I actually think Biden being knocked off the media has helped him. The dude is a walking gaffe machine "the thing" "Dog -faced pony soldier" "You're full of sh*t" "AR-14 (an actual Armalite rifle but hasn't been made for over a generation and everyone knew he meant AR-15, making him look kind of dumb)" Losing his place without a teleprompter, his non-answer on The View to unwanted touching, "You Ain't Black." We basically have two guys who look better when the other guy is speaking.
@Liam_Hayden There is some truth in what you say, but it is axiomatic in politics that you cannot fight something with nothing. The latest Fox poll of REGISTERED voters - emphasis added - has the enthusiasm for Trump at twice that of Biden. Biden needs to motivate people to get out the vote - the same problem dogged Mrs. Clinton four years ago and it did not end well for her.Bottom line, will people be - particularly among the low turnout groups that make up such a large segment of the Democratic base (see also racial minorities) - motivated to go out and vote for a man whom they are already not enthusiastic about if they do not ever see him. Tend to think not.
A Fox poll. Because Fox has been such a reliable paragon. :)
@coffeewithcream It is also reflected in Gallup and Pew. (It is just Fox is the most recent.) In fact, Mr. Biden had a rally - limited to 20 people - this past week. Only 5 people showed up. (Of which, as you might expect, President Trump made jolly good fun.)As someone said, there are a large number of Biden voters out there. Not many Biden supporters.
Which one is worse @Blondegirl1214, dementia or racism + sexism + communism + greed? Still don’t understand why people believe trump would make a better president over Biden when he loses his mind half the time he goes public
i suspect the biden campaign will try and use the coronations as an excuse to not have debates
@Konabeana i see no evidence of any of those things in trump, he just runs his mouth a little bit when he shouldn't but his policies are fair, reasonable, and sound
@Konabeana you just described Biden. He sexually assaulted Tara Reade. He’s made statements that showed how racist he is. And him being in bed with that Ukraine company shows how greedy he is. Yep that’s Biden.
@Konabeana Racism: Biden was a segregationist whose crime bill sent a generation of black fathers to prison for minor offenses. Sexism: Groping women and little girls Communism: Umm, yeah, look at his platform. Greed: You mean like using $1B in taxpayer money to bribe the Ukraine to fire the prosecutor who was investigating his son's company?www.nbcnews.com/.../joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6www.realclearpolitics.com/.../...f_prosecutor.html
I fucking HATE our two-party system!!!
@DonCachondo well that’s what we have
ok? no shit!
@007kingifrit I don't know much about American politics, can you tell me just what Trump has done that is good? He is pretty much universally hated here in Spain except for a few (althought they are actually more numerous than I would have thought) extremely right-wing nutters.And to be fair, he has done many things that could be considered sexist, racist, greedy, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, etc. For instance, threatening to veto a UN resolution on sexual violence in conflict over language on "sexual and reproductive health", claiming there were "fine people on both sides" (or something similar, I can't remember the exact words used) about a white supremacist rally, refusing to acknoledge pride month a couple of years in a row (not the worst of crimes but yeah), trying to ban transgender people from the military, forcing trans women into men's prisons (and vice-versa), where they are at increased danger of rape, the whole stuff about Mexico not sending its best, also the Muslim ban (which is discriminatory at best, at worst it goes against that whole religious freedom concept his supporters seem to embrace), etc. I don't know them all though.
Not sure where the communism part comes from though. I actually know a couple of actual communists (I have a very politically diverse friend group, ok? It doesn't mean I agree with them). Trump and communists are equally crazy but that's where the similarities end.
@DonCachondo there is no reason to hate the 2 party system. each party is compiled with more than 2 parties in it. so really we already have all the same parties we would already have. they just work within the 2 parties
@Aino13 i'm not interested in who does or doesn't like trump or if he does "sexist" or "racist" things. those are not concerns to the wise.i only care about his policies, politics is not a popularity contest. he renegotiated more than 50% of our entire trade portfolio, brought jobs back, and demanded nato allies pay their fair share all while not involving us in any unnecessary warstotally worth it
@Aino13 stop watching cnn
@Aino13 if you don't know much about American politics, keep you're opinions to yourself until you've learned enough to understand American politics. There is a lot more behind the scenes when it comes to ideology and politics than CNN or Fox will show you.
