The difference between a scientific theory and a theory is the former is able to be proven repeatedly by the current method, whilr a theort can't be proven right or wrong because its just a concept, a string of ideas with no real world counter part thsg can be measured, calculated and proven accurate time and time againScience is forever evolving thanks to figuring out what right and wrong, with the current scientific method we have come to use thanks to understand all those false theories we've had massive technological and scientific advances, that same method has proven LGBTQI+ to be normal to be down to the DNA and structures of the brain but people just ignore that because "scientists have been wrong in the past" sure but they didn't have the scientific knowledge we do, the knowledge that is on the edges of playing god
Yes, I'm aware, and these where shown to be true based upon the experimental data they had at the time and then technology advanced and they saw that it was in fact something completely different. This is how science works. Once something is posited as a theory it doesn't mean it can never be undone, nuclear and quantum physics undid a lot of Newtonian physics that were repeatable because we were finally able to make measurements small enough to see that they were ever so slightly off which were not observable before hand.If you think science is immutable once its made a theory, then you do not understand science.As for your claims, that's actually quite incorrect. It is not "normal" as normal would require it to be the norm i. e. "conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected." which LBTQ is far from being approximately, at its highest estimates (and most estimates place it at half the number) 10% of the population. That is not typical, by definition that is atypical. As for brainstructures yes that is true, that however doesn't really mean much. Mental retardation is brain structure and genetic induced, that doesn't make it good. It also doesn't make it bad, it just makes it what it is. Homosexuality is a defect as it inhibits proper reproduction no different then some one with a low sperm count or fertility issues.
Now your trying to apply science for something that it is not meant for. Science doesn't dictate morality, it doesn't dictate what is acceptable, or what is good. It says what is, all else is opinion. If you want to say that their is nothing wrong with homosexuality or LGBT on a moral level, fine, science neither agrees nor disagrees with that statement (it is only interested in what is not how we perceive it), you can argue that point (and others will argue otherwise for their own reasons). But that is not the same as suggesting that science validates these things. I mean science is also used to understand cancer which is caused by genetics, does that make it a good thing or a bad thing? Neither, whether or not its good or bad is subjective, science only explains the mechanisms.The other issue with your statement is that it presumes any and all claims are true. Many people who have transitioned regret that decision and realize that they are not in fact transgender (not all, but many). Others claim to be nonbinary which science really doesn't back (Just because we have millions of traits that can fall on a particular spectrum doesn't mean we have multiple genders or no genders, it means we have two genders and certain traits are more common in one and the other but the overwhelming majority fall into one category or another with varying degrees of crossover but none of which are perfectly ambiguis). In fact the existence of transexuals proves both that gender is binary as well as being biological in origin.
The fact is debate is required in science and nothing is ever set in stone. What you are doing is what so many religious people do, to quote George Bernard Shaw, "No man ever believes that the bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.". That is what you are doing here with science and your LGBT agenda. Instead of attacking people and insulting them and deciding that every one who disagrees with your view is wrong and bad, ask them why. You will find that they will have some varied answers.For example have you considered why their was opposition to gay marriages? That their was a reason for it beyond just people deciding to hate people they never met for no particular reason? Maybe if you showed as much tolerance to them as you expect to be given you will find that the overwhelming majority of people don't give a damn what you do with your life or any one elses for that matter. Maybe you will find that their is a reason for their belief (some may be able to articulate it better then others too).
For example if you look the more a society reaches the end of its life span (as all empires and cultures do), the more promiscous they become but also the more open to alternate sexualities they become. This seems to correspond with the collapse of civilizations (we see it in ancient rome, Persia, edo period japan, Greece at its height, England at its peak (which is were most bondage instruments were invented (1800s or so) etc. etc.). So maybe that's why the bible sees it as bad, because its associated with societal collapse. Maybe that's fair and maybe its not, but its a reason that doesn't involve some one being stupid or inferior because they don't agree with it. Or it could be the fact that the family unit is the foundational block (along with agriculture which allowed for over production of goods and thus occupational specialization) of a civilization and gay marriage twists the purpose of it (originally it was a reproductive contract where both parties exchanged what they had, women reproduction and men resoures and protectiong) which made both parties invested in producing and maintaining their budding civilizations because the man had to produce more for his family and he had offspring (prior to which most men did not reproduce, only the top males did (this lead to a lot of violence and males not participating because their was little point since they got nothing from it)) that would carry on to the future making him care about it. So when you change the definition of marriage to love, your screwing with a foundational block of society (this by the way is more then likely the reason why every civilization that allowed homosexuality did so under the very strict rules of them having a wife and children (they were allowed to "get it out of their system" so long as they had their family and reason to produce and be apart of the society for its future rather then just the present.).
