No. The constitution is above every state law and must be respected.
Well, a lot of cities and states are ignoring that with "The right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" which comes before the bill of rights, and arguments like this are the reason we've had a civil war once before. Also the 2nd amendment coming before the 4th amendment, and is quite mangled in most large cities, and some states already.Again, one of many reasons why I don't live in those places to begin with, been there, seen it, truly amazing that humans can build a concrete anthill, but not for me.
Doesn't justify what Giuliani did. He knew what he was doing was wrong and illegal and did it anyways. He could have handled gun crime another way then randomly having cops stop and search people.
Like I said, when your neighborhood turns into a shooting range, you don't give a flying Frenchman's fuck about the law or the Constitution, you just want bullets to stop coming through your walls and hitting your kids in the head. Are there better ways to deal with the problem? Sure, but there are also stronger political obstacles to implementing those "better options." A good option that you can implement expediently is always better than a perfect option that you can't implement expediently.
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We clearly don't need you as police officer. You will be a disaster, and probably violate people's rights and kill someone because you are out of control and end up in prison getting abused like a punk. #1: Not every state has a unlawful stop and frisk, Its a lie. Its not constitutional and goes directly against the 4th amendment.#2: Your example you gave of stop and frisk is asinine.A black person with tattoos, baggy pants and hoody has every right to walk around a gated community at whatever time he feels like without being harassed. He can be visiting at a friend's house or girlfriend house. He doesn't need a cop to mess with him nor interpret his privacy.Let me teach you what probable causes is and what is reasonable suspicion. Say a cop sees a man with a wired clothes hanger looking into cars, then that's a reasonable suspicion a crime of theft is about to occur, thus the cop has legitimate suspicion and can go ask for I. D. and possibly arrest the suspect.Walking around and just looking at someone who you think looks "suspicious" to you as a cop and you go stop and them and search them is out of order and you have no right to invade someone's privacy and space like that. Go find another career, you'll gonna get killed or you gonna end up in prison for acting like a fool becauae you a badge and gun.
You’re literally the minority of people who are “anti cop.” You claim to be fair but you’re not lol. Do you even know what stop and frisk means? The purpose of it? You need reasonable information to be able to 1. stop someone and 2. Check for weapons.
You need to articulate why you stopped someone and why you frisked them.
In the case above, it’s clear why a stop/frisk was warranted. If you can't see it, I can explain it.
You're accusing of being "unfair" yet you think its ok if a person is walking down the street and just because he might look like the typical "thug" its ok to violate his 4th amendment right and come up with some B. S. excuse as to why you're doing it. Go try that B. S. logic on some other moron who will believe it.
It’s late at night, in an all white neighborhood... no one is up, except for some person wandering IN BETWEEN houses, wearing gang clothing and gang tattoos... You don’t think that warrants a stop? You need to articulate why you stopped him and why you frisked him. You can say, “since it’s late, he’s walking in between homes, he’s wearing gang clothing, and he has gang tattoos, I decided it was the smart thing to at least question him and frisk him just in case he had a weapon because it’s clear he’s doing shady shit AND he looks to be in a gang, the Crips specifically.”
The reasons you give are pathetic. You can't just come up with your interpretation of probable cause. That's not how things work here in the U. S. A person no matter how he or she is dressed walking down the street at whatever time which is public property has a right to their privacy without you bothering them just because "they look suspicious" to you. You being Asian look suspicious to me because Asian can be wacky. Does that make sense?You can only go up to someone who is in private property like a gated community if you someone call the cops to check out suspicious activity. The public belongs to anyone at any time of the day to walk up and down all night or stand around without being haarresed. If people don't like seeing people that dress funny hanging around their neighborhood then too bad.
That’s the thing, you DONT NEED probable cause for a stop and frisk...
Just REASONABLE SUSPICION.
