I did see that video; thank you for reposting it a bunch of times but evidence can only work if it is used with an argument.
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It's legal in some states.
@Beth12345 could you please name these states x
Massachusetts, New york and Oregon.
@Beth12345 "Prior to the passage of the Reproductive Health Act (RHA), New York law banned third-trimester abortions except when necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. Before the RHA was passed, New York law required that abortions be performed only by licensed physicians."
"Except" which mean it could be legal.
@Beth12345 when necessary to save the mothers life
Yes and I'm not oppose to that. If there is no choice other than to abort, then it's not a pro-choice argument.
Fetus that are two weeks before fully gestation have brains, they are 38 weeks.
I admit I don’t have an interest in watching.You can be pro life for yourself. But don’t assume anyone who makes a differing choice is wrong to do so.Good day.
dislikers are telling me a lot about ur intelligence levels lol
think about it, do u remember any pain or memorys from when u was a fetus?no, becuase u didn't even have a conscious or a mind at that stage,,, its impossible for a fetus to feel pain becuase the brain is so undeveloped that they are not even yet conscious until they come into the world
How is it not alive?
@Beth12345 tell me what memory do u have of being a little fetus in a stomache?none huh? can u explain to me why?
@Beth12345 il tell u why, its because a fetus has no conscious or thoughts, thats why u have no memory of that time period,, u was not yet alive then... u dont develope conscious until u leave the vagina and enter the world, even them im not sure u have that much conscious because my earliest memory was at 2yrs old
SURE! I don't have a memory of when I was a fetus because I wasn't aware yet. Does that mean I wasn't alive? Because I don't have a memory of when I one day old, either. Do you?
No memory= not alive? really? You better not forget anything ever.
@Beth12345 thats not what im saying... ok imagine u do remember.. imagine ur alive and back in the days of being a fetus... go and scan ur brain and see whats going on in ur head... absolutely nothing because ur not yet conscious... u can't even see or think at that age, u jus see black, like before u was born... because a fetus is before u was born. so u can not feel pain then
Oh so you changed to consciousness because memory didn't work. Okay, define consciousness.
@Beth12345 anyway i was saying u dont remember anything then cos u wasn't alive then,if u forgot something when u was 6 or 7 or something thats different,, u jus forgot because u lost the memory... i was saying u dont have memory of being a fetus cos the memory never even existed.. u missed my point, so i was not wrong
When you find the definition of consciousness let me know. Because not even the biggest scholars could define it. If you ever find the definition of human consciousness, then we can talk about killing living humans. By the way, someone can be considered to be unconscious and alive at the same time.
@Beth12345 and consciousness is obviously being awake and having thoughts and seeing things around u... being a fetus is like 100 years before u was born, u see black and nothing happened.. that is exactly the same as being a fetus
So how isn't not alive?
ur probably jus gonna argue that fetus are alive and conscious jus because u think they are and want ur uneducated opinion to seem right when u have no idea if it is or not, ur jus takin a guess...whereas i actually did researched and know for a fact a fetus is not conscious, im not jus taking a wild guess and hoping im right... google "When do fetus gain conscious"AND U WILL SEE THAT IM RIIGHT
Consciousness is being awake, having thoughts and seeing things. All this things or some of this things? Because someone could be sleeping (not awake) and still alive. Some people can't see, yet they are still alive. Heck, someone people don't have what we consider "thoughts".
@Beth12345 also if u kill an already living unconscious human being thats different from killing a fetus,cos that living human being has built memorys and have loved ones and family who care about them, if u kill him or her it will piss a lot of people oof,but if u kill something that has not yet lived its the same as going into a dark room and swinging ur sword into the air and saying u jus killed 10 babies... like no u didn't,,, u killed nothing cos nothing was in that room... same thing as aborting a child
Oh I'm sorry, is that where you get your thoughts? From Google? 😂 no hon. When you search anything on google, it'll give you the most visited or exploited search it can find. The first articles are always propaganda.
You said consciousness is what makes someone alive. Now you are going back to memory and relationship. A point that I already debunked.
@Beth12345 some sites can be correct tho, the site i went onto looked like a proper scientific type page so im gonna take its word for it
@Beth12345 well what the fuck ever, alive or not, who cares? plants are alive aparently,aslong as its not conscious then it doesn't matter if u kill it cos it cannot feel pain
do u call urself a murderer when u step on plants too?
And the truth comes out. So fetus are alive, but you don't care if they are. Don't make a claim that you can't sustain. You are all over the place. First: it's not alive because not memory (debunk) then not conscious (debunk). Now it's alive but it does not feel pain. Pick a lane and stick with it...
plants don't feel pain but some people don't either.
