The democratic politicians who support this bullshit are just going to help Trump get re-elected.
@bluetoblack99 Trump refers to the as his campaign’s pr team. We should all be grateful for the effort they are putting in to get him re-elected.
My communist country was defeated by rioters protesters and looters. I refer you to my answer on this question. But you will see you only thought of America, and yes Americans are stupid, I agree with you, but overall riots are a necessary evil. I agree you shouldn't be killing EACH OTHER like idiots, again America is retarded, but the point stands.
@Archerer Canada was or is a communist country? I looked at your profile. Canada is very socialist but also much more homogenous and less populated and less complicated than the United States. Bernie Sanders kept saying “we will be like Iceland” when that country only has 350,000 people vs 330+ million people in the USA. You can’t magically mirror off a socialist program from one country and expect it to work somewhere else. Half the citizens in our country don’t even pay fucking income taxes. Where will the money come from?Our liberal media just helps so so much with all the anti patriotic propaganda they broadcast worldwide. The news you see about our country and specifically Trump is extremely partisan. But about that “Americans are stupid” comment. I’ve met Canadians who say that while in America, about America IN FRONT OF AMERICANS. And Americans are the xenophobic ones? I’ve traveled abroad and I have never fucking said that about the locals in the country I visited. Never.
I'm... DUN DUN DUN!!! An... immigrant.
@Archerer. Ah, another dumb cunt with an opinion.
@KrakenAttackin Hey he is entitled to his own opinion you don’t have to call him names
@Archerer He is calling Americans "stupid", so I will smack him back.
@KrakenAttackin lol, I see carry on then...
If it's a unarmed white man is it injustice or justice since he's white?
@The_Sal: That depends on what happens to the police officer that killed him. If the police officer gets off scot-free for killing an unarmed White person that poses no immediate threat to the officer, then it's definitely injustice. However, this doesn't happen as often as it does with Black people. Also, statistics show that cops are very rarely punished for killing unarmed, non-threatening Black people. The last time I recall a cop actually being convicted for killing an unarmed non-threatening White person was in the case Justine Ruszczyk, but ironically enough, the cop that killed her was Mohamed Noor, a Black man.
You only hear about it because the media wants you to hear about it. There are many unarmed white men Hispanic men that get killed it's just never publicized
@The_Sal: The thing is, I don't get my information from the media.
Except there is hardly a case where those men were actually not posing a threat.. Police Brutality exist but it wasn't George Floyd, Rashard Brooks, Breonna Taylor, or Jacob Blake.. Unarmed doesn't mean not dangerous, and police already have a hard enough job without people who are misinformed micro managing they every action.. Systemic racism is a fraud attemto keep "Black" people down and not takin responsibility for the situations they put themselves in..
@JDavid25: Suspects pose a threat when they are carrying weapons, aiming them towards officers, or in the case of unarmed people, doing things such as going for the officer's weapon. In many of these cases, the victims not only didn't have weapons, but they also didn't give the police any reasons to fear for their lives. Studies have shown that Black people are more likely to be shot by officers not only when unarmed, but also when not posing an immediate threat to officers. However, studies also show that White suspects are more likely to be armed compared to Black people and more likely to commit suicide by cop. More information could be found in the link below. Why do you think that systematic racism is a "fraud?" Also, do you think that Black people are responsible for everything that happens to them, including when they got shot despite being unarmed and not posing a threat?https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877
Here is a quote from the link you gave me.. "We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers." Another quote "although we find no overall evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities in fatal shootings, when focusing on different subtypes of shootings (e. g., unarmed shootings or “suicide by cop”), data are too uncertain to draw firm conclusions.".. So yeah.. Studies also show that "Black" men are 18 times more likely to shoot police than police are to shoot them.. And "Black" suspects are more likely to resist arrest violently.. Most of the cases we hear about the person resisted arrest.. I don't know what cases we are talkin about where the "Black" person didn't pose a threat... If there are cases like that it's even more rare that police involved shootins period.. And I think it is a fraud because there are no active systems holdin "Black" people back.. If you really wanna succeed you can.. It's just that people look for quick money instead of buildin and accumulating wealth.. I lived innthe hood much of my life and the last thing people was worried about was police or systemic racism.. I've had police encounters even been put in a holdin cell, and not knce was I worried about them just shootin me cause I was "Black".. And I believe many of the things "Black" people go through today are of they own cause.. And if they were really not posin any type of threat then that's on the officers.. But there's hardly any case like that.. Officers got enough to deal with already.. Shootin anybody is probably the last thing most of them wanna do.. But skmetimes it necessary cause there's some violent sociopaths out there, and unfortunately many young "Blacl" males fit that description.
@JDavid25: I understand what the quotes say. I know the study pretty well. I'm not arguing about the race of the cops that kill, but rather the rate of unarmed, non-threatening Black people being killed. Obviously, the data is insufficient to draw firm conclusions on a universal scale because police departments do not report every single incident. However, that doesn't mean that conclusions can't be drawn based on the data that does exist, which does indeed show that Black people are more likely to be killed by police officers when unarmed and non-threatening and White people are definitely more likely to be armed in comparison. The information you mentioned about Black people being more likely to shoot officers and resist is irrelevant to unarmed Black people not posing a threat. The information that you mentioned could be relevant to justified shootings. However, rates that Black people shoot cops or resist arrest is 100% irrelevant to Black people that are unarmed and to posing a threat to officers. Obviously, if they're not armed or threatening, then they're not shooting at cops. It doesn't matter how "rare" it is. The fact is that it is happening, police officers are not being held accountable for it, and the victims are not responsible for it.
@JDavid25: Your reasons for denying systematic racism is flawed. No one said that Black people succeeding is impossible. Obviously, the existence of systematic racism doesn't mean that everybody would be affect or that it would always work on every person 100% of the time. Your experiences of living in the hood all your life don't represent all Black people. Different people have different experiences in this country and many have been victims of racism. The truth is that the majority of America is White and it's not uncommon for White people to not be fond of Black people. Such people could easily find themselves in positions of power and become involved in criminal justice, housing, healthcare, education, and employment. White people comprise 70% (or 60% when excluding White Hispanic people) of the population and own 82.5% of the businesses in America. White people also comprise the vast majority of the workforce and are more likely to be potential employers. Those that are not very fond of Black people are likely to abuse their power and not hire Black people. Evidence exists of Black people being discriminated against in the workplace based on having "Black-sounding names," in housing based on realtors and/or homeowners not wanting Black people as clients, and not to mention the bias in the criminal justice system, which explains the bias in rates of Black people being killed by police when armed and non-threatening compared to other races. When instances like this happen, Black people are not responsible for them. We shouldn't be taking responsibly for things we aren't at fault for. It's a sign of weakness and submission to do so. hbswk.hbs.edu/.../minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviewshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUEMlQ3zcY
You say that but you posted the link and it kina straight off the bat disproved what you were sayin.. And I know the data. Police have over 100,000,000 interactions each year.. They shot 1000 subjects each other.. Most of them armed.. In 2019 there is only 9-14 shootings of unarmed "Black" individuals.. Now you keep sayin non threatening but police don't kill non threatening individuals.. It seems like you are bein a little disingenuous with yo sources honestly.. Name me one person that was shot while bein non threatening that the police didn't get punished for? And you pushin aside the rate at which "Black" me kill police is eye openin to be honest because that's the crux of yo original argument in which it falls apart once you take the other things I said into account.. And like I said unarmed doesn't mean non threatening.. If I'm holdin my gun on somebody and they decide to wrestle me for it, they are not non threatenin.. And all of what I said does matter because it blows a torch to yo whole narrative of why these riots are understandable.. If the shootings of unarmed "Black" people is rare, then we need to take into account why those specific got shot or killed.. You or me don't have to worry about those encountwrs because we ain't criminals..
And listen I know too well about all that stuff, I used to think just like you, and even try and bring in evidence to support my stance.. But the thing is that the evidence is stacked against a stance like that.. I couldn't tell you a racist experience if I tried.. All of it is implied.. Jew names on applications get rejected also and even some hard to pronounce European names. Some Irish names even get rejected.. It has to do with socioeconomic status.. Not race.. If they found a "Black" guy named James who had a good employment record they wouldn't hesitate to hire him.. And a lot of "White" people may not like some "Black" people because some are violent, biligerent, boisterous, and bullies.. When you are not around a group much then the experiences you run into with them might be give you a good light on of siad group. Has nothin to do with racism and more to do with caution which can build prejudice.. Like I said systemic racism in this day and age is a myth.. Racism may still exist but it doesn't affect most "Black" Americans.. I gotta be worried more about another negro shootin me walkin down the street than some random "White" person or a cop.. When we gon riot for that? When are people in the "Black" community not gon get made fun of because they wanna make somethin of they life besides bein a rapper or basketball player. Or selling dope? When are people in those communities gon cooperate with police so that more than 25% of "Black" murders get solved? Or when will young "Black" people actually be mothers and fathers instead of babymamas and dead beat daddies? We sittin up here talkin about some damn racism when "our own house" ain't even in order..
@JDavid25: The link that I posted didn't "disprove" anything. Regardless of whether the people that conducted the study believe the results don't draw firm conclusions doesn't disprove the facts within the data itself. I agree, the majority of police shootings involved armed suspects. I never disputed that. However, we're not talking about armed suspects obviously. Chances are, if they're armed, then the shootings are justified. We're not opposing justified police killings. We're talking about unarmed suspects that don't pose a threat to police officers. The fact of the matter is evidence shows police have killed unarmed Black people that weren't threatening their lives. The unarmed Black people that have been killed by police officers in 2020 thus far did not pose a threat to the cops' lives. If you disbelieve this, then you're simply not living in reality. My argument doesn't fall apart at all. I'm not talking about people that wrestle for the gun. You don't seem to understand what "non-threatening" means. It refers to a suspect that is behaving in a way that won't risk the life of the cop. Plenty of unarmed, non-threatening Black people have been killed by cops. Are you really struggling this bad to understand what "non-threatening" means, or are you just so desperate to be "right?" To name a few people whose killers/shooters haven't been held accountable, you have Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile, Michael Brown, Jacob Blake (not dead), Michael Lee Marshall, Bettie Jones, Keith Childress, and not to mention George Floyd's killer's fate still pending. The goal is to get police officers to be held accountable for killing unarmed, non-threatening Black people. Whenever they do so, they very rarely get disciplined. If they continue to not get disciplined, then the numbers would only increase.
@JDavid25: All of my claims are based directly on the facts from raw data. Just because you can recall a racist experience doesn't mean that other people can't. All of it is not "implied" either. People are victims of hate crimes all the time and discrimination has definitely been exposed through investigations. Yes, people that aren't Black can also face discrimination, including Jews and people from foreign countries. However, simply because other people can be rejected doesn't disprove that Black people are victims of racism when they get rejected. It's not always about socioeconomic status. Face it, in this country where 82% of the businesses are White owned, you best believe that White people that aren't fond of Black people are a part of that number. You claim that White people don't like Black people because some have negative characteristics. However, when discriminating, racists don't specify who they dislike. Instead, their dislike is based upon negative generalizations that don't represent all Black people, which is unfair. Now, you're again denying that systematic racism is a thing despite the fact that I provided you examples of how it exists today. It's not a myth when you know for a fact that it's been shown, and that hateful White people exist and find themselves in positions of power. A smart discriminator obviously wouldn't admit to racism, but investigations can expose it. However, just because something is difficult to prove/expose and is often implied doesn't mean you can claim that it is a "myth." If you do that, then you're being intellectually dishonest.
