Why are people downvoting this? He has an opinion, its his right. You might not agree with it but he makes a few valid points. I can understand that there are extenuating circumstances that could lead to an abortion being required. Underage pregnancy for example. Contraception isn't 100% effective in almost all cases as a second. Even if you are careful and take due diligence against an unwanted pregnancy, it doesn't mean its not a possible outcome. In those situations then yes, it can be a justifiable course of action. It always comes down to a personal sense of morality. If a person can do this and accept it on their conscience or if they can't. Thats up to them to decide. But this guy here, the poster, said that he doesn't accept people who use the abortion option to avoid the responsibilities of being safe and protecting yourself. Its lazy and irresponsible, not only that but also on the health care services who have to now correct your act of sheer idleness in the face of the excessive amounts of options you have to avoid it. Anyone downvoting this is either butt hurt because its a guy saying it, or are guilty of it themselves.
Why did people upvote it?They have rights like people who downvote itLmao
Pigoat, how puerile of you. I ask a question and give my reasoning behind my confusion and you resort to petty mockery over your misunderstading and consequential misinterpretation of everything I wrote. I never said they didn't have the right to. I just asked why people are downvoting since his argument, albeit crude, was very much with the common consensus or reasoning behind getting an abortion. Seriously buddy, read, then think, and only then, if you think you have a valid point to contribute, then type.
I would suggest the down-voting is in view of the self-righteous black and white-ism.
Then what is the upvoting suggest Levin ?
@pigoat That there's similar minded people that agree with him? I'm just giving you what would have been my reasons for downvoting, if I had of done, which I didn't.
Could be wrong to you. But your opinion doesn't matter. People make their own choices. Doesn't change anything in your life. You going to go raise all these kids yourself? Nope, so ssshhh. It's like saying jerking off and cuming, is killing millions of babies. Not like they are pulling out a baby. The beginning it's not living baby yet. After a few weeks, yes can be a bad idea too late.
@Paul09 Right. SO the guy next door to you kills his wife and kids, but it doesn't affect your life, so just shut the hell up and stop complaining! Maybe that makes sense within whatever system of morality you maintain, but it doesn't make sense to me.And telling me to shut up is not an effective debate strategy, is it?
Please see my opinion.I respectfully disagree with you sir, but I do believe you're well spoken. I especially don't agree with "No one ever changes their opinions." I am someone who has changed his opinion. As for people getting angry, that's usually a combination of passion about their beliefs, impatience, and a disregard to respecting people they oppose. Bad habits, I think.
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Thanks :) it works up my inner demagogue.
Regardless of what you call it, I believe it should be legal. But I also believe sexual education and sexual strategy could be better as well.
Papists roasting on an open fire Jackboots stepping on their toes Let it snow let it snow let it snow
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Of course. The ones that do it without comments are pussies.
Exactly. I just provoke the weirdos til they show and actually comment.
They rarely ever respond when I do it lol
It gives false hope.My mother suggested calling a priest for my recent troubles, I told her that if some priest or her ever show up I'm going to sing them all the profanities I know.
LOL I try to refrain from profanity but hey the internet gets to me sometimes and honestly it gets people off my buttt ya know?
Good on you. Side note, fuck you. Blocking me for liking someone’s post when they have a valid point? I’ve been nothing but nice to you and you just shove me aside, Jean. Not cool.
I refrain from profanity too, but when it's necessary it's necessary.Maybe taking potshots at them with the airsoft gun would work better?
But I digress. I’m not here to argue.
I don't know what you wrote, I can't see it.
You can't just made an audacious claim like that with nothing to back it up
If you are who I think you are, I apologize for that as it was a moment of anger. I did worse at home, though.
I accept your apology.
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I can't see what you write so I don't know how to answer or if it's aimed at me.
Let them do.I take dislikes a badges of pride.
I do like kids, as long as they don't act like me when I was little😂 I asked you a simple question because you're attacking our religious beliefs and calling it invalid and if you're going to make such a claim, you should have some kind of evidence to support it.
I don’t have to back anything up lol I do as I please with and without evidence/facts. Christianity is the only true religion to salvation and that’s a fact. All these Catholics won’t get anywhere and it’s just proven 💁🏻♀️ sorry I hurt your little feelers lol
Lol I’m not even christian and I can agree that catholic nonsense gets people nowhere. It’s pageantry.
You're using what I call "children logic". Making claims with zero evidence or facts unequivocally leads to it being false. You can't admit you have zero facts or evidence and then make another statement and say it's a fact because that's not how the world works. I have a very positive relationship with Christians but not those who are like you that give not only them but all religious people a bad reputation. I bet you can't recite a single quote from Leviticus.