Does all of that make any of this right? No, but it doesn't make it wrong either, its simply a perspective that your not willing to acknowledge which then begs the question, why would any one then be willing to acknowledge yours? If your not trying to understand there why, then you don't really have a right to be upset when they don't care about your why either.
mental disabilities or as you so elegantly put it "retardation" effects every day activities, homosexuality doesn'tOkay you have some good points on the science argument, ill hand you that, sure future method might disprove homosexuality as nothing a mental defect but the fact that it doesn't effect the individual in day-to-day life suggests its not equivalent to a mental defect like autism or somethingAnd statistically you're also right only a small percentage are openly qweer maybe only a small percentage are closeted too thats hard to tell, so sure i admit i personally can't continue to argue that point more based on the fact that dont know moreThe argument you now have is its equivalent to have low sperm count or having fertility issues, its really not a gay couple can have normal levels sperm, can have children ot doesn't effects that one but what it does effect it the attraction towards the same gender[Warning possibly too much information] Personally i find the female genitals weird and yucky and also anal pleasure has become my favourite choice of climaxing because the brain seeks out something that gives it pleasureHomosexuality is also in other animals possibly in the same percentage as humans, there are lions who are gay and penguins and even dolphins, probably many other animals i didn't name because i dont have information to share
I 100% agree with you on the fact that both side kinda have a habit of completing refusing to listen to the other side ofbthrw argument, that shit is wrong but somehow has become the only thing thag mattersFor example, a few years ago, a openly gay man tried to have an open conversation with anti LGBT people... It was the blind rage of the far left that forced the conversation to not even beingAt the same time anti gay people refuse listen for emotional or religious reasons not every does that unfortunately its the far right that are louder much like the far left, those who take a more central position are drowned out by the much louder more extreme ends of both sides preventing any progressA wise man once said "it is important to draw wisdom from different places if you draw it from only one, it become ridge and stale"Unfortunately the us vs them mentality is stopping this from be heard
Retardation was the clinical term for decades before people decided arbitrarily that it was offensive. Prior to that idiot was the clinical term. After that it became handicapped. Then that was offensive, so it became disabled, which was also found to be offensive because "reasons", so it changed to "special needs people", then that was offensive and now we are at "differently abled" all of them refer to the same thing and not one of them is said to maintain the persons dignity as a human being because otherwise they wouldn't keep changing the terms. Retardation means to slow, an impediment. I find it more offensive to pander then to speak the truth of what some one with a disability has (In fact their is a very good ted talk about it from a handicapped woman).As for the defect, it is a defect, that doesn't mean that the person themselves is worthless or bad. Being near sighted is a defect, never heard of anyone claiming they are less human or less valuable to society because of it. Their isn't a human being in the world that doesn't have some defect or another, most of my family is color blind, doesn't mean they are inhumane or worthless, it just means they have a defect as most people do. This is the mindset that causes problems within the LGBT community, the idea that one must conform or your some how inferior. People with low IQs are abnormal, so are people with high IQs, abnormality and defect are neutral terms, they don't have to be a negative unless you decide it is and most in the community do in fact see themselves as a negative (because otherwise their would be no push to try and normalize it when its not normal (again, that doesn't mean bad or good, only abnormal (I pace when I think, that's not normal, its also not bad (its just what it is)).
