Those of you who averse to criticism of Black Lives Matter. Take the time to read this person's answer please.
Absolutely the most insightful criticism I’ve ever read about BLM. I want to plagiarize this. Forgive me sir if I don’t pay royalties but your word will gain prominence. I hope you are an editor and/or author.
Too much flowery language to impress unintelligent people and too little data sources, "the catharsis that comes with seeking vengeance" what is this the opening of a soap opera? lol do I need to read this in Morgan Freeman voice? "schematic ideology" lmao where is this term copied from, I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean what the poster thinks it means.If you just look for examples that confirm your prior belief you could criticize any political view or even successful scientific theories while not understanding anything about them, just repeat the same rhetorics by other people with similar view, it's not really hard to seek out such views with an internet connection. Ironically that's exactly "slogans substitute for thought". What actually requires thinking is to look at the cases that contradict your belief and analyze their consequences. I don't see any of that here. The irony of a populist post criticizing populism.
@youknowbetter Thanks for your kind compliment. As a matter of fact, I have worked in politics for 30 years and have been published - either under my own name or that of my employer - in The Washington Post, the Washington Times, the Orlando Sentinel, the New York City Tribune (now defunct) as well as a number of smaller publications. So I do have just a little experience.Anyhow, thanks for your generous remarks.
@betaTester You would have put Shakespeare and Lincoln out of business. A very unusual argument you are making - just not a substantive rebuttal. As to my argument being populist - hardly. Unless you regard mob rule as being elitist.
@Electric_Dreams Thank you for your very generous remarks.
@supercutebutt A very snappy retort. Didn't ask if anyone cared. The purpose of the site being to post arguments and discuss them. Not to engage feelings but intellect. However, given your criteria, I sense that it would have been a pointless exercise either way.
@nightdrot I would like to work with you on publishing a take based ALL on facts about this. All sides.
Also @nightdrot don’t pay attention to super cute butt. From what I’ve seen she’s a walking talking poster girl for the radical left. She’s afraid of logic and reasoning.
@youknowbetter To take your second posting, first, that is quiet all right. You get varying degrees on this site and you could - honestly - sense that perhaps she was not a deep thinker on these questions. Her posting amounting to little more substantively than a "nyah, nyah."As to your first posting, I don't quite follow what you are asking. I certainly don't want to turn you away, but I am a political consultant, working from a home office and I use this site as a place to express my views anonymously so as not to compromise my clients. Also, I have a family.Long story short, I am on this site as a hobby and I don't have a ton of time. In fact, I have tried to post 6 opinions - of some length - a day, but just in the last week you will see I have started to fall behind on that goal. So if you give me some idea what you have in mind in more detail, I would be happy to see what I can do. However, I can make you no promises. Truly, I would be happy to help, but I hope you will understand that I have prior obligations.
I respect your time. Please follow me back and I’ll run my idea by you. I’m just looking for level headed contributors to put together a medium article. I want it to be factual, well balanced and easily digestible. I’m absolutely not expecting you to devote anything beyond your already strained schedule. I’m also seeking out level headed contributors from the left. Easier said than done. But anyway.
@youknowbetter Happy to do so. Also, be advised that - as my poor and very long suffering girlfriend will attest under oath - that I am as technobackward as they come. (I basically view my computer as a dangerous wild animal that somehow crawled in a window and sat down at my desk and snarls at me.) So you may have to nurse me through some tech stuff if it comes to that. Also, I may be more out of pocket this weekend than not. So please allow for that as well. (Indeed, it just so happened that I had to get on the computer for other reasons and saw both your messages.)
I need to organize this appropriately. I need level headed people on both sides of the fence.
@youknowbetter Happy to help. I have "followed" and sent you a message. Chat soon.
