Depend on where
whites are the only group in america that face systemic oppression. you have special programs designed to help you for the color of their skin but whites don't have thesewhites have it worse than you
Well i have 65% of people black at work treated the same get paid the same i live in a 50% black area i never see cops mistreat any of them and i walk my dogs 3 times a day 45 mins so I am out and about. not counting when i drive. So are these people using White Privilege?
I would love to see the statistics on how "black people face this everyday". Literally none of the black and hispanic people I talk to have ever faced this. Maybe she should actually talk to a few? @Felicityoyo Good job blocking people who disagree with you and expose your blatant sexism! Still doesn't make you right!
I'm extremely curious why people keep commenting on this making out like I am somehow wrong even though all of you are literally have the same outlook on it as me. Either you guys dont know how to read or you didn't read my full comment.
For starters you are wrong, you have provided no facts in support of your claims, and you are demonizing an entire group of people based on the color of their skin. They have a word for that... Racism.
@genuinlysensitive are you fucking stupid? I was correct. Obviously you cannot read.
but a white person doesn't get affirmative action because of their race AND is constantly insulted by leftists telling us we have privilegeso that's 2 ways we suffer due to our race... privilege is bullshit
@007kingifrit affirmative action exists because of the large disparities in education in many minority communities. It levels out the playing field for people who have been subjected to sub par schooling in poorer communities. There are benefits that are provided to people of all races who struggle with poverty, it's just not called affirmative action.
@007kingifrit also, being called names by leftists doesn't really affect your everyday quality of life.
you leftists always try to justify affirmative action by explaining it... its systemic discrimmination against whites for their skin color no matter what your justifacationand what a cop out "oh being called names daily doesn't affect your quality of life"... in contrast to every scientific study on bullying ever? you're an idiot
@007kingifrit it's really not that hard honey. You're just kind of a snowflake...
that's it. lose the argument and resort to namecalling
@007kingifrit there's no argument to be lost
Snowflake, what's next Incel, or will you go straight to calling people who disagree racist/sexist/ some kind of phobic while promoting racist policies?
@genuinlysensitive y'all wildin'
no he's right you lost the argument. you said a stupid thing. namely that being called names daily doesn't impact one's quality of life... nobody thinks that is true. not even you
@007kingifrit again, there's no argument here to lose. You (im assuming conservative white men) are trying desperately to victimize yourselves while condemning leftists who, in the same breath, you'll call over emotional and triggered and... i'm kinda just getting a kick out of it at this point. It's like watching a car crash
typical leftist. saying other people's problems don't matter becuase of the labels you put on them
@007kingifrit why should I, a woman, give a single fuck about the rights or feelings of men? Has nothing to do with right or left. It has to do with entitled men like yourself only giving a shit about other entitled men
you sound like you need lots and lots of therapy. sounds like you just have an irrational hatred of men and can't get your emotions under control
"why should I, a woman, give a single fuck about the rights or feelings of men?" Sexist. Also, you are right she needs PROFFESSIONAL help!
@007kingifrit nah I dont hate men. What I hate is entitled men who need to make everything about them while simultaneously not giving a shit about anyone else. People like that do not matter to me at all. Why should they?
@genuinlysensitive you clearly dont give a shit about womens rights so why should I give a fuck about you?
you have revealed to us what you really are. seek help
"why should I, a woman, give a single fuck about the rights or feelings of men?" Yes seek help. Especially about your psychological projection of sexism.
@007kingifrit I'm good honey
@genuinlysensitive bold of y'all to assume I give a shit what two total strangers on the internet think of me. Have a good one
"why should I, a woman, give a single fuck about the rights or feelings of men?" Go back under your bridge sexist troll!
@genuinlysensitive You expect me to give a shit about y'alls problems when you butt in and make everything about yourselves. Nah honey. Not happening
talking about our problems is making everything about ourselves? nah you just hate men
@007kingifrit k but no one was talking about you. Any time anyone has anything to say about the problems POC or women face people like you have to burst in whining like stfu no ones talking to you rn. Make your own post
you were talking about us, your original post says "white people don't struggle because of their race"so you were literally talking about us. and you back pedal hard now because you were proven wrong
@007kingifrit Yeah white people still don't struggle because of race. I wouldn't expect a neo-nazi to understand that though.
we just proved to you that they do, and you resort to name calling because you lost
@007kingifrit no I'm calling you a neo-nazi because you are. You've made that very clear.
Really Neo-Nazis hate people based on things like sex and seek to take away their rights. That describes YOU!"why should I, a woman, give a single fuck about the rights or feelings of men?"
Seriously take your tiki torch and go home!
That's completely false. Affirmative action (reverse discrimination) proves my point.
The "disparities" you mention are life choices that people make. Look at the larger inner city black neighborhoods for example. They are crime ridden and full of criminal activity. It is a part of a dysfunctional mindset that made things that way in those neighborhoods. Only black people can change that. They have to decide if they want to quit living up to the negative stereotypes that have haunted that have haunted the black community for a long time. They need to give up these thug mentalities if this is what they have chosen to make any progress. There are consequences for every choice made and there are many people in all races that need to understand that you have to take the consequences that come with your choices, period.
Tell that to the white kid that didn't get into school's with a 4.3 gpa
ever heard of stress being called a racist and other things can effect mental health
@genuinlysensitive you're reeeeeeeeally reaching hard honey
@DocT1977 why would anyone choose to be in poverty or crime ridden neighborhoods? They dont. For some people choices aren't as easy to come by and they struggle no matter how hard they may try. Everyone has different circumstances and a lot of things are beyond your control.