Like what? Injecting disinfectant?
Ya, that kind of thing
You know he not only didn't tell people to do that, he suggested that doctors look into it, but putting disinfecrant into your lungs is already a medical procedure currently in use/practice. It's called H202 nebulization therapy. H202, if you aren't already familiar, is hydrogen peroxide, which I'd imagine you know is a disinfectant. H202 nebulization therapy mistifies/vaporizses the hydrogen peroxide and puts it into the lungs, which coincidentally, is where COVID-19 is.
@crmoore Has it ever been proven to help? You know, in a double-blind test?
Helpful in regards to what? To combat Covid-19? Likely not, Covid is very recent and I can't confidently tell you that this procedure specifically does a good job in combating Covid, because I can't guarantee you that it has been used on it, whether for testing or other purposes. Not to mention, Trump didn't claim it was. He suggested that it could be something that the doctors look into. I also couldn't definitively tell you if it works well in doing anything else, because I'm not a doctor and haven't done extensive research on this particular procedure (of which wasn't the point, anyways, which I'll elaborate on in a little bit), but I can't imagine this procedure being used without proper testing, or with testing that resulted in its clear ineffectiveness, that just seems silly and I have a lot more trust in our doctors than to do something like that. As for it's effectiveness not being the point, the point was to combat the notion that "putting disinfectant into your body is an insane and terrible idea" or the notion "putting disinfectant into your body would seriously harm or kill you" or "Trump is an idiot for suggesting this" all of which are invalidated by the existence of this procedure. Not to mention, did people just forget about Whiskey? A literal disinfectant that people drink? Or what about radiotherapy/chemotherapy, a therapy specifically designed to put very harsh elements into your body with the specific intent to severely damage a large amount of the human body's cells? Perhaps the world isn't as simple as Trump haters think it is.
@crmoore I know there's a whole cottage industry based around making that suggestion sound reasonable, but you have to admit that most presidents wouldn't suggest anything to experts in public from a place of ignorance, no?
Yes, I agree. I haven't claimed otherwise. I don't trust Trump's medical judgement at all. I'm not defending his stance, I'm criticizing the bias it had in response.
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Are you realy saing Biden says more racist things the trump?
@Reamer Considering that Trump hasn't said anything racist and Biden has said multiple things that are racist, yes.
From a european perspective: you guys have serious problems over there. Trump is sooooo racist and you guys dont see that? I know not everybody likes trump. I saw this statistics where only 3 percent of African Americans said, that they support trump. It seems to me that the real trump supporters are white (older) people, who fear to loose there privileges. And thats racist too. Biden is an Democrat so i would vote for him.
@amylea98 No he isn't. He hasn't done anything racist. I mean no offense but why the hell would I trust a Europeans view on this? Your farther left then the far left of the US, the only information you get from the US is from our media which is over 90% on the left (provably, this has been documented from multiple sources and by multiple metrics). So your opinion is quite literally what his political opposition has told you it is. Again, he hasn't done a single thing that is racist and your more then welcome to try and state the things he has done as racist (because you will be completely misinformed (because your getting your information from places like our news agencies which have been caught lying through their teeth many times, or from democrats who have quite literally violated our laws and our constitution and attempted to over throw our democratically elected president before he even set foot in the white house.).
Ok to start he calls black people The Black... Mexicans rapist. And Muslim all kinds of nasty things.
@amylea98 As for Supporters, that is meaningless. Who cares what the race of the person is. I mean by that reasoning every person who disagrees with me hates white people then? Is that what we are doing now? Let me guess Venezuelan americans and Cuban americans all despise minorities too (as they are far more likely to vote conservative then any other group (because they have seen what the left can do when they take over and its not pretty)? So again, that is absurd to make that claim. the reason why they vote democrat is varied but it has nothing to do with conservatives being racist. I mean let me be perfectly clear here, that is an idiotic statement. If you did research you would understand why (your not from the US so I don't blame you for not knowing about this at least).