I advise the two ladies who downvoted my response to go ahead and read nightdrot's answer. It's big so you can't really miss it. He put it much better than myself, he knows what he's talking about. I think he understands the complexities of this issue much better than most people from what I can see, and that does include myself.Also I am a little disappointed to see downvotes considering that I'm trying to bring attention to the vitriolic disrespect for retired police chief David Dorn inherent in the blatantly obvious burial/suppression of his murder, the reason for which I theorise has something to do with the skin colour of his murderers (.. they murdered him because they were stealing televisions.. and he tried to stop them). Look I understand that many Black Lives Matter supporters seem incapable or unwilling to accept or even allow without outrage any criticism of Black Lives Matter, fine suppress a debate that's fine but I can tell you what we should not have to debate or disagree upon and that is the horrifying sadness and devastation caused by the murder of a 77 year old former police chief by looters stealing televisions (where all people involved were black just to be clear.. because I suppose that's relevant somehow.. even though it shouldn't be). I'm trying to talk about this and fight against its' burial as a news story, and I'm downvoted. It looks bad ladies; good job downvotes are anonymous so no one can see who you are.
"alL lIvEs mAttEr" who said they didn't, like literally no one has said " only black people matter in this world". I'm not gonna go into stats bc I'm bad at it so here's a site https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
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You don’t believe anything you typed. Your just venting because your losing your racist war 😂 the day is coming and it will arrive soon. Change scaring you in ways you have not anticipated. You can’t even shoot up schools with all this madness.
Do your research about what BML movement actually means
@greengrove : Cute reeeing. But you're not psychic. And me wanting to stop these lawless ghouls doesn't make me racist. Epic fail.
@greengrove : Ask the black guy running a BBQ stand that they shot dead in cold blood, simply because he served some to cops who were trying to restore order. Don't lecture me; lecture the victims of rioter violence! Tell THEM that it isn't happening! Coward!
@VdoubleUp : The political movement funded by Soros has only one goal: restore Nimrod's Babel as it was before, one world government - and force Sodom and Gomorrah values on the entire world, including Antarctica, so that there is no such thing as existence outside their domain. They want to be God.
Where did you get those facts?
The vast majority of the BLM crowd consist of hopelessly misguided, indoctrinated, brainwashed, feelings-over-facts inhabitants of Plato's Cave.
@stickytoes he pulled it out of his moms hole. It's all false.
@stickytoes The sources are listed on the pictures themselves, smart one.
@amy654 George Floyd went to prison for 5 years for breaking into a woman's home and holding her at gunpoint while he robbed her. She was pregnant and testified that he pointed the gun directly at her stomach. That's who you're crying about. Real nice guy. I'm sure you'd love to meet a nice guy like that, and I think maybe someday you will.
That last one is definitely fake, I'm not sure about the rest. But were talking about racism here and the stories of how these black victims were killed. Obviously police shoot whites too, but only if they really have to. I'm sure you've never feared for your life while just talking to an officer, as long as you do what they say I'm sure you feel safe. George floyd was suffocated to death by a police officer after trying to buy a pack of cigarettes with what the cashier thought was a fake note inside a store in Minneapolis, however it hasn't even been proven whether the note was actually fake or not. He was a regular at this store and known by the owner, a friendly face there. For this, he was pinned down by his neck so hard he could not breath. He screamed "I can't breath" for 6 minutes while on the floor, until he became unresponsive and the officer continued to suffocate him for a further 3 minutes after this. A good man, killed - by the very people we trust to protect this country. They are murderers, protected by the badges they wear and we as people can't be blind sighted by the media anymore.Please educate yourself further
His autopsy revealed no signs of asphyxiation or suffocation, no injuries to his neck, throat, jaw, or face. It did reveal however that he was on meth and fentanyl at the time of his death and both of those drugs, especially fentanyl, can lead to heart and breathing difficulties, ESPECIALLY if a person already has a heart condition, and Floyd had TWO pre-existing heart conditions, making it pretty stupid for him to start a fight with cops who were trying to peacefully arrest him. Just because you get scared around cops doesn't give you a magical pass to resist arrest, sorry, but that's just not how the world works. It may also interest you to know that George Floyd was recently released from a five year stint in prison for breaking into a woman's home and holding her at gunpoint while he robbed her. She was also pregnant at the time and testified that he had pointed the gun at her stomach to intimidate her. So that's who you're crying about, thinking that he's some poor innocent victim.
Correction. BLM arose from the Trayvon Martin case. It simply got mainstream attention during Michael Brown. Regardless of its origin. The message is valid. Eric Garner, George Floyd, Tamir Rice, Philando Castile, and so many others did not need to die but they did. Groups like BLM are needed to protest these deaths and to remind the establishment that they are not above scrutiny and accountability. Without BLM whose going to protest these death? You? doubt it very much.