@grif429 I got into school with a 3.8 gpa and I'm white so I don't know what you're bitching about.
I come from an underprivileged white family. That's not what it means though. What it means is that if I weren't white, I would probably be in jail or dead, because I was an idiot in high school. It means that I'm not being watched quite as closely, and even when I am, people felt sympathy for me, and showed a little mercy. I was just a "dumb kid" and not a "young thug". That's part of it. I also can walk into a job interview and be pretty confident that I'm not going to be turned away because of my race, which happens, I know it for a fact. I won't be denied a vacancy in an apartment in the nice part of town either. You can say "affirmative action", "quotas", blah-blah-blah, but if you don't think shit like that still happens, I'll introduce you to some people. I'm related to a few of them, and they do not give a fuck.What do you mean by "healthy, caring, able" parents? I don't get that part. Can you explain it to me? Same for the social benefits part. I do agree that slavery still has an impact on people who are alive today though, so I like that part.I have a solution that I think could help, but you won't like it.
@WhistleForTheChoir I agree there is some privilege, racism and bias out there. It's perception of character to that person and group, depending upon how that person and culture were trained. In the end as a worker, business person as a neighbor, I just want to make $, be treated respectfully, trust my stuff is safe, and life without fear and have love, etc.. I have that, why can't others? Build character into people. Perceptions of different classifications cause issues. I loved black people until I met some bad ones in real life. I had no impression of chinese... didn't see one for long time. Happens at race and culture and sex and age... all stratums. Asians went through horrible years.. came out of it.. because of family and honor and ethic. Most of this rolls up to parenting, environment, not all. Fix culture most of this crap goes away. I know poor white people who've been treated like garbage in the system.. they got no privilege. Discrimination goes both ways and humans of various races suffer. It isn't only black people, maybe more so... I don't know.Healthy - mentally and emotionally able to raise kids and have means to provide for. Even poor kids can come out decent with good parents, but they will lack a lot of exp without $. So there is something said for "privilege"... passing down wealth. My grandparents and parents were poor but did fine and worked it out... answer: family, good ethics, stayed together, no major problems or abuse... love and loved life. Italians were amazing family! Is that privilege or character?
I've seen black privilege.. ability to get away with crap white people could not. That is bad privilege rooted in the fear of addressing the root problems and using discipline. Instead of getting pulled aside and disciplined, they got away with crap.. which turned to bad behavior and crime... whose gonna hire all those looter thugs of any race? you, me? nope! very frustrating... I saw it in school and it spoils those "apples". Fear of retribution from black people is a flaw in society we now see... I know that statement will be controversial. My point is... what is needed is good sheparding of each human being, all are different and need different support to be their best. Where is love and discipline... parenting... in society? Schools fail terribly being parents and so does society. Now, with lack of fathers and broken families, parents fail the job. I can give stories I've seen for how I paint my perspective. I'm talking about a few not the majority, but it only takes a few to corrupt perception... and we get to "isms". Many black kids were treated well or same as others. I made a question on this not long agosocial benefits: affirmative action, welfare. maybe it helped pull out of poverty.. it doesn't heal the emotions and perceptions. Too many young black kids fall out of society or are killed off.Hope that clarifies... what's your solution? One other thing... do these issues exist globally or is it the usa?
I'm going to be honest, it didn't clarify it for me. I did not follow you really, but that's okay, that's my fault. I don't want you to spend the time re-clarifying, though. Thank you for the detail though. That said, a part that did stand out to me was "I used to love black people until I met some bad ones in real life. I had no impression of the Chinese." And I think that thinking about people like that isn't productive, ya know? It's like the first and final thing about them is just down to their race. It's like when we think about white people, we both know there are good and bad, smart and stupid white people. Why would that be different for non-white people, ya know?My idea would be a form of reparations. Essentially a public trust where African Americans can pull out low-interest loans to start businesses or attain an education. The interest would allow the program to pay for itself. It wouldn't be a permanent fixture, but would last at least two or three generations.
It's different from country to country, culture to culture. It's important to remember that the United States has a very strong media, so to some extent OUR conception of race gets pushed into the consciousness of other cultures, and even if they don't understand it, they are generally aware of how we view things and when interacting with us, they may respond appropriately. In a lot of places, certain races/ethnicities are just seen as "normal", and others are abnormal. And it's important to remember what you might consider one race, in another culture will not be considered similar AT ALL.For example, Morocco has people who look white, Middle Eastern and black, and they have three main ethnic groups: Arabs, Andaloos (white mostly) and several groups of Amazigh (who can be any of the three races). But race there isn't such an issue. Religion is more important than race in a lot of Arab cultures, but they discuss it and think about it the way we would think about race. It's generally an inherited trait in those countries, and is linked to ancestry and ethnicity. Muslims are good, Christians and Jews are okay, "idol-worhsippers" are tolerated, and atheists are reviled. European countries like Spain and France want to be tolerant, but you also have strong nationalistic bends in those countries that affects the national character. But really the US is moving more and more in that direction by the day. Singapore welcomes diversity, and my impression is that race isn't such a problem there. Malaysia on the other hand is a weird ethno-state. The Malaysian majority is forced to be Muslim and are subject to Sharia law. The substantial population of ethnically Chinese and Indians are not subject to Sharia. South Africa is probably more similar to the United States than most places when it comes to the conception of race, the only difference is that white people are the minority.