Hmm, no, i get your point yeah alsobeing called disabled is offensive, surely not? My brother is physically disabled and he doesn't say its offensive lolPerhaps if later down the line homosexuality is proven to be a mental disorder which some people say it is, why do those same people more often than not treat the mentally disabled gay folks as mentally disabled and not the plight of humanity hahaFolks dont go around punishing autistic people for being autistic, in fact more often than not folks try their best to accommodate and hell them deal with life but gay, oof, you're a cursed being and possibly contagious by just existing and that can effect my children all that BS
I said it is similar in that the person you wish to mate with is incapable of producing offspring with you. Would you have preferred that I equated it to Gerontophilia instead? Your missing the point, you want to reproduce with some one you cannot reproduce with, so yes you have the capacity to reproduce physically, but not the drive to reproduce with a person you are physically capable of doing so with. As for homosexuality, sure, not saying it can't happen. Their are also genetic defects in them (most just die before it gets documented because nature is rather unforgiving). We also know that captivity will increase certain behaviors (its called a behavioral sink (the mouse utopia experiment is the most famous one. Shows pretty much how and why societies collapse and most of them become increasingly sexually deviant (again, as a deviation from the norm, not a moral judgment (though some I would most definitely judge (like pedophilia (also something we are seeing an increase of by the way)).
But again, its a meaningless argument because animals also do a whole lot of things we don't do, and a defect that also exists in an animal doesn't make it less of a defect in a human (again, you are trying to use normalcy as an argument for homosexuality showing that you think that being different is equivalent to being less then those who are not different (which is a mentality that I think is quite stupid. Again, different is completely unrelated to quality)).As for the extremists, well they are the minority. You will never hear the majorities opinion because the majority of people just want to be left alone to live their lives. Yeah, they probably have opinions on it, but they are not set in stone they are not demanding others live as they do. I knew a religious man who as he put it, he "didn't agree with it but I don't think they should be treated any differently either.". So yeah, his religion informed his opinion (and again, that doesn't necessarily mean the religious opinion is a wrong one, if you don't analyze its roots how can you say whether or not it is wrong?). Another was against gay marriage because by definition it was between a man and a woman (and again, it was that's an objective statement). But upon finding out that their are many legal benefits to marriage (tax cuts, visitation for hospitals etc.), he changed his mind. That was not a man who hated gays, he had a different view but value of the individual was not part of that opinion.
Idek whay Gerontophilia is ill have to research that word later tonightYour argument is gay people wanting to reproduce with other gay people, id personally say not about that, sex for humans isn't solely about reproduction, sure the drive for that is in every human but that's paired with the fact that sex is pleasurable and thats why many people have sex without wanting children, the same is for gay folksIt feels better because you're attracted sexually and physically to the same gender not for mating but for pleasures and emotional attachment
In short (and I apologize, I write a lot (I don't know how to be more concise)), your argument is that of normalcy which every one knows its not normal, its that its genetic (which technically is only half true, we know that environmental factors also play a role (our body changes with the environmental factors and experiences so both play a role in whether or not you express a gene or not) which is irrelevant to what your trying to argue. The discussion you should be having is that it doesn't affect others and you can still contribute ergo whether or not your gay is irrelevant.
Okay you are right my argument is about normalcy and yeah environmental factors have be proven to alao be a factorQuite possibly it is normal to me to not fight and pretend to be not gay and perhaps that's why i argue that point
So is my uncle (polio), but my point is that every one is constantly trying to change the word because some one else decides its offensive which is why I simply choose not to go along (like I said it gets changed so often it becomes tiresome and quite frankly I am anti authoritarian, I don't like when others tell me what I can and cannot say).Gerontophilia is the sexual attraction to the elderly (i. e. technically you can still reproduce but they are past the age of doing so, since you wanted to get technical). As for sexuality, yeah, sure sex is definitely more then just reproduction (just read a study talking about how we may have actually evolved some of our sexual traits to encourage pair bonding (explains the release of oxytocin (the "love" hormone), but that doesn't change the fact that you are impaired from a reproductive stand point. I mean you can have sex with a woman to have a child, but will you? Could you really stomach that? Probably not. Again, not saying its bad or good, it just is what it is.As for the punishment, honestly I don't think that is common and most of it is "self inflicted". The fact is the LGBT community has become ever more aggressive, ever more "in your face" then before. I mean I have seen clips from gay pride parades, I'm sorry but those are not just parades, those are hyper sexualized to the extreme (and children are present their). For every action their is an equal and opposite reaction so if some people think okay I don't agree with it, that's going to be a minor annoyance. But when you start telling people they are not allowed to have an opinion on something, that if they say something that you disagree with (not you specifically but in this case speaking out against certain behaviors) that they are evil and bad then all you do is create a pressure cooker where they become ever more spiteful and angry and then it blows up.