@JDavid25: The main reason why you don't see riots regarding Black on Black crime is because Black people, unlike police officers, are already held accountable for their actions. If a Black person kills someone, best believe they are very likely to be convicted. If I murdered you, I'm going directly to prison. If a police officer killed you when you're non-threatening and unarmed, the most he might he get is fired. Besides, most of the murders that happen in the Black community are gang and drug related. I doubt that they would care that people are rioting because of them. If anything, they would be likely to join in on the riots and loot. Still, it would take a miracle to convict a cop of murder for killing an unarmed Black person. You really don't seem to get it though. It is very possible that we can focus on the problems in our community that we cause AND the issues that other people cause as well. However, we can't let our own problems distract us from those outside, because they are just as serious as well. Just because you have baby mamas and baby daddies in the Black community doesn't mean we have to turn a blind eye to police brutality and discrimination. If anything, we should address every single issue that we face and seek solutions, be it by our own due diligence or through the political system.
@JDavid25 Thank you sir👏
David is the voice of reason. Black on black crime and resisting police should be taught from within the community. Teach your children to respect law and order and to follow officers demands it's that simple. The floyed, brown etc riots are simply just black men who didn't comply and resisted or taught back. The white liberal is the one that is ruining it for the black community I feel terrible that they want no police to police low income neighborhoods. They don't realize it means more death, rape, drugs and kidnappings.
@The_Sal: David is not the "voice of reason." @JDavid25 is one of those Black guys that doesn't seem to believe that racism exists and that every negative thing that happens to Black people is Black people's fault, including unwarranted police violence. He claims systematic racism doesn't exist albeit I showed him evidence of people with Black names being discriminated against in jobs and even housing discrimination. He also doesn't seem to understand what "non-threatening" means. He also denies Black people are more likely to be shot when unarmed and non-threatening despite various studies proving it. I get racism and constant unwarranted police killings are terrible and a hard reality to accept, but denying it is unreasonable. In reply, to you, most of the Black community are not criminals and most of the people rioting are White. Still, I agree that crime is bad. My argument is that we should do whatever possible to address crime (or any issue we face) while also opposing unwarranted police violence, as it's just as real and bad. Even with high police presence in low income areas, crime is still high. However, I don't agree that the police should be completely abolished though. Is what I'm saying beyond fact and reason? If so, let's talk about it.
Keep feeling like a victim. You'll live a life of hatred, racism, loniness and madness. You're mentality is racist to the core. The world isn't black and white, in your world it is
If you have a child I hope you find a good church going black man because it's the only chance the kid will grow up thinking the right way and not have constant racist thoughts and hatred for anyone that is lighter skin then him/her.
@The_Sal"Keep feeling like a victim. You'll live a life of hatred, racism, loniness and madness. You're mentality is racist to the core. The world isn't black and white, in your world it is"It's not that I "feel like a victim." I simply understand victimization is an aspect of reality that can happen to Black people like anyone else and we show sympathy for the victimized and demand justice on their behalf. My mentality is one that accepts the truth. I don't view other races as inferior, nor do I hate them or discriminate against them. The fact of the matter is that police do have higher rates of killing unarmed Black people according to the studies and statistics, and police do have low rates of being punished for it. I believe they should be punished and we have every right to address it. The facts are that Black people still undergo employment, housing, and criminal justice discrimination, along with being the most targeted group for hate crimes every year. We have every right to address this too. Simply because Black-on-Black crime exists doesn't mean we should ignore these other issues we face. We have the right to address them all in different ways. No wonder you think David is the "voice of reason." You don't care about what's true. You simply agree with him because he confirms your biases. That's a dangerous mentality to have. You seem to be fine with Black people addressing their own problems, but instantly take issue when we address our problems that we don't cause.
@The_Sal"If you have a child I hope you find a good church going black man because it's the only chance the kid will grow up thinking the right way and not have constant racist thoughts and hatred for anyone that is lighter skin then him/her."Church doesn't teach people how to think correctly, as it's more so a place of worship. Even people in church can be biased and/or unreasonable. If I had a child, I would teach him or her how to accept the truth and how to avoid bias. I would teach my child that things might exist that (s) he may find hard to accept, but accepting them anyway is mentally healthy, builds strength, and could lead to making changes that could improve life. Allowing him/her to deny the truth only creates delusion and wouldn't encourage us to make the changes needed to improve our lives, but rather deny our problems exist rather than solve them. I'm not sure about you, but I want to live in a world where we are able to solve our problems, not deny them. Am I saying anything beyond fact or reason? If so, let's discuss it.
Just don't brainwash your boyfriend/husband and child. That's all Im saying. It's a terrible feeling to live life in chains like the democrats want.
Church and religion isn't perfect but it's a good path if you follow it. Better then having no path and blindly worshiping the government and social media
@The_Sal: "Just don't brainwash your boyfriend/husband and child. That's all Im saying. It's a terrible feeling to live life in chains like the democrats want. Church and religion isn't perfect but it's a good path if you follow it. Better then having no path and blindly worshiping the government and social media"Encouraging people to accept the truth and reject bias is the exact opposite of brainwashing. I would teach them to accept all facts, make solutions if necessary, and get all information from peer reviewed raw studies conducted by credible people rather the mainstream media (not biased CNN, MSNBC, or Fox News) social media, or political candidate. If that's not enough, I encourage them to do their own research while strictly adhering to the scientific method. I can assure you that I don't live in chains, nor do I support Democrats. However, I'm definitely not going to support conservative Republicans either, which seems to encourage denying problems and truths rather than solving them. Simply put, I'm all about supporting the facts and taking action based on what those facts are regardless of how anybody else feel about it, be it they are liberal, conservative, Republican, or Democrat. I don't need a political party or church to follow the truth.
You're heading down a path of destruction. I feel sorry for you.Trump has done more for black Americans then any president besides Abraham Lincoln. If you can't accept that then you are lost and might as well loot l, burn and murder like BLM. You ol have one life, live it to the fullest with happiness not despair, sadness and chaos
It kina did as soon as I went on there their conclusions straight out said we can't really prove whether it's race or not.. And you sound reasonable, but you mask it with some blatant lies honestly.. The evidence doesn't show that.. Actually "White" people are killed more unarmed than "Black" people.. What you are referrin to is 2 ot 3 times more likely a "Black" person is shot based on population.. But "Black" people have run ins with the police more often.. But okay lemme entertain yo examplesBreonna Taylor- Nope she was heavily involved in her boyfriends drug sells.. The police had a no knock warrant, but they knocked anyways and her boyfriend shot first and she got caught in the crossfire.. It's unfortunate but that wasn't an "unarmed" shootinPhilandering Castile- Had a warrant out for his arrest and reached for his gun in his lap while the cop told him to keep his hands up.. He was also high while his daughter was in the back of the car..Michael Brown- Literally one cases I was talkin about.. Dude literally wrestled the gun from the officer and didn't put his hands up he tried to run towards the officer after he told him to stop multiple times.Jacob Blake- He literally violently resisted arrest after police were called on him.. And he had a knife, and he was also goin to the car probably to get another a gun he could use.. I don't know the other ones but George Floyd had a deadly amount of Meth and Fentnyl in his system, arrested arrest, and they tried everything to accommodate ol boy.. He asked to be put on the ground and the knee on the neck is an approved procedure.
No, you interpret claims the way you want to interpret them.. I've seen the data, and it doesn't add up to what you are sayin. And most other "Black" people cannot if I'm bein honest.. It's all interpreted, that's why they came up with microaggressions.. And if people really are victims are hate crimes then so many wouldn't need to be made up.. And Jews are the most victims of hate crimes, and a lot of "Black" people commit hate crimes.. And like I said they nobody faces "discrimination" based on their "race", it's a socioeconomic problem.. When the Irish first came here they had conditions worse than the average "Black" person at that time.. Many people even preferred to be around "Black" people more simply because the Irish were too wild and "ghetto".. And some may not like "Black" people, and there may be some "Black" business owners who don't like "White" people.. There are laws prohibitin discrimination of that sort though so yeah. And most "White" people ain't worried about "Black" they just tryna live they own lives and most don't care about "race".. This ain't the 1800s.. And if that's unfair so is yo assertion about "White" people.. And none of the examples are conclusive of Systemic racism if you actually dig deep and do research as to how things actually work.. And it hasn't been shwon.. Nothin you've shown me as an example of systemic racism, and talkin about "hateful White people" in power is wishful thinkin honestly.. You get to live comfortable on yo phone or computer and probably complain more about dudes than you do "White" people or racism.. So yeah systemic racism is a myth.. And if it was so true I wouldn't take effort to prove..
"is because "Black" people, unlike police officers, are already held accountable".. No they ain't.. They don't even get caught a lot of the time.. The clearance rate for "Black" on "Black" murders solved here in Chicago is 20-25%... But nobody (includin you) knows or cares about that.. You know George Floyd's name, or criminals like Jacob Blake, both you don't know named like Tyshawn Lee, or the other kids who's killers still probably haven't been caught.. And the reason why it's hard to convict police officers is because you gotta actually prove the shootin was unjustified.. Most of the time it is justified... And it doesn't matter those people's families and friends get involved in that stuff.. Not to mention half them negroes don't know know to shoot so they end of killin somebody besides they target.. Not to mention all the other scare tactics they use.. They terrorizin "Black" communities and all y'all worried about is some made up cases about police brutality.. So no I still don't understand why people are riotin for fake news.. And most of the problems are comin from the "inside" there is none outside.. The few police shootins that happen ain't causin us no damn problems, the few "White" people that may come across as racist ain't causin us no problems.. What is causin us problems is us.. We focus on the wrong things, and make wrong decisions, and act wild and then call people racist because they don't like it, and they maybe cautious around you because they are bein careful.. The Chinese are blatantly discriminated against by the Malaysians and yet they still come out on top.. The Caribbeans, Africans, Asians they all make more money than the average American because they come here with a different mindset.. They ain't complainin about no damn racism, while actin any type of way they want..
@The_Sal Of course.. I try.. I used to believe all the stuff she is sayin, but they are lies to get "Black" people and others emotional.. @Tiffany_Taylor_Made I'm bein as reasonable as I can.. The "Black" community really should just focus on problems from the inside cause obviously focusin on any small problems from the outside really doesn't help us.. The problem is that a lot of "Black" people are too tribalistic but don't support anybody that thinks differently from them.. And the evidence you showed me can easily be debunked and it has... I showed you others who whose names get rejected, and you of course bring it back to "Black" people.. And I know what "non threatening" means I just haven't seen you give me any evidence of any of that.. And 9-14 "Black" people were shot unarmed in 2019, and 20+ "White" people were shot unarmed by police.. Doesn't seem like more.. And then you take into account that "Black" people have violent run ins with the police more, and commit more than half the murders in this country despite bein only 6% ("Black" men) of the population and "White" people actually get killed 24 times more than "Black" people.. I do deny it cause it's not true.. What we should do is be better in the "Black" community.. Take education seriously, take family seriously, and stop protectin criminals and harborin criminals..
