There can never be a mutual agreement. Women are seeking special privileges not equality. and that has shown in several occasions and societal arrangements. They also seek an equality of outcome where they are given privileges that will easily enable them to gain as much monetary stability as men with little to no effort put in as compared to men. I highly doubt most women will even accept the fact that they aren't looking for equality but superiority.
My heart goes to you and you are absolutely right that some women are part of it. But there are some good me too and eventually things will change. Try your best to spread the message but please stay safe while doing so.
I live in England now
@Shezadi hi, follow me; i wnat to pm.
So disgusting what is happening there. I feel horrible for you. Thankfully Denmark isn't that bad yet, but if things keep on going, I dont know...
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You sound like a beautiful young woman too.. Bless your heart and your parents
You sound like me
I am just curious why you are not adapting the same ideologies and behaviours by men in your society.. I am genuinely interested to know
You have actually never looked into this have you? Look outside the feminist echo chamber and you will quickly see that this is not the case.Only when you group all jobs of men and all jobs of women and completely ignore all other variables, do you get a wage gap. This is so easily debunked it’s laughable.Cat calls are not a gender issue, it’s a quality of person issue. Just as many scum, ghetto, trash women catcall men as scum, ghetto, trash men catcall women. you never see a guy in a suit catcall a girl.
@LogicBomberEh, no. It was a study published showing a difference taking in account relevant variables such as job, experience, age and all that stuff that still showed a difference that cannot be explained.www.cbs.nl/.../loonverschil-tussen-mannen-en-vrouwen-iets-kleiner
Err I don’t speak whatever language that is, so ai can’t verify the data.www.cnbc.com/.../...-about-the-gender-pay-gap.htmlwww.forbes.com/.../fee.org/.../
@LogicBomber Okay. You can't verify the data, doesn't sound like you "verified" those other sources either. Either way, the study proves there is an unexplained wage gap. End of story. I hope you understand that your first article addresses absolutely nothing about the unexplained gap in wages despite correcting for things. Nor does your second article. Basically, both of them are irrelevant. And here's a pretty often cited (1058 times and published in one of the most prestigious journals) study that does explicitly argue there is an unexplained gender wage gap. Blau, F. D., & Kahn, L. M. (2017). The gender wage gap: Extent, trends, and explanations. Journal of Economic Literature, 55(3), 789-865.They explicitly state "Gender differences in occupations and industries, as well as differences in gender roles and the gender division of labor remain important, and research based on experimental evidence strongly suggests that discrimination cannot be discounted." and "the unexplained gap [wage gap] did not fall further subsequently, remaining in this range over the succeeding twenty years [from 1990 to 2010]" and "' By 2010, the raw and unexplained female shortfalls in wages... were larger for the highly skilled than for others, suggesting that developments in the labor market for executives and highly skilled workers especially favored men" in spite of the education difference being reversed.
Basically, there is a wage difference that cannot be explained by typical arguments nor do psychological reasons seem to be that strong (in the same study)
@tartaarsaus Oooh, hey can you do us (people who aren't morons) a favor by letting @LogicBomber know how deeply stupid he really is? Tell him to read this, if you could repost it for me so that he sees it. Thanks!
Blocking someone who disagrees with you means you're stupid. ↗
That unexplained wage difference is less than 2 percent and the not being explained doesn’t by default mean sexism. It’s more likely a variable like most others which relies on choices by the sexes.The wage gap is not taken seriously by any legitimate economist. There are way to many variables in play to make a black and white call. Which is what wage gap lovers do.
“The wage gap is not taken seriously by any legitimate economist”Okay. How about backing that up by a citation of a paper that states there is a clear consensus in academia that it is nonsense? Sophisticated research is possible and has been carried out for decades that suggest there does seem to be an unexplained wage gap. Sure, there are aspects difficult to quantify, but the evidence thusfar suggests it does exist.As for 3 big economists who argue it does exist, and this is just on top of my head:- Paul Krugman: one of the most accomplished economists in his generation and Nobel Prize winner- Joseph Stiglitz, again Nobel Prize winner- Thomas Piketty: arguably the leading economist on inequality - Esther Duflo: Nobel Prize winner
I am not going to pretend to know the same level of knowledge as these individuals but I believe the Harvard link i posted above is a valid source of scholarly information, and here is one from a female economist.www.heritage.org/.../pay-gap-myth-ignores-womens-intentional-job-choicesand another female economist explains the same.www.weforum.org/.../could you link to where these men show their findings. I would like to read their observations and explinations.
logicbomber u stupid boy. actually wage gap in some european countries, which are more developed than america is 20% in finance. so wage gap is a thing. what are you trying to disprove?
@_Jay_ I am pointing out that when you actually take in to account all variables, the wage gap all but disappears.
false. I don't know where the fuck you live. but where im at, the wage gaps are large. 11%. not so big on low wage jobs. but very very big on good end jobs. so a female director gets much less than a male director. at the same company.
