Keep hearing that. It’s upsetting if that’s true because she surely fooled me for a moment there. I’m not religious, but I am morally opposed to late term abortions. Especially with all the options of birth control available today.
I'm not religious either, but I've done my homework in an attempt to understand them, and their collective history is rife with the worst atrocities in human history. That they spend so much effort trying to shovel it down my throat over the years has made it somewhat personal for me, so I usually let them have both barrels when they come at me lol.
So I'd venture to assume you are in favor of early-term abortion, but not late-term?
I am in favour of late term too, personally. But I understand why that is harder to argue in favour of.
So you support late-term abortion knowing that it can feel pain? If so, I'm not going to attack you. Just a question. I can see the emotional response she's attempting to reach from the audience, but I do think it carries within it some substantial validity. Us as humans do not like the concept of death, nor inflicting death upon someone or an animal that's harmless. I'd also attempt to point out that with all of the options of birth control today- there's really little to no excuse for unwanted pregnancies.
"Us as humans do not like the concept of death, nor inflicting death upon someone or an animal that's harmless." We may not like the concept of it, but we sure as hell don't believe it. Only a vegan could truly say that with any meaningful substance. We kill hundreds of billions of harmless animals yearly and many of them only ever knew a life of suffering. A fetus may experience a little pain for a short time. It isn't true suffering. It still has no understanding of anything, no thoughts, no emotions, no relationships, just a bunch of cells that had begun to form the capacity to feel. But I do agree, I wish it were the case that people used contraception and didn't rape each other, and there is no excuse, but that doesn't mean you should have to live with the consequences. However, people are stupid, and people suck. I guess I just don't see human life as valuable as other people do. I don't think the world is losing anything in an abortion, yes it is potential life, but if it doesn't reach its potential then it has no value. That is why killing a full grown person is different, it has value. Whether is has a lot or a little value is up to the individual, but a fetus has no value yet, at least not as a human.
Interesting stance. Coming from the Marine Corps- I've seen this mindset towards value of life a lot. I still oppose late-term abortion on a moral level since it's able to fight back and feel pain. Another concept I'm thinking about is how this would differ if it were puppies. It's a strange concept to me that we care and feel more sympathetic towards animals than human beings. The argument is that puppies are innocent and not capable of harm. Nor are babies though. There's a strange distinction that I can't seem to comprehend in regards to reasoning. Humans are strange, and I feel as if we're living in a pivotal moment of progressive culture.Another question, do you think that society will one day look at the acceptance of abortion during our generation in an evil way? Kids in 2080 reading about it the way we read about slavery. From a societal standpoint, it does seem quite barbaric, and it is strange to me that the party of compassion is the one that supports this the most.
I certainly would like to think a woman would have made up their mind way before they would need a late term abortion. War is a good analogy actually, I much prefer that there were no war, just like I prefer there be no abortions too. But we don't trust in humans enough to ceasefire, and so wars ensue. And we always have measures in place in case of war, despite it being much better if we all simply didn't engage in war altogether. It's ugly, people die, innocent people die, but if you didn't have a defense, your livelihood would be taken. Maybe not the greatest analogy but I see some parallels. As for puppies, and as a dog owner myself who would probably save my dog over any human in a heartbeat, I think the best option would be to sterilize any pet made for selling, and only licensed breeders would be allowed to keep dogs for breeding, and they would only be allowed to breed mutts as full breeds are becoming a huge issue in terms of their health conditions.
So I guess you could ask if that is what I would do to dogs, for whom I feel much compassion for, would I suggest that for humans too? Actually it is hard for me to say I wouldn't. If everyone were sterilized at birth, then when you are over 21 or some other number maybe 18 maybe 25, you are eligible to take a parenting test, and if you pass you get a license to reproduce and they can un-sterilize you. Honestly, I think if you need a license to drive a car, you should need a license to raise a human being. But that is now sounding much too close to some Orwell shit and that isn't my intention. And it certainly wouldn't be based on race whatsoever. As for your last question, I think when science invents a 100% effective contraception, they will take it for granted and look back and say they can't believe we had abortions, how inhumane. Just like how people forget the true suffering of deadly viruses that vaccines cured, and now don't trust the vaccines. They will live in a world of such convenience and entitlement that the idea will repulse them. But I think even today the idea is repulsive, but necessary.