@amylea98 The republican party started as an anti slavery party. The first republican president was Abraham Lincoln who fought a massive civil war to end slavery and succeeded in doing so. Every single racist law that has ever been enacted in the US has been enacted by democrats. The KKK, a democrat racist terrorist group, killed blacks and republicans. Out of the nine civil rights acts that have been passed in the US between 1872 to 1993, eight of them were passed with a republican majority the only exception being the civil rights act of 1991 that made it harder to sue for descrimination (something that democrats voted in as a majority). As it pertains to immigration no president was harder on immigrants then Obama who deported more people then any other president in history. If we look at the immigration policies and deportations of the presidents by political party the democrats have been far more aggressive then republicans have. Their is no evidence of republicans being racist in any way shape or form. it is slander that democrats throw out in order to convince minorities to keep voting democrat. This is also why democrats oppose school choice, because it would end the defacto segregation of schools (something republicans oppose) and would actually allow them to integrate more thoroughly into society and by extension would make them less inclined to vote democrat once they see that every one isn't out to get them (statistically provable).
@amylea98 As for "rich white people", again, Cuban and Venezuelan americans are far more likely to vote republican (in the 90% range). As for the rich, Is Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world, a republican? No he is a democrat. How about Warren buffet (rich white man)? Democrat. How about Bill gates (rich white man)? Democrat as well. How about Mark Zuckerberg (rich white man)? Democrat. How about the owners of google the most powerful company in the world, are they republican? Nope, democrats (as are almost all higher ups within google (the people who control information I would point out). How about the owner of CNN? Democrat. How about George lucas (rich white guy)? Democrat. How about all of Hollywood (rich white people)? Overwhelmingly democrat. Seeing a trend here?
@amylea98 As for racism, tell me, has your country ever elected a minority to the highest position of power in the country not once but twice? No it hasn't. In fact no other country in the world has yet now suddenly we are all racists? Seems a little, I don't know, bullshitty. Doesn't quite add up. Well lets look at the statistics, who is the richest group in the US? Indians. Well that's weird, that's not a white ethnic group. Well what about the second richest group in the US? Filipino. Also not a white ethnic group. Hey, third times the charm right, so who is the third richest group in America? Thai. Okay, maybe fourth time is the charm right? Jewish. So no one in the top four is white in our incredibly racist society? That doesn't add up. How are Nigerian americans doing in the US? Well they are above average across the board even out earning german americans, irish americans, French americans, dutch americans etc. etc. They are also fare more likely to graduate college too, so no descrimination their. Again, are we seeing a trend yet?
@amylea98 According to statistical data cops are more likely to be killed by blacks then blacks are to be killed by cops. Statistically blacks are twice as likely to be let off with a warning compared to whites. Whites are more likely to be killed by cops then blacks (when we account for rates of criminality and population) yet blacks killed get seven times the coverage in the news. When it comes to acceptance into college and universities a white student has to get the equivalent of 380 points MORE then his black counterpart to be seen as EQUAL. Hiring quotas don't apply to whites. So who has the privilege here, because its not whites?
Pls show me these statics
@Reamer biden literally said he wants to make whites a minority and get rid of them 100percentfedup.com/.../
@Reamer Trump's a doof. Biden is a RACIST and always has been. His crime bill locked up a generation of black fathers for mostly minor offenses and he not only worked with segregationists, but was one. Not from a conservative site but from NBC Newswww.nbcnews.com/.../joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626
Note that I asked more racist, I didn't say baden wasn't
@Reamer Why, so you can completely ignore them or claim they come from a bias source, or that all of society is racist and that's how they got those statistics? We both know how this will play out, it plays out this way every god damn time and I'm getting fed up with people who don't do any research demanding I do it for them only to have them ignore the data. But here it is, remember, you have the data and now you have to admit your wrong instead of making excuses for why your still right despite all the evidence that you demanded:www.dailywire.com/.../5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandlerwww.washingtontimes.com/.../www.nationalreview.com/.../www.washingtonexaminer.com/.../100-republican-cuban-americans-high-on-trump-as-2020-ramps-up-in-florida
@Reamer As for your claims of Trump, that is an outright lie. He never said Mexicans were rapists, not once. He stated illegal aliens are more likely to commit crimes such as murder and rape which they statistically speaking, are. That is not the same as Mexican (the media made the claim because they are almost entirely on the left and it makes them money to slander the president. In fact they have had to issue multiple retractions for their claims about trump which people on the left never pay attention to (because none of you want to do your due diligence and only get your information from leftist sources instead of looking at information coming from both sides to balance things out (this is also a statistical fact)).