Take the masterpiece bakery case. The owner stated he didn't feel comfortable making a gay wedding cake, but he offered to make them one for any other event they may have and even gave them the number for a bakery that could get them that cake. Now maybe you disagree with that but their is nothing intentionally cruel or demeaning their. So naturally the couple sued him. They could have gone to the recommended baker, but they chose to spend large sums of money to take this all the way to the supreme court. So what does that do to people on that side of the argument? It tells them your hostile to them and that makes them angry and the more of these events they see the angrier they get. I have a friend who hated gay people for years, never could understand it. Eventually he mellowed out and I found out it was because a gay guy sexually assaulted him, started groping him and he kept rejecting the guy and he kept trying to grope him until finally the guy grabbed his genitals. So he flipped out quite understandably. But you know what made him so rabidly angry and hateful towards gays? It was the fact that after he flipped out from being sexually assualted people told him he was a homophobe and a bad person for being angry. That's were his resentment comes from.So that is what I mean by self inflicted, when you don't allow some one an outlet for their ideas, opinions or feelings, your just creating a pressure cooker and it will explode (hell that's what we are seeing in the political landscape today, what could have been addressed reasonably and rectified easily is now brining us to the brink of civil war).
Jesus Christ I write to much, sorry.
That sir might actually be the most logical response I've seen hereAlso I've no idea what lascivious means lol i just dislike being talking down on me and other because they dont conform to their ideas of normal and healthyWhen folks discriminate against anyone from the LGBTQI+ community it's not exactly fair to hate on people for who they because they dont follow someone elses lifestyle
Thank you.Basically it means acting in a sexually flirtatious manner.Yeah, I dislike being talked down to also. I think that people can disagree and yet still get along, even if they disagree about something fundamental.I agree with you. We shouldn't discriminate or hate someone because of their lifestyle. What I also think is an underhanded tactic is labeling someone as hateful or discriminatory because they disagree with you. And I see that a lot unfortunately.Take this issue for instance. Let's say someone doesn't agree with homosexual marriage. That could mean they are hateful and discriminatory. But not necessarily. Maybe they just don't think it's a smart legal idea. Maybe they have a moral issue with it. And yet they still could love the person who is in that kind of situation. They just disagree with their life choices. But this kind of nuance is not allowed in the public debate. You either celebrate it or you hate it. Those are the only two options left anymore
Agreed, we're becoming a society that believes in black and white morals and not the grey mess life isWe need to learn that you csn disagree without being aggressive but understanding and accepting different ways of life
Right. Agreed.So then it seems like you are on the side that is in full support of the LBGTQ lifestyle. What would you say about someone who disagrees with you?
if someone said "I think LGBTQI+ is wrong and here's why..." it 'why' isn't based on hate, fear or religious reason then cool, not everyone cmwill agree with you but that doesn't and shouldn't ever give you reason to verbally or physically attack others. You csn disagree and live peacefully
Amen!!! That's very well said.So what if someone said to you, "homosexuality is wrong". And they just left it there, without context. What would you say?