Interesting. I got a little Pomeranian and I’ve thought it before, and it would be tough decision, but I value human life over a dogs life. I’ve had to actively put effort into keeping a positive mindset towards humanity and society as a while after seeing and experiencing some of the things I have. You seem more pessimistic, but rather content and fine with it- so who am I to judge? What works for you might not work for the next person. So ideally- if government would require a license to have a child, that actually sounds great given how many bad parents are out there who are abusive, neglectful, and drug addicted. It sounds nice theoretically as we would prosper to a more productive and overall better society with less crime. But based on history- when you give the government that much power, it will turn tyrannical and corrupt. Even right now, we’re witnessing the government attempting to grab more and more control. The media is hyping up the ignorant on both sides to in a sense fight each other. The creation division is a political tactic in attempt to formulate sides of right and wrong to gather votes. The corruption is as clear as day on both sides, and people are now being fired from their jobs for expressing an opposing opinion of what’s politically popular. Firing police officers for clearly justified shooting. They control what’s presented on our biggest social media platforms, and have figured out a way of first amendment suppression through a legal loophole. Who’s to say the republicans fight back with more radicalism, gain more political power, and convince the masses that blacks should not reproduce given that statistics show they commit more crime? I think the reason the US has lasted this long is because democracy and capitalism simply works. Socialism and communism leads to corruption. It’s human nature.
People governing themselves to an extent seems to be the route towards longevity in and a stable governments. I firmly believe that a government should operate for the people and work for the people. Not the other way around. Right now, we have a self serving government and a 40% tax on people for high W2 earners seems like robbery. A social security system that is set to fail in 10 years- yet we still have to pay for this ponzified system. Stimulus that pays out millions to lobbying firms. I think this is the result of giving government too much power.
Can't argue with any of that... I agree. And that results in giving women the choice to abort or not.
I can see the relation, but would venture to say there needs to be limitations on how much we can govern ourselves because it would lead to anarchy. Even in the world of finance- look at what happened when we didn’t set proper limitations on how we distribute mortgage loans. Human greed collapsed our entire system. I’d say that giving human the options to terminate life at such a late stage of pregnancy would be a limit that shouldn’t be crossed in my opinion. What do you personally think the solution is towards solving the current corruption in our government causing this racial division and small-scaled civil war to stop? I personally think holding the media accountable for misinformation is a start. Completely misrepresenting a situation for what it is is now resulting in death and destruction. Why are major media outlets let go when they clearly lie. A normal citizen would be charged with libel and defamation by demonizing on the scale they are.
Fox is acting like every protest turns violent and CNN acting like the violence isn’t even occurring pushing a false toxic narrative. There should be some accountability.
The best we could do is invest in science and education and trust the experts. Elect officials with a relevant scientific background.
Do you support late-term abortion as well?
I agree sister
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Is there any substantiation that you see from what she's saying from your perspective? Clearly, she's attempting to evoke an emotional response. Having said that, I do see validity within the concept she's attempting to portray. Also- given her former title as Director of Planned Parenthood does add a little more validity.
Would you consider a fetus to be a baby by 8-9 months?
Not interesting as no physician will perform an elective abortion at that stage of pregnancy. The only abortions performed are because the fetus is not viable or the life of the mother is in danger.And no, I don't need to decide on the exact day when it is too late for abortion. At 24 weeks, the limit for an elective abortion, the fetus is definitely not conscious.
This is coming from the director of planned parenthood. I'd assume that this story comes with some legitimacy coming from her. I've been looking into it all morning, and from what she's saying... it's accurate.
This was so full of lies. suction devices are used in early in fetus development. a fetus wouldn't have developed limbs capable of "fighting back desperate to move away from the suction". at that stage of development it would just be a small ball of cells. and why would this woman, who i presume isn't a nurse, be asked to assist in an abortion. this was total bullshit.and when you consider the mountain of lies, fear mongering and bullshit from the RNC convention, she has zero credibility.
never mind. she was a medical assistant.
So it's not bullshit? In late term abortions, they do have the ability to move away from the suction.
that's the point. they don't use suction in late term abortions. only early abortions when the fetus small and no bigger than a golf ball.
I'd have to look into that to verify because I was reading something else from a source I found on google.
the suction device would have to be as big as a small bowling ball to work late term and they'd have to stick that up a woman's vag. not gonna work.
Did you watch the entire clip? It doesn't change your views, okay. Do you have any response to it other than that?
And what would you like me to add?
Acknowledgement I suppose. Maybe you support early term abortion, but oppose late term?
I support free abortion up until its already on its way out.
Hearing this story from the director of planned parenthood- does that make you feel any moral objection? If not, do you have any reasoning as to why?
I don’t care what the director says. It has zero impact on my life, my past choices or my advocacy of unfettered abortion access. I am not a sentimental person. I don’t give a flying crap about a fetus.
I'd beg to say that you don't necessarily have to be a sentimental person to possess moral opposition towards terminating life at such a late stage of development. You're entitled to your views though. Thanks for answering.