@_Jay_ You can’t use hollywood as an example!The “jobs” are paid on product. Those who make more money get paid more money. It’s that simple.
ok lets make it this. we have a big company with a great ceo whos gender does not matter. he has two managers. a man and a woman. in this case, a woman will get up to 20% less than a man. so if a man gets 11eur per hour then a woman gets only 8 or 9. that is the wage gap we are talking about. but honestly i think the reason is different. its just that wages, at least here, aren't public. i believe all workers should know every other workers' wage to get to fight for their right to equal pay. because the law does state that people doing same job must have an equal wage in the same company.
@_Jay_ again, that isn’t taking in all the variables. It assumes they have the exact job, with the exact responsibilities, work the exact hours, take the exact time off, have both been equally aggressive in their demands for a raise, etc.It is almost never the case.
actually it quite often is.
and another point is that even if wage gap was only because women work lower paying jobs than men, that would also be a case of sexism and a sad situation.
@_Jay_ how is it sexism if women choose not to work the jobs that kill and men do? Jobs that require you to risk your life deserve more money
honey. military people get much less than people in finance. women dont choose not to work them. society pressures them into it.
Yeah now, alcoholism was greatly used back in the day. Women were just as miserable. Ymand yeah, working sucks. But guess what, not as much as relying on your husband to make all the money and basically get an allowance. Women would much rather make their own money and be part of the working class (the majority of women) than women back in the day. Women where still trying to work, even using fake names to get things published, etc. Also, nah, "alpha" is just a cheap term used on sad people like you who like to think their special
@Mystic_Nova Cite your source that alcoholism was ever more prevalent than it is today, for women individually or society as a whole...I never said women shouldn't have a "right" to work. I simply stated they didn't have to. Men were more than happy to be providers "back then" and all throughout history. Attempting to fight the natural order of things since the beginning of time and as early as the 1970s, will make people as unhappy as you. And when there are so many who do so, will make men as radical as me. Thank you for proving my point.
@Mystic_Nova And no, Alpha just means "Non-PC" say exactly what it is (regarding society) without fear of reprisal or consequence. Of course, even I will admit to "some fear" I do need to make the almighty shekel, thus, masks must be worn like our enemy. I do not like to wear a mask during activism. But it is better than losing my job because of PC culture.
How can one not lose faith in humanity hearing this? But it gives me hope when I see men like you talking about it and rejecting these behaviours. I hope more speak and do something about it. We need the support of good men we absolutely do.
Lol fair enough
I'm so sorry to hear that
And why would I do that? You assumed that this question is aimed to storm some gender topic or debate.. I am not interested in such topics. I asked to listen to the experience of other women around the world. To help if I can and to receive help or advice. I am not interested in debating anything about feminism or what men in the western world are upset about with modern women. I have my own reasoning for asking and I welcome everyone who wish to share an opinion or an advice that's helpful or kind. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Many will debate that.. But I will refrain and appreciate your contribution. I also believe in some cases, situations, or countries being a man is more difficult so I of course acknowledge your experience 🌹
I would actually like to hear your words on it. I'm currently from the us so that might also be a bit different from other places in the world. But I would be interested to hear your take on it
Maybe some othertime dear.. Have a lovely day 🌹😊
Ok, fair enough. But I am open to hearing your side. I'd say here in the states being a woman is more of a blessing because women are more encouraged and supported. Given it's not by a lot but they receive quite a lot of encouragement and support here. A quick example is the woman's center that is basically at every college.
They are quite independent and strong here. At these that's what I think anyway
@American_CenturionI agree with all you said, except I think it's a curse.Just like it's a curse to be a spoiled child.
Not all Muslim woman by those in the Middle East mostly. BT not all Muslims thanks.
@TheAfrikan You are a man... Don't they practice female genital mutilation in that country?
@ManHater where specifically do you refer to. Since Africa is a big continent compromised of more than 54 countries. And each country has more than 50 different cultures. And each culture has it's own beliefs. So some used to do that practice bt never seen one in my life. thanks
Thank you for your willingness to listen and having an open heart to accept other people experiences
Hahaha God that was painful
It’s the only painful thing you have to deal with so get over it. You live in a world with endless female only clubs, groups, funding, scholarships, housing, police bias in your favor, court bias in your favor, 100% parental rights, school bias in your favor, gyncentrism, etc.Your ignorance to these and your shaming tactics don’t make these things untrue.
Don’t bother responding with shaming tactics. It you can’t form an argument without them, you don’t have an argument.
