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If you compare the death rates to police intervention and custody instead of the general pop it's more than fair.
I think you will need to not only the percentage of blacks in the population but then take into consideration the number of murder blacks commit which is approximately 50% which means they will also have more contact with the police for violent crimes which also usually means a weapon is involved.
you need to do more than just adjust for population percentages. you also need to adjust for violent crime rates statistical data disproves any claim that black people are killed at higher rates, infact they are underrepresented in police use of lethal force scholar.harvard.edu/.../empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-forceinfact once we look at individual police behaviors show police hesitate longer to shoot black people www.researchgate.net/.../290437363_The_Reverse_Racism_Effect_Are_Cops_More_Hesitant_to_Shoot_Black_Than_White_Suspectsso you did more work than the average person but you still didn't do your statistical analysis correctly. infact we need to go deeper and take into account the fact that black people resist arrest way too often and more than anyone else combined
@007kingifrit Lol honey there is a lot of factors to consider. You can also see that the group that follows the statistic is Latinos. Again points to systemic racism and profiling. Also by looking at data and correlation of search stops, cops stop blacks most followed by Latinos based on percentage population. Stop and frisk, again shows racial bias and profiling. If we move to other areas we see more institutional racism. by the way the data I showed was from unarmed individuals, so I don’t see the need to shoot them. I’d we go further into the justice system we see lower sentences for whites than blacks for equal crimes. Blacks are also less likely to get parole even though they make up most of the prison population. If you’re truly interested I suggest you read “The New skin Crow,” it has all it sourced cited as well.
you are still talking about population %, i already disproved those childish claimspolice NEED stop blocks and latinos at disproportionate rates because they commit crimes more often. this is reasonable and goodgroups do more crime. group gets policed harder
@007kingifrit True. Suspect descriptions every night in a black neighborhood where a lot of crime is committed is “black male” and so they stop people matching the description of which there are many even with similar clothing or car. She needs to drive all the way into it to get the answer otherwise it’s just fake news.
@Jersey2 exactly. she only used one small statistic and that's pointless. this is an all or nothing topic ya either compile all the variables or none at all
@007kingifrit maybe certain people should be kept in prisons! Floyd was in and out of jail he should never have been let go. Count be some issues with their rehab program agains blacks but too many of them continue to commit further crime
@bubbles328 i agree, i notice that these types of events ONLY happen in left wing cities where laws on criminals are too lenient
@007kingifrit Lol no you didn’t disprove anything though. You just showed adding factors that barely make a dent in the disproportion. I showed you other facts on how the justice department that fails people of color, specially blacks. The disproportions are way too big to be taken down by a few things. Also it still doesn’t explain the shooting til death of unarmed individuals.
the factors i added didn't "barely make a dent" they fundamentally erase your entire narrativeadjusting for my factors blacks are underrepresented in police use of lethal force... there is no problem (except maybe against whites)
Is she wants to use facts, she needs to use all of them and accept the results. That’s what a grownup does. It’s actually an important life skill to look the real issues in the eye.
@007kingifrit yes they hardly made a difference. I don’t think you have a single clue of how basic statistics work. You still had no reply for any of the other factors that played in. You’re clinging to one fraction of information like you have nothing else. You also gave only one reliable source and some questionable one. All my data can be backed up by the DOJ, FBI, Census, and the NIJ. That just pertaining the legal system and not other government agencies. You just tried to cover a mountain with a pebble. It’s easy to try to dismiss statistics when you don’t understand that massive numbers behind them. Racial profiling has always existed and it’s gotten worse since the Nixon administration. So dismiss percentages but that’s not all I’ve mentioned and you’re still holding on to your one piece of information.
@Jersey2 You are completely right I can’t just use one piece of information just like your buddy did. Like I’ve mentioned fell free to take a look at “The New Jim Crow” and it’s extensive table on content that shows all its sources. I mean you can’t expect me to educate you in every single aspect of systemic racism.
If you can’t understand these points there is no point in discussing. You book is likely just more half assed opinion masquerading as a meaningful, in-depth look at the real data. Lol, poli-sci I mid term, 24 year old college student bullshit. Please tell me you are pursuing a degree in poly-sci... just worthless trash courses only good for a quick A in an elective.