Leading with the daily wire a notably no creditable source shows your researcher power, I asked the question if the asker realy think biden is more racist then trump, You replay with articles about black people doing crime. So your argument from my point of is somthing to the effect ofTrumps not racist, black people do crime.Trump has tried to stop muslims from entering the usSaying "I'm a negotiator like you folk" to a group of Jewish peopleUsing the term "the blacks"Telling john r o'Donnell "I have black guys counting my money. ... I hate it"etc etc etc.
@Reamer Yeah the only reason why your saying that is because their politics are not your politics. If you have evidence that shows they are unreliable beyond "they are conservative and therefore evil", then all yoru doing is using your own bias to claim they are bias. Also I used four other non conservative sources because I know how people like you operate (self righteous, elitist and yet so completely ignorant to your own extreme bias and hypocrisy (you'll only recognize a source if it says everything you want it to say). That's also why your using straw man arguments, and not particularly good or clever ones either, to try and dismiss what was stated. As I stated he pointed to illegal aliens which are far more likely to commit crimes, this is a provable fact and has nothing to do with race. He hasn't said anything about blacks commiting crime to my knowledge so not sure why you would say it. He tried to put a temporary ban on several nations, none of which where the nations with the most muslims i. e. Turkey, India, Pakistan, etc. so no, he did not do a muslim ban or attempt one, but rather wanted a temporary ban on certain nations (nations Obama blew up) because we had no vetting system to determine their criminal background if any, and because terrorist groups openly stated they would use refuggees and immigrants as a means to infiltrate other nations (and they did so through out all of Europe).You are not worth my time. You dismissed facts and have shown that you are a zealot and are operating in bad faith so I am not going to waste any more of my time on you.
You are assuming what I belive, I'm saing that because they have been know to fabricate story's and proudly miss interpret statistics in the past,There are reliable right leaning news sources and unreliable left leaning news sources, I dont think Republicans are evil and i dont always disagree with somthing because it's right leaning. I openly hate the two party systeam and belive it will be the fall of America. I'm not the one dismissing fact, you just ignore and try to change what is being talked aboutAlso making bastless clames Also think you need to look but what zealot means,
Gerrymandering has nothing to do with it. The only popular votes that matter are the 56 that each give a plurality in the separate electoral districts (50 states + DC + 3 Congressional Districts in Nebraska and 2 Congressional Districts in Maine). all votes above the plurality vote are superfluous. That is what they battle for. Winning uncontested victories in California, New York, and Illinois by 2-1 to 3-1 margins doesn't help when you lose the contested battlegrounds 51%-49%. That is the way it has always been. For victory you need to get enough plurality wins in jurisdictions to secure 270. Pretty much the way the World Series is done. Win three games 10-0 and lose four games 1-0, you scored more runs but still lost the series. It is part of the strategy of campaigning. After losing and complaining that "We scored more overall runs" is a loser's excuse.
@Liam_Hayden You are right, gerrymandering has nothing to do with it, except in Nebraska and Maine, which aren't really battleground states. I misspoke. What I should have said, is "voter suppression".I don't think I complained about it though as my entire comment was about an upcoming election, so the tone-policing is not necessary, and trying to draw fire by calling someone a "loser" like a 9-year-old schoolyard bully isn't going to work either.
You are using the fallacy of equivocation of meaning here. I didn't call anyone a "loser" as a put down as you implied. I made the point that appealing to a statistic not used to determine actual victory is a loser's argument. A loser by definition - someone who actually loses.
