Women's spine and hips are shaped different than that of a man. Look at the profiles of both and you will see while a man stands up straight a woman's spine at the pelvis is shaped differently and she has more of a curve to it that, while it may work well for child birth, for other things it might not work well. That is why you see a lot of oriental women squatting down funny when working in the fields. It is much more comfortable on their spines. So carrying those big battle packs on the back may not work as well as one on her front.
@allieoops No, kids are not military recruits. Many kids with learning disabilities or who come from badly dysfunctional homes cannot and will not respond to (more) physical abuse. Short of the kid committing a violent crime, there is never a good reason to hit a child.
My parents beat the crap out of me when I was a kid for misbehaving. My dad apologized to me a few years ago for it. But I looked him and was like “what for”. Yeah a few times it was uncalled for but it was about good parenting. In general I’m fed up with this liberal bullshit that slapping/spanking your kid is “child abuse”. Kicking and punching your kid definitely can be. But spare the rod spoil the child. Now we got a whole generation of loud mouth, stupid and disrespectful/irresponsible millennials. Not all of them are like that of course but they were never taught respect.
@KrakenAttackin No one said anything about hitting a child. If anything we are talking about teenagers. You know, the ones who go around mugging people, stealing cars, selling drugs, and just doing things that are up to no good. A little discipline would not hurt them in the least. In fact, there are young people convicted of crimes that are given the choice of prison or joining the Marines or some other service. I don't know if it helps them straighten out, but it is more likely than what they would get in a prison.
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This was the reasoning my RDCs gave when they said they do not believe in laying hands on recruits.
@Ellie-V Now this is bizarre shit. Bootcamp is NOT BDSM... fuck.
@KrakenAttackin I didn’t say it was BDSM, I said it’s like BDSM... because of power exchange.I made that very clear. Hitting/beating/punishing someone who is considered “beneath” you in any kind of way is an exercise of power and whether it’s wrong or right should be determined by what was discussed before signing the dotted line. Again, just like BDSM.
@KrakenAttackin I mean, if you see something that isn’t valid, feel free to explain. Otherwise I meant what I said ☺️
@Ellie-V Training men for war does not correlate to your sexual fetishes. War is not erotic, it is not a game, it is not "tantalizing", it is a very serious business.
@KrakenAttackin “your sexual fetishes”... I’m not into bdsm. I don’t participate in that, I’m just moody educated in the subject and if you cared to do your own research you’d understand that bdsm is much more than some sexual fetish because a large part of that community doesn’t actually do anything sexual.And I’ll say this one more time... what the asker was talking about is LIKE bdsm. As in there are similarities, but they are not the same. Even if you were right and bdsm was entirely sexual, my point would still stand because not one time did I mention anything about sexual gratification.I specifically mentioned POWER EXCHANGE, which is not inherently sexual. It’s just a relationship dynamic that can be found in both scenarios described. And it does not take away from the seriousness of military training 🙄Like what about that are you not able to wrap your head around?
"Power exchange... which can be found in both dynamics"... OK, so is an insect biting a person (causing pain) a "power exchange"... is this like BDSM?I guess if you see everything through sexual eyes, everything is a sexual exchange. I just can't stand when people trivialize warfare.
@KrakenAttackin Your insect example makes no sense... at all.That is not power exchange.I’m thinking you may not understand what power exchange is or how it could apply to different scenarios and relationships, so I advise you to do your own research because what you are saying is really ignorant.I don’t say that to offend you. Just stating a fact.Power exchange and sexual exchange are not the same but they could connect and in what I was explaining before had nothing to do with sex.The only person who trivialized warfare was you because you chose to twist my perspective into something else due to your personal biased beliefs.
“I don’t know where you’re getting your info” What info?
The BS where TI's and DI's punch new recruits to keep them in line. That just doesn't happen. If it does, it's an extremely rare instance where the recruit can legally bring charges against the Instructor. Unless there's hand-hand combat training going on, punching anyone just don't happen.