@Beth12345 or maybe u are jus too dumb to follow the points im tryna make, im all over the place because im making many points not jus 1... being alive is very different from living retard,a plant is alive, is it living tho? no... living is when u have mind and conscious... so although a fetus is alive, it has no conscious and not living, so kill it and its the same as stepping on a plant,ur jus trying to say im all over the place and not making sense because u lost the argument, u know iv intellectually beat u in the argument of good points, and u can not think of any good points urself to back up ur side of the argument ,... so u pull some bullshit insult out of ur ass that im all over the place and not making sense lol... only the dumb people like urself won't understand me... smart people like myself will no what im saying
You are not making good point, that's why you can't stick to one. You can't defend your position, so it's much easier for you to try to insult me.
Answer the following question. Is a fetus alive?
@Beth12345 yes, alive but not living, i already said that
@Beth12345 alive the same way a plant is
@Beth12345 and u really think people will believe u that im not making good points lol?all they have to do is read these comments and everyone will see im the smarter 1 here who is right,but i mean sure, go ahead, if u wanna be stupid and think a fetus has thoughts and feels pain and is conscious in the mothers stomache then go ahead LOL,as if a little fetus is swimming around in there going "man this is so boring, i can't wait to get out"LMAO... what fuckin planet u on?>anyway i can't be bothered to argue with u any more lol, its pointless arguing with dumb people, they will never understand,i jus hope there's smart people here like me who i understand my points,im going now and i will not reply or read anything more from u, bye
It's alive but not living. 😂🙈. Okay, define living and define alive.
Alive means living. Honey.
@Beth12345 no, a plant can be alive cos it grows and drinks water, but its not living cos it has no mind or brain
I'm a gardener, I assure you plants are more aware of their surroundings then humans are. But that's another topic. Again, alive is living.
@Beth12345 lol as if plants have minds, u are obviously on some drugs lol
debating this abortion thing is obviously pointless so i think everyone whos for it should jus give up,there's more dumbasses in the world so there will always be more people going against abortion,thats jus the way it is, only a small percentage of the world are smart and see abortion for how it really is: totally fine,but dumb people won't and can't understand why its fine, so i give up explaining,maybe 1day u dumbasses will think about oneday and understand
I can't be against abortion. It's there for a lot of reasons and i don't know why people who are NOT concerned are so triggered by it.
That story is fake and you're a liar
She used baby to refer to a 38 week old fetus. I say she used the word correctly. You are just bring up a straw man.
I’m aware, and your opinion doesn’t matter. It’s still not an infant/baby until it is born. How is that a straw man?And more importantly, don’t you have something better to do hon?
I don't base beliefs on YouTube
By your definition, killing animals is also murder. Do you believe that?
Yes , to an extent of food survival that is
By that do you mean that meat is only allowed if there’s no other choice?
@weasley8 you are a vegan?
Yes , read the Bible.
the bible says to be vegan I seen that in a movie. what about milk and cheese though. I dont eat meat, but dairy fills a lot of things missing for me
Not exactly. Meat is also there too.
wait dairy is not ok? like milk and cheese?
Yes and fish too
i am going to continue drinking milk and eating cheese
Yeah. I’m vegan. I just don’t meet many vegans who also don’t support abortion. It surprised me.
@weasley8 do you feel bad when you eat plants though, I mean they were alive too.
No. They don’t feel pain. They’re alive, but not in the same way that animals are.
@weasley8 they have memory and communicate though. a fetus at a certain point will be less receptive than a plant. by the way, I do kinda agree, but where does the line get drawn
I haven’t heart that. What makes you say they have memories? And what do you mean when you say they communicate?
@weasley8 trees can communicate with other trees when there is danger, such as when someone cuts off a tree trunk of a tree, that tree will send a chemicals to the other trees to let them know. plants can also learn from experience and retain that memory. you do not need a brain to do these things, and now there is a phenomenon called ''ghost limbs'' where people with missing limbs can still feel sensations, so you dont even need actual nerves to feel things. the truth is, we dont really know how plants experience pain
Huh. In that case I would still chalk it up to being necessary for survival. I’m okay with using animal products in medicine if people don’t have a choice. I still believe that eating plants is less harmful than eating animals, and if it becomes proven that there is still some harm, I’d be okay with eating plants because it’s the least harmful option.
@weasley8 if they made completely synthetic nutrients would you take them instead of eating?
If they’d been around long enough that I knew they were healthy and didn’t cause cancer, sure. But I don’t see how that would be possible. I’m very skeptical of artificial food products. I won’t eat anything with food coloring, preservatives, GMOs, etc. So it would have to be pretty well proven for me to trust it. I’m kind of paranoid about things like that, and something that artificial would be completely unprecedented. And I’d also have to consider the environmental impact. That’s another reason that I’m vegan, instead of vegetarian. Honestly it’s the main reason, because no-kill dairy farms are absolutely awful for the environment. To my knowledge, with most artificial meat products, the energy expended to produce them has a much larger impact than just eating plants. And I’m pretty sure they use plants. To create food from something that isn’t alive would be a huge experiment, and would require enormous amounts of energy.
At 38 weeks, an abortion isn't necessarily no matter what the circumstances are, they could deliver the baby early. There is no need to kill it.