This seems very biased against liberals. The only people preaching mail voter fraud are the conservatives (at least from what I have seen) and with that very little proof. I'm scared for our country because we have been feed nonsense constantly through media. No particular way (political stance) is perfect and we need to accept that we need a more central position for our government. Political gridlock causes very little to be done, and when something does happen half the country usually doesn't like it. as a country if 325 million people, there are tons of different views but we need to ask ourselves this question. What kind of nation do we want to be? One that provides for our citizens and gives everyone equal opportunities and safety or one that let's the citizens live whatever way they want with out assistance or interference from the government. Either way, people won't like whatever we choose.So if we as a society can't seem to compromise on our basic platforms, what should we do about it? I think this is a discussion most people aren't ready for. I think as the baby boomer generation begins to take less and less part in government we will begin to have these discussions, and I hope that solve our problems united together, as a country should be.
It’s only biased if it’s not an accurate representation of them.There’s been plenty of mail vote problems, hundreds of ballots turning up bundled together in a mail box in the wrong town, people saying their vote went to someone when they didn’t vote, others saying their vote didn’t count when they sent it. Local elections getting cancelled, a large percentage of votes getting scrapped in recent elections, and in 2016 it was something like 6mil votes got scrapped. That could have been enough to swing the election.I agree that conservatives talk about it more, and I think that’s because they’re more interested in playing fair. It doesn’t suit either side to permit this because it raises doubts regardless of who won: Trump wins, the Dems complain to the Supreme Court, because of the doubts, the court rules in either parties favor and then disorder. Or Biden wins, Republicans go to the Supreme Court and it rules in either parties favor, then disorder.Again, yes I think disorder is more likely to come from the left, perhaps that’s bias, but it’s not like it hasn’t been overtly demonstrated over the last few years, especially since the Floyd riots.
They’re also not liberals. Liberalism is different from far-left.
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okay. I respect your opinion and I do think Biden can beat Trump its a possibility whether people like it or notBut don't you think basing your argument and decision to vote on polls is weird?The polls in 2016 said Hillary was winning by landslide , Some even said Hillary Clinton had 85% chance of winning but what happened we all know. How can we be so sure the polls aren't lying again?
at the end of the day they are just forecasts , it holds almost as much significance as the one I am conducting right now xD
Basing one's opinion on a gut feeling and wishful thinking is weird. The polls are a proxy for the election and are right way more often than their wrong.the 2016 polls weren't wrong if you looked at them carefully. National polls said hillary would win nationally and she won by 3 million votes.10 days before the election james comey announced an investigation into hillary, then trump started leading in the swing states which he narrowly won. the polls in swing states trump won either had him leading or were within the margin of error.the polls are favoring biden by a huge margin. in the swing states: he leads in WI by 6.5 points. This time in 2016 trump was leading in WI by 0.7 points. Biden leads in MI by 7.5 points. in 2016 trump led by 0.3 points.Biden has similar huge leads in the other swing states. It won't even be close and trumptards are running on wishful thinking that the polls are wrong.www.realclearpolitics.com/.../...s_biden-6247.html
Washington Post, Oct 25, 2016: "Donald Trump's chances of winning are approaching zero."www.washingtonpost.com/.../Well, you know what they say. Histort repeats itself.
@crmoore Trump cultists are pinning all their hopes on one thing: that the polls are wrong.History isn't repeating itself. trump isn't the outsider candidate anymore, biden hasn't been hate mongered for 30 years like hillary was, the fbi director isn't going announce an investigation into biden 10 days before the election, the economy is a wreck, there's a pandemic, trump isn't leading in any swing states like he was in 2016, and trump is the least popular president ever. Your delusions are going to come crashing down.
So be it 🤷♂️
@crmoore Trump doesn't even have a platform for 2020; a message as to why he deserves a second term. When asked by hannity what the agenda for a second term is, he had nothing. this is a failing campaign.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qng0hqjV-Zs
@crmoore 68% say the country is on the wrong track. But hey, why not give trump a second chance. lol. yeah right.
And what does "the country" mean? The president? The economy? The people? We've had riots in many places that latest weeks. Murder, theft, arson, rape, etc. Who in the right mind would say "I think this country is on the right track" after all of this mayhem?
@crmoore Obviously the people. It's a poll 🙄. You left out a pandemic that killed 130,000 people, a shattered economy and millions of unemployed people.
Okay, so you just used a poll about how people are dissatisfied with people as support that Donald Trump is disliked?
@crmoore Jesus christ, I get you're a trump cultist but are you really this dense? Can you not read the title of the poll on the graphic I posted?Here I'll spell it all out for you: A poll was taken asking people in america if the country is headed in the right direction or wrong track. 68% of people surveyed said the country is headed in the wrong direction. Get it now? jeeessuus.
@crmoore trump is the supposed leader of the country. it's a reflection on him. just like the president gets credit or blame for the economy, the president is held accountable for the direction of the country. sheesh.
Um, no, I don't get it. You just told me the poll regards the people. The poll regards the country, and when I asked you what "the country" pertains to, you said it pertains to the people, not the president. And I can assure you that these left-wing riots are not a reflection of Trump. That's like saying the school is to blame for a student's bad behavior. The question the pool mentions is tremendously broad, that's indisputable. And as a Trump supporter, even I would say the country is headed in the wrong direction. That's not paradoxical, ironic, or an oxymoron.
