I think the issue is that YES Blacks make up a smaller portion of the population (Therefore are killed at higher rates)but they also commit a very disproportionate amount of the crime^ For example.. nearly half of all murders each year are committed by blacks (usually against blacks)This does not excuse wrongful murders by police <---- however that also assumes that police shootings are all wrongful (lets be honest that at times perpetrators can be serious threats to not only civilians but also to the police departments themselves)
Point is all races are killed by copsJust cause blacks are only 13 percent well what you going to do they're only that much living here in the U. S And they're just more whites in U. SDoesn't mean cause since less black live in the US that they are being picked on more Remember cops They just don't show up and start picking on some random house of peopleThey are called to the scene by a witness or victim You don't do bad you don't have to deal with copsIts the people who need to straighten up
That's the typical bullshit right wing white guy's excuse. No problem, it's all your imagination, no disparate treatment, you're not being picked on. Don't commit crimes and the cops won't come. Blah blah blah.THIS is why protests have continued into their third week, in case you were wondering.
I'm not even white
And I also knows how it feels for cops to treat you like your not a human being like trash and abuse their power and judge me just the where I look
I am sorrybut making up over 50% of murders nearly every year... (among other issues)tends to bring about police officersI think the issue with your argument is that it suggests there is no need for accountability of ones actions?and it ignores the reality that poverty is a reality with all races (especially in an era of a dying Middle Class) This doesn't mean that police killings are acceptable (though lets be honest, at times perpetrators are a threat to the police and others..)but id say its ignorant the suggest that the black community is incapable of being accountable for itself?
I haven't stated my point of view of the whole matter or stated what my argument is about
@whoamiagain My argument suggests someone is using selected statistics without supplying the necessary context to prove they are valid measures of anything. That's what my argument suggests. Someone like you will distort that to then suggest well here's another guy who thinks no one needs to take accountability for their actions which is just another tactic to distract and provide what you think is justification for saying there really isn't a disparate treatment problem here and essentially blacks are just getting what they deserve... which is bullshit.
@Asker I didn't say you were white. I said it's a white guy's excuse and comparing white deaths to black deaths is a white guy's tactic. If the shoe fits, bro. Maybe you're just a white person wannnabe. And if you've suffered the same type of treatment, you should be the last person who should even be asking this type of question because you understand exactly what their experience has been like. So your behavior here is truly puzzling unless you just simply don't like black people.
Being that I am a Liberal on nearly every issue (because apparently you will assume im a Trump supporter.. or a Conservative)I can state thatRacism does exist in this countrysome police officers are Racist (obviously)some police departments are terribly corruptthese are realitiesBut ignoring statistics, or certain kills for the betterment of an agenda is dishonestThe Media WILL gladly report something when it creates an issue and draws in viewsFox News does itCNN will do as wellTHIS is an issueand what happened was horriblebut the outcry was also based upon some very clear fallacieswhich to be honest are arguments that make very little senseand one of the very few times I've ever found myself agreeing with people like Ben Shapiro... who I have typically considered idiots throughout my life
@whoamiagain The outcry was based on yet another example of excessive and in this case deadly force being used by police against a person of color. The outcry is because what you see in the news is only the tip of the iceberg of how many times black people are stopped, questioned, and suspected of things in a manner that almost never happens to white people. It's been going on forever and the outcry is because black people have just had enough. Bringing up well here are the % of crimes they commit and blah blah blah does nothing to address the issue they are raising and that's why the demonstrations are in their 3rd week. I don't know if you're a conservative or just a liberal as you say on most issues who's been completely played by the right for a rube to adopt their counterarguments. Your need to reply to not just my comment but at least 10 or 11 other people's comments to forcefully push your agenda and constantly remind everyone of well look how much crime blacks commit makes me very suspicious of your motives and frankly I think you're a shill cause almost no one with legitimate intentions ever feels the need to do that. Regardless, it's not a great look.