Being catholic is kinda like voting for biden... useless and dumb loll like honestly who wants a rapey, sniffy, touchy feely old man for our president who’s going to raise our taxes and take away our guns? Lolll I’ll stop myself there as this is more of a religious post not political.
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Lol. As hitchens once said, “I resent being considered part of a flock. But one must recognize that some shepherds love their flock much too much...”
I don't like Joe Biden at all and I can tell he is about as religious as you are, which is to say, not at all.
EXACTLY that’s the thing I don’t have to be religious to know things and state facts and make “claims” lol 🥴 all this nonsense over a false and failed religion
You forgot the fact that Joe Biden is sleepy as hell and thought he was in Vermont when he looked at Pom Trees but he was in Florida. What do you mean "kid lover" anyways?
I meant pedo by kid lovers
She’s referencing Catholicisms pedophile priests
Never seen a single Christian touch a kid the way MANY catholic priests have touched kids
And yeah he’s sleepy too, big time dementia
My religion has always been deemed evil, but even we would never dream of harming a child.
At this point I think it’s okay to say dragons are real.
I still don't know if you are talking to me or not, so I'll just shut up about it. You know how to reach me if you want.Back on topic, you all have no idea how everpresent the Church is here in Italy and Spain.Many legal and notarile acts still have to carry God formulas and symbols.
The claims of priests' practicing pedophilia here are over the roof, but the Magistratura (magistry) - which goes along with the Uffizio Legale (legal office) of the Vatican usually aquits the accused.
That’s fucked up
Death to pedophiles. May they be hung from the neck publicly til pronounced dead and sunk to the bottom of the ocean.
Go tell that to the judges here.You'd get a charge of vilipendy.
I’d rather carpet bomb them if it was up to me 💁🏻♀️
Hon no. Flay them alive and nail them to poles. Let the sun, infection, bugs and carrion crows slowly kill them.
Sorry I was being too nice wasn’t I?
Yeap. Like all sex offenders, they need to suffer and die.
I wouldn't harm a child either and you fail to realize that both Christians and Catholics read the same Bible. Nobody is celebrating those terrible priests, but not all of them are like that and to take a few and apply it to millions of people is ridiculous and it's exactly what an SJW would do. I have a girlfriend and she's one year younger than me. And I'm not a pedophile, as if I actually have to say that but apparently i do to you. You can lookup my name if you so desire. Not all sex offenders because you can become a sex offender just for peeing on a bush in a public area, let's stick to just pedophiles, rapists, traffickers and such for the death penalty.
Hon, no lol I used to be Roman Catholic. They have their own version, just like most denominations have their own versions.
What, don’t like that I can mock my former religion? We have differences hon, suck it up
@Agape93You want to attack my religion? Then I'll partake in a mutual activity.Thelema has far less legitimacy and a FAR less reliable history than Christianity does, which Catholicism is a part of. Please don't get me started on the wacko who founded it. He was known to be a hardcore drug user who "supposedly" was told of the tenents of Thelema by Awasd while in Cairo... Please do tell me, what evidence is there that he wasn't high on meth, and what evidence is there that it ever happened at all?
Yeap, and go for it lol you won’t be the first nor last. Get it out of your system lol
@Agape93Of course you can't defend your religion can you?
Lol there’s no point in trying. It’ll be dismissed and argued to death, getting us nowhere. Plus you really don’t want to get on the evidence train, hon. We both know damn well the major aspects of religion are not of this world, and are not subject to its laws or demands. That’s how gods and goddesses work.
So, you done? Got it off your chest?
@Agape93So you weren't able to huh? I can provide apologetics for Christianity, but this should be a tit for tat progression. There are PLENTY of philosophical or theological arguments for the existence and legitimacy of the Christian God which manifests a sense of overwhelming evidence pointing to its truth.There is very weak evidence for the existence of Awass or of Crowley's claims. Apologetics for Thelema are nearly non-existent.
I don’t need to hon lol and I don’t need to waste our time trying. Pick your battles friend. Let me know when you’re done complaining and baiting :)
The problem is not religion itself, but making the religion a State.Look what it did in Francoist Spain. Here too, despite being formally a laical State, the Vatican is given a lot of free hand on the Italian soil - something that a theoritecally foregn State should not be able to.
It's the similar mixture that took place in the 20s here - blackshirts with the Army, or in Germany when the SS mixed with the police on or the Ceka/NKVD did the same in the Soviet Union.I'm not comparing Catholicism with Nazism or Communism but it stands the point that it's a political ideology of a foreign State that infiltrated the apparatus of other countries.
And I talk from direct experience since up to last year I have been into a Catholic local youth organization - of which I have talked about in previous myTakes and questions - and although the iniziatives are arguably helpful towards people that need help, there was also a conscious effort to get in other, non Catholic organizations and promote the parish and Curia's interests there.