Skyscrapper girl, any decent human being will protest defending their lives because no matter what color you are, they remain human beings, it's not something that belongs only to black people, a man have been murdered so it's the case of every decent human being and not just the black ones... we should be above this! Colors and races cause they are all human beings!
How is black lives matter “Anti white” Do you know how you sound
I think that is enough examples of attempted oppression and hatred.
So your argument is It’s wrong for black people to want white people to suffer how they’ve suffered That’s your argument?
@JayLiche My argument is that i oppose any movement that is trying to oppress others regardless of intent. But i'd agree with your statement as well, they should not want to make people suffer that is not what good beings do.
Your argument should be“Nobody deserves to suffer by the hands of any human for no apparent reason” “Let’s protect those who are suffering”
@JayLiche “Nobody deserves to suffer by the hands of any human for no apparent reason”I agree with that one, which is why i am against some of the stuff black lives matter is doing.“Let’s protect those who are suffering”Within reason i'd agree with that as well, it has to be sensible of course.
Black om black crime isn't a thing. it's just crime. Also most crimes committed by black people against black people isn't based in racism
It's not only a 'thing', it is the single biggest threat to black life in this country. 50% of the homicides in this country are committed by young black men. And instead of helping them be better and helping their victims stay safe, BLM only focuses on the comparatively few deaths of black people from white cops. Only 9 happened last year. Each one is horrible, but it's far less than black on black crime. So if BLM believed black lives matter, then they wouldn't be so hyper focused on such a small number of tragedies instead of the far more significant number of tragedies facing black people, all while proclaiming that they are here to help all black people.
Go look at the fbi statistics since i can't post them here. Most violent crimes are committed by white people. It's a gross and incorrect thing to say that most homocides are committed by black people. Blm focuses on police brutality against the black community. Not white police hurting black people. I don't know why you're so hell bent on hating blm but more power to you, i guess.
Hate them? Not, you read that into what I was saying, but I don't feel that way.I appreciate you suggesting to look up the statistics. If you do, you will see that black commit more violent crime per capita than other races, and almost 50% of the homicides. Most of those being against other blacks. So my point standsLook, the fact that this is true is sad, but pretending it's not just keeps the problem going. How about we actually help them, instead of ignoring the facts?
@Grond21 I agree with you. In my city, three black teens were killed in a month. Guess who killed them? Other black teens. Yet nobody spoke out. However, after George Floyd's murder, they're outside, holding BLM signs and "stop killing black people" signs. They weren't holding these signs when black people killed black people. I'm talking about people in my city when I say "they."
Yes, all lives do matter, but police brutality is aimed exceptionally aimed towards black people. Obviously police shoot whites too, but only if they really have to. I'm sure you've never feared for your life while just talking to an officer, as long as you do what they say I'm sure you feel safe. But there are black people out there basically being murdered by police. Police kill them for no good reason, and target them because of the colour of their skin. George floyd was suffocated to death by a police officer after trying to buy a pack of cigarettes with what the cashier thought was a fake note inside a store in Minneapolis, however it hasn't been proven whether the note was actually fake or not. He was a regular at this store and known by the owner, a friendly face there. For this, he was pinned down by his neck so hard he could not breath. He screamed "I can't breath" for 6 minutes while on the floor, until he became unresponsive and the officer continued the suffocate him for a further 3 minutes after this. A good man, killed - by the very people we trust to protect this country. They are murderers, protected by the badges they wear and we as people can't be blind sighted by the media and all the lies anymore. This problem is very real, black people ARE targeted, way more than whites ever have been. Please educate yourself. Us white people have been privileged for so long, this is not our battle to fight, it's a battle that we must support, we must stand by black peoples side without taking the spotlight this one time to make a stand and change the way things are for good.
