He's a used-car salesman.Breaking up the federal government isn't, in fact, a popular position.
@goadedIt's not about breaking it up and completely getting rid of it. It's about reducing it. And it is VERY popular. This is the very core of conservatism. This is probably more core conservative than any other issue. It's also the biggest reason why Trump is not really a Republican or conservative.As to a used car salesman, he's more marketing than sales. If you want a used car salesman, that would be Bill Clinton.
... except for all the populist policies?
@AllThatSweetJazz Like what exactly? He hasn’t instituted large scale welfare programs of any sort for the majority. The Dems have been pushing Universal Basic Income, Universal Education, Universal Health Care, etc. These things would largely destroy the value of the dollar but would be populist in nature. He actually did the exact opposite funneling trillions to the wealthiest within the nation through market intervention bailing out the elites allowing zombie corporations with profitability issues to survive rather than go bankrupt and restructure their debt. He hasn’t enacted any large scale protectionist measures to protect specific sets of workers in an attempt to avoid market competition.
“He hasn’t instituted large scale welfare programs of any sort for the majority.”It’s even better than welfare programs, he got everyone jobs.“The Dems have been pushing Universal Basic Income, Universal Education, Universal Health Care, etc.”*Some* Dems have. But Biden holds none of those positions.But that doesn’t necessarily make them populist anyway. If it’s not a popular opinion then it’s not populist. Equally, if not more popular, is being able to work for higher pay and buy everything at lower costs.“These things would largely destroy the value of the dollar but would be populist in nature.”Destroying the dollar is not popular.But even if these policies are populist ones, that doesn’t mean that he can’t hold different opinions that are also populist. Bernie and Trump are both considered populists even though they very much disagree.“He actually did the exact opposite funneling trillions to the wealthiest within the nation through market intervention bailing out the elites allowing zombie corporations with profitability issues to survive rather than go bankrupt and restructure their debt.”Not sure about that reference. But the median income is much better, the middle-class is doing way better than recent presidents.“He hasn’t enacted any large scale protectionist measures to protect specific sets of workers in an attempt to avoid market competition.”Tariffs on China and Mexico. Is working to bring jobs back to the US and make the country produce it’s own goods and be independent. The US is energy independent now – money and jobs stay in the country and the US isn’t beholden to foreign powers for energy. That’s popular.
@AllThatSweetJazz “It’s even better than welfare programs, he got everyone jobs.”You must be living in lala land. Real unemployment as of July was 16.5%. That’s a slight improvement over April where it peaked at 22.8%, but it’s still great depression era levels. Most of the great depression unemployment floated around 14%. Check U-6 data for yourself…https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm“But the median income is much better, the middle-class is doing way better than recent presidents.”We are officially in a recession. We’ve had two consecutive quarters of GDP contraction. Q1 was a 5% decline and Q2 was a 31.7% decline which is years of progress down the toilet. The USA has seen about 2% growth per quarter over the passed couple of years which isn’t great by any stretch of the imagination. American hasn’t ever recovered from the 2008 Great Recession. We basically bought a little time with bailouts. There was the tiniest of curve up during the first years of Trump but it’s not really worth speaking about. In Q3 we should see a bump upwards just because last quarter was so abysmal, but overall the economy is in serious trouble. Not that it is Trumps fault, it’s just a product of decades of bad decision making.
“Tariffs on China and Mexico. Is working to bring jobs back to the US and make the country produce it’s own goods and be independent.“The tariffs on China were a reasonable demand during trade negotiations, not sweeping reform that excluded external markets for example to protect domestic workers in durable manufacturing. It’s more so aggressive competition with China specifically. China has been overstepping their place in the world and America is standing up to them as the leader of the free world. Those jobs that were originally exported to China through political actions by Reagan can just as easily move to India for example for a new labor force if they are under pressure from America. If congress gets on board to incentivize the return of clean advanced manufacturing to the USA then we should see the return of a number of good manufacturing jobs and STEM based jobs to support those factories, but it would have to be a team effort that is enticing enough to corporations that they want to invest in the USA again and employ Americans. There would have to be huge efficiency gains due to the high cost of labor in America. It’s possible with current technology. That’s not up to Trump or anyone else that sits in the White House though, but they can do things to encourage it. Which means more for the elites with the hopes of trickle down economics… And that’s the plan according to Jerome Powell. They want to focus on the major unemployment problem America currently has. They are willing to keep interest rates low for the next decade and suffer the cost of inflation if it means eventually unemployment will be reduced. But we have to see what congress is willing to fund...
