).“Privilege is people not seeing you as a deadbeat or loser if you can’t support your family.”This is done by men for not allowing women to work for so long. And now that we can work, we are not getting promoted to higher positions equally. “Men die from prostate cancer at a greater rate than women die from breast cancer, but women get more publicity for it.”That’s because women have set up organizations. Men are not likely to set up organizations for prostate cancer. Do you want women to start campaigning for a disease they don’t even get when men don’t campaign for women diseases? We are can get ovarian cancer and that gets less recognition than prostration cancer.There are also military deaths and other stuff mentioned. But who invented war? Man or woman?It is also men who shame other men for emotional issues or domestic abuse victims, especially if the man is homosexual. To me it sounds like your problem is with men and not women. Maybe if you were in support of allowing women more leadership positions, they might be less war and male fatalities and more compassion for male emotional issues.
@Aiko_E_Lara I agree with @Rebeccalions1. Men can use protection or just leave. No one is forcing them to do anything.2. "Women can rape a man or underage boy"- No they can't! They go to jail if they do. Don't you usually search for info before saying something? Look herewww.dailymail.co.uk/.../...x-sex-urinated-bed.htmlwww.dailymail.co.uk/.../...-student-classroom.htmlBoth those women got arrested and charged.3. Women get accused of "wanting it" after being raped all the time.4. Like @Rebeccalions said, no they can't. 5. You are not a very successful person if you can't give money to your family. That goes for both men and women. Today both parents need to provide and are looked down uppon if they don't.6. Men should do more awareness campains for our problems. Sadly we don't and women have nothing to do with that. We are the ones who chose to keep our arms crossed.7. Like she said and like I said to @Snakeyes7 most of the things that men can complain about are their own fault. On the other hand most things women can complain about are men's fault.