I do not feel safe around cops & you're proving my point further by assuming I do simply because I am white. You don't know any of the experiences I've had. Its ignorant to assume anything based off race & it doesn't help your argument at all. Once again, divide. & interesting that you tell me to educate myself yet claim George floyd was a "GOOD MAN". Do you not read anything about this? Look into Georges record. Literally a single google search will provide you with all kinds of evidence to the contrary. Now does this justify his murder? Of course not but you also need to educate yourself before you act so high and mighty. George floyd was a terrible man who also targeted BLACK people in his crimes. A pregnant black woman to be specific. Now do you think that was racially motivated? No. You cannot assume just because a crime is committed between two people of different races that it is always racially motivated. This cop &George had worked together, they knew each other. There could be many other factors which lead to this, just as that is very possible in other police brutality cases. You have to look at the evidence with every case in these things before you start crying out racism. It is not always that simple. Sometimes it is, but like I said, look at other possibilities before you decide something so intense. It is always a bad thing to murder people. On every side. This doesn't justify blacks beating the life out of innocent white people for simply being white and trying to defend their businesses that have had nothing to do with this killing. Black people are not only victims in this. My mother has been terrified to leave the house because she doesn't want to get car jacked and beaten because of her race. she's the least racist person I have ever known. has nothing to do with any of this mess yet she is in fear for her life. Don't you think THAT matters too? Or does it not because she has not specifically been targeted by COPS
that cop is not holding a gun
I know what it is lol but not everybody's going to know what I'm talking about if I just stated the model of that grenade launcher which probably had tear gas rounds and it anyway. But that round will still go through you lol
Regardless you don't point a weapon in a kids face. That fat fukin cop should be beaten for that stupid move.
no it will not go through you it would cause a bruise, it also wouldn't go off if it doesn't travel a minimum distancei"m sure we aren't getting the full story here
Umm it has to travel 60 yards or 6 revolutions before the round will actually detonate. But at close range it will go through you. You know we never get the full story of anything LOL
This is the most ignorant answer I have ever heard
@VdoubleUp How is it ignorant? Very progressive if you ask me. Take the trash out and all the stink goes away.
@VdoubleUp The only reason they're looting the entire america right now is because the law prohibits shooting them on spot so they feel safe in a way. Just declare martial law and start blasting.
@VdoubleUp The only reason really they're not doing what I said is because there is a lot of money to be made processing all of them.
But how many of them were killed simply because the color of their skin?
@VdoubleUp How many whites, Hispanics, asains, etc were killed because of the colour of their skin?
@Harmseygrace with the amount of white cops being killed, the difference in that number is drawing ever closer...
Department of Homeland statistics shows that it was far right groups that accounted for majority of extremism related violence last year.
@OsloMan181 I'm calling bullshit unless you provide a link.
www (dot) congress (dot) gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is. xml Just go through the findings part of the attached link. I have replaced. with (dot) my experience level doesn’t allow me to attach links
congress. gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is. xml
As well as making themselves a racist movement by using such prejudices based on skin color.
How would u feel if your house was on fire and you called the fire department, and they started hosing down all the houses on your street with water before yours? When you ask them "why are you hosting all the other houses?" They reply "because ALL houses matter". YES all houses do matter, just like all lives matter, all races matter. But it is YOUR house which is on fire. Just like blacks are being targeted by police brutality. We must stand by them, this is THEIR fight for their race and we must let them take the spotlight and support them this once
Again it's an all or nothing ideal. I'm not advancing one group at the request or sacrifice of another. Copy and paste that a few times.
If all lives matters than this slogan should be eliminated...
They could care less if a white or hispanic person gets killed by police.
@wisefool human lives shouldn't be valued according to what color you are...
@TonyMetal___86 Exactly, I would support their cause if they were just protesting police brutality or violence in general but that is not what they are doing. They ignore all cases of blacks being killed by blacks, and whites being killed by blacks, and instead focus only on whites killing blacks to cry racism about it. Okay, BLM, you pissed people off now what? People hate you even more than when you started. Congrats.
@wisefool true, that's why racism should be eliminated because it's just plain stupid!
That wisefool guy is everywhere. he's stalking you
@wisefool do your research about what black lives matter movement really means
It's called a logical fallacy. The movement is based on the incorrect premise that systemic racism exists against blacks which allows them to justify their bad actions and to avoid taking responsibility for their lives. It's never because they're stupid or incompetent, it's always because "the evil white man." Even though statistics show over 90% of blacks are killed by other blacks. All the evidence points towards the fact that there is not systemic racism in the country.
I advise people who dont agree with you to listen to what Ashton Kutcher said about black lives matter