@Jersey2 No I got my degree in social work and work in child welfare hun. Keep in mind that I told you about the sources not to take the author’s word. I don’t expect to say something and for people to just believe me. Again I can’t waste my time educating you. Have a lovely evening hun.
my data completely reversed the outcome. after including the variables i included blacks are UNDERREPRESENTED in police killingstotally reversing your hypothesis's evidence
@007kingifrit Lol you’re so cute thinking that one small variable changes the whole dynamic. Sometimes I wish I lived in a land of make believe like you. Bye hun take care.
i literally showed you it changes the whole dynamicwho on earth would make the argument one variable ( not small) doesn't change the data?you know what you just don't want it to be true. i shouldn't expect any different from a social "scientist", your profession is pseudoscience
@007kingifrit I’m not saying one variable can’t change things but not to the proportion of the argument being made, specially with data of unarmed individuals. Like I says luv, It’s adorable how people like you try to dismiss something huge and complex with a grain of salt. I gave you good sources to your disposal and did my part in putting facts on the table and you hardly gave anything. I could spend hours here giving you all the information I got but that’s just a waste of time because that information is readily available to everyone, with exemption of the book. It’s been nice talking to you because you’re not as rude as the others and I can really appreciate that. Better spoken too. The lack of substance was a real shame though. Enjoy your week. 👋♥️
so one variable CAN change things... and mine did.once you adjust for rate of violent crime the black arrest and death rate is totally reasonable. blacks do more crime
@007kingifrit Suuuure. Yes hun it did. I’d give you a gold star like I used to do with the special needs kids I used to work with. 👍 lol it’s just too cute seeing someone that only knows one thing and really clings on to it. Good job bud.
the stats are accurate. black people do commit 56% of all violent crime and are a much larger group of resisting arrest than anyone else. but only a black being killed by a white makes the news
@007kingifrit They are not accurate which is why you cite no sources. There is no report for the "commission or crime". So what you are referring to? The FBI or the DOJ. You see, there are only two reports on crime in the US. You are such an idiot, you don't even know which report you reference. So figure it out and get back to me. Then I will put you in your place.
here is your source www.channel4.com/.../factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime
@007kingifrit So you don't know that the table refers to the FBI arrest report?That's how big an idiot you are.
52% of all murder is done by black men... accept it
@007kingifrit Accept what? Do you admit you posted lies? What do the FBI arrest stats say, idiot?
i just linked to you accurate data that says 52% of all murders are done by blacks
@007kingifrit Dude, you posted this graphic.This graphic is a lie. A big hilarious lie. If you want to post about actual arrest reports, let's do that. But first admit you lied.
I am in favor of better police training and psychological background checks not that 95% of them even need them to begin with, but however I am not in favor of defunding or abolishing the police
Ok, let's take defunding/abolishing off the table. And sure, better training and background checks would help. But don't you think the three reforms I mentioned would be more effective?
the police very rarely kill an unarmed person though. a total of 2 were killed in 2019 for blacksit isn't a thing you can really fix when the numbers are that low
@007kingifrit 40... 40 unarmed civilians were killed in 2019. www.washingtonpost.com/.../...98f91ee6f_story.html4% of 998. And even one is one too many.
no 1 isn't too many. that's a utopia fallacy. those who seek utopia will inevitably make the world a worse placeyou need to accept imperfection even when it means death because your alternative solutions will be worse.also your 40 number includes situations where people had a gun and dropped it or situations where a perp was trying to take a gun from a cop
Yes exactly, but it has nothing to do with race
Right, it shouldn't. The "all lives matter" thing should, thus, be yet another rallying cry against police brutality. But it's not. And instead is used as the opposite of what it says (that cops should continue to be allowed to murder with impunity). We all know why..
There are a lot of injustice towards blacks, police profiling them on top of what I mentioned above being one of them. That’s why BLM is speaking out.
no they aren't. police brutality is not a common problem. its just that it gets lots of attention on media and social media and thus you PERCEIVE it as more common than it is
Does it have to be common by your standards before you people think it's worth addressing? How many people do you think the cops should be allowed to beat to death per year? Is there a quota? Can they do rollovers? What are you imagining is the benefit of all this?
Well bud di you know how many people doctors kill each year or abortions? I dont see us protesting those
If you were in a lab with a thousand Petri dishes that someone told you contained the four cells that can blossom into human once re-implanted in a uterus. But there was also one single living breathing baby. Then the lab catches fire and you can only save the screaming infant or the thousand Petri dishes. What do you choose?But whatever. The idea that because there are "people" dying that you don't think should die, therefore other people completely unrelated to the problem should also die, is a deeply psychotic version of whataboutism.
That's not at all what I said bud, I'm saying why aren't we talking about the deaths of millions of babies and millions of patients instead were talking about a few black people getting killed
I’m only interjecting on this once, but changing the subject to try to make the other one seem smaller or less important is also a problem. We’re talking about living beings being unjustly killed by authority figures, not unborn fetuses. Stick to the topic at hand.That’s all I’m saying.
Like I said, you're doing the whataboutism thing. Just because your psycho religion tells you abortion is murder doesn't mean you should be okay with real people who have nothing to do with abortion getting killed. You can care about both for the same reasons, but your racist ass is choosing not to on purpose.
