Actually there wound up to be a lot of problems with Hmong gangs in the US. Many were rural uneducated people who had a lot of difficulty adjusting to life in the US, and even more so dealing with their children.
@zagor Oh for sure, I've read "The Spirit Catches You...", and I know that a lot of Hmong groups cause issues when assimilating to a culture where they literally thought "Giants" lived. But if our government involves an ethnic group in a proxy war, and that ethnic group ends up getting genocided because of it, don't you think it's our responsibility to help them out? Regardless of the consequences? Isn't that just "honorable"? Does that count for nothing anymore? By the way, most Hmong were reloctated to Montana, Minnesota and Wisconsin, where there is not a lot of gang violence. So your argument doesn't even stand on that merit.
Bomb the shut out of other countries, then dump their resentful, impoverished, angry citizens into American neighborhoods. Great recipe for social stability. Thanks Uncle Sam!
@gemgem That's a very deceptive, over-simplified way to frame things.
Actually it introduced gangs to areas where they were almost unknown. And in California's Central Valley, where a lot of them wound up, it greatly worsened existing gang problems.
@zagor Oh yes, I forgot, there was never any gang violence in Central California before the Hmong got there.Before they came the United States the Hmong were shamanistic hill folk who hunted and waged war with crossbows. Do you think it was their influence on the United States or the United States' influence on them? It also prevented them from being genocided after we gave these crossbowmen M-16s and involved them in a proxy war against communism.
Obviously it was the US influence on them. Which is why BOTH would be better off if they had stayed in Laos.
I hate saying this because i actually despise my home nations views but japan being xenophobic and very hard to immigrate too is helping its economy.
First off not taking in refugees violates the international treaty on refugees signed by the US. Additionally, it violates their own domestic laws, so so much for a country run by laws, because it obviously doesn't have a problem breaking them. Refugees aren't illegal immigrants. Yes, they can harm the country, but many come because they need work and can't get in legally. Of those who can get in legally they often get green cards. Those with green cards often over stay (40% of illegal refugees) because they need th money and may not be able to come back to work. If the US had a more open boarder they could have more legal refugees and collect taxes on that.Legal refugees actually help the US. The agricultural industry would be trash without them in addition to a few others. Not having refugees do that work that US citizens don't want to do would require the price of food to go way above what most can afford, and potentially mean that you would have to import more from other countries. Additionally, immigrants send lots of money home. That money helps improve the countries economy that they came from, which in turn help the US as they can buy more goods from the US.Refugees are well screened, so the only potential one would be if they are running from their countries government, and they could still be let in under the right circumstances. Eg. Unjust laws.
"Most people of the country" really because if I recall he didn't win the majority and about half the country didn't even vote.How did countries f themselves. Can you explain?Japan has an insane debt right now. The only reason they are okay at all is because most of that debt is held within its own country. They have an aging population with fewer kids being born. Basically without immigration they won't have the funs to support the aging population. Most countries actually take in immigrants to help with this problem. Japan is finally trying to get people to come back to japan. They are having special incentives for Japanese people who left and even their children. The down side to this is that many in the country even take negatively to those who left their country to live somewhere else so many aren't comming back.
It was never ratified by the Senate, it therefore is NOT a US treaty. Cloward and Piven will fail, give it up.
And under what act and statue is that true? The United States isn’t right next to them now is it. That only covers for the refugees to go to the nearest country to them, which the United States is not.
Mexico, and any country in south America can come to the US if the nearest country isn't good enough. By your logic Canada wouldn't need to take any it, but apparently they have to take lots in from the US because trump is an idiot.It is a agreement most developed countries follow. The US has followed it for countless years with the exception of trump. Additionally "The duty not to return a person to a state where they may face torture or other serious harms is absolute under the UN’s Convention Against Torture. The US has signed and ratified this convention."