@Liam_Hayden No, I'm admitting fault, and then using a different term. That's not even close to what the fallacy of equivocation of meaning is. That would be if I defined gerrymandering in two different ways in the same argument. What I am saying is that I was wrong to use the term gerrymandering; however, voter suppression, a different term with a different meaning, is an accurate term. You're trying to dismiss that by calling out a fallacy, which is in itself, the "Fallacy Fallacy". while your argument for invoking it is not sound because you have misidentified what the Fallacy of Equivocation of Meaning is.
Unfortunatley, people believe him.
But Obama did it better. Trump acknowledged Corona after 1 death in the US. Obama didn't acknowledge the swine flu until there were over 60,000 deaths in the US.
@NoBob117 I'm sure you'd like people to believe that. Maybe you even believe it yourself. However, the death toll in the US from Swine Flu in 2009 was 12,000, not 60,000. Over ten times as many have died from covid-19 in the US, so far, and about the same number will die in the next two or three weeks.The Obama administration didn't get everything right, nor did the Bush administration when they dealt with a pandemic, but they left behind institutional knowledge, a global network for detecting epidemics early and even a document, "The Pandemic Playbook", saying what they would do next time. Trump's administration ignored all that, and also the "wargame" intended to bring his administration's attention to the possibility of a pandemic.
I stand corrected. Thanks @goaded
@NoBob117 You're welcome! (Refreshing response! Usually, I get blocked.) C:
No no, if I'm wrong I'd much rather be corrected instead of continuing to spout off and make myself look like a fool.
@NoBob117 If you're interested, this is supposed to be the playbook, but I can't vouch for its authenticity or it being virus-free, take precautions! assets.documentcloud.org/.../Pandemic-Playbook.pdf
Important: don't read it if you have or want a security clearance with the US! (It's leaked.)
Ohh interesting. I'll have to check it out
@goaded At least they learn from their mistakes, that was great! Nobody is perfect. Trump should not ignore doctors, trump is not a doctor.
No, the riots actually hurt the Democrats because they are virtually all in Democratic controlled cities where Democratic mayors have refused to let cops do their jobs.
Don't you think they might have learned a lesson from that?
same, but i i always said Biden had a chance-i saw it really take shape over the bleach thing.
Yeah, I compare it to choosing between a compound fracture of the femur and a decapitation.
you must be viewing some really radical news if you think trump has ever signaled he would cheattotally fake extremist crap
Winning requires a majority of Electoral votes, not a majority of the people nationwide. How odd that people do not understand the way it has always been done since Washington's first victory.
@007kingifrit You're talking about the impeached guy who asked Russia for a negative information dump on his opponent; who has fired inspector's general investigating his administration; who has voted by mail but wants to eliminate voting by mail during a virus crisis; the list goes on.
@coffeewithcream Asked Ukraine for help, asked China for help...
@goaded neither of those is actually true. every president looks towards their own reelection and takes actions that they think will help them. that's not a bad thingin ukraine trump investigated wrongdoing. he is allowed to do that. joe biden's son did some shady shit and clearly joe biden knew about it... trump is allowed to investigate this and is allowed to ask for helpin china trump made deals with the chinese government to invest in places he wanted them to invest... this is not illegal or wrong in any way. its smart
@007kingifrit There's a difference between doing something that will be good for the country and doing something that might be bad for the country but help get you re-elected. Real presidents leave investigations to the law enforcement agencies, who will act if there's any evidence. And Bolton says he was asking for political help from the Chinese, too.
@goaded nothing trump did was bad for the country, infact it was all goodtrade war? good. investigating joe biden? good
@007kingifrit Tell that to the corn farmers. What good did getting impeached do for the country? And presidents are supposed to ensure free and fair elections.
@coffeewithcream the impeachment was invalid political slander, and joking at a rally about asking your opponent to get hacked is not a crimethe left can't meme
How do i delete comments? I decided trump campaigners like 007kingifrit are no longer welcome in my responses until they male some modicum of effort to learn any sliver of reality first.