I seen so many videos online (not youtube) best gore🤫That show white unarmed and armed men getting gunned down like prey to the beast. They posed a huge threat it's actually shocking seeing it but it seems totally justified. The black shootings in the past 4 years were nothing compared to what I seen. The officers show so much restraint with black suspects but still the media splashes it all over social media, it's sickening what democrats and the paid media are doing to the black community.
@JDavid25: You're literally making nothing but excuses for the victims. That's kind of sad. Regarding Breonna Taylor, police officers had the wrong house, meaning that they made a mistake on their part. The boyfriend opened fire because he was defending his house. They didn't identify themselves as police either. If they did their jobs correctly, then there wouldn't have been any reason to start shooting and she would still be alive today. For that reason, they ought to be held accountable. Philando Castile was a licensed gun owner that followed orders, told the police officer that he had a legal gun on him, and was shot because the cop was afraid that he was reaching for it. He should have been held accountable for that, but he got off scot-free. The Michael Brown case has conflicting stories, one stating that he charged at Wilson, while others state that he didn't. Either way, he was unarmed, and the situation could have been settled without deadly force. Jacob Blake was unarmed and that situation could have been solved without deadly force as well. Simply because he had a knife in his car doesn't mean that he had it on him. Besides, plenty of other unarmed Black people have been killed over the years without police officers being held accountable. That needs to change.
Take notes from David. He's a free thinking man in one of the most murderous cities in the country. he's probably heard or seen shit we never hear about because we're not local. This whole thing is just for political gain, when the riots started a white cop was exposed for breaking windows to fuel the riots even a white guy paid a black guy to smash business windows to fuel the blm agenda. It's all for political purposes
@JDavid25: I interpret the data based exactly on what it says. However, if you believe otherwise, you are welcome to prove any statement of mine wrong through direct falsification, not deflection. You seriously need to learn how to falsify statements because Jews are not a racial group, but rather a religious group. More cases of anti-Black crimes exist compared to Jews. Even if this wasn't the case, what you said doesn't prove that Black people are not victims of hate crimes. People face discrimination based on their race all the time. Plenty of people in positions of power exclude Black people when they can. Evidence exists of it. Even Black people that are high on the socioeconomic ladder experience discrimination. When you claim that Black people can also discriminate against White people, you're not falsifying my statements. I'm not saying that Black people can't discriminate, but even if they do it, that still doesn't disprove my claim that Black people are victims of discrimination as well. It's sad that you're trying your hardest not to accept the truth.
Democratic cops or trained Marxist posing as police
@JDavid25: What I showed you is a perfect example of systematic racism, but you just don't want to accept it. If someone has a name that is almost exclusive to Black people and they get rejected, but that same person gets accepted when they change their name to a more "White sounding name," that's clearly a tactic to discriminate against Black people. When a Black person tries to buy a house, but they get told it's not for sale for whatever reason, but that same realtor agrees to sell the house to a White person shortly after and the previous reason not applying to them, then clearly they are denying Black people service. If you deny this, then you're clearly living in delusion. You even had a Subway manager get fired last year for directly stating that she didn't want to hire Black people, which is clearly racial discrimination. However, you seem to believe that systematic racism could only exist if the racist just flat out said "we don't want you because you're Black." Like I said before, a smart racist will make it seem legitimate as possible, but that doesn't make it non-existent just because it requires more effort to expose. For example, if someone raped your daughter, but the rapist did everything in his power to make it seem like she consented, does that mean your daughter's claim that she was raped is a myth?
You're too deep in the rabbit hole.There's no helping you. You'll be a racist filled with rage and hatred for everyone for the rest of your life. I hope you find yourself some day. In the meantime stay away from the rest of the population that are tolerant with the rest of society and all colors, you'll taint them and make them believe they are racist. Toxic mentality
@JDavid25: Yes Black people are definitely held accountable for their actions. If a Black person kills another Black person or anybody, they would very likely be convicted of their crime and the public won't debate whether or not the Black person should be imprisoned. That needs to change and what's the protests are about, which I support. If a police officer kills an unarmed person when he was not endangering the cop's life, then the killing is unjustified. It's very easy to determine if civilian killings are unjustified, so it should be just as easy to do it for police. However, the public, which consists of the jury, are more likely believe and respect a police officer as opposed to a (Black) suspect. Thus, police officers rarely get convicted. Many times, they don't even get arrested and go to trial. None of this is "fake news." Police officers have been killing Black people unjustly for a long time and hardly anything happens to them. Evidence proves this. That's why people riot. However, you just refuse to accept it. Of course, this doesn't mean that every killer would be convicted, but Black people are definitely convicted for their crimes at much higher rates than police officers.
@JDavid25: Murder clearance rates can decrease and increase as time passes because murders often take a while to solve. Either way, a low clearance rate does not mean that Black people aren't held accountable for their actions. It could mean many things, such as Black people not wanting to snitch, which could be dangerous, police officers simply not caring about gang bangers and drug dealers killing each other, and/or Black killers just being efficient enough not to leave any clues or forensic evidence behind. Nonetheless, I agree with you. I understand that crime in Chicago (or anywhere) is definitely a problem. However, simply because crime exists in Chicago doesn't mean that we should ignore when crimes are committed against us as well. As I said before, we can improve our community better and faster if we united and tackled all our problems, not ignore one set of problems because we feel it's "not as bad" as another set of problems.
@JDavid25: You keep mentioning that only 9-14 people were unjustly killed by police in 2019. Firstly, we have no idea how many people were truly killed when unarmed by police in 2019 because not all police departments release data based on fatal encounters. Still, either way, regardless of the number, people's death due to unjust circumstances is still a problem, especially if police get off scot-free. The goal is to hold these police officers accountable for their actions because, if they're not held accountable, these numbers would only increase. In addition, 2019 wasn't the only year that passed. Plenty of unarmed non-threatening Black people have been killed every year without receiving justice. We can't ignore these cases simply because we have crime in our own community. By that logic, America shouldn't focus on terrorist attacks simply because Americans kill more Americans than terrorists do. We should be able to focus on all of it in the ways that they need to be focused on.
@The_Sal: That's not a reason to "take notes from David." David still hasn't proved any of my statements wrong yet. He still hasn't given me a reason to stop focusing on holding police officers accountable for unjust killings. What he's mostly doing is deflecting instead of falsifying. He continues to focus on crimes that Black people commit against each other, which I agree is bad and definitely needs to be solved. However, the existence of Black on Black crime doesn't mean that we should ignore police brutality as well. He hasn't given me a logical reason to ignore police brutality. Also, when I state facts such as Black people facing discrimination, saying that other groups face discrimination as well does not prove my statement wrong. It's just simply an introduction to a new, but irrelevant statement (that I am already aware of). I honestly don't think he understands that, or maybe he does, but he just doesn't want to admit that I'm right. By the way, I'm curious. Why do you think I'm racist? You've said that a few times, but you haven't proved it.
@The_Sal: Funny video, I love Key and Peele. but of course I disagree with that. The officer could have easily used his taser before he got in the car, but grabbing a gun is an instant justified shooting, something I never disputed. Of course, I don't oppose justified police killings. I oppose police killings when the suspect is unarmed and not threatening the cop's life. I guess the conservative idea of policing would be to go to door-to-door to Black people's houses like girl scouts and shoot those that answer. Also, I would like you to answer the question as to how I'm supposedly racist. Do you actually have evidence of me expressing hate and/or intolerance for other races, or are you just saying that because you disagree with me?
You mean I'm blamin the victim? I'm not.. Breonna Taylor- LMAO.. No.. Here's the entire leaked documents of conversations between her old babydaddy or ex boyfriend "Thugga" aka Jamarcus Glover, and they basically was talkin about the whole thing.. This is undeniable proof right here.. www.yumpu.com/.../breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1And actually Castile was really illegally possessin a firearm.. A technicality really.. Because he was high, and it's illegal to posess a firearm while bein on any type of substance.. And he didn't follow orders.. He was reachin for his band, he should have had his hands on the dash board.. There's too many instances where cops might get shot.. Did the Yanez do everything right? I don't know, but the situation was unfortunate, and could have been avoid had Castile followed orders all the way..And there was no conflictin stories with Michael Brown.. The conflictin story was from his friend who was with him and the boy he lived with.. Michael Brown robbed a story on video before the encounter, and like I said he violently resisted the cop.. Would you take a chance with a guy that's 6'5" tryna wrestle you for yo gun? Officer WIlson did everything in his power not to kill Michael.. There's all types of evidence to support that Michael was chargin Wilson.. ANd what ways could have prevented it, that sounds logical and reasonable? I'll wait?
There's video evidence that Jacob Black had the knife right on him, and even in the video his people was tellin him to stop and not to do what he was doin.. They tased him, tried to hold him down but he wasn't listenin.. I'm honestly perplexed that people who have never tried to restrain somebody got so much to say on the matter of handlin difficult people.. This is why the "Black" community is the way it is, cause people make excuses for the few criminals and law breakers who resist arrest.. And I'mma need proof of the "plenty of unarmed "Black" people" thing.. Like I said unarmed doesn't mean "not dangerous" and you keep ignorin that.. And here's a little more data for you..-https://www. amren. com/videos/2020/08/who-kills-whom-the-truth-about-black-crime/- Every year, the FBI publishes racial statistics on victims and perpetrators and puts them into this table. 2018 is the most recent year. It’s simple to calculate that the rate at which blacks committed murder was 7.5 times the white rate. And a black person was 15-1/2 times more likely to kill a white person than a white person was to kill a black person. There are data like this only for crimes with a single killer and a single victim.- Here are the most recent data: 2012 to 2013. Most violent crime is within the races, but if you do the calculations, you will find that blacks committed 560,600 violent crimes against whites and whites committed 99,400 against blacks. Because there are nearly five times as many whites as there are blacks, it means any given black person was *27 times* more likely to attack a white person than the other way around.-"Blacks" are six times more likely than "whites" to be arrested for rape, and Hispanic five times more likely. But look at the suspects figure. Forty percent of white rape victims are raped by someone who wasn’t white.
-A "black" person is 17 times more likely than a white to be arrested for robbery, and a Hispanic is 7 times more likely. And look at the percentage of white victims compared to white suspects. *Seventy percent* of whites are mugged by someone who is not white — most likely, black.And there are so many laws against what you are talkin about that it's not even funny.. A person can just sue to company, or go to the NAACP, the media is so for BLM it's not even funny.. A country elected a "Black" (really half "White") President for 2 terms.. There's no or very little evidence of any system.. But even there was, it's not even a dent in the problems of the "Black" community.. Racism is the last thing we gotta worry about.. More "Black" people had 2 parent households in the 50's than they do now.. They cared more about education than back then we do now.. It's about culture now.. And unfortunately "Black" people celebrate a culture of quick money, and lookin rich, than actually investin in their lives.. It's not hard to accept cause there's nothin to accept..