Read the question again. I’m asking what people think should happen, whether this should be allowed or not and to what extent if it should be allowed.
My point is, it's NOT allowed during basic training/boot camp and hasn't been for decades! Unless your doing hand-hand combat training or Escape & Evade (E&E) training, you're very unlikely to ever get hit by anyone ever, in the military.The other types of training I mentioned... those guys train like it's real, and by God, you'd better be ready for it. Their intention is specifically to teach and they make that abundantly clear prior to you starting the "class". You're well aware that hitting, punching, kicking, throwing you and other techniques WILL be employed to show you how to deal with it.When I was flying in the USAF, we went into an "Altitude Chamber" once every 3 years. They'd put us on oxygen, then have us remove our masks at 25,000ft to show us the effects of hypoxia. Then they'd suddenly take us to 35,000 ft, and show us what a rapid decompression on a jet would feel like. Of course, our masks were hanging on our heads and instructors were right there in case someone needed help. During one class a contractor there had a heart attack and died. It happens. Yet he passed a Class 3 flying physical prior to starting any flight training. Hitting? No way.
I know it’s not allowed, I’m asking if people think it should be allowed and to what extent it should be allowed. For example, I don’t expect anyone to say that drill sergeants or instructors can gang up on a recruit and absolutely pound him/her to dust. If someone said hitting should be allowed, I’d imagine something along the lines of shoving or slapping the face of a recruit after doing something stupid like flagging another recruit with the his/her barrel during training.
I dont think you understand it well, at boot camp you learn how to kill. Your already past that point so some well deserved beating should be allowed for mistakes that could have costed lives.
@_inkRat You are learning to kill, but that's no excuse for taking measures to minimise pointless harm. Physical abuse has been shown plenty of times to cause lasting negative psychological effects that I doubt you'd want of a soldier.
Soo by that logic if in the contract for women is that they are supposed serve as sexual relieve it should be allowed? Allowing a person of power over you to use violence on you is disgusting. Abuse is abuse and violence is violence and no contract is going to make it legal.
If they signed that contract, yes, I believe so. If you don't want to be abused, don't sign a contract that says you can be abused. It's a deal. If someone says, sign this contract, then, I can punch you, and I'll give you a million dollars. Outside of this contract, you don't yield them the benefit of them punching you without retaliation, and they don't yield you the benefit of them giving you a million dollars. Neither of you are owed each other's product/service/etc. But if you both agree to trade services, products, etc, and then you don't hold up your end of the bargain, that's wrong. If you don't want to be punched, you don't deserve that million dollars, at least not from that particular person. If our don't want to be punched, don't sign the contract.
Watching the grass grow.
@ZombieP1ow Blood makes the grass grow!!
Watching the grass grow was a method my DI used. I hurt just thinking about it.
@ZombieP1ow How about the Quarterdeck or the sandbox?
Mountain climbers until you puke, then on your belly, on your back until you're covered in sand and vomit. Ahhhhhh, good times
@ZombieP1ow Yup, and side straddle hops.
I agree with what he said!
Navy, with Marine Drill Instructors.
*entire unit that fucks a dedicated cadet overhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SihQghhTg4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VliOGfNCVchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYxEIyNA_mk
I am a Navy veteran. They are not allowed to in our basic training, but they can at BUD/S. The reason they can is because those who wish to become SEALs have to be ready for more abuse than the average military member.
I washed out of BUD/S
@jgokgotit I respect you for trying. That’s more than I can say.
and training to kill somebody would be considered what in your opinion?
Thanks - @CozyNadia - for voicing it out. I had the same thought.
A friend of mine who is a senior airline captain flew a USMC rifle company over to Afghanistan. He is a retired Marine himself. He said this was a group of rough young men you would not want to mess with. Not everyone is soft these days.
Marines is a different story but for regular Army who tryin to get as many as possible, that would make people less want to join lol.