@WalkingCorpse you know your a racist and unwelcome
Once again the Senate didn't ratify that treaty so its not a treaty. The fact that past presidents followed it jus shows how corrupt they are. As for the UN treaty on torture, in 99% of cases there is no proof they would face "torture or serious harm". Just because someone shows up illegally doesn't mean that you have to let them in!
Did you not read the last bit where I said they did ratify it? Lol
Sorry I only read the first sentence. Lol. People seeking refuge status are required to plead their case and from there they are either approved or denied. Thus, they are proven. You have to let them in until you can give them a chance to plead their case.
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This is a good place to start. Iran and Guatemala too.
Yup, we Canadians just did something similar to Honduras too I believe
Then there’s China on the other hand forcing predatory loans on them... poor guys are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Obviously covid is a scenario where fewer should come in, but pandemics are beyond the scope of my comment
Omg — this response literally says “screw facts — I use feelings as my guide.”
Immigrants, NOT illegals.
They don't technically fall under refuge status.
@nathanp97 Yes but, unfortunately, a lot of people like to call most migrants "refugees".
Only people on the right really do that. It helps them make refugees look bad, which aids in their goal to stop immigrants and refugees. It lets them take the worst parts of one and mix them together to create distrust and hatred/fear of them.
@nathanp97 who in their right mind would want refugees here UNLESS you just wanna recreate your homeland on the land my ancestors gave their blood for and turned from a third world Stone Age culture into the greatest superpower in the history of man — yeah, that wasn’t an equal opportunity/politically correct event
Oh, so you're a native American, or were your ancestors slaves? It isn't a matter of wanting refugees it is a matter of human decency to take them in. How is the US the greatest country. Your military can't keep up with Russia. Your education is crap compared to other countries. i think one of the only things the US leads in is obesity.
@nathanp97 From my own experience, it's actually mostly the left that call migrants refugees to bait pity from people. I don't mind hosting refugees until they can come back home once the turmoil dies down but migrants is a whole different story. Migrants are coming there out of interest, not to save their lives. Even then, nothing should force you to take in refugees, to take responsibilities for disasters that were not your own doing.
@nathanp97 my ancestors settled bad built the country. “Native Americans” did not build the United States. In fact, the United States nearly decimated them — I am not condoning that, I just want your facts to be correct. Our military can’t keep up with Russia? Under what metric? Our education is crap? I guess that’s why students all over the world come to OUR universities, which are the best in the world. Our primary education isn’t great but is not uniformly bad either. And our overall rates of obesity are not something to be proud of, but they are also not uniformly bad. We are the greatest historically in our massive contribution to mankind and our historic freeing of man to make his own path to prosperity instead of treating him like a baby and taking care of him. People are dying to come in here because of our massive wealth and lifestyle which they could never produce on their own.
YHL, I disagree. You may be confusing people seaking refugee status and those who are refugees. Some people claim they are refugees to get into a country, but if the standards aren't ment they dont become refugees. You do realize many immigrants come her to get make money to send back home. They often do work no one else will do, and actually benefit the economy. We have laws that require you to help people who are drowning, etc... by at least calling for help. Why would this law not be held on a bigger scale? I believe I've already talked about why the US and many other countries have a responsibility to take them in, right?
Native were here first, so technically you built the country on their land. Notice how you didn't mention the slaves, and how they did a lot more work then you are claiming your ancestors did. More rockets, more artillery more nukes. Ranked 27th in healthcare and education. The US didn't produce their massive wealth on their own they took it from others. The US has arguably the biggest gap between the poor and wealthy. You say that freeing man to achieve his own prosperity, yet it isn't a fair raise when some people start from a wealthy family and others come from the bottom. The US may have freed people but they haven't made it a fair race. Your universities may be good, but they are insanely expensive and often only allow the top students or the ones with the most money. You can't say your education system is the best when so many people can't even afford college, have to drop out of high school help put food on the table, and when you have such a disparity between quality education bases solely on where you live within a state for elementary school and high schools. I think the US leads in numbers of people behind bars though. 😂This video, although from a tv show, may help www.google.com/search
@nathanp97 That's my problem, many economic migrants are called "refugees" by people who are usually left leaning and I hate that deliberate incorrect usage of the term to bait pity.Well, we have very high unemployment rates so why would we need more people seeking for work? Don't tell me that there are jobs nobody wants to do, that's false. There will always be people who will apply for basic jobs because that's their only alternative.Well, I agree that it's good to rescue people in immediate danger but migrants (or, more precisely, the human traffickers) would abuse this by purposely putting themselves into dangerous situations so that they are rescued so I don't believe we should. In my opinion, they should do it the legit way by applying for the refugee status to see if they truly are refugees and if we can afford to help them.Also, "sending money back home" is leaking money out of the country, it's absorbing money from an economy without reinjecting it into the system, which contributes to slowly eroding the economy in my opinion.