So funny.. what shaming tactics are you even talking about! you are giving yourself so much importance really tbh 🤷♀️You know nothing about me and the question clearly was directed towards women to share their experiences from around the world if they wish. And your comment is even laughable because I am not a feminist, or live in the west, or believe in the war between genders and actually people who know me will know that I am aware of the occasional unfavourable treatment of men in some countries. So please give me a break and get off your high horse, chill and take a joke every once in a whil. Don't always filter everything you read based on your personal beliefs and experience and have an open mind. If you misunderstand someone just ask. And have a wonderful day 🌹
I didn’t misunderstand anything, you are literally just a gender baiting troll. You dropped a sexist grenade and ran with you tail between your legs.
I won’t waste any more of my time.
Dude you really need help and obviously is the troll. Anyway I am not bothering with you anymore. There is no essence in what you say and apparently you are just bitter, full of hate and have so much free time. I'm done with this funny encounter.
Well at least you sound as a wise one.. Have a lovely day!
You have some real issues to say that so negatively.
i honestly dont think i do. its just the harrassment on the streets, wage gap and all that shit.
Either you live in some actually junky country or you fell for the feminist propaganda. Sounds like the latter.
i live in Europe. i know you dont believe in wage gap but it is a thing. a thing that could be solved but isn't. and harrassment on the streets is a legit thing and first started when i got 14. so thats an actual and serious issue.
Who asked about confidence or about what men wants or think in general? sorry to break it to you but this question is not about men and in fact you didn't even read it carefully to understand it! Have a nice day though 🌹
I was saying that you should feel blessed to be a woman since you don't have to be the confident and assertive one in dating and you don't really need to have any skills or in body certain behaviors or strategy on how to get a date
I admit to misunderstanding you.. I am terribly sorry and I hope you accept my apologies 🙏.. You came back calm, respectful, and wise and I appreciate that 🌹.. I really wanted to hear from women and help if I can. Concerning your point.. I actually agree to it the pressure on men when it comes to dating is much more significant and the burden is mainly on men. That's true.
It's another reminder that if a guy has this mindset or just admits what I'm feeling, he is labeled as being a whiner or just being a baby or having a victim mentality, but not the other way around if a woman feels the same way, women will gain more sympathy
I understand your point of view
I assume you have old-fashioned mindset when it comes to dating
This question honestly wasn't about dating.. I was trying to listen to other women and also understand certain challenges that I am facing and how other women are coping to them. With dating I live in a culture where that is not really quite acceptable but I don't want to go into it. My experience I'm sure will not benefit you much and I hope if I had answers to your comments. The experience I have would be irrelevant to your culture. But I believe generally that what you're saying is true and it would be good if women can take some of that burden too. Bless you though.
To be more specific, I was asking if you personally, feel it's the guys role to make the first move or ask a girl out first, be the initiator in starting a relationship.It reminds me that, this comment I saw on social media over a year ago, it really angered and pissed me off, it was this guy who is a pickup artist, he made a comment towards a guy who was expressing his anger and frustration over what's expected of guys, and he said this:"Boo fucking hoo. We also don't have to go through child birth and we're strong as fuck. Testosterone gives us ambition + mental and physical strength that MANY (not all) women are lacking. Being a man has many benefits and with great power comes great responsibility. Stop crying about it and get your fucking shit together"I got very pissed off when I saw that comment, piss me off so much that it made me feel like hitting him or punching him.Reason why it pissed me off is because, it reminds me that being a guy, it's much more difficult to get sympathy or empathy from life and Society if you are going through hardship or are struggling socially.
A woman still needs to be confident and assertive if she wants a good quality man. If a woman just gave up, did not do any effort to improve herself, her character snd just waited for some guy to approach her, those kind of girls are boring and men who are also confident and have things to offer want more than this basic mentality.
@Porcelaine well that's because women normally play a passive role in dating/mating
An interesing guy will not be interested in a passive girl. So women can be passive all they want, that does not do them any favors
@Porcelaine ya well how often do girls approach guys or ask guys out first? That normally doesn't happen
Maybe not with strangers, but often if a girl likes a guy she already knows, at work, or school, or any other place she sees him regularly, she will take the initiative and do something. If she doesn't ask him out, she would at least make sure to get his attention, or show attention herself. That way the guy sees a green light and its much easier to ask her out when she already showed interest.
@Porcelaine women normally won't open their mouth first in front of a guy
To strangers? Less, if they are in a club, a bar, women approach way less than men. But if they already know the man and see him regularly, they do talk to him first a lot.
@Porcelaine what about asking him out on a date first or asking for his number first? That normally doesn't happen
Yes, men do that more, but I see women do it too. The thing is a lot of women are labeled desperate when they do this, or the guy is less interested if a girl is too easy to get. But if they dont ask for the phone number, they give the phone number, or show him some signs to encourage him to ask her out, show that she is interested.
@Porcelaine a lot of men are unable to see those signs
That's good to hear.. I am curious though what makea it a blessing? I am genuinely curious
Men are extra nice to women
Men used to be nice to women more places, but feminism doesn't want men to be nice to women.