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Also, if it was representative of Islam, surely we’d see far, far more violence from Muslims instead of only a couple percent more crime rates. More importantly, that crime rate would decrease with changes in religiosity. Here in the Netherlands, religiosity goes up, crime rates go down. That suggests that there is something else that causes violent behaviour, such as e. g. poverty. And indeed, poverty and alike is far more linked to crime. Furthermore, it is argued that Boko Haram (Nigerian branch of ISIS) and others in Mali can still exist simply because there are big structural issues related to development in those places
You do realize Isis follow the teachings of the Quran most thoroughly.
As I implicitly mentioned, I’m not particularly interested in the opinions of people who likely just “do some research on the internet” in determining whether an entire religion of 1.6 billion people inherently aligns with a terrorist entity in views. Clearly, a lot of Muslims reject it. So if you can cite some Islamic scholars or a consensus among Muslims (who by the way tend to overwhelmingly reject ISIS) that prove ISIS aligns with the Quran the most, that’d be something interesting.
Killing the non-believer and hypocrite is part of the Quran
The fuck it doesn't! -- It says EXPLICITLY: KILL NON-BELIEVERS & INFIDELS. Muslims are not all dangerous, but Islam certainly is. It is the most expressly violent of all the monotheist religions -- statistically the source of the most religious inspired terrorism, and look at the level of violence in the countries where it has corrupted & infiltrated governments. It doesn't mix well with others, is not inclusive, is not flexible nor encourage tolerance, and as a result of its own actions - not doing itself any favors.These are facts. You can apologize for it, and make excuses for it, but it doesn't change the facts.
@Tamera952 that’s not true at all and I don’t know where you get your resources from... but God bless you still and may Allah guide you to the straight path like he did with me. I once hated Islam too. Because of the media. Til I dug a little deeper, made Islamic friends, and read the original Quran.
@Tamera952 it says to not treat the non believers different because they are non believers. So do you mind telling me where in the Quran it says to kill all non believers and if that were the case, you’re clearly not a believer so how were you able to type that message? I’d like to know what verse in the Quran it says that.
Give me a break. Get real.
@Tamera952 you need to get real and stop promoting hate and spreading lies towards God’s creation. He created you too and I’m sure you would not like for people to speak so negatively about your beliefs. Am I right? I’m asking you for real. Tell me where in the Quran it says it kill the non believers and infidels? I want all of it. Give me proof. 😉 cause it’s always the ones who don’t have enough knowledge to spread all of this hate. And can I ask you something serious? Do you believe in life after death or even God at all?
@Yes2fruits"No where In the Quran does it condone killing anyone."You either haven't spend time learning your own religion or you are plain lying here. Surah 9:5 alone abrogates over 100 more peaceful previous verses (mostly from the early Meccan period) thanks to the islamic practice of Naskh that is pretty much universally accepted by all scholars. To those who don't know what it means: If two verses contradict, the chronologically later verse overrides the previous ones. And since the Quran isn't ordered chronologically, Surah 9 is essentially the last Surah in the book with only 110 following afterwards that consists of exactly 3 sentences and is essentially a closing word.And inb4 Christianity also has violent texts. Yes, it does. But we don't see christian groups like ISIS, because it got reformed long ago.
Hello fake name123, what you wrote sounds like a bunch of non sense. and all I can say to is that not everyone is meant to believe and whoever does its out of their own will. Of course their will be demon possessed folks that will try to change my beliefs, the devil is always at play. If it was a law to kill the non believers than these people who are bashing people who believe in God wouldn’t be here today. It is the same God just with a different name, which is in Arabic. There is only ONE. And also, both heaven and hell exist for a reason... That is it. Have a great day
If I were to sit here and attack anyone for their beliefs I would honestly rather be dead lolol do you hate people for being a certain race too?
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."Sunnah 9, Verse 5, PIckthall translation which is widely regarded as the most accurate English translation since he for many years in the arabic region and converted to Islam made sure to try to translate it as accurately as possible.
And before you argue about "but if they repent". That means either converting or mpaying the Jizya which is explained a couple of verses later in 9:29:"Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."That's essentially paying protection money to a group of mobsters.
Lol yeah okay buddy. They make fake versions of Quran too. Just live your life to its fullest.. I said what I said. You have your free will to think what you want. Hopefully you’ll be lucky enough to get your hands on a real Quran and that depends on the purity of your heart. Spread love and learn to love the people around you despite the color of the skin or what they believe in.