Oh so there's systemic racism when you have influential "Black" lawyers, lawmakers, celebrities, organizations, restaurants owners, sports stars, police officers, police commissioners, Mayors, a few governors, business owners, artists, actors, singers, directors, educators, historical figures, celebs.. Etc.. And I already explained why that happens in a nonracial way.. Because of perceived socioeconomic status.. And I told you that others also get that same thing not just "Black" people but you just happen to bring it back to "Black" people.. And in real life, a realtor will take anybody who has good credit, and good income.. If they want the business, they will take whoever will give it to them.. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't deny a rich or Upperclass "Black" person a house simply because they are "Black".. Do you know what would happen to that realtor? Especially in this day and age? I'm actually gettin out of the delusion.. The delusion of society holdin us back cause we "Black".. And I don't know much about the subway manager, but you proved my point.. They will get fired as soon as they say somethin like that.. And no I would believe systemic racism exist if there were not so many successful "Black" people, and some of the poorest and forgotten communities are "White" and "Native Indian"... And of course not.. Not a great correlation.. I would go with what the evidence says even if she is my daughter..
In the killing of Justine Damon.. Police Officer Mohammed was given paid leave, and wasn't convicted of anything for 8 months, and he didn't get sent to prison for almost 2 years.. Nobody hardly knows who she is, and when they talk about the Case they protest for Mohammed Noor.. Tony Tempa died similarly to how George Floyd did, and the policeman laughed while they restrained him.. They even laughed that they might have killed him.. It took a year for them to release the video cam footage.. There was another case where it was a "White" police officer who got off for shootin an unarmed "White" guy who simply "misstepped" while he was crawlin to him while intoxicated.. I forgot the name but yeah.. And there will always be crimes commited against us, or all people.. Protestin won't stop what little crimes are actually committed against us.. And all you do is acknowledge that "Black" crime exist, like many of the other protestors.. The reason I bring that up is because people are so angry over racism when death by "our own" is plaguing our communities and that's ignored.. But as soon as one "White" person does somethin it hell breaks loose.. It's hypocritical, and evil, and dangerous..
And finally.. Clearance rate matters.. Because like I said most of those dudes don't get caught.. And the fact that you are findin ways to excuse it is tellin.. Instead of sayin "yeah we should protest about that", or we should worry more about that.. You found ways to be like "oh uuh well there's all types of reasons for that".. It's simply cause people don't wanna snitch.. It's embarrassin for police not to be able to solve crimes and make they streets safer.. Chicago is corrupt and the democratic policies and welfare state and lack of school choice have very negatively affected "Black" communities.. But Unfortunately "Black" people keep votin those same Democratic candidates in simply cause they are democrats or people of "color" or women or somethin like that.. I would agree with you that we shouldn't ignore outside forces if problems in our own communities wasn't so rampant, and those outside problems were actually the cause of our demise in the communities.. But they ain't.. Far from it.. Not even top 100..
@JDavid25: Police officers can only use deadly force when a suspect threatens their life. The police officers arrived at Taylor's home due to police work. Taylor was not the suspect in this case, but rather the ex-boyfriend. Nothing in those police reports you mentioned justified anything regarding Taylor's death. If they were good detectives, then the police would have arrived at the correct house. Instead, they arrived at the wrong house and did not announce they were police officers. They also obtained a no-knock warrant under false pretenses. Naturally, Taylor's boyfriend defended his house, resulting in the death of Breonna Taylor. Because Breonna Taylor died when she wasn't a suspect and not posing a threat to the lives of any cop, the police officers should be held accountable for her death and their poor police work. Therefore, the fact is that Taylor's death was not a justified shooting. Her supposedly being in a relationship with a drug dealer does not change the fact that she posed no threat to the officers before her death. In addition, the Tatum Report is not a reliable source for information due to its obvious political bias. You are simply using information from obviously biased sources to confirm your bias instead of reasoning correctly and accepting the facts. The fact is that the police did poor detective work, which led to them killing the wrong person. Just as a civilian would be, the police need to be held accountable for that justified death.
@JDavid25: The Michael Brown case was a story told mainly by Wilson's own accounts of the stories and witness testimonies, many of which were conflicting stories. Thus, no real irrefutable proves beyond a reasonable doubt what happened, but based on Wilson's own story, multiple times existed where Wilson could have controlled the situation without using lethal force. For example, when Wilson mentioned approaching Brown in his car, Brown supposedly resisted arrest and began attacking Wilson from the window. This does not automatically mean that Brown was trying to take Wilson's weapon. At this very moment, Wilson could have controlled the situation by using non-lethal force such as his mace and taser, but instead, Wilson chooses to use his pistol and shoots Brown in his hand. Brown then ran and hid behind a car. At that very moment Brown ran away, he could not be considered a threat to Wilson's life because he's running away. Wilson then got out his car and chased Brown and Brown eventually stopped. This is where the witness reports differ. Some witnesses mentioned that Brown surrendered and told Wilson that he was unarmed, which he was. Others mentioned that Brown charged at Wilson with full speed. Either way, at this moment, Wilson could have easily used non-lethal weapons if he supposedly charged at Wilson.
@JDavid25: A taser could have brought him despite his size and mace could have blinded him. Instead, Wilson chose to fire six shots when his life was not in any real danger. Just because a suspect is big, it doesn't mean that your life is threatened, especially when you're a combat-trained police officer with several non-lethal weapons at your disposal that has been established to work on most suspects. Brown's hand was also shot at this time, so I doubt that he could have done much harm. Plenty of suspects have resisted arrest violently without threatening the cop's life, but still weren't killed. The Michael Brown case, based on Wilson's own story, could have been resolved without killing him. As I said before, police officers are only authorized to utilize deadly force when a suspect threatens their life. Simply resisting arrest is not a life threatening action for a police officer.
@JDavid25: As for Philando Castile, you're simply wrong about that situation. Philando was following orders as he was supposed to, which was shown on video. The officer asked for his ID and registration. During so, he informed the officer that he had a gun in his car, which he legally owned. However, in the process, which was shown on video, he was reaching for his ID. The officer got scared and yelled for him not to reach for the gun, but both Philando and his girlfriend were assuring the cop that he was reaching for his ID and not the gun, but the cop still shot him quickly. The cop was even slow to get Philando medical assistance. Despite all that, the cop got off scot-free for killing Philando despite him following orders. Thus, he ultimately should have been held accountable for that. Jeronmio Yanez was simply too easily scared to be a police officer.
@JDavid25: The video evidence does not clearly show what Jacob Blake was holding in his hand during the struggle. However, if he was holding a knife, he was not brandishing it at officers. Police officers shot Blake when he had his back turned away from the police. Considering more than one officer was present, they could have done a better job with restraining him. If, for whatever reason, they struggled to apprehend one man, they could have called for backup. I understand that "unarmed" does not always mean "not dangerous," but a suspect behaving in a "dangerous" way does not always warrant the use of lethal force, as "dangerous" does not always mean "life threatening." For example, an aggressive unarmed suspect simply trying to fight the police could be considered "dangerous," but plenty of violent police encounters have ended with the suspects being taken into custody rather than killed. Not every "dangerous" situation has to end in a death or a violent shooting. While I agree that suspects should not be resisting arrest or getting violent with police officers, police officers are still aware of the risks and are trained to handle resistance and hand-to-hand combat situations without having to resort to death.
@JDavid25: You constantly mention crime statistics in comparison to the White crime statistics and the White population, but you never compare Black crime statistics to the Black population. You also used a source from American Renaissance, which is a White nationalist website created by the White nationalist Jared Taylor. This shows that you are more concerned with spreading a political agenda rather than accepting the facts. Anyways, crime rates compared to the overall Black population is extremely low. According to the most recent numbers, the 2018 murder data table, Black people were responsible for 38% of the murder. I agree 38% of the murders with being only 13% of the population still indicates a much higher murder rate compared to Whites, but only 16,335 murders were committed in 2018 and Black people only committed 6,318 of those murders. The Black population is around an estimated 43,000,000, meaning that 0.01% of Black people committed murder. In other words, murder is not that common of a crime compared to others and the vast majority of Black people are not killers. Regardless, even if Black people have higher murder rates, that doesn't mean that we should allow the police to kill us unjustly, get off scot-free, and demonize the victim rather than the killer. According to the violent crime victimization data from between 2012-15, the total number of Black interracial offenses equals 713,480. Doing the math, 713,480 (Black interracial offenses) out of 1,436,230 (total interracial offenses) is 49.6% of all known interracial crime. To narrow it down, when doing the rest of the math, Hispanic people committed 32% of all interracial victimizations, and White people committed 18%. The source also shows that the majority of these victimizations are simple assault cases. When you consider these facts in context, it makes perfect sense.
@JDavid25: People tend to live around individuals of their own race. White people are 60% of the American population, or 70% if you include White Hispanics. Chances are, Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to get into simple assaults with White people simply because White people are a much larger population percentage. White people have lower rates of getting into simple assaults with Blacks or Hispanics because they are much lower in percentage than White people, meaning they would literally have to specifically go to Black or Hispanic areas to target them at high rates to increase the percentage. Therefore, White people commit the vast majority of violent crime against each other than non-Whites. However, interestingly, when you factor in the amount of hate crimes (crimes motivated by prejudice) committed within the span of 2012-2015 along with the amounts of interracial crimes committed by Black and White people, which is 11,236 for White people, and 5,113 for Black people, you would find that White people's victimizations were 4.3 times more likely to be motivated by bias, compared to Black people being 0.71 times more likely to be motivated by bias. This makes sense that White-on-Black crime is more likely to be racially motivated because targeting a population that is only 13% of the population requires more effort compared to a population of 60%-70%. Police officers are not exempt from committing hate crimes as well. Thus, whenever they do commit a racially motivated breach of police conduct against a Black person, they should be held accountable for it regardless of any group's crime statistics.
@JDavid25: Racism definitely is a major problem for the Black community, especially when it is systemic and covert. Much of the primary reason that crime rates are high in the Black community is due to racism. America has a long history of racism that dates even before the days of slavery. The main reason people are even considered "White" or "Black" or whatever was to separate humanity and determine which group deserved the most rights and privileges, which is systemic. Obviously, the system of slavery was a racist one, as the Europeans believed that the Black people were inferior and only existed to serve White people. When slavery ended, obviously racism never ended. Many hate groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and White League formed and committed several acts of violence against Black people and enacted discrimination policies such as the Black Codes, to restrict the rights of Black people. Of course, due to the actions of the president Ulysses S. Grant during the time, many of the KKK's actions were disrupted and the Klan went silent for a while until the early 20th century. The second wave of the KKK came into effect and in the south, the Jim Crow laws took effect, which referred to even more discrimination laws that prevented Black people from fully progressing. After the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, racism never truly disappeared, but rather went covert. Nowadays, instead of openly expressing racism and lynching Black people with hoods, businesses are simply excluding Black people and providing legal reasons for it. However, evidence showed you that, through investigations, businesses are highly likely to reject people with "Black sounding names" in favor for more "Whiter" names, which indicates racism. If Black people are denied certain jobs at higher rates compared to Whites, especially high paying jobs, then Black people are more likely to make less money compared to White people.