@normalice the problem is if you try to fix extremely rare problems your broad sweeping changes will probably do more damage than doing nothing at allin 2019 a total of 2 unarmed black men were killed unfairly by police (maybe) ... and in the first 2 weeks of the riots 17 black men were killed in the riots (not including police) ... so congratz you literally made things way worseand that isn't even factoring into things the reality that police are no longer policing black neighborhoods resulting in higher deaths from crimelearn when to act, and when to do nothing. there has to be a consistent problem before you should do anything
Except we apparantly can't agree on what's "unfair." You seem to be of the mind that it's okay for cops to kill a few innocent black people, as long as they keep it low. I disagree and think it would be nice if police, at the very least, arrested each other for crime without needing to be rioted against first. Not sure why you aren't on boars with that. If you think policing is so stressful that they shoild be allowed to commit crime, tough shit. They can get a different job.
52% of all murders are done by black men www.channel4.com/.../factcheck-black-americans-commit-crimeso his stats are correct
@007kingifrit Your “source” is clearly agenda driven. Here’s Bureau of Justice, and above I linked FBI stats. Stay neutral before coming to the racist answer you wanted all along.https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf
my source links official data, it is not biased and it is not inaccurateyour source is agenda driven, not mine. it links to a specific study ONLY about blacks rather than taking them into context as a whole
@007kingifrit My link is the FBI. Yours is channel 4 bullshit.
my link contains first party links within it. your link is an SJW study on a myopic topic
@007kingifrit My link was the Dept of Justice.
ok here's the trusted informationstatistical data disproves any claim that black people are killed at higher rates, infact once you adjust for violent crime rate among other things they are underrepresented in police use of lethal force scholar.harvard.edu/.../empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-forceinfact studies show police hesitate longer to shoot black people www.researchgate.net/.../290437363_The_Reverse_Racism_Effect_Are_Cops_More_Hesitant_to_Shoot_Black_Than_White_Suspectsmy conclusion is that police brutality is not a common or significant issue at all... it just gets lots of attention on social media and thus people PERCEIVE it as more common than it is
@007kingifrit What you don't factor in is the myriad of other systemic problems are intertwined. If you listen to what the BLM movement is saying, which is quite clear and concise, then you would realize that cherry picking statistics that support your own point of view is just another part of the problem. I won't change your mind, you've already made it up, but I sure hope you give some deep thought as to why you are clinging to those specific perceptions and whether or not you are open minded enough to accept that all points of view can have valid dispositions and to sympathize with them to try to understand them.
there is no evidence of any systemic problems, any problem you can name is down to the black community's individual choices52% of all murder is done by black men www.channel4.com/.../factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime
only idiots and bigots who want an echo chamber use redditsystemic racism is not a real thing. you have no data to prove that it is real
It’s the difference between criminals killing criminals and cops killing unarmed civilians, obviously one sparks more controversy
@Archerer i don't think that's true, if a cop kills a white person there isn't much backlash unarmed or not
Qualified immunity, who gets called for non-violent matters or mental health matters, better training, stop being aggressive after the person is subdued and cuffed, who investigates the police, more disciplinary actions for malpractice, make cameras compulsory, etc.
I have always said it is a police issue, not a black issue. Police need more training and to be held accountable for killing or hurting people.
@bubbles328 people are so goddamn stupid and have a stick so far up their ass they can’t see the bigger picture
no cops need qualified immunity. you can't punish them for split second decisions in difficult situations or they will stop policing entirely if you make their job punishing to do... they will stop doing it
@007kingifrit Body cams would show everything. We know the difference between a split second decision and a corrupt cop. No one is saying you can’t make a fatal mistake but qualified immunity gives way to corruption so I have to disagree, and on your other post I do agree with you which is why my answer here was change is Needed regardless, so what if it’s BLM to bring it forward
the atlanta situation proves we DON'T know the d ifference between a split second decision and a corrupt cop
@007kingifrit I agree to some extent. This doesn’t happen half as much in other countries it occurs so much in the US because of the general attitudes of cops and the institutional beliefs placed on. They should get some immunity but if 4 cops can’t take a guy down without a serious mistake like killing him, without the use of guns the system is going wrong. I don't know if that cop was a racist I’m on the fence with that one but cops cannot just kill whoever they like when they like.
@bubbles328 well i don't think it does happen often. i think we are just not used to social media. social media pushes certain things to the top and we react to them.police brutality is super rare, but because of the media filter we PERCEIVE it as common
@007kingifrit Let the courts decide, that is my point. It won't work every time but giving immunity breeds more negativity than good.
no that can't work, even letting the courts decide would bankrupt the average copthey need immunity or they just won't do their job, and society will fall into chaosit may not be perfect, but its the best we have
@007kingifrit I disagree, what else can I say.