I am quite Liberaland a Bernie Sanders supporter (Who also disagrees with the idea of Defunding the Police)I appreciate the Shill comment though :)nonetheless my point here is to list the actual statistics of this issue (that the media sadly has little interest in reporting)Or the fact that White individuals are abused (and outright murdered) and its largely ignoredAs Liberals, we can simply ignore the Crime Rates of the Black Community, and assume that everything committed by the Police Forces is on the basis of Racial Prejudicebut to be entirely honest, I believe that is a very short sighted positionthe statistics simply don't agree with itand not only that, but it belittles the ability of the Black Community to take any accountability We live in an era where we Liberals easily take on contradicting (and sometimes outright prejudiced) positionsbe it the new Feminist movements, that care less about equality than male hateOr the preaching of "White Privilege" which does nothing but create further divisions Lets also take these considerations that the Protests (Which I support, and have personally taken part in) also include a lot of Rioting and Looting^ Where largely only the Black Communities themselves have suffered... Blacks themselves have been injured and killed (to the complete silence of the Liberal community as a whole).. WHILE at the same time we have Liberals stating if you dont support the Rioting and Looting you dont support the movement (Can't tell you how many times I've been told not to tell people how to carry out their own revolution)^ Yet somehow we seem to have forgotten the principles of Martin Luther King Jr? yet plenty of my fellow Liberals are more than happy to absolutely misquote him.
What this does it a make a mockery of the Liberal/Progressive movementand ultimately further invigorates the Trump movement We outright ignore the statisticsSupport the very things we were bitching about only a couple months ago We completely IGNORE the real issues that are causing race issues in this country.. I fear that due to our actions on these issueswe will likely be looking to another 4 years of Trumpand I sure as hell dont want that idiot in office anymore.but on SOME issuesmy Liberal brothers and sisters have completely lost their mindsand even though YES! I support the Protests... and I support eliminating corruption in the police departmentsthere is REALLY a true issue with holding to facts when they no longer support whatever narrative we want to pushSo we what? support a form of racism (which basically the "White Privilege" argument is quickly becoming) to fight off a form of racism...call me a romanticbut I much prefer the MLK Jr style of protest on these issues^ yet somehow many of my brothers and sisters are turning against that man as well (at least in my area) just so that way they can spread more hatred.BEcause somehow we struggle to accept facts? FACTS MATTER when its applicable to us... but when people push real statistics in front of your face... if it doesn't conform to our narrative... we might as well ignore them?its upside down world
BasicallyI believe in MOST issues..we Liberals tend to be correctHoweverI believe on this issue (especially its current state)We have absolutely LOST the pathand through it will lose credibility. We are attempting to take an issue and make it "all or nothing"either 100% this.. or 100% notwhen it is a VERY complex issuewith more causes than simply.. policing... or some form of systematic racial prejudicewe assume its either 100% that.. or nothingwhile ignoring the very statements our leaders were making about supposed care about rule of law and orderwe make ourselves out to look at like actors
AND SADLYI will be called racist for simply stating the factsregardless of being a Liberal or notthat is how far we have fallenand how unwilling we are to follow the facts if they dont fit the narrativewe lie to ourselves sometimesand ignore our own stated beliefs... to keep up with whatever we think is true progressweve done it with education (being that I work in it... full time history teacher... its an absolute shit show... and at times is a sign of how racism is simply accepted in liberal agendas.. as long as its pointed towards whites) SOMETIMESI can't help but just shake my headand wonder what the hell we think we are doingmost of the time im absolutely happy with our movementsbut sometimes... im almost ashamed
Well SaidI think the issue many have is that Black murders are often politicized while White murders are usually ignored^ and sadly they can often happen in the exact same way. but what you said is true that we need to concentrate on the wrongful killings of police (though that assumes that all of these were outright murders.. . as opposed to self defense... there are times where people are killed by cops because they are a legitimate threat)
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So blacks are almost killed at half the rate they should be killed at by police.
I ran the Hispanic numbers as well and they're also about 60.4% of what you expect based on their criminal activity. All and all a lot of cops seem to be giving special treatment to minorities.
Blacks are killed in proportion to their population of criminal behavior. People who aren’t criminals rarely encounter the police. When you use that subset of population, whites are killed at the rate of 4/100000 - blacks at a rate of 3/100000. And that assumes that ZERO police shootings are justified.
You write really well.