@JDavid25: Evidence I've also showed you earlier proves that, through investigations, realtors deny Black people homes by providing them false information about why they can't make the sale, but would sell the same house to a White buyer with that reason not applying to them. If you combine that with the fact that Black people have a higher rate than White people regarding workplace discrimination, as well as housing discrimination, and the fact that Black people have a much higher rate of accepted to live in low income housing, then you get a bunch of low income Black people living in the same areas with limited opportunities. As a result, a significant amount of the population in these areas turn to crime to support themselves, usually by joining gangs and dealing drugs. Of course, the drug market on the streets get competitive and the competition usually leads to violence, resulting in a, as mentioned earlier, small portion of the Black population committing murders. Murders often attract police attention. However, considering that people that aren't fond of Black people could easily become cops, a significant portion of the cops that deal with Black people in these areas could be racist and break conduct against them, resulting in their unjustified deaths. Because much of the public is very fond of Black people as well, they encourage the demonization of the Black victims rather than the perpetrators. Black people then start movements such as Black Lives Matter to protest the unjust killings and racism towards Black people, but are often met with hostility. Therefore, we experience a never-ending cycling of discrimination that ultimately leads higher crime rates in the Black community, which also leads to mass incarceration, and unjust deaths by the hands of police. That's how systemic racism exists today and it is something that Black people should worry about, as it is the root cause of most of our issues in the grand scheme of things.
@JDavid25: As for your replies to my posts, such as the Subway manager, she got fired for it because it was exposed. The point that I am making is that systemic racism of this sort is not always exposed and that people get away with this without being fired. Only someone that is extremely naive or biased would believe that systemic racism is a "myth" simply because it hasn't been exposed or isn't obvious. Simply because influential Black people exists does not mean that systemic racism doesn't. Simply because we live in a society where many people aren't very fond of us and try to prevent us from being successful doesn't mean that they would always succeed. In fact, in many cases, the White people that own 82.5% of America's business downright require Black people's services for certain things and "allow" their success. For example, Black people are often the most talented athletically. As a result, they are more likely to be signed to professional sports teams, as, without Black people, most sport leagues wouldn't last too long. If sports could have existed without Black people, not too many would be signed. Black people can also be useful in the political realm for spreading certain biases. For example, White conservatives are very likely to hire Black people that argue that systemic racism doesn't exist to speak in political forums to make the argument seem more convincing. Barack Obama becoming president also doesn't disprove systemic racism either because simply voting for a candidate doesn't suddenly mean that racial hatred disappeared. A person can hate White people, for example, and still vote for a White president.
@JDavid25: Regarding the case of Tony Timpa, I am well aware of that case. Also, the case with Tony Timpa happened in 2016 and while it probably didn't get the same amount of national media attention as the George Floyd case, the difference was that many people actually wanted justice for Timpa at the time, as in they wanted the police officers that killed him to be convicted of murder. They signed petitions, called for the cops to be convicted, and supported his family. With George Floyd, people are attempting to demonize him by bringing up his criminal record, saying that he "wasn't a hero," expressing more concern regarding the riots instead of the reason the riots are occurring, and supporting the officers more than the victim. Statistics also show that police officers are three-times more likely to kill unarmed Black people compared to White people. It just proves how the public reacts differently to a Black person being unjustly killed by a White cop compared to a White person being unjustly killed by a White cop. The Black victim is always seen as the bad guy while the White victim is seen as just a normal innocent victim. The point of the protests isn't to "end crime," but rather to raise awareness to the public and government and hope that they see the trend of Black people being unjustly killed by police and police not being held accountable for it. The protestors hope that the politicians would enact laws in response that would ensure police accountability.
@JDavid25: I'm not excusing anything about the clearance rate. I'm only bringing you the facts. While I'm not denying that the clearance rate in Chicago for murder is low, the fact is a low clearance rate doesn't somehow mean that Black people aren't held accountable for their actions. When I say that "Black people are held accountable," I mean there is no debate over a Black person's fate should they commit a crime. If, for example, a young Black male kills a 5-year-old White boy, most likely, he will be arrested, tried, and convicted. Even if it doesn't happen because he was, say, good at evading police, the public wouldn't debate his fate. They would want him thrown underneath the jail as he should be. That represents accountability. However, if a police officer killed a Black person that wasn't threatening his life on-duty, chances are, many people would be debating his fate, with many supporting the cop. If you can kill someone unjustly and a large portion the public believes you did nothing wrong, along with actually being acquitted in court, that means you're not being held accountable for your actions. Another fact that I mentioned about clearance rates are that they are slow to increase because murders often take a while to completely solve. Gang crimes, especially drive-by shootings that don't leave much evidence, which is what the vast majority of Chicago's killings are, are very hard to solve.
@JDavid25: However, here are more facts. Chicago is not the only city in the country and it's not even more the most dangerous. Chicago is not even in the top 10 of most dangerous cities in the country. Beyond Chicago, regarding the entire country, according to the FBI, murder has a 61% clearance rate nationwide. While a 39% chance of getting away with murder exists, still, the majority of murders in the country are cleared. However, according to a study regarding police discipline in Chicago, only 7% of police officers have been disciplined for misconduct in a 32-year period. You notice that 61% of murders have been cleared nationwide in 2017, but only 7% of police officers in Chicago have been punished for misconduct over a 32-year span, something is wrong and needs to be addressed.
@JDavid25: A bullet list of facts and sources: • Black people are more likely to be killed by police when unarmed. https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877#ref-26• Black people are more likely when compared to White people to be killed without posing an immediate threat to police officers. www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0749379716303841• Only 11% of police officers were convicted for unwarranted police killings over a 15-year period. www.statista.com/.../• According to a study regarding police discipline in Chicago, only 7% of police officers have been disciplined for misconduct in a 32-year period. https://beta.cpdp.co/• Compared to other races, Black people are the most targeted for hate crimes every single year in a 25-year period. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime• In 2018, around 921 Jewish people were victims of hate crimes while around 2,422 Black people were victims. ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2018/topic-pages/victims • Over 940 hate groups exist, with the vast majority being White supremacist groups. https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map • Black people are very likely to be denied employment if they have Black-sounding names in their applications. hbswk.hbs.edu/.../minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews• Black people are more likely to be denied being sold a home in certain counties. abc7ny.com/.../• In the United States, in 2017, murder nationwide had a 61.6% clearance rate.
@JDavid25: Whenever you reply to me, you continue to deflect rather than address the information that I post head on. You also do blame the victims of police shootings because you try your best to make it seem as if they deserved to die and the police did no wrong, despite the fact that their lives weren't threatened and that they could have handled their situations differently. To support your deflection arguments, you simply confirm your own biases with sources such as the Tatum Report rather than use any raw data from direct studies. You also revealed where you truly stand when you posted a source from a White nationalist website. It shows that you don't really care about the facts, but rather pushing a heavy pro-White agenda where White racists and police officers shouldn't be held accountable and could do no wrong. I, on the other hand, posted nothing but facts from direct and reliable sources, which you can't seem to address. I laid out pretty much all my facts in bullets for you as well. Do you have anything that can directly falsify the data in my facts rather than deflections? For example, when I say that Black people are 3-times more likely to be shot by a cop when unarmed, but you bring up Black crime rates, you're deflecting by bringing up another statement rather than proving my own statement wrong. To do that, you need to post other reliable data that directly shows that my data is false. Do you have anything that can directly prove my facts wrong? If not, then you're basically deflecting every time you reply to me. You still haven't given my any logical reason why I should stop believing that police officers should be held accountable for doing wrong either.
LMMAAOOO.. Firstly the boyfriend shot at them first so they were justified in usin deadly force.. And secondly you probably didn't even read the report.. And if you did you skimmed over it.. XD They was basically incriminatin themselves in the report.. They did a 4 year investigation on Breonna Taylor.. I wasn't the wrong house... LMAO.. They knew exactly what house they were goin to.. Breonna wasn't an EMT, she got fired because she was involved in a murder investigation, in which a car she rented was involved.. She was deep in the drug game, doin runs for them.. It takes a lot to get a no knock warrant, you gotta have evidence over evidence.. And you gotta make sure you hit the right house.. They raided 3 or 4 houses before Breonna's.. The only mistake they made was that they knocked.. And how can her boyfriend defend his house when all they did was knock.. You are straight out lyin and bein dishonest, and not doin research.. And disregardin the research presented to you because it's from a certain source.. It doesn't matter if it's from the Tatum report, what matters is that they have evidence to prove their point.. Like I said, you are just bein dishonest honestly..
And while you talk about Tasers look at the Rayshard Brooks video.. It will show you how well Tasers work on intoxicated individuals.. You can used 2 or 3 tasers and they won't work.. Like I said, before you give yo uneducated opinion on how to handle a situation... Actually handle it first.. But, I'm not goin to answer everything you wrote because you keep sayin for some reason that I'm deflectin when I am point blank respondin to what you say.. You make a lot of assumptions with no actual evidence, and then you send me links and make yo own evidence up by trying to sound smart and "doing the math" which the math is already done so I don't know what that is for.. LMAO.. And even Eric Holder who was part of Obama's administration sent the FBI down the Ferguson to inventigated Michael Brown's death, and found that Officer Wilson was justified.. And multiple witness' all said Michael Brown was wrestlin with and chargin at Wilson.. Mace and a taser wouldn't work in a guy that big who is intoxicated.. As of Rayshard Brooks.. And Michael Brown wasn't shot because he was "simply resisting arrest".. There you go with the dishonesty..
And mmhmm.. Philando was high with his daughter in the back while driving the car.. He illegally had his gun on him because you can't possess a weapon and be use substance, and lied on his conceal and carry application.. And if he followed orders he wouldn't have gotten shot... Simple as that.. You can try and twist events to fit yo dishonest narrative all you want really.. I don't have to worry about gettin show because I'm not a criminal.. If police tell me to comply I simply do that.. And you're wrong about George Floyd's death.. Everybody was sayin that Officer Chauvin should be investigated.. Everybody.. Even President Trump.. But people had to mess it up by riotin.. For what? And people started showin George's background as soon as he was heralded as a martyr, or a saint.. But he probably didn't even die from the Knee.. He had excited delirium and a lethal amount of drugs in his system.. Plus even if you look at his video he could still move his head.. And Tony Timpa didn't have protest and riots in his name.. So don't try and twist things just like you always like to do. I won't keep entertainin you and yo dishonesty.. And it's not because I can't go through every point you provided and just knock it out of the park, but only cause you will try and find some way to discredit any source because conservative sources are actual more honest than Liberal ones.. And you bring up the same points and expect them to be true because you repeat them.. There's no reason for these riots.. Systemic racism is a myth, and back in the 1950's there was real systemic racism, and even they were doin pretty good.. The truth is that this nation is the least racist it's ever been except to racist individuals who want to keep it alive and cash in on minorities suffering.. But yeah..
@JDavid25 david there is no point arguing with a racist liberal. Just move on.
@JDavid25 Tiffany hates white people and every race with a passion.Just let her live her wicked life of racist hatred and live yours to the fullest. If you were in my area I'd have a beer with ya you seem cool 👍
@The_Sal: Why do you think that I am a liberal, hate White people, and live a life of racist hatred?
Because you follow a false movement, a lie and blm, black panthers are all trained Marxist and stated their hatred for the white man. A group of racist radicals. You give off that impression.
@The_Sal: Putting it simply, I merely follow the facts. The facts (studies and statistics) show police kill Blacks at higher rates, especially when unarmed and non-threatening. I don't believe cops should be killing unarmed and non-threatening people. BLM also shares this belief. Therefore, I support BLM. If any individual BLM supporter hates "the White man," then I disagree with him or her, but still agree with the BLM message. I never mentioned Black Panthers, but the same thing applies to them too. I advocate accountability, not hate. I don't get how holding police accountable for misconduct is "racist radicalism."
