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What do you think of the boter fraud?
I think just saying the words voter fraud mean nothing.You have to have evidence.
What requires for gathering evidence?
So this is the argument. . . Trump lost Pennsylvania by about 250,000 votes. Trump's claim is that there is just enough voter fraud to lose him the election. There are just enough fake Biden votes and just enough ballots that were burned of his that lead to Biden's victory. So he has to prove that there are 250,000 fake votes or that he lost 250,000 votes to burning ballots etc. That's why the whole claim is a sham. Does he has 250,000 incidents of fake votes? Does he have on video someone burning 250,000 ballots? And remember this was in the same election that elected Republicans down ballot.I voted for Biden, there is no way on earth I was voting down ballot for other dems.
How are you sure there was no voter fraud?
Uhm. . . it isn't my job to prove there wasn't voter fraud. That's not how elections work. We don't make election officials prove the election was valid.Have you ever heard of the American legal system?
I asked because you excluded voter fraud
I didn't exclude anything.Prove it.The words voter fraud does not prove voter fraud. You must have evidence. Preferably that was not posted on youtube. www.independent.co.uk/.../...on-fire-b1620597.htmlDonald Trump’s son Eric has been criticised by local officials in Virginia for sharing an incendiary video online which he claimed showed ballots for his father being destroyed.Eric posted the video to his 4.4 million followers on Wednesday at 3:40pm, saying: “Burning 80 Trump Ballots.”The video, which has since been deleted, showed what looked like ballots going up in flames.
If you don't exclude, then wait for a proper investigation.How can we be sure they were not actual ballots?
What investigation? Do you know something no one else knows? The only thing that is happening is recounts. Most states certify their election by the first week in December. We have told you trump supporters. . . recounts won't change the vote totals enough to change the result. Biden won by too much in every state he carried. If it were just a matter of 200 votes that one thing. Who is conducting this investigation you are talking about?
Wait and see if recounts won't change the result. I'm from a country where our ex president got more than 56% of votes by cheating. When we made a revolution his party got only 4.7% of the votes lol
OH! So you are from a country that has corrupt elections!Got it!We have conducted corruption free elections for 240 years. Well, at least corrupt-free in that the people who were allowed to vote could be certain their votes counted.You aren't American, so I have no time to explain how elections work in our nation. But do the research. Maybe your nation should copy our system. Well, if you guys ever get around to wanting fair elections.
After the revolution we have got an amazing PM. It means we do have fair elections unlike your country.
So you have fair elections because you have an amazing PM?Haha!!!We have fair elections because we have a de-centralized system for electing our President. Russia claims it has fair elections.Guess what. . . they don't!
No. He made fair elections. We all knew our previous leaders cheated but we couldn't do anything for stopping them.
Biden only speaks. He said he would save lives without providing any solution as how he would do that. I'm not sure I built my sentences correctly by the way. But I think you got the meaning.
yeah, and you're correct. Other than bullshit about a national mask mandate (which he's previously acknowledged he'd be unable to do since it's unconstitutional)
"did nothing to prevent the spread"What should he have done?
National mask mandate and federal enforcement in the form of monetary fines for violations or brief jail time for repeated offences. Federally mandated social distancing. Shut down of international flights when the pandemic had just begun. Acknowledged the pandemic immediately, as opposed to weeks after the fact. Listen to scientists and experts. Be truthful about findings with the American people to encourage following safety protocol. Use the initial stimulus to keep non-essential workers at home for a period of two months to prevent the spread of the virus and let it die out, as opposed to spending months of stimulus money without actually addressing the problem, completely defeating the purpose of having the stimulus in the first place.
Here in Russia we wore masks only for a month and guess what we are very low death rates.
I don't mean to cause offence, but Russia isn't known for being honest about these things. Russia reports 28,828 covid deaths, but they also reported 31 deaths in the Chernobyl incident.
It's the other way around. Doctors have a 3rd money to the relatives of the dead to agree to confirm covid 19 as the reason for the death.
Yeah, I didn't get any money. I just got a dead relative.
Doesn't refute what I said though.
That's not how our government works. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
@joeldalton That is exactly how the government works especially since the president is the figurehead/leader of the respective party. Trump failed to lead and the Republican party failed to act.
It certainly isn't. The state governors were responsible for their covid response.
@joeldalton Why? Also how would they have the power to do anything to stop it in the first place?
Because that's how our government is set up. The states are designed to be independent 'countries' that are united under a common federal government. You wouldn't want the EU dictating to Sweden on how to react to the virus. Especially since Sweden has done the best out of anyone.They don't have any power to stop covid, just like a president or leader of any country doesn't. Trump is responsible for the things he did - like shutting down air travel.
@joeldalton I am well aware of how your government is set up thank you very much. The idea that the states are supposed to be set up as independent countries is also extremely misleading and tends to give people the wrong impression such as in your case. They are autonomous territories, nothing more. They have some rights but the federal government also the right to enact policies and such things which is especially important in this case since its the job of the federal government to protect society and its citizens.That is not to talk about the role of the president in leading the country where Trump was supposed to do things like encourage people to wear masks and lead his party to enact quarantines and programs such as test and trace. There are million of things a leader can choose to do to fight a pandemic such as this and Trump decided to not do anything and even ignore the advice from his own experts.As for Sweden it did among the worst in Europe.
lmao, you're still stuck on the mask nonsense. Um. Last time I checked, independent and autonomous mean the same thing. So you contradict yourself in your reply.
