Cuomo downplayed the virus too. He should be blamed for all of the deaths in New York.
200,000? Try 9000 you sheep. Pay attention to real life and turn off MSM
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Actually all those things matter... a lot. It's called... wait for it... SCIENCE, which I know Trump has made you guys allergic to, or has labeled as worthless cause their guidance has evolved as they've learned more. And no, every country has not followed the same pattern more or less. Most have been very strict for a couple of months with everyone cooperating and not pissing and moaning about their constitutional rights while being cheered on by the president, and then those countries have been able to return to some semblance of normalcy, while we are still dicking around with it after 7 months. But when you've got Trump's dick so far down your throat you can barely breathe and have to keep revising the spin every time yet another damaging revelation about him is made public... I mean everything you've said is bullshit. We both know that but given what you have to work with, it's an admirable attempt at deflection and spin. Good work, comrade.
@jakerson181 oh, lord here we go... Moron, the infection levels have followed the same pattern. For temperate/cooler climate countries, a huge spike at first, then a lowering. For warmer countries a more gradual uptick then a plateau, then going back down. All lockdowns did was delay the spike. The spike still happened.Even Sweden, who didn’t lock down... and are now to minimal cases.It’s called... wait for it... SCIENCE.
No... lockdowns allowed countries to isolate those with the virus so they could recover while preventing additonal people from getting infected by community spread thus dramatically lowering the number of people in the general population who had it. And Italy and Spain were more temperate/cooler climates? Sure hoss, whatever you say. And of course the "Sweden" reference, referred to as a benchmark by you guys more than all 195 other countries combined. Anyone who says the lockdown or wearing a mask doesn't matter is either too stupid to actually understand the science or just completely full of shit. But I don't want to sell you short. You're probably both. Moron.
@jakerson181 Italy/Spain are cooler/more temperate than S American countries.. yes. Oh, 195 countries following the same bad data to implement bad policy means nothing.The virus followed the same pattern regardless of whether there were lockdowns or masks.
And did no one teach you correlation does not imply causation?
Except for other countries, their "spikes" were a few thousand a week. Ours are 50,000+ a day. So just slightly different. Trump gleefully threw shit at New Zealand when they had a breif resurgence a few weeks ago. Of course their resurgence was 10 or 12 cases nationwide. Look, no amount of your dancing around can hide the fact that we have 4% of the world's population and 22-23% of the worldwide total of cases and deaths. So following the same pattern or not, clearly to have almost 6 times the infection and death rate than a proportionate amount of the worldwide cases and deaths would suggest, clearly says everyone else is doing something that we're not, but while you would never admit it, I'm sure you already know that.And in answer to your question, no, nobody has taught me anything. Everything I know is what I learn from Trumpsters on here.
@jakerson181 I wonder where you get your news? Joe Biden of course! Brainwashed to believe his BS
@jabbahut No, actually I get it from Dr, Fauci, Dr. Birx and other members of Trump's Coronavirus task force as well as leading medical experts at leading universities around the country. Do you think I'm being brainwashed to believe their BS?
@jakerson181 Can you say definitively that every country is counting the same way? You can’t. For example, only 6% of deaths in the US were purely ‘from Covid’. Are other countries testing with the same tests? You don’t know that, either. Because the NYT says our testing is way to sensitive and 90% of the positive tests are of people with so little of the virus they’re not contagious. Were you with Fauci when he said masks weren’t effective? Are you with the CDC when they say kids should be in school, and that we should stop testing asymptomatic people?
@joeldalton Either you are Covid-19 positive or not. You can't be kinda sorta positive but only a little bit. But if you can link that NYT article, I'd love to take a look at it. Fauci changed his recommendation as he gained more information 6 months ago. You guys think you can keep dragging that one out forever? And as far as the CDC is concerned, Trump has put so much pressure on them, they'd tell you anything he wanted them to say and in spite of that, it may warm your heart to know the CDC has already walked back that guidance. Honestly, you'll make excuses for anything he does. There is nothing he is at fault for. Nothing. It's what people like you do.www.nbcnews.com/.../cdc-director-walks-back-testing-guidance-does-not-alter-recommendations-n1238428
@jakerson181 lol, so you don’t believe the science from the CDC all of a sudden.And if a test is too sensitive it can pick up other corona viruses and come back positive. Lastly, if you have so little of the virus in your body that you are neither sick nor capable of transmitting to someone else - So fucking what?NY times article below. I even was nice and gave you an archive link so you wouldn’t have to sign inhttps://archive.is/duYZm
@joeldalton Cool. Valid opinion by this Dr. Mina and it sounds like one or two others quoted think his opinion has some merit. But it's just one person's opinion. It's not the definitive view of the medical community. Loads of other doctors have other opinions. If we based everything on one or two doctors who have gotten media attention we'd be following the demon sperm lady and taking Hydroxychloroquine and zinc. She's a doctor too, you know. So whatdya say we wait for a definitive consensus from the broader medical community before we reach any firm conclusions.And as far as the CDC is concerned, are you really going to tell me you're oblivious to the pressure Trump is putting on the CDC to bend to his will? Were you not able to understand and comprehend the dynamics of them making a recommendation for reduced testing of asymptomatic people because Trump pushed for it under the if we don't test, cases go down doctrine, getting widespread condemnation from the entire medical community and having to walk it back shortly thereafter? All of that happened "all of a sudden" which caused me to question their guidance "all oif a sudden". Make sense for you now?
