What about women who rape men and decide to use his seed that she stole?
He should report that to police.
She can report a rape to police too if she is pro life.
I don’t follow
You are saying a raped man can report to cops. That's true but he still can be forced into fatherhood on the seed she stole if she didn't abort. However, if a woman is raped and she happened to be pro choice, she could do extra. She can report the rape and prevent motherhood to the child.
I don’t think he should be able to be forced into fatherhood. If it can be proven that she raped him, then he should be able to sign away his responsibilities to the child if she chooses to have the baby.
Yes but you don't think who who rape should be forced to keep or abort on the stolen seed and let the man decide like a raped woman would choose to abort or keep for him forcing his seed into her. It is not quite the same and not trying to anger you. If a man is raped, he can't decide the abortion even tho he had no say in the birthing process.
Regardless if a woman is a rapist, you always think women should choose. So you are pro choice for women but not pro choice for men. That's a problem. That's sexism.
If a man can't choose which women gains his seed or if he even wanted any woman to get his seed, that's not pro choice for men. If you were pro choice for men too, you'd think a raped man should choose whether the abortion process continues or terminates.
The authority of the birthing or abortion process should always ultimately go to the one who is pregnant. Both are entirely more invasive to the woman than they are to the man.
Even if that woman is a rapist?Don't you thnk a man has a right to decide which woman gains his seed or should to keep his seed to himself? If so, you'd be pro choice for men too. And if that man can't choose which woman gets it and the woman then uses his seed at her pleasure, that's unfair.What about a pregnant woman on death row who gets a quick death sentence prior to delivering baby? Can they make her die prior to giving birth?
If a woman rapes a man and she becomes pregnant, and the rape was proven, I think he can make a statement about what he wants to happen but he cannot legally order her to have an abortion (or give birth) against her will. I believe that’s how it should remain. Pregnant women are almost never executed based on the amount of time most inmates usually spend on death row. But I believe it is illegal to execute a pregnant woman.
I see. Men get violated, he can be a forced father at her choice and not his. Women get violated, she chooses whether to be mother or not and not him. Pure sexism.So a man doesn't want a woman to birth a baby on his stolen seed, no rights for the man but you are not truly pro choice. You are partially pro choice. You are pro choice for women and not pro choice for men.What if a woman on death row wants an abortion but gets denied it?It takes 2 sexual reproductive systems to make a baby: sperm and egg. You have a no sperm rights attitude but full egg rights attitude.
I never said it was fair. It’s just what I believe is right. Women didn’t ask to be the only one to possess a uterus. Greater responsibility, greater authority.
I think forcing men to yield his seed is just as ugly as forcing women to nurture his seed would be. If you were consistent, you'd truly be pro choice.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
How? You are saying he should not have to yield his seed but if she stole it, it is not his right to control what happens to his seed. She would then be a rapist and shouldn't have right to use his stolen seed. Anything else that is stolen, must be repayed. Guess sperm is different.
I said I believe he should be able to sign away responsibility to the child, meaning that he doesn’t have have take care or pay for the child. But make her have an abortion? No.
Why can women call for an abortion at any stage during pregnancy raped or not raped but men can't call for an abortion at any stage his seed is growing into a baby either raped or not?So even if a baby lacks 3 hours being born, women can abort?
Her body is outside the baby's body. Just because she is the one which the reproductive process grows doesn't mean she has the right to stop it if her health isn't jeooardized.4 states don't allow for abortions unless the woman is proven to be in severe health due to pregnancy.
I believe your pregnancy, your choice.
And I believe your seed, your choice.
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And why don't they have a vasectomy? Why could men have children when they want but women should have them now or never?
"It takes two to tango" = BOTH are responsible.
well once she's pregnant it isn't really "her" body anymore
Lmao “the mild inconvenience”
Women have gotten pregnant for literally thousands of years. You can do it, I believe in you.
Just because it’s physically possible doesn’t mean I want to wreck my body. It’s 9 month of pregnancy that can end in death of the baby, mother or both. it can permanently alter a woman’s body and often does.
@Hitchhiker42 If you don't want to wreck your body. Contracept. If you still hate the chance to get pregnant, because contraceptions are risky - cut your tubes. If you want the option to have kids nonetheless, then don't have sex. It's called self-control. By saying you can't deal with the consequences of sex you are essentially admitting to have no self-control.
@Hitchhiker42 it is a mild inconveneince in the grand scheme of things
Offcourse you are jumping to the very small chance of deadly outcomes. Somehow, thats the #1 argument for people to get an abortion.No one denies medically necessary abortions. Do you expect your man forcing you to carry the pregnancy, well knowing that you will die? Yeah, sure, will never happen.
There is no 100% effective contraceptive, sexuality does not consist only in women's self-control, the responsibility is always under the woman, who injects hormones, who takes the post-day?
@Nia_beI get that, but that is in my mind no reason for the father not having any rights to parttake in the decisionprocess.It takes two to make a baby, it should take two to terminate a baby. Just my opinion.I am deeply sorry for the burden of women having to carry the pregnancy, but there is nothing that I (or the patriarchy) can do about that. Well, at least as long we have not developed artificial wombs.