Without defending your opinion and leaving it as that, then I'm fully in my right to assume the worse in themI'd 100% call them out for being homophobic until the moment they either back up their statement with logical reasoning and not emotional or religious reasoning, or is proven to be actually homophobic. Sure I understand that's not totally right but if you're going to say something like that, dont be lazy and teach us why you believe that.Heck! If someone said they hated gay people but didn't go out of their way to display that hate then id be okay with it, we'll just pretend each other doesn't exist be up front about who you are, hell we gays are hahah
That's really interesting. So why would you assume the worst about them? Isn't that intolerant? The reason why I brought up this example is I have seen with my own eyes people who claim to be against hate verbally lashing someone because they don't celebrate LGBTQ. The person who was under verbal assault tried to defend their position and all they got out was that they didn't agree with gay marriage. And in their case, it was for political and moral reasons, but they had nothing against gay people.Unfortunately, the pro LGBTQ person immediately jumped down their throat and started calling them hateful and homophobic.So I would encourage you to not assume the worst about someone just because they haven't told you their argument. I am sure that you would feel very upset if they did that to you.Isn't This kind of relating? Where we assume the best about each other, what we all wish would be done with us? Where we could state our opinions, no matter how controversial they are, and those listening would not immediately assume we have a bad character and bad intentions, but instead would seek to understand us. If we then showed our reasons to be hate filled and homophobic then they could rightly make a judgment against us. But until that point, perhaps giving someone the benefit of the doubt is best. Even if it's painful in the moment
Shut up with your logic!I Angy now because you're rightPerhaps i am also a part of the same problem however i firmly believe that if you're going to state something, you should support that with logic else be taking in the wrong contextOf course both sides are wrong in different ways, pro LGBTQI+ can be quick to fire and faster to refuse to accept a view point that counters their own because it is from an emotional point of view.Those who are homophobic are attacking their very identities but give absolutely no option for different view points. However anti LGBTQI+ are actually dangerous take the new us law that allows doctors to just ignore their oath towards transsexuals and non binary people its because of stuff like this that sparks a quick pushing of violent and unfortunately non violent people against their own views.A wise man once said "it is important to draw wisdom from different places, if you take it from one place it becomes ridge and stale"But we live in a time where toure either in or out and not both or neither, both sides are wrong because each refuse to hold a reasonable conversion
Hahaha, You're a good man.It takes courage to be open to different perspectives. But like you said, it's wise to take in different points of view.And yeah, I think this is a distinction that not a lot of people make but is actually really helpful. Anyone can be fundamentalist. Anyone can be closed-minded. Even if they're position is naked truth itself, if they are closed-minded then how can they know it with certainty? And if they preach it to others without listening, they will just shut others out from their perspective because they have treated them unfairly. They have presumed to dictate to the other's judgment, as opposed to using genuine persuasion.So if an LGBT person or an anti LGBT person is unwilling to listen to the other side with an open mind and heart, then they are both in the wrong for the same reason. Far better to listen to those you disagree with. If you are wrong then you will come to the truth. And if you are right, then by being so open and genuine you will perhaps convince the other to come to your side.Unfortunately, as you said, we live in a time where everything has become tribal. Your inner you're out. If you bring nuance into the conversation, if you do anything but celebrate the established narrative, then you are attacked and ostracized
The main problem is anti-lgbt are more often than not in the wrong while pro-lgbt are just tryinf to fight for the equality they rightfully deserve as human beingsTime and time again those a against seek to harm those who are within the community such the law in the states that allows doctors who disagree with trans and non binary to just not help them at all and ignore their oath.But sure pro side refuse to allow people to disagree peacefully out of protection of human rights towards members of for community because people do disagree blatant disregard for human rights can go completely under the radar
You know what's crazy? A lot of people on the other side feel the same way. So the question is, who's going to make the first move to reach across the aisle? Who's going to be the one to stand up and be bigger than the infighting?You said that there is a law that allows doctors to ignore their hypocritic oath and just not help trans and non-binary people? I feel like I would have heard of this. Can you point it out?
I would honestly love to show you this law but its late, now if you allow me time to find it during the day then thats gooThe reasons it went under the rader is because at the same time a law to give more protection towards LGBTQI+ in the work place was past and of course the media loved it, great news, tomorrow I'll supply the links towards itNow on the topic of reaching out you'll love this a few years ago a openly gay man tried that but i bet you anything you won't guess what stopped him from actually achieving this very thing xD
Yeah, no problem. You can show me tomorrow.So you're thinking the media only covered the good one?Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if he got completely shut down. But that doesn't mean it's not worth trying. Over and over. Have you ever heard of Daryl Davis?
Basically he got shut down by the pro lgbt people because they swarmed every building he was in trying to reach out to anti LGBT peopleAnd Daryl, the guy that befriends KKK members, that guy has balls bigger than an elephant
Wait, and openly gay man got shut down by pro LGBT people? You mean they were so filled with hate that they didn't even want him to connect with people who disagreed with him and maybe convince them?Yeah, that guy! He has big brass cojones. I think it's over 380 KKK members he has already brought out
Basically, their hate for straight people plus mob mentality added up to be blinded by rage and forced the openly gay man to stop trying to open a conversation with anti LGBT people. It was a time where straight white males where demonised the most, still kinda are but not to the extent where just opening a door was called sexism and could lose your job for it.Yeah that guy is a fucking legend!