China has 50-something ethnic groups, but the main one is the "Han". Those are the "Chinese people" and the majority of the country. China is trying to integrate everyone into the central Chinese culture by eliminating local languages and customs, etc. This gets really bad in the Western portions of the country where re-education camps are believed to exist. But it's not a "racial thing" really, as much as it is a cultural thing. Chinese people are very proud of their culture and due to its longevity they believe it's inherently superior. To a Chinese person there are just other "Zhong guo ren" (Chinese people) and then "Wai guo ren" (foreigners). They view white people as a curiosity, we're sort of funny to them, and they always assume we're American and that we all know each other. Many people in China view black people as sub-human; however, due to the popularity of the NBA and American music, this attitude is changing rapidly amongst the younger generation.
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Nobody is saying that these things don't exist. Of course there are exceptions but the vast majority of white people don't experience hardship BECAUSE of the color of their skin
I completely disagree, depending on the hardship. For instance, I have a white friend. He grew up in the suburbs, was allowed to live at home rent-free until his parents both passed, and then he inhereted their savings, house, assets. He never would have had to work more than a minimum wage job in his life to live a middle class life with all the comforts. Consider that he got an education and a good paying job - so he isn't just sitting on a golden egg, he's adding to it now.I lived down the street from him.Now compare my life- I had the same middle class upbringing, but a hard father who kicked his kids out at 18, gave us nothing, including any world knowledge or fathering of any sort. I walked into the world at 18 with nothing. I rented rooms, worked shit jobs, learned every life lesson the HARD way, and stayed poor most of my life. Only after I made every mistake in the book, learned from them, finally got educated (on my own), and now finally live a comfortable life (achieved around the age of 48) although still nothing near the level of comfort that my friend has had his whole life.Me and my friend are both white. Now which one of us was gifted with "white privilege" ? Truth be told, neither of us. Just like beautiful people who live charmed lives, he was born into a better status, that's it.
Like I said there are exceptions. What you are describing with your friend is class privilege. But you still didn't experience hardship because you are white did you? Neither of you did. You weren't denied renting a room because of the color of your skin, you weren't denied jobs/ not being able to move up in a job because of your skin color? Because everyone trusts a white man.
Of course I've suffered hardship for being white. I was let go from a job because our department had too many people. Even though I had more seniority, a better work history and far greater credentials, I was selected over a black guy who was frankly a token (sorry to use the term but it suits without needing a long explantion). He watched American Dad episodes on his computer all day, laughing out loud, and any work he actually accomplished was so riddled with mistakes that me or one of our peers always had to go back and fix it. I lost everything when I lost that job and had to basically start life over again. I can't count how many similar things happened in my life.This is why I support racial equality, because right now it's not equal on either side. SOME whites get privilege and others only get to experience every possible downside of being white. I'm not suggesting black people have it better - they don't, but this whole issue is about EQUALITY not giving some people more rights than others because their ancestors got effed. So did mine.
I'd like to add my thoughts on why the most powerful whites want racial inequality to continue to exist. If they allow us all the be equal, then people will realize that democratic socialism works, at least for the majority, not the minority. Once people are colorblind, they realize that us/them really amounts to the corporate owners trying to force our country into a fascist serfdom. If you look at modern history, there's a clear pattern of intentional racial divide with a trail of money that leads to the richest people in the world. Every democratic socialist country that has come into being in the last 60+ years didn't collapse, didn't fall apart, until the USA intervened and installed a new government. You see, we can't have a working example of a better way of life in every aspect be allowed to exist, it would give people something to think about critically. Nope, they want you and I to stick our heads back in the sand and fear black people, yellow people, brown people, etc. It's a damn shame that the majority of people have been too propagandized and dumbed down to realize these things.
This is a pretty good segment from CBS This Morning on Friday 05 JUN 2020www.cbsnews.com/.../
Well, privilege is defined as "a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.” which does fit.
No, that doesn't fit.There is not a single law in the United States which says "If you are white, you get X."Why?Because that's a violation of the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.What is happening is that blacks are being de facto penalized for being black. Their lives contain difficulties that do not exist for whites. That's what I mean by "black burden".
Its not a law it's just a thing that happens
I understand and don't disagree.I just don't like the term "white privilege" because "privilege" is not applicable here.I will use the definition you supplied....Privilege is defined as:"A special right, advantage, or immunity ____granted___ or ____available_____ only to a particular person or group.”...First, no one is granting anything... that is out.Second, "available" implies choice... that the people with the privilege can opt to take advantage of it (because it's "available") or not take advantage of it.How society functions for white folks is what is supposed to happen... for everybody.However, the fact is that it's not everybody - in particular, black - that is the problem. And why is it a problem for blacks? Because they are black. Instead of getting to function in society as whites enjoy (by law!), they have burdens and roadblocks and all sorts of aggravation that whites do not have and, often, can't even imagine. Being hassled by police regularly was one such example. Floyd's death is making it a reality now for whites.
White privilege is not saying you haven't struggled in life or not had it hard. Your race just doesn't play a factor into why you have had it hard.Obviously in your case you have struggled and experienced hardship possibly even discrimination because you are legally blind. But not because of the color of your skin. (I am in no way saying this is ok either) It would be interesting to see that statistic broken down by race, considering more black people than white people are legally blind.
but white people are very specifically discriminated against for their race. the very act of saying they have privilege is a tool to look down on whitesplus there is the systemic racism of affirmative action
Not just affirmitive action, whites and men can legally be discriminated against for government loans. You know sistematic stuf. And yes I am mispeling on purpouse!