I’m pro life but we can’t tell women what they can and can’t do... however a compromise that can save lives is getting both parents involved.
Exactly, the problem is when the woman is aware that when the child is born, the father will not respond, the man demands a new life but he will not help take care of it
Yes but the woman knew the possible consequences and still had sex. Where’s the responsibility?
People can appear to have a personality and sometimes when there are problems you really see the way of being of each one. Just with the goal of being with someone
I didn’t quite understand. I believe your saying they can pretend to be interested and they have kids just to be with someone.
people can pretend to be in a way to be with someone, but when the woman is pregnant, they can totally change, another consequence of having sex, women cannot foresee it
That’s why women should be careful with sex...
Don’t change nothing but she has no claim to money... that’s called a bastard
@Cryptic-Game Well he could argue that since he didn’t consent to the sex, he shouldn’t be responsible for the child.
But you think he can be a father against his will but women can't be mothers against her will. That's hypocritical.
@Cryptic-Game I would argue that it should be the case that the man could be relieved of responsibility.
Though in the general case when the sex was consensual, I would argue that it should be a requirement for the man to use some form of birth control like a condom.
What if the man was 7th Day Adventist or Catholic and was anti contraception?
@Cryptic-Game He still doesn’t get the decision to abort. I believe he should be able to leave the woman if he wants, but since the abortion and pregnancy directly affects the woman, it should be her decision.
No it shouldn't. Quit buttering up to women.Nobody should make a decision to destroy a life.You don't care about a man's right to his seed. You think a woman can use his seed against his will to do as she please.
@Cryptic-Game Who is going to be the one that will have to go through the pregnancy? The only burden the man is going to have to suffer is a financial burden, a burden which I say he can be relieved of. If the man wanted a woman who wants to have kids with him, he can find that woman. But a woman doesn’t get that choice. If he gets her pregnant, her only option to be relieved of the burden is an abortion.
No. The raped man has to burden his seed forced from him to the woman and that rapist of a woman getting to do as she pleases with his stolen seed is unjust and you know it. It can be fixed by allowing him to decide how his seed is used, considering he didn't give her consent to be pregnant on his seed.
@Cryptic-Game No. The harm that rape did is the fact he didn’t consent. And no, it can’t be “fixed” by that. Rape is “fixed” by making our justice system by making sure the rapist goes to jail.The man faces no additional harm after the rape aside from the emotional trauma. By relieving him of financial responsibility, we’re doing all we could to help him.
But you think women have the right to be mothers if they rape but men don't have the right to be fathers if they rape.
@Cryptic-Game If she is convicted of rape, the state will probably find someone else to raise the kid.
Her baby is not her body. It is another's body. That's why if a pregnant woman is murdered that the murderer is charged with multiple murders.What about women who rape men and use his seed that she stole to become a mother on?
@Cryptic-Game Yes, it is another body, but inside her body. I don’t expect you to be too concerned with that little matter since you will never be expected to have another body inside your body. If a woman rapes a man, or steals his sperm to impregnate herself, she should be forced to give the child over to the father once it’s born.
But you don't think the raped man should be able to call for the abortion process if he wanted to like a raped woman does so it isn't 100% fair in that case.
@Cryptic-Game The woman is the one who has to bear the pregnancy and childbirth. Is that fair? It’s never going to be 100% fair. It’s just not possible.
And the man is the one who had his seed forced from his body and has to bear his burden of potentially being a father against his will.
@Cryptic-Game Yes. In this scenario, the man has been victimized. The person responsible should be held accountable. But you cannot force a women to carry/terminate a pregnancy. Sorry. I know you don’t like it, but that’s just how it is. If you believe in a maker, take it up with him.
But you can force a seed from a man and pregnate on his seed and do as you please with that seed?
@Cryptic-Game Is that what I said? I don’t believe that is what I said.
You are saying women can dictate how that man's seed is used even if he is raped. You think a woman even if she raped the man and got pregnant on his seed can abort or continue her pregnancy even tho the man didn't agree to impregnate her.
its not your body. you are just renting it, and you will have your right to it revoked someday as we all do
Lol I’m going to evict a fetus while I have the right to my body then.
well then you have too many body rights. your body isn't really yours it belongs to society, its for rent and you are going to lose it someday no matter what you do. maybe you shouldn't think of it as yoursalso: its illegal to evict someone without due process so if you want to use that metaphor you should need a court's permission to get an abortion
Lmao😂 I’m not going to engage in this, you’re obviously senile
no really, you are majority shareholder in your body but society tells you what you can't do with itif you start doing heroine in public we'll arrest you, biting off your fingers? a padded cell for youits not yours. we tell you what you can do with it. how much is yours to use and how much is societies? that's a debate we can have. but the "its MINE" argument is for children
What about women who rape men and use his seed that she stole to be a mother on?
Neither is the baby. It is another's body.What about women who rape men and use the seed that she stole from him? His seed was his body that he had no saw in but you are okay with that. You think women rapists that got pregnant via raping a man can just use his seed to be a mother when she wants but a raped woman can't be stopped.
You are only pro choice for women and not pro choice for men. Be consistent.