Wow, that is so sad! People sabotaging their own side!Kind of reminds me of what happened to that guy from Colorado who wouldn't bake the cake for the LGBTQ wedding.Yeah, he really is!
Yeah... But wasn't his reason? Like because he felt like he was going to be a part of the wedding and when eating his cakes it was "like having a piece of myself" or something like that?If I remember correctly, that shit is kinda... Red flag right? What part? Do we want to learn the secrets ingredient?
No, that wasn't him. In his case, it was pretty gross the way he was treated. They came in and asked to buy a cake for a gay wedding. He said sure, no problem. Then they asked him to make a cake specifically for their wedding and they wanted to design it so that it celebrated their marriage. He was morally opposed to gay marriage, so he said he was fine if they wanted to buy and already made cake but he wouldn't make one specifically for that reason.They sued him and it went all the way up to the supreme Court. Twice. And they have now sued him a third time.Even worse, it turns out they went to a bunch of bakeries in the area. He was the fourth or fifth bakery and the only one to refuse to make the cake. So they could have gotten it anywhere else, but they didn't want to because they were spoiling for a fight.In other words, he was targeted and set up
No matter what side you stand, there will always be the good and the bad, the people who did that were clearly a part ofbthe worst side of humanitythats why i choose to be truest neutral possible but according to my friends that basically makes me evil, down right evil.Just because i enjoy arguments like people ebjoy roller-coasters and I have a habit of stoking the flames out of boredom and kinda... Possibly caused brexit out of giggles doesn't mean I'm evil 😭 just morally grey
Yes, well said! A position can be good or bad, and a person can be good or bad. And they don't always overlap.And that's a very damaging perspective they have, isn't it? To say that you don't agree with them makes you evil is to say that they are mortally superior. That they are the arbiters of truth. It's a very arrogant position, and it shuts down all real conversation.Possibly caused brexit? 😂😂
It was my first time actually bothering to vote and... Well i no longer vote be clearly i can't be trusted to vote responsiblyBut yes, pro and anti are both in the wrong in place but ibwould argue anti are more wrong than pro
Oh I see. You didn't think it had any chance of passing and so you voted for it just for a lark.Yeah, they are both wrong sometimes. Do you think anti are more wrong than pro in terms of the positions they take or in terms of the way they discuss those positions?
Hello agaon Grond, unfortunately I've been unable to find the US law that i stated before, sorry only evidence was a tweet and let's face it those aren't and should be taking as facts 100% of the timeThe reasons why i say anti are kore wrong is even if they're passive about they dislike towards LGBTQI+ matters when things go horribly wrong for the community, like breaching human rights, being punished by work places or business or even the government, they dont care one bit, and sometimes when LGBTQI+ get another law passed to give them more protection some anti people will say something like "why are we giving the gays more rights" the thing about that argument is, the LGBTQI+ community still has less rights than heterosexual peopleI guess its the position they take and some cases both the way they discuss thkse positions because not every one is discriminating against the LGBTQI some folks simply dont like or care about it which is fine, as long as you admit you choose to be against equality and maybe we should go back to when white men ruled the world
Correction: shouldn't be taken as fact*
Yeah, sometimes tweets, just like headlines, can be deceptive. I actually looked it up also, and the only thing I found was that Obama made a rule that people have to be treated like their identified gender. But this can cause problems. If a woman is pregnant and she says she is a trans male, she will be treated like she is obese. This happened in Nebraska I believe it was, and the babies were killed. If you take a pregnancy test with a female body then you're pregnant. If you take a pregnancy test with a male body then you have prostate cancer. So you have to be treated not how the person identifies, but whatever biological sex you were born with.That must be super frustrating! I can definitely see why it makes you mad.And so what kind of rights do you think that LGBTQI+ people don't have that everyone else does?Yeah, some people don't care. And some people aren't discriminating. It would be nice if everyone just treated others as equals
Just to name one, trans rights.Trying to force trans people to use their biological gender toilet is batshit crazy stupid. The fear is a Trans woman is a man and you dont want s man following your kid into the loos.Bitch please! If a man wanted to following a kid into a toilet they wouldn't go through hormones and surgery to do itOn the otherhand, you'd end up having transmen, who look 100% like men in the women toilets with a dick and everything.Gay rights have had like 30+ rights towards equality for then trans less than 10 I'd personally say gay rights are almost there on par with standard rights of hetero folks
Hmm. Okay, I can see what you're saying about someone who goes through the hormones and surgery. And in the case of a man who decides he is trans, and then goes into the girl's bathroom but hasn't done hormones or surgery? What then?I am not sure what you mean when you say 'rights'. Can you define it so I can understand better?