African Americans invented/ co-invented home security systems, 3 light traffic lights, refrigerated trucks, elevator doors, electric microphones, carbon light bulb, and colored PC and tv screens. Just to name a few. White people didn't invent everything. Stop being ignorant.
OK sir... but, where do you take all the minerals for your invention... slavery was not about right of invention... it was about exploitation... but guess what we already know that the culture changes after a new generation... not because you will change your mind after a long lasting hate.
by the time white people arrived in africa in 1488 africa had no major cities... whites had a dozen that had existed for more than a thousand yearsthe industrious nature of whites is clear for all to see. blacks in general could never invent without the framework whites provided for them
So you think it was positive for African to receive white people? What assumptions make you believe you discover the world before African? Lmao... thats really interesting... I ve been to France school but I realise that you are systemically thinking you are the Best. Even if it demonstrates that Romans and Greece just copy Egyptians and destroy Alexandria library. Great...Where you also excellent on destroying China or more? You destroy Indians of America, but you did not succeed to destroy Africans in Africa after so many attempts with recent vaccinations. So you do believe that you were too much intelligent so that the cities and frontiers you design into Africa are so smart right now? OK. Check your map again... go travel. Thanks, I ll think again before helping a white.
With all the ghettos and slums they created, rioting and looting causing millions of dollars, currently $450 million, they have lost any kudos they might have had in the past. The average IQ of an African is 70, the percentage of intelligent Africans capable of inventing anything is minimal. The White man's inventions far exceed anything they have achieved. Based on what they are currently doing to the country, I give them credit for nothing!
Stupid people you are too. Tell me how to deposit an intellectual property and I will show you were the problem is. Your argument on racial invention is a bullshit. But what else? I really understand that you don't see that African in this 4th wave of globalization are forced to move from Africa to Europe then to USA... now it's just changing quite a bit with China. Slavery initiate all of this business by White European. And sorry, white people inventing the world looool where the fuck did you travel?
Slavery was world-wide, practice by every human civilization until a couple hundred years ago, when the Chrisitan West virtually ended it worldwide! It still goes on, ironically in some Sharia compliant African countries. Also, an important note the US fought the bloodiest war in its history specifically to END Slavery.One more point just FYI the African slave trade, specifically, was first started by Islam in the 9th Century! Yes, Westerners did join in, before ending slavery 170 years ago, roughly, again except for some Sharia Compliant countries in Africa! I guess your teachers didn't teach you that, only "Anyone who disagrees with me is racist!" Learn that in Collage?"African Americans invented/ co-invented home security systems, 3 light traffic lights, refrigerated trucks, elevator doors, electric microphones, carbon light bulb, and colored PC and tv screens" Yes, because this is America, and people have on average the best chance of succeeding here regaurdless of race, then anywhere else in the world!
yes and all of those thing were off things already developed from basic components not from step one. makes it a lot easier.
@cush_ebo Africa isn't worth destroying nothing there anyone wants blacks are doing just fine destroying it themselves so don't get so angry young man.
@grif429 and even before white people arrived... there were no cities in africa
@007kingifrit Even if there are blacks that go above the average African IQ of 70 and actually accomplish something, it doesn't make up for all the low IQ, criminal blacks in this country. Maybe one in 1,000 accomplishes something, the rest just create ghettos and slums and commit violent crimes. By virtue of what they are currently doing to destroy this country, there is no other solution but to deport them back to the homeland to live in a mud hut and/or bring back segregation to protect the White population.
"A comprehensive Boston Globe investigation concluded that her reported ethnicity played no role in her rise in the academic legal profession."The middle two images are just flat out racist.As for the last imagehttps://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
Joseph Sobran's comment talks only of the exploration and science. It doesn't take into account the entire civilizations that were destroyed and which have been buried under the rug in our reading of history. There is no feeling of hostility other races feel towards whites but Western Civilization has held back other civilizations successfully (which is unfair to them). Western Civilization talked of free trade, but violated the truest sense of it in events like the opium wars. And if it wasn't for world war 2 (which was a "Western civil war" at least in it's start), many countries out there wouldn't even be free. So when this culture of controlling others stops, we can do free trade in the truest sense and there will be no anomosities.Ever wonder why China is so antagonistic to the West? Opium wars, sanctions, unfair trade deals. in the west, we are taught only that China is stealing trade secrets, but not how this rivalry came about. And now that the West is in a good position, they don't even want a conversation on how to make things fair. It's not easy to make it fair anyway, but we need to have that conversation if we are to progress as mankind. Even today the trade treaties that are put on many African countries aren't fair by the rules of free trade. But no one can say anything because the western countries that dictate these are in power... for now. If someone truly does only good, in the interest of everyone involved, nobody will seek his destruction. The pursuit of exploration and science will be seen as a blessing - but to use this as a means of conquest is what's created this uncomfortable situation. It's this history that's caused people to insist on "white guilt". I for one, don't think anyone should be or feel guilty for something that happened in the past. But let's look at the bigger picture.
Obviously the Boston Globe is fucking lying, you dumb twat.
Boston Globe is one of the most reliable news outlets.
Also that image is more about class privilege. Privilege can be categorized many different ways.
Sure, right up there with the New York Times and CNN. Operation Mockingbird compliant.