The impeachment was absolutely a slam dunk clear cut proof of trump violating the constitution. But republicans were dedicated to exonerating him from the moment he came down that escalator.
There's an option something like "I don't want to see this", which deletes the comment, but I don't recommend it. I'd rather see the full context.
Eh. I just don't want ads in my comments is all, and that's pretty much what they're doing at this point.
@goaded the farmers loved the trade war, they are fine with short term loss for long term patriotic gainsand why bring up impeahment? it was a huge failure for the left, not trump's fault in any way he did nothing wrong there
sweetie i know more about reality than you, as evidenced by the fact i have logical well thought out responses to all of the bad talking points you lefties makeyou just aren't man enough to disagree with me like an adult
there was literally nothing trump did wrong in the impeachment, he didn't break the lawthey didn't even charge him with real laws. certainly not the constitutionthat should be proof to you that there is no violation of law here if they didn't even charge him with a real violation of law
Take your campaign ads elsewhere. Neither of us will fall for it here.
@007kingifrit @normalice You've got to love the way some people have to announce that they "have logical well thought out responses" or are very stable geniuses, rather than just demonstrating it.The farmers have received more than twice as much in taxpayer funds than the auto industry did under Obama. Hundreds have gone bankrupt, even so. And, there is no long term gain; Trump doesn't think long term.The Republicans presided over a farce of a trial, and now they're trying to stop the publication of information that should have come out during the impeachment process. Only one Republican senator had the moral courage to vote his conscience.
Avril Lavigne is Canadian.
Damn you’re right! She doesn’t have citizenship here 😂. I don't know then. But I’m not voting for any of those losers.
You'll need a president who knows how to hire staff (Trump had empty slots for years), legislate (Trump knew how to sign executive orders that were sometimes shot down by courts), get rid of the yes-men corporate lackies Trump put in place and restore inspectors general. That's just for a start.
i don't see how trump is doing a bad job. none of this is his fault and america handled things about as well as he could
@007kingifrit Babe, Trump is fucked. It scares me that you can't see that, like actually worries me.
Thats not true, look at the uk and then tell me trump is doing a bad job, Muslims everywhere, I dont watch news a lot but I know for sure that trump is doing more than a great job. Yeah he fucked up but so what? At least better than that Muslims lover.
@ManaWahine i kinda was asking you for specific details of how trump's policies are "fucked" as you say... but you couldn't answer with any details you just said HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE ITthat's not how we adults argue
What you all need to understand is the election will always be fixed rich guys in suits and sometimes ladies too select the president he is not really elected.
Trump is a joke! He a LAIR! He cutting funds. He cannot handle America & the coronavirus, he not wearing mask.
@Shomcmxcviii you clearly never actually been here... that story is total hogwash
@Kitty46 nothing that you just said is any more than nitpicking
If you haven't noticed... the economy Trump inherited... tanked.
And is starting to recover. I was projecting October gdp
Millions of jobs will not return. Other countries paid employers to keep citizens on the payroll. The United States, taking a different route, has a higher unemployment rate. The person at the top should be judged on management of the crisis. But it's the United States. What sells is the sizzle. Facts don't matter.
Glad we agree, in politics facts don’t matter. As I said if the economy is tanking in October people will vote Biden. This is why trump wants reopening ASAP. He knows people vote with their pocketbooks.But the vp choice for Biden is critical. If it’s Harris she could turn off undecided voters as she is more liberal than Biden.Should be entertaining as always. I vote for the best person based on their policies; so over the last 8 years that’s been one vote republican and one vote democratic. Those that always vote for one party regardless of the candidate I don’t agree with.
You're right, you need a better system for president. I'd suggest 10% (or whatever) support in every state to get on the ballot (people can support more than one candidate, but it should exclude the nutters), and then en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_votingOf course, that would destroy the parties' control over the presidency. Which would be a bonus.
No such thing as "losing the popular vote" because that is not how it has ever been done. Complaining about something that is not part of the rules is a loser's excuse. It would be like the 1960 Yankees saying "We scored more runs than the Pirates" as if that tarnishes the Pirates 4-3 games victory under the rules.
Really? So he won the popular vote then?