If they commit over 50% of crimes and make up 13% of the population then yes on paper it looks like they get killed at higher rates but you never know the full story. All cnn shows is a picture of the dude when he was 4 years old and claims he was shot and hanged by police on his way to church THEN body cam footage is released weeks later and shows the suspect trying to take the officers and shoot the officer dead. You see the news and make your decision right then and there without doing your research.
@The_Sal: First, Black people don't commit over 50% of crime. Not even close. Out of all arrests that happened in 2018, the latest crime statistics available from what I could find, Black people were only arrested 2,115,381 times out of 7,710,900 arrests, which only comprises 27% of all arrests that year. White people were arrested 5,319,654 times out of 7,710,900, which is 68% of arrests. Also keep in mind that many of those arrested could be repeat offenders. Even if your numbers were true, it doesn't matter. High crime rates compared to the White population doesn't justify shooting an unarmed and non-threatening suspect. Also, it doesn't just "look like" Black people are killed by police at higher rates; it's an undeniable fact based on numerous studies, statistics, and even the law enforcement agencies that report it. In many such cases, body cameras or video footage recorded by onlookers tell the whole story. Police have killed plenty of Black people that were unarmed and not threatening the officers' lives. Many Black suspects have been victims of unnecessary chokeholds, being shot in the back, shot while running away, shot while reaching for their license and registration, or even killed when they weren't suspects, all while unarmed. Cops that killed people this way need to be held accountable, but they rarely are. If I killed somebody that was unarmed and not threatening my life, I would be held accountable and sent to prison. It shouldn't be any different for the police. By the way, I don't even watch the news and I always do my research because I get my information directly from the source and raw studies. You apparently don't do yours because you got your numbers wrong.ucr.fbi.gov/.../table-43www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0749379716303841
Being arrested doesn't mean crimes committed. There are thousands hundreds of thousands of crimes that are committed and not reported. Shootings, robberies, thefts etc.Detroit for example I beielve I read only 5% of the shootings and murders are solved. No arrest does that mean black men didn't commit the crime because they weren't arrested? Use your head
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xSND5yVMViYThis says all you need to know
@The_Sal: Arrests mainly happen when crimes are committed. With that, 68% and 27% are a huge difference. I have no idea where you got that "over 50%" number from. More often than not, when a person is believed to have committed a crime, they would be arrested before they are sentenced. Thus, arrest rates accurately reflect crime rates. Saying that hundreds of thousands of crimes exist that aren't reported isn't based on any evidence. It's just an empty claim unless that information is somehow recorded and shown. With that, you can't automatically assume that Black people are even mostly supposedly guilty of those "unreported" crimes unless that information is recorded. Based on what is shown though, non-Hispanic White people are clearly the biggest crime offenders, which makes sense because they are 60% of the American population. Detroit is also not the only city in the country, with only 267 murders in 2017. Choosing only Detroit is cherry picking. The more practical argument would be to include nationwide murder clearance rates. In 2018, over 16,335 murders happened, which is much more than Detroit, and the murder clearance rate nationwide was 62%. Either way, the crime rate or individual murder clearance rates in a city doesn't matter. Crime rates of a group don't justify the unlawful killing of individuals within that group.ucr.fbi.gov/.../clearances
You should move to that racist black only city in georgia, the safe haven. You'll feel right at home. Segregation is the cities goal and "keep whitey out" is the motto. Watch it thrive and see the non existent crime with no cops. Hey if someone gets raped or murdered it's not true because crime never happens and if it does its the white man trying to bring you and the city down. Amirite?
I'm kidding but you see whee I'm going with that. You can't honestly believe that a cop free world means no more crime and no more violence against black men. Black men kill more black men then cops do. It's a fact. And white men get killed in higher numbers. It's a fact. You are proving the fBi too! Lol you need to learn how to read statistics correctly
@The_Sal: It's hard to tell if you're kidding because it's not too uncommon for White people to actually think that way. Anyways:"You can't honestly believe that a cop free world means no more crime and no more violence against black men."I don't believe that though. I believe that law enforcement is necessary, but needs reform. I simply believe in holding police officers that defy conduct accountable for their actions, meaning that if they, for example, shoot me when I'm unarmed with my hands up, they should be punished for it instead getting off scot-free."Black men kill more black men then cops do. It's a fact."You're definitely right. It is a fact that I never once denied. However, simply because it is a fact doesn't mean that we should ignore when police officers also kill us unjustly. If an Islamic terrorist kills Americans, should we ignore it because more Americans kill Americans than terrorists?"And white men get killed in higher numbers. It's a fact." You're right. This is also a fact that I never once denied. However, based on the studies, which I have posted, evidence shows that White victims of police killings are more likely to be intoxicated, threatening, mentally ill, and more likely to attempt suicide by cop. Black people are, for some reason, more likely to be killed when they are unarmed and non-threatening to the cops. That fact disturbs me."You are proving the fBi too! Lol you need to learn how to read statistics correctly"I read them word for word. All my sources prove my points.
There you go with your racist ways assuming I'm white.I'm Mexican not that it matters because guess what, race is just that, race! Like MLK said "don't judge someone by their color but by their character". you should follow the great MLK and a MalcomX. They're great thinking men that didn't let the democratic party control their minds and hearts. You can learn a thing or two
@The_Sal: When you say things like "keep Whitey out," it's pretty easy to mistake you as White. It's not things that Mexicans usually say. I agree with things that Martin Luther King and Malcolm X have said, along with disagree with some things, but my views are not influenced by their words or any political party. I only follow what the facts show. The fact is unarmed and non-threatening Black people are killed at the highest rates. The view based on that fact is that unarmed and non-threatening Black people shouldn't be killed by the police and if they are, the cops ought to be punished for it. You still haven't given me a single reason not to believe this.
You think you know Mexicans and what we say and how we think lol sounds like something a Democrat would say. I guess that's the liberal mentality. We have our own opinions in case you havnt notice, skin color is just that, a color. Skin color doesn't determine how you think or how you're supposed to think. That's how you keep being mentally enslaved. We're all free thinkers. It's up to you if you choose to think the way you do and see color as a something that defines you. Call me color blind but I see you as a woman not a black woman, but a woman. Just like expect you to see me as a man not a Hispanic brown male from Mexico even tho I was born here
@The_Sal: I know that skin color doesn't determine how you're supposed to think. I'm just saying you're using terms and talking points more commonly used by White conservatives, which is something that isn't common with Mexicans. Most Mexicans in America ironically vote Democrat. That's why you came off as a right-wing White guy to me. Also, when you first replied to me, you asked "what about if White people were shot," not "what if Mexicans were shot." However, apparently, you're not White, so my apologies. It's all well and good that you don't see race, but you're only seeing things based on how things should be rather than how they are. Unfortunately, many other people in the world see still race and they form bias and hatred based on it, resulting in things such as discrimination, hate crimes, and unwarranted police killings. Acting as if nobody else sees race doesn't solve any problems that happen based upon race. The fact that you ignore these facts, among others, and resort to baseless claims such as by calling people "Democrats," "liberals," and "racist" without evidence shows that you're not actually the "free thinker" that you think you are. You're just desperately appealing to a conservative mentality, even in the face of facts that prove you wrong. If you truly want to be a free thinker, stop watching the news, stop viewing the world in a politically partisan way because not everything is "Democrat," "Republican," "liberal," "conservative," or whatnot, and stop using other people's talking points. Instead, base your views solely on reliable facts, peer reviewed studies, and science, and be willing to accept truths that you might not enjoy.
You're pretty much like Samuel j Jackson on Django. Manipulated to the core like a puppet by the democratic party. There's no hope for you
@The_Sal: You mean the character that considered himself second to the White man and looked down on Black people? The character that constantly put White people on a pedestal and treated his own Black people similar to how the racist slave owners treated them? I don't see why you would think that applies to me. Besides, back then, during the time the events in that movie took place, the Democrats held conservative views. I don't hold any conservative views. Republicans had more liberal views back then because they were the Abolitionists and were involved in freeing the slaves. Of course, all this changed after the New Deal. I'm starting to think that you're trolling me at this point if you believe that I'm a self-hating Black person.
If you hate America so much and hate how racist everyone is why don't you move? LolWho wants to live a depressing life of victim hood and hatred in a country of white supremacist when you can easily move to another country? So many out there that don't have not 1 racist, only in America.
@The_Sal: Because I love America and try to associate only with loving people rather than the racist ones. My friends, family, fiancee, and people that I hang with are great people. Moving to another country would be hard because I don't know anybody overseas, my career is based here, I own my home here, my cars are here and shipping them overseas would be a burden, all my friends and family are here, my fiancee might not want to leave the country, my bank account is based in America, my income is the American dollar, which could be a burden getting it transferred to some foreign currency, there would likely be language barriers depending on the country I move to, and the list goes on. I don't see why people think it's "easy" to just up and leave for some other country. It probably would be if I was a poor refugee, but as a person with assets, it's not that simple.
You sound like you're doing really well living in a country systematically made to keep you and your race down, killing and lynching every African American on the street and forcing your people to not try and succeed (sarcasm).Sounds like good ol American privilege to me 🤔😋
"When you say things like "keep Whitey out," it's pretty easy to mistake you as White." you said thisWhite people aren't the only ones that view you guys that way. Every other race sees what goes on and we all shake our heads. Other countries have it so much harder and you guys just can't seem to understand how good we all have it here. Every race is equal, everyone has a chance no matter what color your skin. The government favors blacks more than Mexicans, my people and now Asians. You guys have had over 60 years of affirmative action and you still complain and blame the white man like he isn't doing anything or still trying to keep you down. I'm glad you're doing well but I see so much hypocrisy with your comments. You're doing well for yourself but claim your people are targeted and can't succeed in life. Democrats and news outlets have done their job to keep you feeling like a victim
@The_Sal: I never once said that success is impossible for Black people. If you are 100% sure I said that, I welcome you to look through all my comments and copy and paste my words. Obviously, plenty of Blacks are successful. However, Black people do have more roadblocks when traveling down their road to success, which is something that should be addressed, not ignored. The truth is not every White person in the world is very fond of us. White people own 82% of the businesses in America. White people that aren't too fond of us are very likely to be within that 82% in some form. Contrary to popular belief, racists aren't just your southern rednecks in trailer parks. Racists can be your hiring managers, business owners, police officers, politicians, teachers, and so on. Thus, it is more likely White people in power that don't like Black people would discriminate against them. This makes it more difficult for Black people to become successful, but not impossible. If a company needs to enforce a "diversity policy," they are likely to hire a few Blacks to avoid seeming racist, but not a lot of them. Just as I sent the other guy that replied to me, studies have shown that Black people are still more likely to be denied jobs based on their name even with affirmative action policies in place, and are more likely to be denied home deals. When you combine that with the fact that Blacks are much more likely to be accepted for low income public housing in comparison, you get ghettos and crime.
@The_Sal: The main reason that I was able to become successful was because I had all the help that I could get. I went to a mostly Black school with a lot of my fellow Black teachers helping me, went to an HBCU with more Black professors helping me, had my friends and family members help me get jobs to support myself while in school (because normally I wasn't getting called back), and was basically employed for my career directly through my university. In other words, the main reason that I became successful was because I had a slew of Black people helping me. Unless you're an exceptional athlete, entertainer, or Black conservative that publicly denies the issues that Black people face, success isn't easy if you're Black, but definitely still possible.
