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Antifa has nothing to do with anarchy
@Shanalien The black flag in the antifa logo literally stands for anarchy
@-Asca- yeah but the idiots holding that flag don’t understand the meaning of the symbol or the related word, they are for a society without property rights for fucks sake, and property rights are the literal foundation of anarchy, anarchy is property rights to the extreme, you own 100% of what you produce, no taxes, no ruler, no masters slaves or serfs
@Shamalien there will always be people who desire power over others. You will never have a true libertarian utopia. Before then you will have gangs and mobs taking everything you own with no police to stop them.
@Shamalien What the hell anarchy has absolutely nothing to do with property rights.
@-Asca- kid, you don't know shit. I can teach you, if you want to learn, pm me. I have studied anarchy for years. An, the greek prefix for anti. Monarch means mono-ruler, one ruler. An arch means anti ruler. No rulers. In the absence of a ruling class, you own everything you own, your body, your property, etc. This is all logical. I don't know what you've been reading, the term anarchist has been destroyed, but this is what it means. No masters, no slaves, no government, no taxation. By default you own everything you own, your property belongs to you. Anarchy has EVERYTHING to do with property rights
@ManHater im not some stupid kid who's promising you utopia. I am after truth and natural order. To go from where we are now to anarchy could involve some serious power imbalances, but it will never have the mind control of the state behind it, and all powers will fall. Eliminate the idea of rulers, masters, man made law from peoples minds and you will never have the kind of control system we live as subjects under today. I don't care what happens, I don't care if everyone including me dies, there is a right way to live and a wrong way to live, and if you think you can achieve a good society on the premise of theft (taxation) then you are a naive child
@Shamalien I'm sorry, but Shamalien is the only one right here. I agree you should try to find out more about anarchy before you keep talking.
@Shamalien In order to own your labour and with it "100% of what you produce" the means of production being owned by an oligarch who doesn't contribute anything to society at all and stealing the fruits of people's labor cannot be possible. Anarchy just means the absence of hierarchy, it really has absolutely nothing to do with property per se. And hierarchy does not only exist in the form of governments taxing you.Anarchy cannot possibly involve "serious power imbalances", that is literally the opposite of what anarchy means. Wage theft is theft just as taxes are, that's why taxing the super rich (in the current system) is really just the majority of people stealing back what was stolen from them.
@-Asca- holy fuck kid stop reading marx and get a grip on reality. I cannot help you, your mind has been taken, I'd have to redefine a bunch of terms and lay so much groundwork to even make the tiniest bit of progress. Of course anarchy involves power imbalances, the difference is that nobody has AUTHORITY over anybody else (except perhaps your own children)Don't even talk about 'the means of production' to me. You don't know wtf you are talking about. Anyone is free to start their own factory with their own sweat and blood, or make items by hand if they so choose. Anyone is free to trade with whomever is willing to trade with them in order to get the materials necessary to form their own means of production.I'm just treading air here. There's no point with you, the marxists FUCKED your little head. I wanna try and help but the shit you are typing is just ancient rhetoric I've dissolved a thousand times and I just don't have the patience anymore. to understand anarchy as 'the absence of hierarchy is not just a gross oversimplification, it actually kind of misses the point entirely. Anarchy is the absence of RULERS, not natural, merit based hierarchy. Some will be prettier than others, some will be smarter than others, some will produce more and thus they will earn more, and they will be entitled to those fruits, regardless of how poor those around them are. If this sounds 'cold hearted' to you, then you are under mind control. Anytime a sliver of true free market, free enterprise has existed in society, it's lifted more people out of poverty than ever before. If you want to truly understand anarchy, you should know that it is 100% the polar opposite of communism. 100% polar fucking opposite. We need to redefine some terms here. First of all, can you, in your own words, explain the difference to me between communism and capitalism? Actually forget communism, I already know you know what that load of trash is, I want you to define capitalism for me.
@Shamalien You sound like a terrorist willing to die for anarchy. You going to blow up a building?
@ManHater your brain is fucked beyond repair, I'd buy you a gift card to retard rehab if I could afford itbut that would be a hefty bill... lots of tough work ahead. I believe in you though... you can make it. Just really give it your all. For the record, anarchy has nothing to do with blowing up buildings, you're a fking retard if that's the conclusion you come to after what I've said, don't do drugs of any kind, you need all the braincells you have left
Anarcho communism is just communism, its not anarchy at all
Communism is anarchy as it implies a classless society.
Oh ya your a real expert XD holy fuck man you need to educate yourself, seriously.Do you really believe that communism is a classless society? Communism is based around the centralization of power, it is a form of totalitarian government, and anarchy necessitates the elimination of the state in its entirety. How can you reconcile these two opposite extremes? You’ve soaked up too much communist propaganda. There’s nothing ‘classless’ about centralizing wealth to an all powerful ruling class, no matter their claims that they will make everything ‘equal’
Like I can wear a peace symbol while shooting up a school, does that make me a peace advocate? “The fascists of the future will call themselves anti fascists”
@Shamalien Communism is partly defined by a classless society, that is the main goal to be achieved by it. No classless society means no communism. Totalitarian forces falsely calling themselves communist (as well as democratic). Syndicalism is a way to achieve communism without a government, the soviet union does not prove that communism means a totalitarian centralized government, totalitarianism is what is mutually exclusive with anarchy, communism is not. It's merely an economic system. Fascist Italy was capitalist, yet capitalism doesn't necessarily have to be totalitarian either, you see?You can wear a peace symbol while shooting up a school, and you can call a country "democratic" and "socialist" and at the same time distegard any part of the definition of communism after Marx as you wish. Not putting the workers in control of the means of production, but instead putting a sole dictator in charge obviously does not work when you're trying to a achieve communism. So what are the anti-fascists of the future call themselves? Fascists?