So many Americans would want to work only during harvesting season for extremely long hours, little pay and hard work. Ya, right. The only way people would do that is if the pay was way bigger and the job was fill time, nor just for a few months. If they raised the labor costs the food would be way more expensive. You should Google some of the benefits to immigrants. You say they leak money out of the economy, yet I'd imagine way more is leaked when people travel or buy things out of country. Besides when immigrants do it it benefits lost of people back home and then they can get out of poverty and start making some money and buying some things, which mean more potential to buy American products.
@nathanp97 Well, I'm not talking about the USA necessarily, I mainly base my opinions on my own country and I don't think we have such problems here.Do you honestly believe that people travel and buy abroad that often? Most people are not that rich. Besides, this is balanced by the fact that outsiders do the same, visit your country and buy things here. I believe a constant leak of money is bigger than a spontaneous one.
So before covid it was okay? The US employment rate to mu knowledge was below 5%. At the moment it may be a little different, but it should recover. And technically the US technically is violating the international treaty on refugees and there own demestic law by not taking in refugees.
@nathanp97 because of covid, people should not be traveling internationally until it's under control.Oh the unemployment rate is WAY higher than that now
If they self isolate for a few weeks they are fine. You can't say no to people that very well might be dead by the time covid ends if they don't get help. As I said it likely is higher than that. However, it will likely recover and more people means more people to buy more goods which can help the economy shoot back.
@nathanp97 why will they be dead if they don't get help? There's no cure anywhere.How do you think the economy will recover? Many businesses have folded. I'm skeptical on this
Bud, I'm talking about refugees that need to flee their country for various reasons. Many may need to do so so they aren't killed. Thar has nothing to do with covid and they can be isolated for 2 weeks so they don't get anyone else sick.It recovered from the dirty 30s it can do the same thing again. The economy might take a hit now, but it always recover. There are various ways the government can get it up and running again.
Don't you see? YOU as an evil American citizen MUST give up all your rights and be under House Arrest because "virus" but the illegals which are called "refugees" in many cases get to go WHEREVER THE FUCK THEY WANT! Democrats in 2020!
True refugees aren't illegal immigrants. It is impossible in the US despite what trump may say. They don't get to go where they want they get to escape a country so they can continue living without constant fear of death.
@nathanp97 which countries are these? And why do they want to come here in the condition our country is now? Even Mexicans don't want to be here anymore. What about Canada and Mexico? It's much easier to get into those countries
Yea that is why Illegals are still pouring across the southern border? Because they "don't want to come here"? As for going to Mexico, go there illegally, demand voting rights, free college, and free healthcare and see what happens!
@genuinlysensitive they aren't coming in as much as they used to. Yes, Mexico has their own problems, but so did we and we had to fight for our freedom through revolutions, so maybe it's time they organize and start their own militia.I'm sorry, but Mexico isn't as bad as Afghanistan and we allow more illegal Mexicans in our country than we help Afghan refugees
@genuinlysensitive we don't get free college or healthcare either lol
Illegal immigrants and refugees aren't the same thing. The situation is very different from what the US went through. And the solution is to bring people out of poverty, so I dont see how a militia will do anything
@nathanp97 and what's causing poverty? Corrupt government and the cartel
"We can't help people from other countries, we have to help people in our country first!""Then let's help people in our country.""NO! That's socialism!