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A violent public disorder
The right to protest should be scrupulously honored but protest does not include violence. And I can't imagine a jurisdiction that would not have criminal laws that prohibit the kind of conduct we are now witnessing. The problem is that liberal mayors in these cities are adopting a hands-off approach that has given the green light to people who want to break the law. The left has gone absolutely mad!
Agreed, for the most part. Technically protest do include riots, but the amendment specifies peaceful protests. While riots are protests, they're not the type of protests that are protected by that amendment. But I'm just being tecagree. And pedantic because I'm sure you agree, lol.
while i agree with you.. The riots have directly resulted in the deaths of 33 people.. How many more need to die before it stops? Where im from.. the midwest. Riots are not happening. there is a reason for that. There are more guns than people in my state, The laws that govern my state specifically say that you can defend your business, and your home and your property with lethal force. Meaning if they did that here, there would be mass deaths.. For example, BLM did do a march down main street in my town. It was peaceful. But the organizer of the protest as politely informed that if they started any violence, the police would not stop the towns folk from stoping it and no one would be charged for defending their homes and property. So we had a single march, and they never returned, because every single observer was armed to the teeth.. Places like Wisconsin, Oregon, and the like dont permit their citizens to protect their homes, so the violence, the rioting will never end..
It’s not a “riot“ to fight for your dignity and freedom. When you have been peacefully protesting for years and no one listens. There’s a context to everything. How do you think Americans was created in the first place. Do you think Britain packed everyone a lunch gave them a good bye kiss and sent them on their way. Sane people don’t _want_ violence. Question is How do you change the world when no one listens unless there is unrest. Maybe a mass strike if we had enough agricultural power to survive for a year and shot everything g down, but then there is rent and medical care and children’s education. Those things can’t be ignored.
So how can voices be heard. No one wants unrest - well no sane Person does. I do think some people enjoy it as we are seeing with the malaria groups playing Men children playing at Rambo ~~How do we do it. Of itself left to other people to deal with Burden of change, how can we complain. ethically and practically.
It is a riot when people are murdered, and the city is set on fire.. Its the literal definition of a riot.. What the founders of our nation did, did not harm the nation, they harmed a foreign nation. Last i checked we are not a foreign nation, So its a false equivalence here. They are not one in the same. Nor did the founding fathers harm local businesses, nor did they harm innocent people, nor did they burn cities. they dumped some Tea in the ocean..
Definition of riot (Entry 1 of 2)1a : a violent public disorder specifically : a tumultuous disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons assembled together and acting with a common intentb : public violence, tumult, or disorder
Portesting, and voting. That is how you do it. If you dont like things vote people in that will change things.. that is the right way.. Not murdering innocents, Not burning cities. Im sorry I have family in portland. They lost their home, and business.. were they here, it simply would not have happened.
Who's the evil?
If you want to "fight" then fight against the oppressors who are committing the violence, not random innocents that had nothing to do with it
@mistixs While we disagree a lot you and i, I fully agree with you here
wow that made no sense
@worldscolide I'm still totally baffled at the fact that in 2020, "there's never an excuse to hurt innocent people" is a controversial opinion.
@mistixs same here. But tell that to those that killed 33 innocent people and counting so far.. or the MILLIONS of dollars in damage to private businesses or the Tens of millions of dollars done to government property.. People that chose the path of violence against their own people have become the oppressors.
I mean, if police officers ARE going around hurting and killing innocent people and peaceful protesters all the time, then there is no shortage of guilty police officers to unleash your rage onto. So there is no excuse to harm anyone who is innocent.
@worldscolide absolutely wrong. When America revolted against the British, they weren't america yet they were British, part of that single empire. So it wasn't action against a foreign nation, it was action against the nation they were currently a part of, because they were given no representation and no rights.
@Godofmyownwurld of all of the arguments you could have against me you chose that one? My point still stands, when we revolted, we did not harm innocent civilians nor did we destroy businesses owned by civilians. So your argument is completely irrelevant.
@worldscolide well of all the arguments you made, that one was historically incorrect. But now that you mention it, you really believe we didn't destroy British businesses or have any innocents caught in the crossfire during the American revolution? You literally mentioned the boston tea party, what is that if not destruction of property? Try not to whitewash history or directly contradict yourself in future ok?
@Godofmyownwurld unlike you, i made an extensive study of the revolutionary war.. It was part of my thesis study in college. Great care was taken to avoid destroying civilian properties, and to not harm innocents.. That is the difference between the riots and the revolutionary war.. Additionally the colonies were united against the brits.. BLM on the other hand is burning properties on purpose, burning homes, businesses vehicles. They killed 33 people.. ON PURPOSE. None of these items are accidents. Not only that when they aren't destroying they are looting and stealing everything that is not bolted down.. None of which the revolutionaries did.. Im not white washing anything..
@worldscolide en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnadenhutten_massacreLiterally 5 minutes on google was all it took to find a gruesome example of collateral damage.
The reason that the revolutionaries did their best to avoid damaging properties, is because they knew the brits would do the opposite.
@worldscolide sorry, war crimes, "collateral damage" doesn't do it justice
@Godofmyownwurld every researcher knows that Wikipedia is not a valid source.. and i do know about that one.. they were allies of the British.. That made them enemies.. end of story. Was it the correct action, Likely not, But they were British allied..
@worldscolide so thats why roosevelt was totally ok with it in retrospect and didn't call it on stain on our American history? Oh wait he did. Funny right?🙄Wikipedia has plenty of good information. And it cites its references. Quit squirming and just accept that you were wrong dude. You're making an ass of yourself
I wonder what David Dorn’s family would say about “ Fighting for freedom is not a crime” after their dad was murdered in cold blood trying to defend his property from BLM looters. BLM was oxymoron in that situation. I doubt most BLM protestors even know who David Dorn is.
@worldscolide can you say which state has laws that allow you to use DEADLY force, to protect property? I don't know of any, and I live in the Midwest, as well!
@VIVANT My dear friend, Ghandi stood up against the British Empire, and his cause was NON-VIOLENCE!! It worked, OBVIOUSLY, as India is an independent nation!! Peaceful protest, working strikes, so many things CAN work, but they take time!Looting and burning the businesses of little "Mom and Pop" stores DOES NOTHING to engage support to a cause!! It simply infuriates others, and ads fuel to a fire that should NEVER have been started!!Violence, looting, and rioting, hurting people, destroying businesses, killing police will only MAKE IT WORSE!! TRUMP will send in Military, and declare Martial Law, because he thinks he can!! Who wants that?
My state has both stand your ground laws as well as castle laws. If someone breaks into my home I can use deadly force.. If someone sets foot on my property they get a single warning before its legal for me to shoot, look into it sometime, if your state has stand your ground, you're not obligated to run away, if your state has castle law, depending on how its worded, you can use deadly force to protect your home and property.. And sir, I will not do my self.. Nice try.
Dox... Damn autocorrect. I will not Dox my self.
So you don't have your freedom?
@worldscolide Ever killed someone before? I haven't, and NEVER, EVER WANT TO HAVE TO!! I know a lot of guys that did, in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and it HAUNTS THEM!! They have serious PTSD!!!You talk a big game, about defense, and shooting someone, but studies have shown that most fumble and FAIL, when they are in that situation.It's all fine, and good, and wanting to defend your palace, but when it comes down to it, taking anther life is something else, and not to be TRIVIALIZED by posturing, and chest-thumping!!A REAL man, makes an effort to defuse the situation, to use NON-LETHAL force, whenever possible, and to only shoot, USING LETHAL FORCE, when ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY! The same is expected of the Police. . .
No I have not killed, but I have severely injured someone that tried to break into my home, I shot him in the nuts (not joking and I felt like shit after).. He ignored my command to leave, he pulled a knife on me, I could have killed him, but I did not.. So no I'm not all talk.. I'm just a shitty shot.
That's a Guy Fawkes mask. It's symbolic for violent revolution.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_maskhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
@MCheetah Oh, okay. I'm curious, was that movie based on him then or is the similarity in masks just a consequence?
The movie is fictional (although ironically mirrors the real world UK right now despite coming out in 2007). It's based on a graphic novel by Alan Moore. The character V is paying homage to Guy Fawkes and the masks have been used in real life as a sign of protest/rebellion/revolution for a long time now, kind of like how Che Guevara has been.
@MCheetah Okay. I really appreciate you explaining that all to me, you're quite the fountain of knowledge lol. Thank you :)
I hate to be sexist but I find that women are generally more impressionable than men when it comes to leftist politics. It’s really irritating.
@bluetoblack99 NOT me and my girlfriends we are more right wing than most
Good. I care more if someone can think critically no matter if it’s right or left wing. But let’s face it. The left is and has been the mob mentality for years.
1) the "riot is a voice of the unheard" quote is taken out of context from a longer speech that condemns both riots AND the systemic injustices that may contribute to it. It doesn't condone riots at all.2) if police are being violent to you, fight back against the police, not random innocent people.
1) don't agree w rioting but it happens for a reason2) yea agree 100%
I'm sure that's what the anarchists want.
@Jamie05rhs it's not, though. They only want lawlessness when it benefits them. Look at how they reacted to the couple who was standing outside guarding their house with guns and didn't even shoot.
They're gonna be fine there's this thing called insurance...
@DonCachondo 1) Not everyone has insurance.2) insurance doesn't always cover damage due to riots, and even if it did:3) workers will need to be reconstructing the property, in which case, social distancing is difficult & covid19 will be promoted;4) some people and their children will be forced to go without food or shelter until their property is reconstructed;5) you can't replace everything with money. Some things have sentimental value and can never be replaced.Target the oppressors, not innocent civilians
@mistixs Then they should've gotten insurance or better insurance. Whatever happened to good ol' conservative "personal accountability"
@DonCachondo 1) I'm left-leaning, not conservative.2) This is like someone saying "oh, a teenage girl got raped and got pregnant? Well she should have been on birth control."
@DonCachondo nevermind, I just checked your profile and it's pretty clear you're a troll who tries to rile people up. I don't want to waste my time so I'm just gonna block you now.
@DonCachondo And have your rates raised because of it too. Insurance companies are not going to take the fall. They are going to pass it down somehow or other.
@mistixs Excellent point.I was mostly just referring to anarchists specifically, in general. (Meaning I wasn't talking about BLM or Antifa.). Because anarchists seem to want to get rid of the State (government and police, etc.). They want vigilante justice and everyone fending for themselves.... Well, SOME anarchists, not all. There are different branches, of course. There are also the Utopian kind who want to get rid of government but they are peaceful people and they truly believe that everyone will still be able to get along (which is a bit naive, in my opinion.)
@mistixs Your first response to DonCachondo was 100% on point. Thank you for explaining that so we'll. I totally agree, and more people need to understand these points.
And @Daniela1982 You are right as well.
@mistixs After reading your other comments, I agree with them as well!
"well," not "we'll.". Gracious!
@mistixs not a troll but lol k
If it was any other day before the riots it'll be justified
@DonCachondo Ignorant as fuck statement.
@mistixs You are absolutely correct. These fools think that anyone who has a business is the "ruling elite". They have no fucking clue how hard it is to start and grow a small business.
