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This is basically what happens anyway. No trans person really wants you to believe they are bio, they just want you to use their preferred pronouns which really isn't that hard.
If I see a man, and they're biologically, physically, literally a man, and they look nothing like a woman, despite how they dress, but THEY believe they're a woman, then NO, I am NOT lying to myself and degrading myself for someone ELSE's insecurities. Anyone can kindly piss off with that bullsh*t! Once society starts referring to me as Your Highness because I'm a king, ans referring to Donald Trump as Supreme Leader - since he technically is the top government official of America - then maybe we can talk. Until then, you nor anyone else is going to force be to lie to myself and say factually wrong language because someone else needs their ass kissed today and wants you to play make-believe with them! This is the sh*t I'm talking about! Some trans people don't want "equal treatment," they want people to capitulate to their fantasies and threaten and bully them into obedience! If you want to call men "women," ducks "pigs", and idiots "progressives," go right ahead. But yes, it IS hard for me to lie to my own eyes and brain for someone else.
Then don't gender them at all. 🙂
I never said I did.The best compromise I tend to do is call them by name and avoid pronouns altogether. That way, I am still respecting them without coming off rude. But I won't lie to myself for them or anyone else.
No that's honestly good. If you don't feel comfortable that's fine as long as you aren't mis-gendering them.
The bathroom thing is really a non issue. Gender neutral bathrooms are becoming more of a thing
Yeah but have you thought of the extra time because of it. Or the extra cost to add a third bathroom? How some business owners cannot afford to do that? How there was an actual article about girls refusing to go to school over it because of men abusing it.
Well kids abusing it is the parent of that kids fault. In most cases there is no issues. It'll take time but I think every bathroom should be gender neutral and have full wall and door stalls. My work has them 🙂
My work does not and the women are thankful. Omg you probably did something really stupid that was out of your parents hands. They probably tried to raise you right. Not everything is the parents fault. The strictest parents in my neighborhood raised the most wild child because guess what people have personalities and you cannot stop it. Hey if you want the women to walk naked around our mens locker room I promise no guys at my work will complain. If they become gender neutral I would bet at least half of them would start showering in the women's. Its human nature you are fighting. Be very careful for what you wish for because not everything is as cheery as it seems.
Being a peeping tom is not a personality it is a behavioural issue that parents should be made aware of and children should be punished accordingly. Raise your kids to be respectful and that wouldn't happen.In my experience nobody ever got changed amongst each other in locker rooms at schools, everyone would use a cubical.
Maybe you girls. In my experience no one did cubicles. We all just changed in front of each other
Providing more cubicles wouldn't be a bad thing. Also find it funny how it's usually men who are more concerned about people abusing gender neutral bathrooms...
I wonder why. I am only a man so of course I would understand how we operate. That statement is like saying I can't understand why oil workers are against anti-fracking laws. That's because they live it.
Sex and gender are different things. Sex is determined at birth. Gender is social and cultural 🙂
"Gender" is their perception, one which I do not have to accept.
Then you wouldn't care if people called you ma'am or miss?
That's their problem.
Sure thing ma'am
wow, i didn't expect that
I think you should let your kids wear and identify as whatever but I don't agree with hormone therapy or blockers or surgery in minors
I see. were closer than expected
Well now they label themselves or think they are trans because the word is more commonly used and more people know that it means you feel like you are in the wrong body.
Cross dressing is much different
no hunit's notmost crossdressersare just trans people that haven't "converted" yet
I wouldn't say most people who consider themselves cross dressers are. Maybe some sure. But there's more to transgenderism than just wearing clothes
no huni know what im talking aboutMOST crossdressers, are people who haven't actually done the conversion yet
I also know what im talking about having been in the lgbt community and having dated a trans guy 👌🏻
i know what im talking about hun
agree to disagree, trump
Is that an insult or are you trying to say you win because... Either way kinda weird
You agreed to disagree so you didn't trump me. If you are calling me Trump as in Donald Trump im sure a vast majority of the world population would love for trump to have my ideology on lgbt 😊
you're a fucktard
Ah yes result in insults when you've been called out. In typical Trump style "WRONG!"
But they do go to therapy?
It is once the government starts FORCING you to call men "women" and vice versa, and punishing you for "the wrong pronouns" and "misgendering" and "deadnaming" and all that crap.
It’s not that hard to mind your business and respect what people do with their bodies🤨🤚
It’s known of your concern so I don’t know what your point is? Take that transphobic shit somewhere else
What do you suggest could save them
This already happens...
There are people who believe that they are either making up their feelings or think that transitioning isn't a valid treatment for what they feel
Considering that transitioning doesn’t seem to affect the rate of suicide among trans people, it’s probably fairly valid. Maybe we try something else.
I feel like people not accepting them could be the issue there
That's not been proven. It's more likely that the transitioning doesn't fix their internal issues.