I'd prefer 10 or 20 years.
... If you search Youtube under 'refuges', you will see why they are being pushed to other countries. Look for the ones entitled "5000" and "flood gates"
longman you remember me?
@888theGreat - don’t recognize the photo but do the age
@888theGreat - Yes how have you been
living , you still in asia?
@888theGreat no moved back to the USA
I see , how long were you away?
@888theGreat January 2016 to June 2019
I actually didn't see that.
I guess you’ve been living under a rock.
Which country did they destroy?
France. They have no go zones there for their special refugees and their sharia law. Mass immigration into a country, where the immigrants don’t assimilate is not gonna work out long story short.
Yeah, I've been to France. It's doing fine, so you're wrong. You probably should stop believing everything you hear so you don't sound like a hysterical little girl. The United States has Flint, SPA6 and certain parts of Chicago. It doesn't mean the nation is "destroyed", even though I'm sure saying that feels nice for you since it makes you feel like your philosophy is justified.
What philosophy would that be my kind sir? I disagree having a bunch of refugees come in wreaks havoc on countries but believe what you want you world traveler.
I'm so sick of pussies like you who can't just admit that you are afraid, so you have to twist facts until they break because reality doesn't justify your paranoia. I'm done talking to you. Grow up and let your balls drop you fucking coward.
Lol alright buddy.
And I understand the first person that you deceive is yourself, but you really need to get a handle on your biases. Truth doesn't exist anymore because of people like you who can't just admit that you're fears aren't rational when they're compared to the reality that actually exists.
Okay. Whatever you say:
Sorry I didn't read any of your response, I just meant to hit you with three in a row, but don't try that "my kind sir" bull-shit either. Your first response was "You've been living under a rock", and then you proceeded to keep that condescending, know-it-all tone through-out the rest of it as well, so you don't get to claim you're the calm, rational one. Your knowledge is based on things you read on the internet, mine is based on first-hand experience and a degree in economics. Your ignorance does not justify your tone.
And the philosophy is, "We need to preserve our national purity from foreign influences." Cut the tactical stupidity
Alrighty then. You know it all. I give up.
You're still trying to claim some sort of rationality, when you're expertise exclusively involves sitting behind a computer screen and believing what other people like Alex Jones tell you. Like most conservatives, you're unable to imagine a world that doesn't exist in front of your fucking face.
I just want to point out to anyone who is paying attention, that anyone who acts like this, doesn't know what they're talking about. Whenever someone comes along who DOES know what they're talking about, the only tactic people like this have is to shut down conversation. This man knows nothing about what he is talking about, despite his auspices to the contrary. His purpose is to advance a political narrative without any relevant knowledge (notice he has not displayed any). He is nothing but a partisan. Please do not listen to him, or men like him. They know not of what they speak. They have a philosophy, not facts.
He'll probably post some smart-ass remark, but at the end of it all, it isn't an argument, just an attempt to appear witty.
Do you guys hear something? Neither do I.
That was as sad as it was predictable.
Damn. That buzzing noise is really starting to get annoying.
That is bullshit
@hknmhmn4 Well you are bullshit boy
I knew that some Americans are really idiots
Yeah We all love more traffic, more pollution, more environmental degradation, higher prices for housing and more competition for precious resources
@joesheks none of those things are an actual issue. It's only an issue in highly populated areas. A state like Montana or South Dakota has plenty of room.
Because none of that land is needed for things like food and turning North Dakota into New York would be an improvement right?
@joesheks yes, turning North Dakota into New York would be a huge improvement. They would get more universities and more income.
Not when they're idiots. Talk to US soldiers who had to train Iraqi security forces...