Well, personally i think if a trans woman hasn't had the medical professional counselling all trans people have which can take years before they're allow to start taking hormones then they should be allowed, anyone can claim to be trans, its not ideal but perhaps there should be a system that after the counselling and during hormonal treatment and until they have had surgery the individual should have a identification to prove they have the right to use their correct toilet.The argument of "they shouldn't have prove it" i think is a little flawed think of it as requiring to have a driver licence it could be used to help protect those who are trans
Ahh, interesting. So if I am understanding you correctly, you think that trans women shouldn't be able to go into a girl's bathroom unless they pass some kind of measure that ensures they are serious and not just trying to get a glance at some girl in her undies?And once they pass that it's okay, but not before?
Its using the system in places already, to make sure that a trans person is 100% meant to be trans, everyone who seeks to undergo hormones and surgery must past like 1-3 years worth of questions, tests and psychological examination, once thats done they should ve given some form of id much like a drivers license or passport to ensure they're protected to use the correct rest room without being told otherwise so if they're every questioned they can just show the card and not have explain why they're in right to use the bathroomWithout this hypothetical trans id card a person claiming to be trans just to grt away with disgusting acts will have extra steps in the way which might prevent them using "oh but im trans" to get away with it and im the end of the day, and proper trans woman wouldn't even do those thing in the first place.Forcing a trans man into a female loo might actually cause more problems, image a woman walking into a loo to see a man, bread, dick and everything standing in the loo, oh no she's actually a women just trans i can see that being an easier excuses for the sick men to use than, actually being trans and using the correct loos
This is a fascinating idea! I would never would have considered this. That you could have someone who undergoes several years of hormones, surgery, tests and psychological evaluations, and because of that commitment and significant change they could actually get an ID card that would allow them to live as the opposite gender. It's a unique strategy that I never would have considered.Because you're right, without that it is such an easy system to abuse. There are boys who decide to become trans and they are middling boy athletes, But when they join the girls team they shoot up to Nationals level and start winning awards. And yet they change nothing other than calling themselves a girl. There are men who claim to be women in order to get moved to a woman's prison, both for the company if you will and also because it has lower security. There was even a boy in California who said he was a girl and explicitly said that he was doing it so he could go in the girl's restrooms. And yet because his school wanted to virtue signal they let him do it.I like this idea though. I need to think about it more
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Agree, it’s more of a term exaggerated for greater impact.
I can agree, maybe the gays shouldn't call straight folks "breeders" and "worthless" pretty sure that called being hypocritical afPersonally im okay with people disagreeing with me being gay but verbally attacking isn't alright and should be vilified for of course its gotten better but its just not seen as equal to heterosexuality by everyone yet
The people who say that work in a place that is predominantly homosexual, and celebratedly so. Heterosexual people are the minority, and they're berated for it. It's the inverse of an retirement home, and makes me question if equal treatment is possible, since both sides seem to inherently judge and are otherwise obnoxious.I don't care who is or isn't, I simply don't want to hear about their escapades, the same as I would say to anyone except an asexual person for obvious reasons.
can't hate you for stating a fact.
Hahahah that phobia is just the greatest "fuck you" in all human history.Like someone came to the doctors being like "im scared of big words" and after the doctors refused to acknowledge it and the patient returning everyday theyre where clearly like "fuck sake, you have a case of Hippopotomonstrkseaquopedaliophobia" just to try and shut them up only to actually joking but officially give the phobia a name
Fucking awesome!! I am a fan!
phobia/ˈfəʊbɪə/nounan extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.homophobia/ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə, ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/noundislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.They're too different meanings if you look at after phobias they'll be defined as a fear of said thingSuch as arachnophobianounextreme or irrational fear of spidersacrophobianounextreme or irrational fear of heightsAlthough its called homophobia its not a phobia in the same sense as actual phobias like the difference between a theory and a scientific theory although theu share the same word they have two different meanings due to the prefix
Yes, but what are you trying to say...