@Bananaman177 If you really think wearing sneakers and living for free (in *those* accommodations) is privilege, would you be ready to swap places with them? Giving people things for free but ensuring a system exists where they are seen as the charity case is exactly what's destroying the community by creating entitled twats who don't understand what it should take a person to stand on their own feet. And on the flip side, even if a black person were to make it great, he/she isn't going to get the recognition for it because people see them as the charity case.We should be encouraging good education, teachers in those neighborhoods. We should start by acknowledging that whenever blacks even started to make it better slowly, they were intentionally brought down to the dirt. Are you ready to acknowledge that?
@seanras Blacks only have access to education AT ALL because of white charity, are you ready to acknowledge that?
You know it's a reliable source when the browser tells you the website isn't safe 😐
Like, totally! LOL!
But today their neighborhoods in the US are unfunded, filled with drugs and gangs. There was a time when things were better in the US for them as well. So what happened was white gangs running above the law and destroying places. You quoted someone from South Africa. South Africa had apartheid till 1990s. How many years ago is that? Because you complain about blacks, but the treatment they faced is part of the reason for it. The progress western civilization did is not justification for treating people like subhumans. Today's riots, protests and unrest are all because a section of WHITES still see blacks as subhumans. Don't. Simple.
And none of the education system were charity. They were set in place during the colonial era so that whichever empire, British Empire for instance, could have a working class that spoke their language and thinks like them. But surprise, World War 2 came and the British had to leave most of those colonies. Many of those places, are developing slowly. Slowly because western powers don't allow free trade. And in reply, countries like China do their own evil schemes. That's why we have the tense global situation we have today. The kinder act, like I said, would be to have free trade in the real sense. Today's trade is like this - you come into my shop with a big gun and I give you stuff for free, fearing for my life. Then I come back to my house, seeing that I'm poor, and give me some of it and call it charity. That isn't charity. That isn't free trade. That's deception and bullying.
*then you come back to my house...
@seanras Let me ask you something since you're fairly intelligent. I want to know what you think about this, seriously:Isn't being privileged. . . isn't the existence of privilege. . . a good thing? Why would you want to stop your privilege or take someone else's privilege away from them? Is this supposed to be a race to the bottom? Are we trying to make things worse instead of better? I don't think it's a coincidence that the races with the most privilege are the ones with the highest average IQ. I don't think it's coincidence that all the systems that make up the modern world are set up to primarily benefit the races who contributed the most towards building and maintaining those systems. Look at average IQ's across Africa. Some of the Sub-Saharan countries, the average IQ's are 53, 56, 62. 75 is the cutoff for mental retardation. Are you really surprised that a whole country where the average IQ is 20 points below the retardation cutoff are underprivileged compared to whites with an average IQ of 105? Do you really think that taking privileges away from white people will help them catch up to us?How will it?
Catch up to us? As in whites? I'm Asian just fyi. And honestly, I don't care about race, but I see the division out there which is why this conversation is even happening now.So let me ask why should we care about this whole statistic of race and IQ? I could meet a person who is black and smart (I have too). Now his existing smarts won't be nurtured in an environment where he's subject to violence, doesn't feel his country represents his kind, looked down by you because some study deemed the average IQ of his kind low. And this is exactly what I'm saying -- the moment blacks start doing well, white gangs destroy their lives and face no penalty for it. And then people like you come back and point to stats on IQ to explain why they are down. So those stats aren't justification to treat people like subhumans. At a time when your family consistently built its wealth in this country, black people didn't have that advantage because they weren't even given the chance.So no, I am not saying white people should give up all their privilege. But to not acknowledge it is to escape another conversation. What I'm saying is no one shouldn't use their privilege to treat others like subhumans. Between two people - one will be stronger, one will be smarter, one will be better in some ways and the perhaps not in other ways. But how does ANY of that become justification to treat someone badly? How does any of that become justification to stay quiet when the law is unfair to them?
Agreed, you had a financially difficult upbringing. But the privilege part is that when you do make it successful, you won't have to be seen as someone from a trashy background, you will be seen among the elite. A black man doesn't have the privilege. He could start earning well, he could have family, but if he took a walk in his own neighborhood, he could be seen as a criminal.
@seanras ok fair point thanks for your answer.
White people tend to have a history of wealth. Obviously there are exceptions. But its pretty unlikely that if you grew up in a high earning household for example that you when independent would be poor.
Here's some everyday examples of white privilege:-> I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.-> I can go shopping alone without being followed or harassed because I might be stealing-> I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.-> if I get pulled over I can be sure that I wasn't singled out because of my race.-> I can easily find books, cards, posters, dolls, toys, magazines that feature/ resemble people of my race.