@joeldalton Yes, still stuck on the "mask thing" that we know works and is supported by every expert in every nation on earth. Also autonomous and independent are diametrically opposed.
Lol, no. Masks are not supported by "every" expert. That is laughable that you thought to type that out.
@joeldalton Oh really? Tell me one health organization that does not support wearing masks to stop Covid19.
You said "expert", now you say "health organization". Which is it?Here's the US Surgeon General
@joeldalton Yeah that was an issue with medical supplies to hospitals. Even then I am not even talking about the n95 masks in question here but just any mask in general. What they are saying is not even necessarily wrong, the mask is not to stop YOU from becoming infected, its for stopping you from infecting OTHERS if you happen to have the disease unknowingly.So yeah, you just took that quote out of context, great job.
Oh. So it's OK for the WHO, and CDC to not recommend masks and risk people getting infected? And the box of surgical masks that clearly states it's not protection from Covid.Ok, so if you know you don't have the disease, then you don't need to wear a mask. Since we know that asymptomatic folks aren't the main transmission source.No mask mandates. If you're coughing and want to wear a mask, that's acceptable too. I can buy into that.
@joeldalton No, the WHO and CDC does recommend masks:www.who.int/.../when-and-how-to-use-maskswww.cdc.gov/.../about-face-coverings.htmlWhat they do not however state is to use N95 masks which is in short supply at hospitals where they are needed. To get the benefit of a N95 mask you also need to go much further than what is expected from civilian use which includes special training and specially ordered masks to fit you personally. Just putting on a N95 mask does not necessarily make you more protected compared to other masks which is a waste of already limited resources.Surgical masks are also not effective at all. They do not filter the air, they are for stopping things like fluids getting in or out of your mouth and nose during operation and not for stopping any kind of airborne disease. A normal cloth mask is superior in that regards.Lastly asymptomatic people still transmit disease and you do not need to be coughing either. Just the fact that it is spreading like currently disproves your argument of people taking personal responsibility.
The fact that it is spreading disproves your statements about masks,. Lol.
@joeldalton Are you claiming people are using masks, and more importantly using masks properly?
If they don't work unless they're used a highly specific way, then you're admitting they're ineffective for general use. Good job.Let's say 80% of people are wearing masks, and of that 80%, 50% are wearing them "properly". If masks work so well, you'd see a decrease in infections. But we see the opposite. So yes, they're useless.
@joeldalton True, I am not claiming people are using the masks properly but that is also accounted for in my expectations of the result. This is one of the main reasons why I say the masks is to protect you from infecting other people, that requires you to simply wear the mask without any considerations to how well you are doing it or your habits around it. This alone, if everyone did it such as having a mask mandate would actually stop the pandemic by lowering the transmission rate lower than the rate in which people are getting cured.
But it hasn't. Infection rates are going up in every place that has a mask mandate. And not at a lower rate than those that don't. The only place infections are stagnant is China. They're partying in Wuhan without masks. Feel like a sucker, yet?
@joeldalton An example:voxeu.org/.../unmasked-effect-face-masks-spread-covid-19You can come at me with your anecdotal and presumptuous claims all day long but you lack evidence, such as the ones I have looked at while forming my own understanding of this topic before I opened my stupid mouth.
1) We knew that Covid was transmitted by droplets in March.2) WHO, CDC, Fauci all said masks were ineffective.3) Many, MANY studies show masks are ineffective at preventing respiratory viruses.Mask technology hasn't changed.Covid transmission method hasn't changed.But now magically masks work.And I'm the stupid one? Lol..
@joeldalton You are asking the wrong question here. Here you are again confusing the ability to prevent an infection with successfully fighting a pandemic. Sure, masks are ineffective at protecting you unless you have the correct mask (n95) and all the extra technical skills and equipment to properly use it but that is not at all how masks would stop covid19.It does not protect infection but further transmission.
Once again, droplet size didn't change, mask technology didn't change. Several, I mean SEVERAL studies have stated that masks are ineffective in preventing the spread of respiratory viruses. Hell, the NIH even did a study that found masks were ineffective in preventing infection in a surgical theater. And that's "Preventing the spread" as you like to keep parroting. Nothing at all has changed with the science, and you admit current mask wearing is ineffective. I honestly don't know why you hang on to the charade so dearly.
@joeldalton You keep missing the point. Let me try explain this by using an analogy. Lets say we were trying to stop fatalities in car crashes. A logical way to do this would be to put in safety measures so that humans better survive the crash such as a seat-belt. Doing so makes you more safe in a crash.Another way to do this however is to prevent the crash from happening in the first place such as implementing effective traffic rules. The traffic rules by themselves are not really going to do anything to save you if you actually happen to be in a crash, that is not what they do, yet they still lower the amount of crashes by prevention.That is how casual masks help to stop the pandemic. They do not directly stop you from being infected and there are plenty of studies to show that you are still susceptible to infection while wearing inferior masks BUT, that is not what the mask mandate is all about. The mask mandate intends to stop the pandemic through other means that you seam physically incapable of differentiate from preventing infection yet everyone else readily understands.Trying to quote studies of how ineffective masks are is only proving MY point, not yours and you are too ignorant to realize why.
Oh God that’s fucking hilarious. Masks being ineffective only proves we have to make everyone wear one. That’s the stupidest fucking thing I’ve heard this week.It’s all a moot point because Biden cured covid. See all the folks whooping it up in the streets? No one’s chastising them for killing grandmas. It’s all good from the same folks who reeeeeed about Trump’s rallies.
I agree, if everyone cared and listened to medical advice in the first place worldwide, there would be fewer cases in general