It's a yes or no isn't it? Your reasoning for my answer was pathetic and well empty. Explain your answer... if you can
Good company. Trump thought Finland was part of Russia and didn't know the UK was a nuclear power.
They are both claims by the same person who sounds like they now have a grudge (Bolton) Biden actually stated about Thatcher in a press conference in front of millions, the claims about Trump could possibly be true, whereas Biden, they are true! With so much bullshit floating around the media these days, unless I hear it from the horses mouth, I find much of what the media has to say, questionable at best!
Of the preceding 7 presidents, only one served two terms (although one was assassinated, and one resigned).
@goaded Obama served two terms.George W Bush served two terms.Clinton served two terms.George HW Bush served one term.Ronald Reagan served two terms.Jimmy Carter served one term.Gerald Ford served almost one term only because...Richard Nixon resigned in his second term.
Ford wasn't elected to continue as president. JFK was assassinated, leaving Johnson to a term and a half. The point is, that it's hardly a hard and fast rule!
@goaded Ford wasn't elected, but still matters. Even if discounted, that leaves Nixon who was elected two terms. Those are 7 presidents from Obama on back. Did I say it was a hard and fast rule? That's a conclusion you assumed, but there is an undeniable pattern. My statement about the last 28 years stands as accurate. Each president since 1992 has had two terms. That is not a debatable fact, as it happened.I also have no idea why Johnson or Kennedy has any bearing on the past seven presidents or the past 18 years, let alone Kennedy's assassination, though I suspect he would have held a second term had he been alive.
OK, fair enough, but do you happen to know the presidents' approval ratings before they were re-elected?
@goaded Not off-hand, but Gallup aggregated such info for you.news.gallup.com/.../...eelection-historically.aspxPeople may disapprove of Trump openly, or not, as plenty of loudmouths have virtual soapboxes by way of social media.Here's my little secret: I loathe politics and political discussion because it usually devolves into some borderline-religious sycophant drivel about employment rates (which are cooked numbers), jobs, and reminds me more of someone rooting for a team at a sporting event.I don't really care who wins; it's a pyrrhic victory to win a country that espouses GDP and military might as a be-all of how well its people live. I don't even believe the government is by or for the people, and have mentioned before that I see it as a plutocratic oligarchy, and that we are all serfs to the corporations that be. It doesn't matter who wins. I have no confidence in the system, and if this country didn't require insane amounts of money to leave, I would have left when I turned 18, and renounced citizenship. This country has done absolutely nothing but damage any attempt at success I've tried, or straight up damaged my health and body, leaving me to literally die homeless had I not had help from a friend.I'm not looking for sympathy in my statement, because sympathy does nothing. It's an inaction other than wasting one's emotions on a problem instead of solving it. If this country had a way to choose "no confidence" or took the non-voters as having chosen that, perhaps that might start to make a change. Instead, we have a two party system that people love to preach about, cite facts and statistics, villifying one another out of some self-righteous notion.
Have you ever heard of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting ?You could have a dozen candidates for president, and vote for the ones you approved of without having to worry about a "bad" one getting in.
@goaded Yep, I've heard of that, but it's simply not implemented. That candidates spend incredible amounts of money on advertising prevents so many commonplace people, who have a connection to far more of the country than anyone with inherited wealth.Things could be different, but they're not. We could change them, but don't. We prefer to delude ourselves that we must vote one way or the other.
Would you vote for a candidate who said he'd push for it?
Change needs to happen. Trump has provided more change in his three years in politics than Biden has in his 35 years of politics (proportionally speaking) so if you value change, look to the candidate who is most likely to provide change.
Historically peaceful protests help Democrats but riots hurt them, especially when they are almost all in Democrat-controlled areas.
Sounds like Trump as well. Both have serious problems
@NorthwestRider lol if you had watched interviews you wouldn't even be making the comparison.
@NorthwestRider Not really. Trump makes mistakes. Biden is a perpetual-motion gaffe machine. The best thing for him would be to stay in his basement and let Trump sink himself.