white people are the most disadvantaged in society because of all the left wing hate they get from you racists.a poor white person suffers as much as anyone else but doesn't get affirmative action because of their race... so whites are systemically oppressed
these aren't examples of privilege. these are trivial bullshit. your list from your sjw textbook is nonsense propaganda designed to shame you into feeling bad about being whitewhites face systemic oppression because of people like you
🤦🏻♀️ you keep saying that buddy
i will, considering you religious cultists have no counter arguments i'm clearly right
I think you saying that white people are “oppressed” is the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard. In America white people will never be oppressed like any minorities and People of color. I think it’s sad how you want white people to be oppressed so badly. Don’t even talk about systematic oppression because mostly Black people and people of color face systematic racism and oppression. No one has ever shamed anyone about being white because the sad thing is if your white you have a lot of privileges, you don’t know how many times I’ve heard a black person saying that they wish they were white or their ashamed of their skin color just because of the unfairness they face in America. Oh and you do know that there’s a large percentage of white people in the left wing, so the “left wing hate” is not logical and makes no sense. Next time you wanna talk about shit you should educate yourself and check your privilege
white people do indeed face systemic oppression. i bet you are some upper middle class white who wouldn't know, or you're older. or you're not white at alli face disrimmination for being white all the time. i'm told my opinions don't matter and told to stop talking because i have "privilege". i also face systemic oppression because i don't get affirmative action and blacks do
I don’t think you know what affirmative action is, affirmative action for examples in colleges is used to make sure there is a diverse in a persons color, race, sex and religion. If we’re talking about colleges then most of them, if you look at the statistics then you would see that almost all have the highest percentage of white people than all the other races. Affirmative action was put in place so it would be fair and people would not discriminate between race, sex, religion etc. so what if someone makes fun of you for being white at least you don’t get discriminated and killed for you skin color. Like so what at least you don’t have to live in fear because you were born a certain color that society doesn’t favor. Why don’t you just be proud of who you are instead of always trying to make it a competition saying you face racism and oppression which is very false. You can never compare your “racism” and “oppression” to those of people of color who face those things since the day they were born. Again check your privilege
youjust tried to explain to me what affirmative action is... that doesn't justify it.diversity is a bad thing as the riots and CHAZ show us. we are better off being homogenous and avoiding diversity. either way affirmative action is discrimmination. a white person has to work harder to get into college than a black person. LITERALLY a system of oppresion against whites
Ok so I’ve come to the conclusion you are very uneducated and you cannot comprehend common sense. Your ignorance is unbelievable, you should educate yourself and then maybe you talk your words will have meaning and be factual because what you just said was absolute bs. Please educate yourself for the greater good plzzzz
you aren't saying anything useful. you're explaining what affirmative aciton is for. you are trying to justify the discrimination. i understand just fine. i just don't accept your justification as valid.you are disadvantaging me because of my skin color. no justification is acceptable
No one is disadvantaging you because of your skin color dude, you clearly don’t understand how affirmative action works
yes white people DO face disadvantages for being white. they must score higher on the SAT for example because their scores are automatically lowered, they do not get first preference in jobs which is affirmative action and IS a disadvantage for whitesthese are disadvantages for being white. literally systemic oppression
The sat score thing is total and utter bullshit. And as I’ve said before affirmative action just makes thing more diverse, why do you think affirmative action was placed in the first place. The highest percentile of people that get accepted into college is white
no the SAT thing is not bullshit. its a well documented fact they lower the scores of white people. i'd post you a link but you can just google it since i can't post links on here its called an "adversity score" and as i have told you before i don't care WHAT you think affirmative action does, its racial discrimination. stop trying to justify itmaking things more diverse isn't even a good thing, diversity causes conflict
The sat thing has been proven wrong and debunked numerous amounts of times so that’s total bullshit. Affirmative action does not discriminate against anybody. So your saying diversity is a bad thing? You’d rather just go to a college will all white people, or work at a place with all white people?
affirmative action DOES discrimminate. it literally gives an advantage to people based on their skin colorthe SAT thing has not been debunked at all
yes diversity has NO benefits at all. having an all white college would increase your ability to get along with people, you would have more in common and society as a whole would be more efficientdiversity is always a bad thing for a social structure. the more similar we are the happier and safer we are... who told you otherwise?
Wow your racist and dumb you should be proud
you're part of a far left religion that worships diversity even though it has no upsides. it only makes life more complicatedyou're a cultist
Hun just because I love and respect all races and cultures doesn’t mean I’m part of a cult, it means I’m a decent human being, whereas you probably are a racist piece of shit who has no morals and probably works at McDonald’s because you stuck in a mindset that belong in the 50s where all people must be segregated. I’m sorry you were raised wrong with no repeat and morals but please educate yourself and then maybe you’ll be a better person
you stated that more diversity was good and that affirmative action was justified because it increased diversitythere is no benefit to divesity, therefor wanting it is not based on any science or reason. it is a beliefyou are taking action based on an unproven belief... that's a religion
Your dumb there’s nothing wrong with diversity, diversity is not a belief, it’s a normal human thing. I’d advise you so stop talking cause you sound really ignorant
i have a list here of 90+ scientific studies on diversity all of which say it is bad or has no benefits... i can't post it but if you weren't hiding your user ID i would message it to you in private chatdiversity really is a bad thing, it is the great weakness of all civilizations, the more homogeneous a civilization is the stronger it is
Diversity is a basic normal human thing, go move to somewhere where it has absolutely no diversity if you want that, I love America because of its vast diversity and different culture soooo it you don’t like diversity then leave and go somewhere else
america is not great because of its diversity... it is dying because of its diversity.too many different types of people makes democracy impossible after a certain point because democracy depends on people being similar enough to find common groundeventually you will have to choose... democracy or diversity. each destroys the other over a long term timespanits sad they indoctrinate young kids like you nowadays. you are just repeating the positive crap your teachers said with no understanding of what it means
It’s sad that your 28 years old and you just radiate pure ignorance and stupidity, pleaseeeee EDUCATE YOURSELF, what you are saying has no factual meaning to it. You are a racist. You are finding an excuse for white supremacy to be a thing again. Your are an ignorant, racist white privileged person who has probably never taken a basic government or history class. Again educate yourself
you leftists cultists always think the person disagreeing with you is just "uneducated" its so arrogant.i offered you 90 peer reviewed scientific studies but you don't want to see them. you're set to anonymous so nobody can send you links you cowardi am better educated than you will ever be. i have more scientific data ready to be shared right now than you'll ever view in your meaningless college career. but you can't accept that because having a sense of superiority shields your religious beliefsEVERY country that has diversity in it has failed eventually or been weakened by diversity. diversity is not and has never been a strength.