“Real unemployment as of July was 16.5%. That’s a slight improvement over April where it peaked at 22.8%”Have you hear of covid? He was doing fantastic before covid and it’s the Dems keeping things closed now. Trump is the one to get those jobs back, not double down on the lockdowns.“We are officially in a recession. We’ve had two consecutive quarters of GDP contraction.”Again, you’re talking about covid effects. And if anyone is going to pull out of the covid collapse, it’s going to be the guy with the record breaking economy for 3 years.The point is that he is indeed populist, and not just whispering sweet nothings, but appealing the things people actually care about, from riots to economy to covid.
@AllThatSweetJazz OK so you ignore facts and push a political agenda. Just another extremist...
Except I didn't ignore facts... I stated them and addressed the point.So if you're just going to ignore that and gaslight then aren't you full of shit?
@AllThatSweetJazz Here you go bud... Enjoy your bump... Note how it is still an overall decline from 2004 and how we never reached previous levels. Thus we’ve never recovered... 3% in real GDP growth has been the standard for years to keep up with 2% inflation targets. That just never happened during the Trump administration no matter how you spin it.
He grew it every year and hit 2.9%, but you’re going to bitch that it’s not that little bit extra? Whatever. It still justifies letting Trump take on the task of recovering the economy from covid. But are you just giving up that he’s not populist? Because it sounds like we’re done here.
@AllThatSweetJazz Yep guess we’re done. You got mad when presented with facts. You sound like a BLM member.
Though I wager less populist, because populists appeal to the emotions of the majority of the population, which is not trumps base.
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Good point. I guess that helps explain his appeal.
Yeah. I think his appeal has changed a lot for a lot of people. And this was one thing that Michael Moore got very right, despite the fact that he hates Trump. He said that Trump is a giant middle finger to the establishment. That was true for the 2016 election. Now a lot of those people who voted for him are voting again because they actually like his policies. A lot of them think he's a bit of a blowhard, but he's improved in that regard, and it's the actual policies that they are focusing on.I also believe that there is going to be a big chunk of disenfranchised Democrats and people from the center who feel politically homeless, who will vote for him this time. And for them, he will be a middle finger to the radical left
Interesting. Not the middle class?
I don't believe the middle class are a focus, no. That's not to say that Trump disregards them, but he doesn't benefit them, either. His policies continue to create economic inequality that is actually hurting the middle class.
If we look at the spread of those who voted for him, vast areas of middle-class America went red. Huge sections of the rust belt. In fact, it was so significant that this was the biggest cause of his election. Hillary didn't even campaign in middle class Wisconsin because she assumed she had it in the bag. She barely campaigned in Michigan or Pennsylvania. And yet 16 million people who voted for Obama switched for Trump.But the white and rich people you mentioned are almost all gathered together in the cities. Which are liberal strongholds.so when you look at the data, I think the narrative that the middle class doesn't support Trump starts to fall apart
I just hope it doesn't take a populist to defeat a populist!Biden represents stability, a return to normality, but Trump, the Republicans, and Fox News are trying to paint him as Stalin.
@goaded Biden is anything but populist. In fact, he is *the* embodiment of establishment politics and the elite. But yeah, we'll know in November if people see that.
That was my point. Sanders could sit down with red-state republican voters and get them to agree with his positions. The Dems chose Hillary, instead. How many people voted for Trump expecting universal health care?The question is whether people have learned not to trust him.
@goaded I agree with everything else you said, but I don't think there was any confusion over whether people would get universal healthcare with Trump. People knew exactly what they were voting for.