@crmoore omg you are so stupid. just shut up.
Spoken like a true Trumpee. Journalism has a use in the Excited States, but it ain't what you think it is.
Then they're all "ridiculously oversampling Democrats", because the last poll that showed Trump ahead in a matchup between the two was mid-Feb. www.realclearpolitics.com/.../...s_biden-6247.html
@goaded That doesn't mean their oversampling Democrats. It means Trump's support is slipping.
@coffeewithcream No! Say it ain't so! :)"With Donald Trump’s approval sinking to Jimmy Carter levels and coronavirus cases spiking across the country, Trump is reluctantly waking up to the grim reality that, if the current situation holds, his reelection is gone. Republicans that have spoken with Trump in recent days describe him as depressed and “down in the dumps.” “People around him think his heart’s not in it,” a Republican close to the White House said. Torn between the imperative to win suburban voters and his instincts to play to his base, Trump has complained to people that he’s in a political box with no obvious way out. According to the Republican, Trump called Tucker Carlson late last week and said, “what do I do? What do I do?”"www.vanityfair.com/.../trump-despondent-as-numbers-crater-loser-label-looms
@goaded Yeah, I read that already. Interesting you read it, too. There are some interesting articles out there.
yeah most people hate trump but i guess they hate the crazy democrats moredisclaimer : thats just my personal opinion
Yeah if the Democrats weren't so radical they could win by a landslide. Most Americans don't want socialism and censorship
Yeah, you need a president who shrugs when Russia puts up Taliban bounties for US troops.
More like Trump picked the elecotral college and Hillary picked the popular vote.
Which party removes genuine voters from the voting roles? Which party was caught cheating in NC-09? Which party closes polling places in areas they're unlikely to win?Republicans, every time.
Yet, everything we *actually* saw was good economy, good immigration policy, etc. People struggle to name the actual bad things he’s done in office. It’s just whining about his character. He’s a “mean” guy, but he puts it to work for America.
Have you actually listened to him, rather than compilations of his misstatements?He does suffer from a stutter, so even that's not an indication of his capabilities. Of the two, Biden is far more likely to listen to what the American people want.
@goaded He’s far more likely to cave to the left if that’s what you want. A DNC puppet.
@Jack9949 The DNC is hardly left-wing, they're the ones who wanted Clinton.
@goaded Ik but still they also wanted Biden
@Jack9949 I'd be happier with someone more progressive, but I can see him as being a compromise candidate. Wait, are you saying Biden is to the left of Clinton? LOL!
@goaded No. I actually haven’t studied their policies all that much.
but you can make a guess based on what you think the general consensus among the people is
Whoever my president orders to.
At least the pussy grabbing was consensual.
Yet that didn’t stop him in 2016... and even now it’s his character is better than Biden’s.
@AllThatSweetJazz At that time we only had his business and TV experience to actually judge what he would really do. His talk was provocative but for a lot of people talk and actions differ. Now people know what he would actually be like as POTUS.
"Now people know what he would actually be like as POTUS."I agree. I didn't expect him to do anything good or bad once he got in office, mostly just listen to advisors and be an establishment seat warmer. But he ended up being pretty solid and better than expected. His presidency is working in his favor.
... which is exactly what the USA needs.
@coffeewithcream But biden is too old and he’s had several brain aneurisms in the past he’s a dead man walkin so hopefully he picks a good VP
Wasn't Hillary winning like the whole time or something last election?
@crmoore yes she was. There was even a video of Rachel Maddow gleefully saying Trump was going to lose states like Kansas and Mississippi that never vote Democrat. It turned to pure comedy gold after the election.
Yeah I mean I'm not inclined to believe these sort of things after an alleged "nearly 0%" chance happened to occur last time. The media tries to speak things into existence. You might be right, I'm not saying it's impossible. I just think things won't go down that way.
@crmoore " Wasn't Hillary winning like the whole time or something last election? "She was ahead the whole time, but the odds just before the election were just 66% that she'd win.
Alright. The point still stands, many media sources claimed at one point trump had anywhere from a 0-2% chance of winning. And right now we aren't just before the election like in your example, so things seem to be decently aligned with last election.
@crmoore That point was, like, a year before the election, during or even before the primaries. Being the Republican nominee boosts your chances enormously over being one of 15 candidates. Bear in mind that the polls weren't that far off, Clinton's popular vote was about 1% off the prediction.
I wonder if the downvotes are from Trump supporters or not lol
The electoral is better, the point is so that large populations in cities can’t just overrule the rural areas. E. g California just votes to say “nope fuck you this lake is our water now.”And no one on the left would be complaining about it if it was Hilary that got the electoral vote. Everyone knew the rules when they came in and it had been working that way for ages. But as soon as a candidate they didn’t like for the electoral vote, suddenly it’s “bad” and needs to be abolished. Weird.
I know how the electoral college works and I know why it was designed. It's still stupid.And actually I don't like Hillary either and neither do most of us """evil leftists""" I know. We all agree it needs to be abolished because it's unfair and is not a real democracy. Regardless of who it allows to win.
Well I disagree. The strict popular vote leads to tyranny of the majority.
So you'd rather tyranny of the minority?
False equivalence. The alternative to the popular vote is not tyranny of the minority.
Okay what is it then
Fake Japanese ha ha
my dad is an American so I care
and it's kinda like a global event. Everyone's curious there's no rules that non-americans can't bet