The English translation is of Marmaduke Pickthall who himself converted to Sunni Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Pickthall"His translation of the Qur'an is one of the most widely known and used in the English-speaking world. A convert from Christianity, Pickthall was a novelist, esteemed by D. H. Lawrence, H. G. Wells, and E. M. Forster, as well as a journalist, headmaster, and political and religious leader. He declared his conversion to Islam in dramatic fashion after delivering a talk on 'Islam and Progress' on 29 November 1917, to the Muslim Literary Society in Notting Hill, West London."Clearly a fake Quran. So fake that the common translation websites such as Corpus-Quran. com, Al-Quran. info, Quranwow. com and Clearquran. com all have his translation listed.
Or in short. You are deceptive as hell. Liar !
Of course they are going to have that listed on the internet, it doesn’t mean that it’s accurate. I’ve went to a masjid and got the Quran for myself I didn't rely solely on the internet for my sources. If you turn on the news and they talking about what the religion is about or “VIOLENCE” my suggest to you is to dig a little deeper since you’re so interested in it. Whatever your belief is, God loves you. And it’s perfectly okay to believe in him or not. Just don’t try to change another beliefs, I wouldn’t do that to you and no offense but I don’t care to. I have my own life to live until my time here on earth is up. And my main goal is to live happily after death too. Blessings to you dear. Allah will not punish the one who was blind to the truth.
Hey I don’t blame you for what you think. The media is evil and wants everyone to be gay, to hate Muslims and to fight each other. We are living in a scary time right now with the BLM protesting and covid19. They want everyone to follow a new religion (the new age) and do you not see most people doing yoga or meditating or balancing out their chakras today? They are poisoning our food. just know they want us to open our third eye and all that stuff in support of the antichrist aka the Dajjal before his arrival. But like I said, You are entitled to your own beliefs. If you think I am a liar or deceiver all I can say is that time will speak for itself and life is temporary. We take it for granted everyday.
If you got the "original" Quran - then how about this. Take it out, open up 9:5 and translate it yourself here from the original arabic version.
I’m not going to go out of my way to do that to prove anything. Like I said, I do not care to change your mind. And you can have your beliefs and I can have mine. by the way I don’t know Arabic, my Quran is already translated into English. Thank you. Have a nice life.
So you aren't even able to speak arabic, but accuse others of not being able to truly understand the original Quran? Talk about double-standards. What a loser you are.
I’m not saying you’re not able to truly understand it, what I’m saying is that wherever you’re getting your info from is false. Do you not have anything better to do but piss people off? Leave me alone already damn 😂
there’s so much other things going on in life than to focus on your hatred towards Muslims. It’s 4 am here In New York I haven’t slept yet and I’m tired and this is so tiring. But you don’t realize how you look right now with your negative remarks. There’s people of different ethnic groups who believe in Allah are you that angry that I believe in him? Please get a life. Contradicting yourself by calling me a loser, go take a look in the mirror.
And since you are a scholar you are perfectly able to judge which translations are adequate and which aren't? Do you even realise what kind of nonsense you are spouting? I've proven you multiple times that the Pickthall translation is one of the best, because when I read the Quran I wanted to make sure to get the most accurate translation and spent time figuring out which one is the best one to use in order to understand it.Yet, all you can say is "hurr durr your translation is false and mine is good, because reasons". Yeah, what are those reasons? You aren't a scholar, you aren't a native arabic speaker. So what kind of measurement do you use to judge which translations are false and which are good? Because clearly you don't have any and just say the ones people use that you disagree with are false, because it doesn't suit your ideological peanutbrain.
I’m not a scholar brother. I said few things because those are my beliefs. You are obviously really miserable and lonely. You really hate Muslims and want everyone to be against them. So by all means, bother someone else. How many times does one need to tell you to leave them alone? Blocked* hope you find some friends to chat with but by the looks of it I don’t see how anyone would want to be around such a hateful person like you.
You’re trying too hard to sound smart but everything you’re saying sounds like gibberish itself. I’m not God and neither are you. What are you trying to get out of this? You want me to tell you that you’re right? Here’s what I’m gonna tell you. You’ll be dead someday just like me and everyone else. You’re not God. Humble yourself. Such a turn off to be around a smart ass. I know why you’re on here, you literally got nothing better else to do. Wanna know something else too? I’m not a perfect human nor a perfect Muslim nor do I pray 5 times a day. But do I believe Allah is God? Yes. I do. And so what? What’s it to you? So whattt. You don’t have no friends or a job? No wife or kids? How old are you. What are you doing with your time and your life. Let’s talk about that.
Do you hate God? Do you hate your looks or your race? Cause I don’t base my life on religion. I said what I said cause that’s MY opinion. I told you that you’re entitled to yours. I told you already to leave me alone... I told you I don’t care to change your mind. So what are you trying to do? Change mine? I really don’t get it. Why are you so triggered? You need some asssss. Go get some, cause I don’t wanna talk to you. At this point, I’ll just be rude. I told you already there’s absolutely nothing you can say that will change my mind on what I believe. So why are you stillllll trying? LMAO. Go away. 😂 most likely you’re a zionest jew. It’s normal if you’re one of those to not like Muslims, stay that way for all I care. But just know there’s a whole lot of people from different races who are converts like me who believe 😌 get over yourself.