Women my age go off the pill and get pregnant because people keep telling them this. Abortion/unplanned pregnancy rates actually go up for women in their 30s and 40s.
For some reason, they abhor sex as well.. they know if they can remove contraception and abortion, people will have much less sex because of the repercussions. I've never quite figured out why they hate sex so much considering so many of them engage in sex with prostitutes, minors, and mistresses.
Yes. It’s about control. And it’s not going to happen.
Any Polish slut that wants to murder unborn babies can find plenty of countries to do so and continue her degenerated lifestyle. Like it or not there are still sane places left on this planet. Your temper tantrums and gag questions won't change that.
They shouldn’t have to travel, which is the lol t. And don’t have to travel at all. It’s so easy to have self induced abortions without having to even leave the house. The ones fighting this are going to have to understand that. They’re also going to have to understand that if you want women to make better decisions regarding sexuality (to reduce the need for abortion) they have to have a reason to want to. Before the sexual revolution, women started to figure out that they can play by all the rules and still get duped into marrying some jackass who cheats, mistreats her, and can’t afford to take care of her needs. But back then, women didn’t know how to draw those boundaries. It’s tough to find a man out there that’s worth it. For many, it will take them more time than they realize and push the time limits women are given to procreate.
I believe those men are out there as I have one myself, but they are few and far between. Yeah had to get pretty discriminatory in my standards and boundaries but it’s working well. There’s a lot of qualification that women need to run men through. And unfortunately a lot won’t process how to do it before they want to explore their sexuality. Until we can figure out how to make that happen, we need the option of abortion.
No I wasn't talking about travelling. I was talking about getting the fuck out of the country and keep Poland beautiful. You can be a dirty slut somewhere else. As for the whole marriage rant, give me a break :D the one institution that legally enslaves men to have them work for the interests of a woman and you're still not happy with what you get. "it's tough to find a man that's worth it" yeah for your irrational expectations and double standards it certainly is. Women in Poland marry the beta bucks at a young age and then go do some Alpha fucks in a "girls night out". Raising another man's child is slowly becoming the norm today. It's never enough for you sluts. You always ask for more right and privileges which is always provided by men. When it comes to responsibilities you run away. Women are fuckin disgusting.
Well as long as you think it’s ok to have that mentality then you’re just going to have to deal with the fact your seed needs to be rejected. No woman needs to associate with men like YOU.
isn't that what we've done by making abortion legal and separation of church and state?
@Ivory_Princess Sure but that's just simply making it legal. Unlike what pro lifes do, they arrest anyone who aborts but pro choice don't arrest anyone being an anti choice. That's what pro lifes should realize before calling anyone evil.
How do you arrest someone who gets an abortion if abortions are illegal? How do you get an illegal medical procedure unless you ho somewhere where its legal in which case no crime has been committed?
@Ivory_Princess That's not what im saying. Read again "Let's arrest anyone "forcing a woman to keep her unwanted "child". Fair? Or double standards?Im arguing at pro life's level.
She choose to get pregnant. Pregnancy is a choose, self responsibility is an important life skill.
Yeah just because they were having sex means she chose? She chose to have a sex she didn't choose to be pregnant there's a big difference. When there is already consequences when having abortion such as the health risk and the cost of it, there's no need for anyone to push their point of view into the law book manipulating them.
That is basicly like what prolife would say "if you don't want accident then keep your legs closed" then anyone can easily say "if you're such a prolife, go get pregnant right now or impregnate every girls you see" it's a strawman argument
Pregnancy is a biological consequence of sex. If your going to act like an adult and do adult things you have to to take the consequences like an adult.
Whoever said it is not? However we did develop things like making condoms and birth controls so that is a new option. So it's possible to have sex without getting pregnant. Other thing i also possible is abortion and because anyone can do it i'm giving them choice. I'm also giving them a choice not to have sex and i don't give any strawman arguments like an adult. So how about if you get sick because you went out in the rain just to get something for example. That's nobody's fault you have the choice to wait. So if you got sick because of that don't take any medicines and take your consequence like an adult you say? And be sick forever until you die. Is that what you want?
Because what matters more to you is consequences rather than what anyone can do. If she cannot raise a child then it's a responsible thing to do to take the risk of abortion rather than making the child miserable in the future. You're only making it sound like i am saying it's ok to take sex for granted.
One of their perfect example for your would be if you ever have a spoiled food and your fridge, don't throw it away but it it because not your consequence. If your fault and you have to be responsible for it like an adult. Even if you have to die of food poisoning we "pro food" don't care.
And when did I say the contrary?
Yes incel Cully, it’s legal in most countries.