You just automatically assume I’m on the left because I’m nit racist and I accept everyone no matter the color of their skin. You are a disappointment of a human. You can never change a racist so be happy being a racist person.
You are a racist, ignorant person who probably will never get a college degree because stupidity, Racism and ignorance will never be cured. Accept the fact that your a racist and be proud of your sad self
yea you have devolved into just name calling. like the child you are
I’m not name calling I am stating facts you are a racist and you are ignorant, stupidity and ignorance go hand in hand
Obviously there are exceptions. Did you watch the video?
No, it's too late at night. I should be sleeping. I'll get back to you another time, though.
I think the first example would be more like a white person can literally go to any hairdresser and get a decent hair cut. But black people cannot, a lot of hairdressers are not trained to cut black hair. So it is a privilege in a way but not exactly the main idea
there is no empirical data that proves white privilege is real. anyone telling you otherwise is just a religious evangelist for the secular left wing religion of the SJW.
@007kingifrit Well... no, but what you just wrote is really, really stupid.
that's the thing about you secular left wing evangelists... you can only go "nuh uh" or "you're stupid" when quesitonedyou have no proof of your woke religion... its just a belief
@007kingifrit Um, no, you complete and utter fucking moron-- you have done the exact same thing, and somehow, incredibly, not even realized it.
i have not done the same thing. i challenged your opinion and said you had no data... that's a step up from the "you're stupid" i got in return from you
@007kingifrit You didn't "challenge" anything, you complete clown. You didn't provide any proof of anything yourself. I have all of proven American history on my side; you have room-temperature IQ on yours. Do you not know how to read?
its not a thing. the education system is just trying to turn you into an emotion driven cultistpoor whites have it harder than other races because they don't get affirmative action... privilege indeed
The education system? This wasn't even a thing when I was in education. I don't have any emotional investment in this topic, I just see it clearer these days. Honestly I don't what you're trying to say about affirmative action there.
whites are the only group in America to face systemic oppression because whites are victims of affirmative action
Hate to break this to you but the people you mention are all white...
@zagor they're not, ashkenazi jewish have also a song and tell you in your face they're not whites. Open your eyes, not diffult to see its another race.
I don't get the song part. And if you look at any pictures you will see they are indeed white. Maybe you're thinking of Sephardic Jews.
@zagor Geroge Soros, Henry Kissinger, Leathermen, Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are ashkenazi if YOU can't SEE IT, its not my problem but I recommend you get Glasses for your own good.
White privilege is just saying white people haven't struggled due to their skin color
but as i keep posting white people DO struggle because of their skin color... and you refuse to acknowledge their struggles because you hate white people. every day my grad school email filled up with job offers that said "only black and latino men and all females are encouraged to apply"many colleges have opened up black only dormswww.huffingtonpost.com/.../csu-black-student-housing_us_57d03c69e4b03d2d4597b491 Detroit music festival charges white people double www.wbur.org/.../tiny-jag-afrofuture-music-festival evergreen college has a “day of no white people”www.washingtontimes.com/.../ Microsoft vows to hire less white people finance.yahoo.com/.../...-hire-more-195404732.html HUFFpo wants less white authors www.washingtontimes.com/.../ A candidate for the DNC chair was applauded for saying it was her job to shut white people up; now she did lose Buuuuut what was she keying in on? Why did she think this was a good idea? Clearly there were sentiments she was trying to tap intowww.realclearpolitics.com/.../...their_mouths.html anti racism rally bans white people from asking questions www.telegraph.co.uk/.../ whites must score higher on the SAT to get into school, schools literally have different standards based on race nypost.com/.../ university of Virginia staff says “there are too many white people in here some of you please leave” www.foxnews.com/.../university-of-virginia-student-says-too-many-white-people-at-schools-new-multicultural-center-report joe biden said it would be a good thing if whites became a minority100percentfedup.com/.../ and not a day goes by where I don’t see a white person on a college campus told to shut up because they have “privilegebut go on and keep denying reality for your ideology
People want to scream about White privilege, what about affirmative action? Africans are getting jobs that they are not qualified for, pushing out the qualified White man. We even had an affirmative action president. The idiot never accomplished anything as a senator in Illinois and he becomes president? The White man is watching the country founded for him literally stolen by an uncivilized race of people that only know how to create ghettos, slums and riot and loot to get what they want. The civilized White man doesn't riot and loot when something goes wrong. Africans scream of equality but then demand special treatment. What is going on in this country right now is increasing racism, not eliminating it.
@KAT51 "What about affirmative action?" Affirmative action is bullshit and I agree with that, but the majority of black people aren't in favor of it. In fact, it seems to be mostly white Americans who want it to be a thing because of their own white guilt."We even had an affirmative action president." I don't live in the US, but as much as I don't like Obama or his politics, I don't subscribe to the claim that he was only elected because he was black."The White man is watching the country founded for him literally stolen by an uncivilized race of people that only know how to create ghettos." Every country in the world is so some degree "stolen" from certain groups of people. That has to do with power, not race."The civilized White man doesn't riot and loot when something goes wrong." Really? Because there seem to be an awful amount of white people participating in these violent riots!"Africans scream of equality but then demand special treatment." No, regressive liberals scream of equality but demand special treatment."What is going on in this country right now is increasing racism, not eliminating it." The only part of your comment that I would agree with.