You’re just upset you don’t feel blessed by God? I bet you don’t believe in him. You probably don’t believe in heaven or hell. Why don’t you go see if it’s real and let me know? I wouldn’t try that personally because I believe that it exists and once you die there’s no coming back. But you’ll probably argue with me on that one too. And say you’ll be reincarnated. Enough about me, tell me more about you and your sad ass life
I was born blessed, with beauty and riches. So yeah I thank Allah for it. Even though these materialistic things do not fill my soul, and so I went searching for a purpose. You mad? What you got going on in your life? Who do you thank for your blessings and just how much are you blessed with? Who do you pray to when it comes to what you want? Or do you just get used to not having it your way. Huh. Well I gotta say, for a MAN who likes to argue, you have a feminine attitude and a hateful nasty heart. Get that fixed. On that note, let me see how you look too
What I want to do? I am pointing out that the Quran does condone killing - which you said it doesn't. Thus you are full of sht. And since you don't trust the Pickthall translation I gave you, here are some other common English translations of the verse 9:5 including an explanation of who translated it. Chances are your Quran was translated by one of them:Ahmed Ali (Pakistani Scholar): But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over, slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place. But if they repent and fulfil their devotional obligations and pay the zakat, then let them go their way, for God is forgiving and kind.Ahmed Raza Khan (Persian Scholar): Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the polytheists wherever you find them, and catch them and make them captive, and wait in ambush for them at every place; then if they repent and keep the prayer established and pay the charity, leave their way free; indeed Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful.Arthur John Arberry (British Scholar of arabic, persian and islam): Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.Abdul Majid Daryabadi (Indian Muslim): When, therefore, the sacred months have slipped away, slay the associators's wheresoever ye find them and capture them and beset them and lie in wait for them at every ambush. Then, should they repent and establish prayer and give the poor-rate, leave their way free. Verily Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din al-Hilali & Muhammad Muhsin Khan (Moroccon Salafi Scholar and known Afghanish translator into English texts): Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V. 2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Dr. Mustafa Khattab (Canadian-Egyptian known for his arabic translations especially of quranic ones) : But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.Abul A'la Maududi (Important Pakistani islamic scholar. So important that his absentee funeral was observed in the Kaaba which was only the second person ever getting that privilege): But when the sacred months expire slay those who associate others with Allah in His Divinity wherever you find them; seize them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them. But if they repent and establish the Prayer and pay Zakah, leave them alone. Surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful.Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri (Indian muslim writer who spend severaly ears learning at the islamic university of Madinah: So when the Sacred Months have passed, then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform the Salah, and give the Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Muhammad Asad (Austrian born, converted islamic scholar and seen as one of the most influential european Muslims): And so, when the sacred months are over, slay those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place! Yet if they repent, and take to prayer, and render the purifying dues, let them go their way: for, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace.Sayyid ‘Alī Qulī Qarā’ī (Islamic Scholar): Then, when the sacred months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush. But if they repent, and maintain the prayer and give the zakat, then let them alone. Indeed Allah is all-forgiving, all-merciful.Saheeh International (One of the most widely used English translations owned and ran by the Saudi-Arabian publishing house dar Abul Qasim): And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.Shaykh Muhammad Sarwar (an actual Sheikh and an islamic scholar): When the sacred months are over, slay the pagans wherever you find them. Capture, besiege, and ambush them. If they repent, perform prayers and pay the religious tax, set them free. God is All-forgiving and All-merciful.
With your fake ass Wikipedia google source information you think you know all the answers😂😂🤣 you're probably the one who created those sites. Why would a religion exist where it’s about killing people? Are you kidding me? If that were the case why are there so many converts of different races? You’ve never opened up a Quran. Cause if you did, you wouldn’t be saying all these things and you wouldn’t be so close minded and have such a disgusting soul
Wahiduddin Khan (Indian Islamic scholar): When the forbidden months have passed, kill the polytheists [who are at war with you] wherever you find them. Take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and take to prayer regularly and pay the alms, then let them go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.Yusuf Ali (British born islamic scholar): But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
But I am sure you know better than all these experts and scholars having translated it to "slay" or "kill". So keep telling others that the Quran does not condone killing anyone. And lying to everyone reading it. You Liar !
The only one lying here is you. I’ve got no reason to lie. But you do, since you hate Muslims Stay mad
Your holy book that is said to be perfect is saying to kill people. I just proven it to you multiple times by quoting different translations just to make sure that the translation isn't wrong. Every single translation talks about slaying/killing. Every single one.