It’s like saying since the bacteria in our gut are good, all bacteria must be good. This is what happens when you lose the ability to discriminate. Every steak tastes the same
So you wouldn't have a problem with them not being able to be on welfare. After all they are all "profesional smart people for industry and entrepreneurs"
@genuinlysensitive Dude don't take it personally but 95% of students of higher education are immigrants and 90-80%(Google, Youtube, Intel, AMD) of high end jobs are even performed by them BUT US has turned in to shit hole under Trump cuz he managed to scare-off that educated and trained people,Their native countries were very happy to take them back and majority of white US citizen are trained/raised to work low end jobs like flip burgers and wash cars and you can't expect them to do anything related to high lvl research.That's what China did to US and now look at them growing like crazy with US going downhill cuz people and immigrants are leaving due to racism trash. I can understand some people can call black people out but now Trump has managed to scare off Asian scientist due to "Trash truck driver" angry at PHD Asian for stealing his Job.They were bearing US cuz of their citizens now everybody want to kick US/West imports out of their country with SEA countries leading world order,I am not fan of Communism but if its EVIL PROPAGANDA... then what about the US-best country shit PROPAGANDA with ancient infrastructure using Windows Xp and floppy disk for power management.
@genuinlysensitive I am going to graduate from US this year with MD degree (doctor) but whenever I have to sit next to my Asian colleagues or even Eastern ones they are better than our college in every aspect.I am offered citizenship but I am not going to sit around and waste my life in dying system and society WHY?cuz US right now is bloated piece of shit and ego with countries like North Korea showing Middle finger to them, its doomed to fail and their is no saving it from itself.
I "was" and dude I would recommend you to have higher standards and goals if you are complaining about some low end labor Job...
All I was saying is that there are a real need for unskilled people to work ceartain industries. Also we have reduced legal immigration for highly intelligent highly educated professionals as well. I have said for quite awhile immigrants ruining your way of life that must be tough, said the Indian chief. I am not anti imigration.
Dude I am hating but like I said "Asians are doing tech work" and white people being dominant in US are unskilled labor which un-fortunately is doing low end jobs and account for 90% of un-Skilled labor after passing their High School.I never understood US blocking educated immigrants like Engineers and M-Phil students... you guys first allow them to account for 95% of Uni population then trolls like Trump kick them out... of course with their High lvl of education Asian countries where actual production of 90% of Trade-goods take place will accept them and pay them well.I am not anti-white but your HIGH SCHOOL SYSTEM IS FUCKED designed to raise un-skilled stupid people with mentality to work low end jobs... while we are told to get higher education overseas's and return for high end Jobs. I mean even Eu have better system and whole Activist/movement thing is another troll with people passing with Bachelor in Gender studies and female rights... WHAT?There is no market/Jobs available for those things right now apart from trolling Male population and it happening when Asian uni's have already caught-up to West and only thing we have is OLD-FAME-CROWN even that's being taken away.Just look at West failure to contain Crona Virus with those claims of SUPERIORITY and we are begging Asian countries that have Successfully controlled it with very low mortality for mask and equipment.Not a single Western country is able to control and virus did as much damage as possible before ending due to its natural course... we were told our food and immunity is best and everything is packaged and graded.Just look at us dying like flies and I tried to get out (save myself) by trying to return to my home country but your stupid gov caught me and forced me to save "White extremist" that harass my roommates daily for being Korean mistaken for Chinese... that's their fate
"The West's Failure to contain Corona Virus" I think we have a genuine Chi Com troll on our hands! How much do you get paid Alpha? 50 cents a post? I bet you make out like a Communist Bandit!
@genuinlysensitive Dude virus is roaming free in West and unlike your scum ass I really do care about the situation... I make more than you would make in 7 years and I don't need anyone's money. Yes west has failed miserably to contain the Virus and your trolling is not gona change that and world will remember you for that... bye
Bye Communist Bandit. Enjoy another 50 cents!
@genuinlysensitive I can fuck your MoM with that amount of Cash... or through them on her like cent bills when She wiggles that saggy ass on Pole in strip club... bye
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