You are right, AD, I see a lot of White people engaged in the protests around the country. They would be the brainwashed college students. Every college and university in this country is liberal-leaning and they are succeeding in their brainwashing of White students when it comes to the alleged White Privilege and brainwashing them to feel White guilt. If this were a White cause, I assure you, there would be very few Africans supporting the White cause.
Happened to a black friend of mine. Of course it was his 21st birthday which probably influenced the cop.
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that doesn't mean the idea of privilege is real. its just an excuse to not treat people as individuals
Well, I disagree, but we'll say I don't. I would still argue that sometimes economic status is the product of race.
Simply not true. They frequently get denied a position in a university despite a higher ranking because of a "set aside" or get denied a promotion for the same reasons. That is textbook discrimination based upon race.
@Liam_Hayden That isn't fair either. But there is a reason for affirmative action and that's the effort to get blacks on the same playing level. How do you make sure two people - one with wealth and an upbringing that helped them to compete with one who has been historically disadvantaged? Blacks and whites have not been treated equally historically speaking. And affirmative action maybe unfair when you see it at an individual level, but then it begs the question - how are we going to level out the disadvantage an entire community has experienced?You aren't just you. You are a product of your upbringing, which was founded on your family's wealth, property, the feeling of security you feel when you see an officer, the neighborhood you could afford to grow up in. And I get that white people face discrimination too, but as a person who is neither white nor black, I see that blacks face it more on a day to day basis.
White privilege doesn't mean that white people can't be poor or have hardships it just means that your hardships aren't directly related to your skin color
So you mean black person is poor because he is black? Sounds kind of racist. What does skin has to do with that. Then how come Obamas became president or all this famouse actors and doctors.. etc what you reach in life doesn't depend on skin well okey some things do dont depend on you lets say how beautiful you are, you face features, character, inteligent.. but that goes to all races.
Systemic racism would be a factor in poc being lower class.
actually it isn't. black people being poor is a result of personal and collective choices THEY CHOSE70% grow up without a father. and before you try and claim that's systemic racism... the fatherless rate among blacks in 1960 was identical to whites. so your systemic racism theory is debunked
but poor whites are still poor AND don't get affirmative action. so they are clearly the most disadvantaged of poor people
Have you actually researched what systemic racism is? Red-lining?
any example you can name of blacks being systemically oppressed is overwhites on the other hand face systemic oppression TODAY via affirmative action and score matching on the SAT and other means
Does systematic racism exist in asia towards blacks?
no, it could just be cultural choices
White privilege is possibly more of a western world thing
no, white people in the west suffer discrimmination due to affirmative action
We are not talking about discrimination.
if someone faces discrimination, they don't have privilege
Not true. Both privilege and discrimination come in many forms and aren't always directly related.
only someone so stupid they were educated in academia could say thatif you have privilege, you can't be getting discriminated againstthe 2 are fundamental opposites
But they aren't... You can have privilege in some areas and also be discriminated against in others. E. g. you can have class privilege but be discriminated against because you are gay.
then the term privilege is useless and doesn't convey any useful information because there is external information that tells us more about your circumstances as an individual... which is what we have been trying to tell you this whole timenever use the term privilege again, it does not convey useful information. it only encourages you to judge others for their labels
I can use it if I want to use it... It's not a bad word.
It isn't but im asking about white privilege 😊
As my answer state I do not believe an individual race even my own should have all the privilege it should be the same for everyone
Privilege isn't about being allowed or not being allowed to do something
Everyone has the ability to get as much privilege as possible without infringing on others ability to do the same. You live only once, so live the best life you can. Yes someone has it better than you, but that doesn't take away from your quality of life. Some have it worse than you but your quality of life doesn't take away from their ability to make improvements.
white privilege is not real, its just propaganda taught to white people to make them feel guilty and give black people an excuse for their mistakes in life.lots of white people are disadvantaged because of their skin color and have no upsides. like a poor white who doesn't get the affirmative action programs blacks do but still all the downsides of being poor
Dude this question is old you have an obsession please stop replying to people's opinions.
Ok give me examples of white people being disadvantaged because they are white. Being white doesn't mean you are rich etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K5fbQ1-zps
every day my grad school email filled up with job offers that said "only black and latino men and all females are encouraged to apply"Detroit music festival charges white people double www.wbur.org/.../tiny-jag-afrofuture-music-festival evergreen college has a “day of no white people”www.washingtontimes.com/.../ Microsoft vows to hire less white people finance.yahoo.com/.../...-hire-more-195404732.html HUFFpo wants less white authors www.washingtontimes.com/.../ A candidate for the DNC chair was applauded for saying it was her job to shut white people up; now she did lose Buuuuut what was she keying in on? Why did she think this was a good idea? Clearly there were sentiments she was trying to tap intowww.realclearpolitics.com/.../...their_mouths.html anti racism rally bans white people from asking questions www.telegraph.co.uk/.../ Oregon county passes law that says ONLY white people must wear facemasks, non whites are exempt from the law https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=901Wzbcg-tI whites must score higher on the SAT to get into school, schools literally have different standards based on race nypost.com/.../ university of Virginia staff says “there are too many white people in here some of you please leave” www.foxnews.com/.../university-of-virginia-student-says-too-many-white-people-at-schools-new-multicultural-center-report A. I finds minorities are responsible for the most racism online https://pluralist.com/ai-censorship-cornell-study/ and not a day goes by where I don’t see a white person on a college campus told to shut up because they have “privilege”