@jakerson181 nope. You don’t get to pick and choose. You hung your hat on the CDC, so any time you question them, you’re no different from anyone who questions another one of their stances. CDC could have been pressured by bad science to do lockdowns as well. We’ve seen Fauci weasel out of condemning BLM protests as a cause of Covid while condemning people going to the beach. He’s a political tool. That’s not science.
@joeldalton I never "hung my hat" on the CDC. Don't you dare try to put words in my mouth or play those little pyschological games with me, you fucking idiot. People a lot smarter than you have tried with no success. You seem to feel comfortable continuing to revise the rules any time it suits you and then act like those rules have "always" been the rules. Sorry bud. You're not that smooth. Not falling for it.You're the last fucking person on Earth who should criticize anyone about not following the science. You started this by trying to bullshit people that lockdowns and masks have no effect. EVERY CREDIBLE medical expert has said that's bullshit. And questioning Fauci? Boy you got some pair of brass balls calling him a political tool. He's the one speaking truth to power, who won't let Trump bulldoze him. But keep bringing up what he said about masks six months ago as if any sane person would think that makes a fucking difference now. Man, your bullshit is going in so many different directions, it's hard to keep up. You're literally throwing every thing you can think of at the wall and seeing if any of it will stick. I thought you right wing propagandists were more talented and nuanced than that. You're very bad at your job, bro.
@jakerson181 boy you get angry when you get called out on your BS. Yes I’ll question Fauci and I will continue to do so. I’ll say it one more time... when confronted about BLM protests he refused to condemn them, then turns around and complains about people gathering at a beach. This is YOUR side’s political horseshit that you began. The second you stand by the statement that BLM protests haven’t increased covid cases you’ve lost any shred of credibility you hoped to have.NIH Study on effectiveness of masks on flu viruses. (PS, flu virus is bigger than covid).www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7181938/
@joeldalton You don't give a shit about science. You wanted Fauci to condemn the BLM protests because you detest BLM with every fiber of your being and he needed to feed your political agenda. Forget that he's one of the most respected experts in the world with a 40 year record of accomplishments at the highest level in his field and has faithfully served 6 different presidents of both parties. When he wouldn't do that for you, he was dead to you. Don't even try to deny it. And that by the way, is when people like you lose any shred of credibility you hoped to have when you talk about the science..
@jakerson181 No, I see the blatant hypocrisy of not having the balls to condemn the protests as events to spread the virus. Me disliking BLM is just icing on the cake. you just got done telling me this super-respected scientist is so weak that he’s now cowtowing to Trump.
@joeldalton "you just got done telling me this super-respected scientist is so weak that he’s now cowtowing to Trump."WTF are you talking about? You twist, distort and outright lie about what people said and you don't think anyone is going to notice? Who do you think is buying your bullshit? What a complete shitshow you are.
@jakerson181 joe here calmly uses facts to own the debate while you literally. have nothing to offer but ad hominem attacks. And you think HE is the one that won't be taken seriously? You're so triggered its hilarious. The NIH did release a study in 2015 (likely the one he showed you, but there are multiple older ones too) that prove that cloth masks do nothing vs viral and respiratory illnesses. You want to talk about respecting science? than refer to a study that isn't influenced by 2020 politics. I fucking DARE you to try. Even a 2019 one! Can you do it?
@TienShenhan You're so overwhelmed with your idiotic conspiracy theories, you long ago lost all touch with reality.. I'm not wasting any more time with you. Go fuck yourself.
We have the best levels of testing in the world!
Answer my question
Avoiding me again?
Good old Poe's law. But you forgot option 3 - he might genuinely be mentally retarded. No kidding.
What lie did he tell about the Covid-19(84) lambdemic?
@TienShenhan Trump admitted covid was deadly but said he wanted to downplay it. What rock have you been living under for the past few days?
No he said he wanted to encourage calmness. You know, like a leader? Just because you and your MSM think spreading fear is a virtue doesn't mean our leaders should play their fucking game. This virus was projected to kill millions in the US. It has killed 9000. The panic was not needed, and the shutdowns caused serious damage and helped nothing
@TienShenhan god, i can't believe you're stupid enough to believe his bullshit. he just didn't want the stock market to panic. Trump was worried about his political fortunes, not the country. he incites fear and panic when he feels it'll help him politically. he's incited fear over blm and antifa. The RNC convention was 4 days of fear mongering. Covid has killed about 190,000. Cut the bullshit.
He has not incited fear of antifa, he merely recognized their actions of terrorism and promised to handle them, something democrats refuse to do. Covid-19 has not killed 190,000, that is a lie. Refer to the CDC numbers, look up the cases of patients who died of covid-19 alone. When a 90 year old with pneomonia and heart disease inevitably dies, retards like you say "Covid-19 strikes again! Damn you Trump, you've killed yet another!" Grow a brain
@TienShenhan You clueless moron. trump knew covid was dangerous and he downplayed it for political purposes. not to stop a panic. no one in other countries who took it seriously panicked. that wasn't going to happen.How can anyone be stupid enough to believe trump's bullshit? How are you this stupid?
What bullshit specifically? He has followed advice of experts every step of the way, and in the time period you leftwing parrots are saying he downplayed the virus, the WHO had been telling us it doesn't readily transfer from human to human. You all keep saying listen to the experts, but the experts keep changing their minds. Who's fault is that? And by the way if Sars Cov2 even exists, it has proven to be less of a threat than the flu. It killing over 100,000 people is a fabrication