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France and Netherlands are both more balanced in my opinion. France a little bit more than Netherlands maybe... Spain and Sweden are both too liberal I think. At least that’s how I perceive it.
This diagram might be helpful en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Inglehart–Welzel_cultural_map_of_the_world
Is the west coast that liberal? I’m on the east coast New York City, it’s very conservative but still tons of trans people and social justice shit I don’t mind lgbt shit but hate the black shit.
No Spain is very conservative I’ve been
I think it’s too liberal at least the cities.
No Spain isn’t liberal at all I’ve been to Madrid and Barcelona.
More conservative than nyc even
I was talking about the west coast US sorry.
I think my experience with Spanish liberals were with Spanish people who moved out of Spain and were trying to become Americanized. I agree that Spain itself is pretty conservative...
I’ve been to the west coast, prostitution illegal, no billboards of women’s bare vaginas, and guys penises, no healthcare. It’s not even close to as liberal as Europe. It does have a social justice warrior aspect to the West Hollywood, and San Francisco, but it’s not liberal in the same way as Europe no way.
The west coast seems kinda normal outside of the gay inner city neighborhoods to me.
oh ok well then I haven't traveled enough then...
Yeah all of LA defunded same with nyc fucking n** lovers
Yeah it’s the race, social justice shit I can’t deal with.
Many people from Africa and the Caribbean are in France, the Netherlands has many people from the East Indies-Indonesia. They even had some problems with Moluccan refugees about 40 years ago. What is kinda funny, both countries were involved in the slave trade, a Dutch ship brought the first slaves to Virginia. But no problems in these countries.
But they don’t have that race bs, I’m cool with sex, prostitution, abortion, but not the race shit I’m tired of that.
And what about France?
Yeah no, we haven’t got the race stuff. But we do have a lot of stuff related to ethnicities, which is basically just the dutch equivalent of the race stuff in the US
I’m mean the constant complaining about racism from everyone. I need a break from it. I’m sure France doesn’t do that.
The same situations exist in the Netherlands and I’m sure in France as well. It especially starts around August as an annual season regarding black pete and racism. That stops again in January to be replaced with other ethnicity/race talk before it kicks off in August again. And that’s an annual thing
Is it really extreme on the social justice warrior shit? I’m cool with drugs, and sex, and shit. I can’t stand the victim swj and surprised people even need to think that way in the Netherlands.
Most Americans are conservative on drugs and sex but super liberal about diversity and immigration. Saying the n word in America can ruin your life. I hate it.
A lot of people especially in the big cities will be rather similar and politicians who use the wrong language are decimated in the media.And basically a lot of Dutch people are perfectly fine with a lot of ethnic diversity and immigration. The difference is that there are strong privacy laws so if you do something wrong related to the law, barely anyone knows.
I doubt the Netherlands is more liberal than Seattle. That’s where I am escaping from personally.
Well, I know nothing about Seattle so can’t compare the two
Seattle has a festival every year that celebrates being gay along with a festival that celebrates marijuana use. I think even as liberal as the netherlands may be about marijuana or sex they still don’t need to create a festival over it.
Yeah no I think most major cities have LGBT festivals and the government is going to produce marijuana soon
Here in the Netherlands
Well I still feel that Seattle is even more liberal but I am not sure how to explain it. I just grow up in Seattle and I visit Paris and Europe and it’s not even remotely the same. Europe has history to preserve. Seattle is completely new. Nothing traditional to restrain them.
Seattle is known for tattoos, grunge, grimy streets, suicides, serial killers, sex trafficking, heroin users, homeless,... I’m sure netherlands does not have as bad those problems. Maybe one or two but not all of them.
Well, that’s more a crime-rate thing than a liberalism-thing.
Mind you, the Netherlands tends to be far more liberal than many European places as well
It’s The extreme liberal views allows all this unseemly behavior to take place. I think Seattle is like Oslo, very norwegian/Scandinavian. Very cold and gray and heavy drug use...
@Ag0ny move to nyc it’s very conservative socially.
@tartaarsaus the netherlands is liberal by european standards but european standards are not American standards. Just consider the fact that American version of everything European is much bigger. That should pertain to liberalism as well. Use your head.
It’s quite liberal relative to the rest of Europe, the USA and basically most of the world.Surely you can understand that it is possible to argue that if x is frowned upon in the USA while that thing is common in the Netherlands, that it is more liberal (assuming it is a liberal thing) than the USA.Use your head
@tartaarsaus I should have worded this question differently. I know that the Netherlands is progressive, secular, and has a huge safety net. The views towards sex, nudity, suicide, abortion, lgbt, Heathcare, guns, are day and night different. It makes San Francisco look like a Muslim country. I mean they aren’t politically correct, have strict immigration laws, aren’t obsessed with “racism”.
Yeah no political correctness is a pretty big thing, immigration laws are not that strict considering how many arrive and the debate on racism is a very big thing
Yeah and Seattle is trying to beat San Francisco at it's own game. Right now there is this CHAZ going on in Seattle. It's just nuts. The people sectioned off part of the city and are demanding free college for everyone in the state, for the police to be disbanded, and for rent to stay permanently low. To West Coast people this is free speech. For me it's just ridiculous. Sorry but I can't take it anymore.
Oh that sucks
What about the United States? Is it liberal
@hknmhmn4 Yep it is
No just parts of it like the west coast.
@Ag0ny Yes especially the sides of Los Angeles I guess
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