Homophobia isn't a just an irrational fear of homosexuals but also and very importantly about having a strong dislike or prejudice against homosexual people resulting in violence verbal abuse and sometimes legal or physical abusephobias dont lead to laws that allow doctors to ignore their oath towars you just because of your sexual identity
I know a lot of people don't want anything to do with them. But there distancing has not gone far enough to violence. True early ,70, s before it became legal it was open season on them. But bthsts was ,50, years ago...
True gay right have come a long way but what about after aspects of LGBTQI+ rights? This week in the states a law was past to allow doctors to just straight up ignore their oath if the patient is trans or non binaryWe have a loooong way to go until equally for all people regardless of sexual identity
It would seem wrong, I don't live in US. I'm both trans and non-binary, and have had no problems, about my stays in hospital...
phobia/ˈfəʊbɪə/nounan extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.homophobia/ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə, ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/noundislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.They're too different meanings if you look at after phobias they'll be defined as a fear of said thingSuch as arachnophobianounextreme or irrational fear of spidersacrophobianounextreme or irrational fear of heightsAlthough its called homophobia its not a phobia in the same sense as actual phobias like the difference between a theory and a scientific theory
"Phobia" is a medical term and should not be used lightly.Tbf I really hate how it's defined. People who don't like homosexuality are disgusted, not afraid.
My definition would be the official definitionadjectivehaving or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people
Okay, but thats not too far away from phobia=fear.If you just look at some of the questions here, you see quite a lot of people being aftaid of TV Kids shows turning the children gay if they watch lots of shows with homosexual characters
I mean... It won't make more but it'll help let those wjo are gay come out soonerIf more young gay kids see more, healthy, happy gay representions they might feel comfortable coming out sooner like if there was shows like shera and Kipo and voltron from netfilxs on mainstream tv back in the early 2000s i might have come out sooner as gay myself xDBut yeah i can see why people might consider it just being a fear of homosexuals but its not just a fear its the act of discrimination against the gays too :P
phobia/ˈfəʊbɪə/nounan extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.homophobia/ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə, ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/noundislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.They're too different meanings if you look at after phobias they'll be defined as a fear of said thing, just to name two actual phobias Such as arachnophobianounextreme or irrational fear of spidersacrophobianounextreme or irrational fear of heightsAlthough its called homophobia its not a phobia in the same sense as actual phobias like the difference between a theory and a scientific theory
But... It is? 🤔
No it isn’t
But some people do have or show a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.Saying its not real is like... Sayong nazis aren't real... Or extreme Christians aren't real
Do you want to control people’s thoughts because you can’t
True, its not easy to get rid od hate in people towards anyone different to themselves but we can try to limit the hate so people can live peacefullyBut your original point is, its not a real thing but it clearly is 🤣
no-one is controlling anyone's thought. We are labeling their behaviour and actions.Hell, no-one is even saying they can't do that. All we think is that they should have the guts to wear the label and not hide behind religion or some other excuse.
Hold up? Why do you think gays are perverted?
Anything other than sex between a man and a woman is a perverted form of sex. The definition has been lost because mankind is always trying to deviate from the natural order of God.
Actually nevermind, you're clearly a tin foil hat wearing nut case that thinks "ita only a matter of time" till alien show themselves on live TVI think your homophobic remark plus your belief in aliens just says it all x
Hmmm so order to feel better about your see you have to see me as a crazy person? Ok makes sense if you reduce someone’s to a nut case then you don’t have to subject yourself to a debate and find out if what they say is true. Well I’m always looking for the truth so I’ll probably never do that.
doesn't matter I've already reported youI have bet you believe in flat earth too as well as God and strangely aliens too. Feel free to read my reply in other people who disagree and see the difference between your argument and theirsAlso bye x
Straight men and woman can also get aids
Homophobiaadjectivehaving or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.No, no its not what the word beings its the same as a theory and a scientific theory, theyre two very different things xD