Well said :)just made these same arguments to some people herea lot of people ignore that fact that Blacks make up a VERY disproportionate amount of the crimeit still doesn't excuse wrongful killings of unarmed menHOWEVER... a good portion of police shootings (if I remember correctly) are against armed individuals
A Harvard economist who was trying to prove that cops kill black people more frequently found that cops are actually less likely to shoot black people but you'll never hear that on CNN, MSNBC, or any other liberal media organization
That's because blacks are exponentially more likely to violently attack police officers
@Rangers Yes, they also commit are disproportionate amount of the crimeusually nearly half of all murders each year is committed by the black community (and usually against other blacks)
It's not my chart
^ I think you also have to take in consideration the majority of Crime committed in this country is from the Black community as welltake murders for examplemost years they are recorded (according to FBI stats) Blacks commit nearly 1/2 of all Murders in the United States.. (and most of that Black on Black) so given the far higher crime rates...STILL it does not excuse wrongful killings
In that case, look up the numbers yourself, or delete the chart. It's misleading.
^ Blacks also commit a very disproportionate amount of the crime (nearly half of all murders each year for example... usually against other blacks)
It's almost like poverty and crime go together or like somebody organization it to be that way. Hmmm
You are correct about the correlation between Crime and Povertybut would you say that Poverty is an excuse for Crime.. or an excuse for murder?^ that is where I would state that a lack of accountability existsTHERE ARE ISSUESbut the arguments are the wrong ones.
But that's not the reason why they started and the reason behind the rioting is it?
The reason why they started the rioting is that someone in their infinite knowledge decided that it was a smart idea to try stop peaceful protests and otherwise ignore them.
If I saw "All Lives Matter ButSome Cops Don't Care"I will see some good unity and right direction and view to go on
They started because a cop being a dick who didn't care to take the man serious actions ended up killing him by accident cause I'm pretty sure he thought he was toying with the cop but he wasn't he really couldn't breathe and ended up dyingAnd Cop and the rest of his group are getting charged for they're mistakeJustice is at handCase close in that case don't you think Just like how its supposed to go when you kill someone
That is just bad marketing. "Black lives matter" is a perfectly fine statement and you would have agreed before there was a concerted effort to undermine the term itself and something similar would happen to anything you would have proposed or have proposed including "All Lives Matter ButSome Cops Don't Care".Also this did not start with the cops killing someone. Millions of people do not demonstrate in the streets because the cops killed someone. This is FAAAAR larger and has been going on for literal decades.
Just posted since some think cops kill blacks more which isn't the case
I like that youve been downvoted so much for being honestthe fact isblacks commit a very disproportionate amount of the crime (nearly half of all murders each year for example)people dont usually care about thisit also assumes that all shootings by police are wrongful (in many cases they are in self defense.. or protection of innocents)
Obvious sarcasm has gone over peoples heads oh my 🤣
^ though it is no excuse for Police killings (though many are also out of self defense)Blacks commit the majority of Crimes in the United Statesfor example...nearly half of Murders in the USA every year are committed by Blacks (usually against Blacks)So though statistically Blacks make up around 25% of 30% of Police killings (depending on the year)... They also make up a significantly larger amount of the Crime Rate.
Did I?Guess someone else has posted it Before I
Yes. It’s better to use your GaG name and not be anonymous, then people can track repeated questions
You have me confused with someone elseI'm not whoever you may think I am
I know. Still no need to ask this question anonymously
Doesn't matter cause either way i ask it its still going to be anonymous since my Info is random
That’s my entire point. No need to click on the anonymous option because your GaG account is still anonymous
Really doesn't matter But yeahWe're both right
Must be my White Privilege XD
Maybe look at the population difference?
@SwordShield Blacks are 13% of the population, 50% of the violent crime, 52% of the murders. The amount of white people is irrelevant, what percentage of the murder rate is more important. I could go on but the facts aren't hard to find if you really are interested in the truth.
Due to culture, most likely. There's crime culture in the community, and there's gun culture in the white community, which leads to most likely more or equal deadly exchanges with police. There are probably invisible factors that have not accounted this fact.