@DonCachondo "Personal accountability"? So a small business owner is accountable because a group of IDIOTS randomly riot and burn his/her store down? Fuck you asshole.
@KrakenAttackin I agree with you.
@KrakenAttackin no. personal responsibility for taking out insurance. If they missed insurance or purchased a crappy one, that's their own fault. But hey I'm just mimicking the "Get a better job!" folks. I'm half kidding.
@DonCachondo Get a job has validity. It's your fault some rioting trust fund faggot burned down your store is idiotic.
@KrakenAttackin INSURANCE BRUH
All the idiots in the comments "but dey have insurance"You wouldn't be saying that if your business gets destroyed. Rioters are losers of society that never made anything for themselvesLow life scum that never accomplished anything so they burn down others accomplishments
Also, insurance has restrictions. Some insurance will cover things like if a car drives through a wall, but can't cover the literal entire destruction of the entire building.
And what’s sad is that the people who are complaining about the violence are also being violent themselves. This is why I don’t vote in elections. What comes out of my dog’s butt after he drinks mag citrate is worth more than the names on the ballot.
@Yads_Is_Back Couldn't agree more. God bless the rational Zoomers.
"That is human nature." Most people (including most black people) have never rioted so it can't be THAT significant to human nature
So you are saying it is OK for 10% of the population to force their views on the rest?
@zagor that's exactly what he's saying, although it's even less than 10%
@mistixs Most people live entitled lives. Progress has come a long way, some of it due to protests and riots.
@gemgemL @zagoro @mistixs Ok look, America is entirely fucked up and I think the American people are absolutely retarded. I'm sure the question here was about America specifically but I didn't take it as such, you entitled small minded assholes did. My dictatorship run country was over thrown due to protest and riots, including taking down statues and destroying government buildings. Sorry your dumbass people are killing eachother in the streets and stealing from mom and pop shops. You aren't a very educated population. But if it weren't for riots and protest, I'd probably still live in a dictatorship. And so would you.
@zagor I'd like to remind you that only 20% of the population voted for Trump.
And whether you like it or not, the reality is MUCH less than 10% of the population controls your life.
Nice. Let's make this kitty a meme
If the USA gets a bloody revolution and China invades promising “free” education, healthcare and “equal rights” in exchange for forfeiting the bill of rights (freedom of religion, expression, right to own a firearm) I wonder what side the left will take? Hmm? Yeah let’s forfeit our freedoms in exchange for communism. It’s not like it costed tens of millions of lives in the Soviet Union, communist China, Cuba and North Korea or anything. They have such a “higher standard” of life.
@bluetoblack99 ohhh shut up with this whole left and right shit man. Fuck sakes your being played as a fool and Americans there stupid SUPPORT DEMOCRATS! SUPPORT REPUBLICANS! Y’all think politicians care about you when they spend more wars killing innocent people in the Middle East? Wonder how you would like if Canada decided to invade your state and call it Canadaville killing people in your neighbourhood, would that be cool with you? Now think of over 1 million Iraqis dead at the hands of the US back in the early 2000s, oh the pay back is coming. Trump wasn’t wrong either, Obama and Clinton funds ISIS but you know what, trump funds them as well. You can curse me out but these are factual not made up stories.
We got communist libtards chanting “death to America” and killing innocent people in riots right now. Our fucking leftist media is doing all it can to push the self destructive democrat narrative. Nah I don’t think I will shut up nor will I hesitate to pull the trigger if one those ass clowns shows up on my property. Communism is has never worked but people are too stupid to study history. If you think the Iraq War was bad just read a few history book chapters about the Stalin purges. We did NOT kill “millions” of Iraqis. But Stalin killed millions of his own people who “weren’t with the revolution”.
@bluetoblack99 what was the United States founded on? Bloodshed, slavery and war. I don’t play the game of taking sides of Democrats and republicans... there all Zionist supporting liars.
As a Nihlist myself, I would never do the things that those people are doing.
great body but trash opinion
It's likely a guy catfishing and also nice Naruto reference in your pfp
Everyone deserves first amendment rights, even morons and radical-left-wing racists.
I wonder if Don realizes how off-putting he is to women
Reading comments here, and other places, and it seems a "Norm" now, the "The Government" just "ALLOWS" us, THE PEOPLE, to do this, or that!! WTF?Where did all of this "ALLOWED" SHIT come from? WE THE PEOPLE, ELECT THE GOVERNMENT, and THEY SERVE US, AT OUR WILL!!! WHO THE FCK ARE THEY, "ALLOWING" US, to do this or that, when WE THE PEOPLE DISAGREE?Read the Declaration, the Bill of Rights!! They are all about THE PEOPLE!!
Yeah because a Target is responsible for peaceful protesters getting killed. Fight against the oppressors, not random innocent people
@mistixs You don't seem to understand how it works. When a business suffers, the business has two options, side with the oppressors or side with the oppressed (the people advocating for change). Business can apply far more economic leverage against the system than most of the little guys. So you make the status quo painful for business, in order to affect change.Remember this is only in the case where the normal redress of grievances is impossible.
Why is it impossible? Countless police officers are hurting and killing innocent black people and peaceful protesters, no? If that's the case, then there's no shortage of guilty police officers to target, instead of targeting innocent people.
@mistixs The redress of grievances doesn't mean shooting cops. It means creating a system where those cops would be arrested, tried and convicted for murder.By the way, this idea of attacking machinery / business to enacy governmental and societal change goes back to England during the 1800s. The UK passed a law saying that the breaking of such machinery by workers or public, was a crime punishable by death.it didn't stop the public though, and the law was repealed 2 years later.It's effective. Historically it always has been.
The police department is the one that is impacted if it loses a bunch of (abusive) cops due to retaliation by civilians. If it sees that civilians are no longer going to tolerate being abused by cops, and it affects THEM directly, they will be forced to change. Also, cops will be less likely to abusive if they see that civilians will fight back if they're abusive.Note that I'm only referring to fighting back against abusive cops. If you start fighting against innocent cops then that will just lead to a lot of innocent cops quitting so that we have nothing but abusive cops. If the movement is true, then there's no shortage of abusive cops to protect yourselves against.Also, burning down police stations is counterproductive to justice because it destroys evidence so that lots of murder and rape victims will not receive justice.
@mistixs So you just ignored everything I pointed out. Guilty cops can't be identified by sight, especially when they wear uniforms, masks, riot gear.You're obviously not interested in listening to the facts. You have your opinion, but it's wrong.
Protests aren't riots. If I understand you correctly, you say riots are wrong and (peaceful) protests are acceptable. So it seems as though your answer should be no.
yep I suppose so
Do you listen to Ben Shapiro often?
@bluetoblack99 sure he talks funny
listen to him beyond 5 minutes? You ever listened to one of his podcasts all the way through?
@bluetoblack99 Nope. Watched this interview im talking about till end though
You should listen to just one of his podcasts all the way through. They are free. If you hear him out I will listen to something you recommend.
If that were a true reason, then I should have spent 8 years rioting with obama.
Yeah. Fuck shit up of normal people who just try to live day by day. That will show the government and totally help you have support for your cause. Lol
@FakeName123 I mean if you look through history, riots have been proven to be an effective method of protest. The people demand change, and if those in power refuse to give it, then it shall be taken by force. The United States is literally founded on war and riots. Sometimes violence is the answer.
Protesting against government =/= destroying peoples individual property. One is an effective method of protest. The other is moronic and will ensure your protests will not get much support.
@FakeName123 The Boston Tea Party was a major event in American History, that involved the destruction of property to protest the government. They dumped 92,000 lbs of tea into the harbor. It’d be worth about a $1,000,000 today. That’s just one out of MANY examples.
@Cherokeehp Right, and full metal jacket rounds are great for fucking rioters up. Have your riot, I have my FMJ rounds.
Your right Cherokee... Riots are an option when all other options have failed... we still have a large portion of the population that think change can happen. This rioting is ending business mostly black businesses which the rioting is supposed to be defending black freedom. The country is split 50/50... I wouldn’t even say 50/50 prob 30/70. Trump is the President and these riots will not be allowed another 3 months... that means military and American citizens will eventually get involved and crush this movement with force if necessary... and these people can’t complain. They have 3 options peaceful protest within the law safely, riot and break the law and be willing to die for your cause, or go home and not take part... you choose to riot and come to my home I will kill you. What do you accomplish? It’s months before the election imagine if they stopped rioting and stood before the Whitehorse in protest for those 3 months... Trump would be forced to make major changes or rush losing the presidency... this is THE time to get what they want but they choose to riot...
@VanillaSalt Yes, I am all for stacking #BLM like cord wood.
I don’t want too... I don’t wanna hurt anyone... I’m nit racist... but I will NOT be pushed by a minority movement to take what’s mine...
@KrakenAttackin I simply answered the question
@VanillaSalt ok... I’m not sure why all that was necessary
The Boston Tea Party only destroyed the property of a guilty pseudogovernment agency, not civilians. And they ensured the safety of the people on the ship. The only destruction of property besides the tea was a padlock which the protesters replaced the next day.
@Massageman Exactly. This is the difference between Americans and savages who live in the U. S.
@mistixs I think the protests and riots happening nowadays could be executed better. But the message I was simply trying to convey is that riots are intended to be unwanted. They create change by making other people uncomfortable, and they can be effective.
@Cherokeehp If that's the case and you believe your own logic, than every far-left liberal in American should be hunted down and k*lled then, since conservatives are the ones who usually have military experience, own guns, support the second amendment, and outnumber liberals in America (excluding teens and minors). If you were to support riots and think they were okay, then radical liberals would be completely decimated under that same logic. Which is also why they complained about Mark and Patricia McCloskey putting guns against violent protesters outside their own house, and complained about Kyle Rittenhouse shooting about a bunch of human trash who happened to support BLM.So in short, your own argument definitely would not benefit your side.
Protests cause people to be bothered riots are killing people and the country. If you choose to riot and I find you I will kill you. Your a traitor and dangerous to my life and property. I will not sit here and let you do what you want to me and mine. Now maybe your riots have the effect you want but I promise it’s gonna come at the cost of your life.
@VanillaSalt once again I’m not really sure why any of this comment is necessary. I literally just explained the point of a riot.
You missed the party where is a last resort... it was only around 100 years so we ended slavery and outlawed racism... it talks more than a generation or two to end it completely... these people have it better than anywhere else in the world... ANYWHERE... racism should be a last resort not a shock an awe campaign
Rioting not racism
@VanillaSalt Outlawed racism? Racism is still very much prevalent.
So is Murder... wanna argue that one?
@VanillaSalt Murder is illegal. Hate crimes are illegal. But racism itself is not illegal/outlawed.
It is indirectly... the constitution makes it illegal.
@VanillaSalt lol indirectly doesn’t count for shit. It’s still legal for people to be racist. Donald Trump is blatantly racist and he’s the president.
I was wrong let me actual answer that... being racist isn’t illegal nor should it be... people have the right to believe like want... as long as they don’t act on it idc... the acting on it it’s illegal. Ideas don’t disappear just cause you don’t like them or fight them...
@VanillaSalt "Rioting not racism", WTF are you talking about?
I'm OK with protest, but riots are unacceptable.
Whats sad is the riots in democrat cities are turning people away from the DNC in droves. These riots are solving nothing, they are hurting their cause..