So let me see the proof. Send me photos of where in the Quran it says that.
And I don’t mean the websites and the internet that just anyone can write. I mean the actual book itself
And I mean the ORIGINAL cause islamopobes are creating their own versions of the Quran that promote killing and slaying like you’re talking about right now. Those your brothers?
They are literally doing anything it takes to turn people against Muslims and wipe the religion off the face of earth. That’s your tribe don’t know what you’re doing here, go find them!! Lol
Pack up your tinfoil head. All you need to do is take out your translated copy of it, look who translated it AND compare the Surah and Verse. You are just looking for excuses to face this truth. You said you have an original Quran? Take it out, look into who translated it and look up the Surah and Verse. Takes you 2 minutes of time maximum.
You are a devil in disguise and this is my last time responding to you😂 get some help
So you are afraid of taking out your own Quran to check out, if I am right or wrong? Because I certainly will not waste my hard-earned money on it. But you do own a Quranic translation. And you can easily prove me right or wrong by opening it up.Are you afraid of doing so? Are you afraid your belief is too weak to handle it?
I didn’t have to spend a dollar for it. The Muslims at the masjid gave it to me for free and welcomed me with open arms as if they birthed me. Can you go away now? No matter what I say you’ll just get pissed and be like NOOO!!!
Listen buddy. I used to suffer from witchcraft pretty bad. And believing in Allah helped me immensely. I told you I got my reasons to believe. Please go away.
Are you afraid of checking up your own Quran to see, if what I am saying is correct or if the translations I've used are untrue? Why are you afraid, if your belief is so strong? Nothing to be afraid then? So why do you not open up your Quran and look up 9:5?
I’m not afraid of anything I just think you’re doing the most right now and making a fool out of yourself so keep doing it 😂
I know that they’re not true but I told you I’m not going to sit here and try to prove it cause I don’t have to I kind of would rather you stay where you are in your beliefs tbh I told you already if you hate muslims then keep it that way it’s not my problem lol
I’m not here to try and convert you. if that’s your calling and it’s meant to be than it’ll happen but not through me and after your rude ass manners even though I tried my best to be kind to you. I’m good on that.
Yet you keep replying to me. All the effort you use to reply to me you could have used to open up your own Quran and compare what I said is true or not about 9:5. Two minutes of effort. So you clearly are afraid of doing that. Why? What are you afraid of?
😂😂😂😂😂 I’m not gonna repeat myself I’m just laughing my ass off at this point now. Ah I’m sorry if I was rude earlier you kinda pissed me off but have a great day I slept for an hour and have to go about my business now,
So you really are afraid of just taking out your own Quran to check, if I am correct or not. The plain image of what I say being correct making you so anxious that you are incapable of spending two minutes to double check on what I am saying. Coward !
I told you I’m not going to write out any verse from the Quran to prove that you’re wrong you feel the way you do simply cause you’re meant to. I was told not to change the mind of an unbeliever cause no matted what they will not change their mind. What can I say? No one converted me to Islam. I was in a really hopeless time in my life and had no one and somehow Allah guided me through himself. And I really took my time into getting to learn it. Watch mufti menk on YouTube and go see what he talks about. Search Dajjal 2020 on TY
No one can change the mind of an unbeliever it depends on the purity of their heart and if Allah wants that for them
I learned that when people are facing a lot of tragedy in their life, and dark times it is because God really loves that person and just wants that person close to them. And he will save them from the tricks of satan. If only you knew me and my life, you would definitely understand. I don’t want to put my business out there. But yeah. I’m not a perfect Muslim. I lose my faith sometimes too. But I do know for sure, God is real. And Jesus is real and he’s coming soon and muslims believe that Jesus is God’s messenger (a prophet), not his son.
What’s your issue with Islam? Are you Jewish?
ISIS is just a manifestation of that flaw
Not really accurate. There is nothing in the christian texts that justifies what is being done. On the other hand ISIS can very well be justified through several parts within the islamic texts. From owning sex slaves to conquering and killing non-believers it is all justifiable within the texts.
And it wouldn’t be fair to blame all Muslims because of a small terroristic group.
Thankfully, ISIS has been mostly destroyed anymore
They follow teachings directly from the Quran. They are islam’s most faithful followers.
Well, maybe right. I haven’t read the Quran tbh
Yes they are
I didn't know that all evangelicals spoke for ALL Christians?
Evangelicals are nice people
They help the poor people
@asshole_ I don't they did anything like 9/11. So yes!
@postaldudePL123 They beheaded nobody also
you two dont know your christian history. and im not gonna listen to two uneducated bozos
Well mr. asshole.
go look up your history on Christianity especially evangelicalism
I think I did enough.