Yeah, the article gave a clear explanation. Probable cause can be a person matching the description of a suspect who robbed a bank or stole a car then its reasonable for a cop to conduct a stop and frisk. I meant, you just can go up and stop and frisk someone just because he's wearing a hoodie at 3 AM in the summer time with baggy pants because you have a hunch he might not be up to no good.
Stop and frisk exists everywhere. It can be implemented wrong.
Did I mention just wearing a hoody at 3 AM? No... Did you not read what I wrote above?
You can’t stop and frisk someone just for wearing a hoody at 3 AM... But you most certainly can in the situation I provided
This? all white neighborhood, upper middle class, and gated.-Black subject, wearing colors of the Crips street gang-has gang related tattoos-walking in between homes at 3 AMNo, unless its private property.
Bro it’s GATED and I said he’s walking “IN BETWEEN HOMES. If it’s gated, it’s meant to keep people out who don’t belong and if he’s walking in between homes, he’s on someone’s property...The only thing you need to be able to explain is WHY you stopped him and WHY you searched him. I’d say, “subject looks to be part of the Crips gang, due to the clothing scheme and tattoos. Also, due to being 3 AM, in a neighborhood that is ALL white, it’s strange why this person would be up and walking around this time IN BETWEEN homes.” When you combine all of this, MOST people, would feel a bit suspicious of this person in the least. They’d wonder what was up with him and what he was doing. This is the difference in your thinking and my thinking. You’re anti-cop, good or bad cop, so anything they do is wrong because they have “police” on their chest. The only thing one can do if they’re police officer to get on your good side is to either quit or not have been a police officer to begin with. You live in Miami right? I don’t live far at all. I think a lot of the issues we’re having is that we cannot talk in-person. Online muddles up so much shit, so people say things they wouldn’t say in public. Also, misunderstanding is more inherent online than in-person because you can’t see body language cues of the other person.
"You’re anti-cop, good or bad cop, so anything they do is wrong because they have “police” on their chest."Trying to guilt trip me into shame or manipulate me to convince me you're right isn't going to work on me. Go try that mess with some bootlicker.You don't get to police how you feel like or make up laws as go as you see fit because you feel like it.Any unlawful order you say or do as a cop that goes directly against the established constitutional laws or state laws makes you a bad cop and a crook.Don't accuse me of being anti cop because I call you out and the whole police department on their B. S.I'm not anti cop just because I disagree with the unlawful way police conduct themselves. Do the job right according to the laws and I won't complain.Lastly, it will be interesting how long it will take when you become a cop to turn a blind eye to the unlawful dirt cops do. Bet you won't rat out any bad cop out, would you? Highly doubt it. It won't take long before you become corrupt and be part of the corrupt system to lie, turn a blind eye to bad cops too.
You are anti cop but claim not to be, but there’s literally nothing positive you’ve said about law enforcement. Never mind positive, you’re not even fair in your assessments. I don’t even know what you mean by “do the job right according to the laws.” Hundreds of thousands of cops, the vast majority, do just that. I’m not guilt tripping you, I’m telling you what you are and for some reason you’re not admitting it. I admit, I’m pro cop, pro second, pro military, pro USA, etc. This is who I am.The fact you use the term “bootlicker” means you’re thinking about all of this in an unfair way. So, you say you’re not anti-cop, but even when they do right you say it’s not fair 🤔🤔
How about this, tell me some of the good police have done that you’ve seen whether on video, in-person, read about somewhere, etc.
Ohhhh... I'm suppose to give them a pat on their backs for doing their jobs. I pay their damn salary, they better be doing their jobs correctly.
See? Anti-cop. Just because it’s their jobs, doesn’t make it any less honorable or hard. So, if it’s something honorable that they’re doing, it’s deserving of praise. But yes, continue to be a good boy and pay taxes. Remind your mom too.
You want praise and glory? You gonna get it one day frying in hell forever one day. Don't talk about my mom.
Doesn't matter if they black, white etc. The founding fathers made sure to put that law in constitution for a reason which is to protect citizens from tyranny and people's freedoms being infringed upon.
I was just referencing NYC’s policy towards minorities.