Blacks are 13% of the population, 50% of the violent crime, 52% of the murders. The amount of white people is irrelevant, what percentage of the murder rate is more important.
Yes but are there living conditions over all equal to there other counterparts because we both know other factors play into it to pretend they don't is wilful ignorance just place king a state without the information that correlates it is not how statistics are meant to be used and I'm pretty sure u know that
I think the issue with that statement is that it assumes that conditions allow for a lack of accountability.
Them most certainly don't but it would be silly to assume that poor conditions breed crime via violence or drug abuse that is evedanced where ever u look around the world
Yesbut my statement is thatSimply because you come from a Crime ridden region.. does not give you a free ticket to commit crimeWHITES also suffer from high poverty rates (I grew up in a neighborhood.. that was significantly poorer than most black neighborhoods)The issue then tends to be a mix of desperationBUT also of Culturethere is a slight bit of victimhood in black culture through gang violence (be it black on black.. or black on other minorities)along with a community that largely has broken families... a general lack of respect for education (high drop out rates)... etc etc etcYES these are influenced by povertybut I do not believe that there is ever an excuse for murderand if you are a small community that commits far more crime than any other... then its very likely you will have many run ins with the police departmentsAND its very likely many will fear investingits a circular problemthat isn't as simple as policing issues or racism
No it's not as simple as that and only a fool would claim it to also be that simple and and no point did I say there is no self accountability but the numbers don't lie and they do show the poorer conditions that people live in and come from the higher the rates of violence drug abuse and murder again this is not the only factor that goes into it but we can't deny it plays a massive part and yes due to this they will have more run ins with the police but that does not justify police abusing powers when dealing with them as with the last case and many before yes he may have been a criminal but was that worthy of a death sentence on the spot
I am not validating police abusebut purely stating there really shouldn't be any disagreement with the statistics that have been postedMANY LIBERALS (being Liberal myself) have an issue with accepting that the Black suffers from something more than just Poverty/Racism.. and Police issuesthere are MANY MANY problems within the Black communities. and many of them are self madeBUT if you say that (once again im Liberal).. Liberals will often call you racist. its just simply a fact that the issues within the black community are far more complex than we would like.
I agree stats don't lie but it's not as simple as throwing out a state and going this proves this as stats can be made to look a certain way without working out the reason behind them racism like I said plays a part but the biggest one no using your last example broken families poor education and 1 I'll add being brought up through the care and foster system we know the vast majority of people that land I gangs or prison tend to have lived these expirances such as being kicked out of school alcohol abuse or domestic violence these are areas that need to be changed for you to tackle violence in those communities I would say where policing is involved I'll have to find the report but it's was looked at around the world and no country that has stricter sentences in themself helped to reduce the crime rates of said country just looking at the US for example has some of the straicteset sentences around the world yet still has some of the highest crime rates so simply putting more police out there and making sentencing even harsher is clearly not the answer and that's not me saying the police should be cancelled because they will always for me anyway have a place if that makes sence
(Also I apologise for spelling and grammar and block texts I'm a retard that can just about get my thoughts down)👍🏽
Honestly his statistics are correct (and available) However its not something people care to talk about^ even when discussing the the fact that Whites are killed more often.. you hear that "well blacks make up 13% of the population. but 25% of the police killings"... which also ignores they commit a disproportionate amount of the crimes (nearly half of all murders each year... usually against Blacks)^ but that doesn't excuse wrongful killings (assuming ALL of them are... lets be honest in some cases.. perpetrators are threats to not only innocent people but also to police themselves... )Police get killed in the line of duty for reasons as wellnot because everyone they meet are friendlyjust realities that are difficult to acceptand take that from someone who is very Liberal in my ideologies.
The statistic is actually is true, but the OP is not taking into account population differences. Once you factor in the population differences you realize that black people on an individual level are 2.5 times more likely than white people to be shot by the police.
^ also take into consideration that Blacks commit the majority of crimesnearly half of all murders every year are committed by Blacks (most of the time against other Blacks)so basicallyBlacks are disproportionately killed by Cops on the basis of their population sizebut they also commit a disproportionate amount of the crime.
Nope The Messiah is who I have been risen to