@Liam_Hayden lmao biden basically has early onset dementia. Watch him do interviews. He has trouble keeping a basic train of thought going.
Isn't his base in the high-risk group for covid-19? More Republican voters are going to die than Democratic voters.
Unfortunately, yes. :(
AOC needs to be 35 to be picked.
@coffeewithcream Even for VP? Guess so.
One of them put children into camps where a lot of those children then got raped. I mean, Biden sucks, but it's within the bounds of how politicians usually suck. He doesn't have to try to appeal to Neo-Nazis for some weird reason.
@WhistleForTheChoir uuuuuh you know the obama admin actually started locking up illegal immigrants at the border right?literally done by biden lol
@007kingifrit There are so many reasons this is a false equivalency, it's hard to pick one. Yeah, I don't like Joe Biden, but what he didn't do is take children away from their parents for weeks and months at a time, shove them in prisons and then rape them and lose them and refuse to take responsibility for it. It's like you are comparing internment camps to the Trail of Tears. One was significantly worse.
@WhistleForTheChoir who is to say he won't though when he has the top job... they are cut from the same cloth and reprazent the same interests. if you aren't seeing that then i feel sorry for you
No, they aren't. Biden is within the bounds of how a politician normally sucks, but he wouldn't commit crimes against humanity just to get people to like him. He is still political. Trump operates on a narcissist's impulses and that alone. He has destroyed the United States' influence, which has allowed China to fill in the gaps. Biden is capable of long-term planning, Trump is not. Trump is also an open racist trying to openly appeal to racists, Biden is a closeted racist who is trying to play nice. I don't like Biden, I didn't like Hillary, I wasn't crazy about Obama either. Both parties are right of center. That doesn't mean that every presidential candidate is the same. If you have a choice between being shot in the ass and shot in the gut, you'd do well to pick the ass, because then at least you might survive until help arrives..
@WhistleForTheChoir he hasn't had the power to do so yet which is exactly my point you seem to have missed... im pleased you picked a side if it makes you feel better but obama taught me they are all as bad as each other
No, I heard your point, it's just stupid. My point is that you don't understand anything about how the world works around you if you believe that.
Do you have any fucking idea how much damage Trump has done to this country in four years?
Not just the country, but the concept of democracy itself. In the United States and around the world.
@WhistleForTheChoir two points i will like you to consider... when communicating with a fellow site user please remain civil at all times and second, i hate trump with a passion but i think its sheer naivity to imagine that the democrats want anything different... sanders was the only real force for any significant change and whether you like it or not biden will just give you more of the same if he gets elected.
Well, that's out, isn't it?
I mean remember when everyone though Hillary was absolutely totally gonna win?
Do you remember when people were saying nobody would vote for Trump?
@goaded Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about.
Not until the electoral college gets replaced with a system which doesn't by design lead to a two-party system.
@mikebeckers that will hopefully never happen2 party system is best, each party contains smaller parties from within anyways
@007kingifrit Are you stupid? A two party system is why this country is so fucked up. Really, it is a single party nation if you think about it.
The state of everything right now especially with the political views from both trump and biden, they're both essentially promising the same thing
@NorthwestRider having more parties would not in any way improve things. if you think about it you already have dozens of political parties just built into the parties we already havetrump proved the system works, he was not a party insider and he took over and transformed a party from within
@007kingifrit Trump proved that someone could waltz in and take advantage of decades of dogwhistles by the Republican party. More choice for president would definitely improve things, because it would reduce the risk of an extreme candidate winning.You might like to read this: theconversation.com/a-field-guide-to-trumps-dangerous-rhetoric-139531
Almost no one thought he could win in 2016 either, so even though there's really no reason that he should win, I don't think it's at all certain that he won't.
@CallMeDave So your entire argument for why you think he'll win is people said he wouldn't win in 2016? Not a very convincing case as there's no similarities between now and 2016. He's not running against hillary, there's a pandemic, a recession and 45 million unemployed people.Like I said, not a single argument supported by evidence as to why he'll win.
I'm not saying that's an argument for why he will win. I'm saying it's an argument for why we can't be certain that he won't.
@CallMeDave not a very good one.