Well yeah of course transitioning doesn't fix body dysmorphia. Its not like antidepressants fix depression either, it's a whole process that takes effort and strength to just get through the day
Plus add to that the disasters for guys who go and get a neo vagina created. Plus the whole issue of autogynephilia. I think more research should be done that isn't pandering because of fear of being called 'transphobic'
There is tons of research on trans people. Some even show male brain patterns in female to male transitioners and vice versa
But no studies on the effectiveness of current treatments.
There are definitely some...
Not enough to support this current methodology as the correct way.
Well treatments are changing all the time but currently at least 90% of people who have transitioned are happy that they did and honestly that's all that matters
90% can't be happy if 40% are committing suicide.
Sorry 90% of people from a study of over 50 trans people. I know it's not a big study but gives a rough idea. Not sure where you are getting the 40% from though could you provide a source?
Okay and you look at that same survey 18% of people said their family wasn't supportive. 22% said their family wasn't supportive nor unsupportive (I assume this means acting as if nothing is different). 1 in 10 reported being violently attacked by a family member. 1 in 12 were kicked out. 19% were kicked out of their religious group. I think I can see the reasons for a 40% attempted suicide rate. Which is over their entire life by the way not just after transitioning.
So we should just ignore mental illnesses?
Nope, good job not reading what I wrote
"If you entertain an idea or suggestion, you allow yourself to consider it as possible or as worth thinking about seriously."No matter how you look at it you have kind of just said ignore mental illnesses. However, I would like to mention that trans people do get therapy, you can easily read up on the whole process if you so wish.
Again, not what I meant but talk to yourself, doesn't bother me.
Use the right phrase then 💀
You have to have therapy before transitioning so they do this already...
It obviously wasn't effective.
How do they do this?
By accepting their gender
And how do you propose they do that
By just not questing their gender as much
You really think they haven't tried that? 💀
What about chromosomes?
They define your sex. Male or female.
There are 6 recognised sex chromosome combinations. Most people don't actually know theirs.
I recognize 4 parts of bullshit!
You can't call bullshit on facts.X chromosome: roughly 1 in 2000 to 1 in 5000 people are born with (Turner's)XX chromosome: most common form of female sexXXY chromosome: roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1000 people born (Klinfelter)XY : Most common form of male sexXYY: 1 in 1000 people (Jacobs)XXXY: 1 in 50000
Wow! Wikipedia is awesome! Truth, according to "your" numbers.. Finding Al Capone's secret safe or Joe Biden becoming president would be a safer bet.
Where tf do you think wiki gets their info? 💀💀 what would you believe then?
Wiki = What I Know Is! I believe in 2 sexes and well in 41 years that's all I've seen.
Well you aren't a scientist I assume so I wouldn't imagine you have seen others 🙂 I've never seen a whale doesn't mean they don't exist.
Ok, I'm sure you're going to block me after this, but that was the worst reply to an actual conversation I've seen this entire year! That's like closing your eyes and then running into a wall to prove it exists. Sex and gender is defined, whether you, I, or anon, I mean anyone else wants.
I feel like you need to brush up on the meaning of sex and gender. 🙂
Why? And according to that matter from whom?
Because it seems you think the two are interchangeable. Which people do use them as such sure but they're actually not. They do have different meanings. I suggest before you tell me im wrong you do some research. Have a good day/night whatever.
I don't think they are interchangeable, but also have different meanings. Based on choice only! Yes, it is possible to "change" your sex, but your gender is predetermined. Have a great morning.
Its evening. But no gender isn't predetermined, gender is social and cultural its what you wear and how you act. You can't change your biological sex but you can change your gender and how your genitalia look.
Gender is predetermined. I'd like you to prove me wrong. (No wikipedia this time ;) ) Until then have a great evening!
Gender is just whether you are masculine or feminine, how you dress how you act etc... WORDS in some languages are gendered. French for example "le" "un" is masculine "la" "une" is feminine. These aren't used just for people they are used for inanimate objects. Unsure how else I can prove facts to you. Again do research.
What is your gender? Male or female?
There you go. Have a nice evening ma'am :)
Why are you acting as if you "got me"? Lmfao I know my gender. As do you and everyone else? What's your fucking point 😂😂😂
I am a cis-gendered female.How does my gender prove your point? 😂😂😂
You proved my fucking point! It's not a gotcha moment, I'm not that goddamn talented. As I stated before, you can try to change your sex, but gender precedes all that bullshit. Try to be a girl? Yikes! Try to be a dude? Well why would a girl ever try unless she was looking butch in the first place? Chromosomes!
By changing your sex you can change your gender. Your parents can predetermined your gender in a way I guess by dressing you as the typically corresponding sex but ultimately as you grow up its your choice how you want to dress and how you want to present yourself. You could also be gender neutral (non conforming to either) or gender fluid (switch between both masculine and feminine)
Alright, you're turning into a broken record.. You have brought nothing new since this reply, that I almost successfully copied and pasted.CuriousMufuxka49 minI don't think they are interchangeable, but also have different meanings. Based on choice only! Yes, it is possible to "change" your sex, but your gender is predetermined. Have a great morning.