True. But do you see she's done any substantial work in reality? Culturally, do you think a sense of Americanism needs to be defined because currently it looks like anyone and everyone jumps into this popularity contest called American politics? What does it mean to be American?
It’s quite clear from her page on the congress. gov site that she (co) sponsored a lot of legislation some of which passed the house. Playing a role in the legislative process inherently is doing substantial work, especially if you’re in one of the highest offices
So what did she help change really? Also, if any refugee can be called an American because they come here, what culturally even defines an American?
Introducing and passing legislation is arguably helping with far greater change than basically anyone can do on their own.And yeah, refugees can be Americans.
Sure, but let's say she did none of that. Would she still be an American in the eyes of most Americans? I'm presenting the paradox between becoming American on paper and being considered American in essence.There seems to be a caste system of sorts, isn't there? Trump speaks however he wants, but he still gets a stage. Imagine, just imagine for a minute, Obama or Ilhan Omar spoke like that - about people around them, individuals etc. Would they even have a stage to stand on?
"do you see she's done any substantial work in reality?"How do you get something substantial done, if the Senate Majority Leader won't consider anything not from his "team"? Seriously, stuff that would get a majority of votes aren't put up because they're not McConnell approved.HEROES Act, support for election integrity, etc.
@goaded Good point. But I'm asking specific to the idea of what is an American? There seems to be a separate set of rules that apply - so comes the paradox of what is presented as an American on paper and in essence.
So do you think when they made her a naturalized citizen it was due to a process that wasn't well done or it needs an overhaul?
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Do you think Trump is an American?
Yea, and Trump was making America great again, while the likes of Omar are ruining America.
If Omar was ruining America, how does she keep winning the elections in her area? How come Trump lost this election by a huge margin?
Because foolish people keep voting for a ISIS representative in US Congress.
So the majority in Minnesota are ISIS supporters? Ilhan Omar spoke against Saudi Arabia when Jamal Kasshoggi was killed, even Trump didn't do that. She won elections in an American district. So what does that make her?
Trump didn't do that for political reasons obviously, anyway I don't trust her, at all.
What has she done specifically that makes you think she has more loyalty to Somalia or just Muslims?
Antisemitic remarks, basically open hatred of Jews, Hatred for the American way of life and our freedoms. And finally the fact that she married her brother to get him citizenship. Additionally she called the 9/11 terrorists, freedom fighters. She has been called out for saying she wants to bring sharia law to the states as well. Omar praised al Qaeda as well.. in any case believe what you wish, i dont want a terrorist supporting person in our government.
Isn't that how many Republicans see it?
Yeah, who else would see it like that other than Republicans and other right-wingers?
Do they have a point or not? When Ilhan Omar steps out of America, who would ever say she is an American?
No, they do not have a point. When she steps out of America, she could be pretty much anything. Looks don't determine someone's nationality. Especially not in countries that are as diverse as the USA. So I don't see what point they could have other than pure racism.
Then why is there an implicit double standard? Trump can get on stage and talk like a high school bully, but if Ilhan Omar did it, she wouldn't be popular anymore. Same with Obama - his decency is his ticket to being accepted as a good person.When we think Americans -- the world has an idea of it, Ilhan Omar doesn't have any of those characteristics. She's done work for Americans, sure, but many immigrants, foreign nationals who work as engineers, doctors, small business owners are doing helpful work for America as well. They aren't American. So it looks to me like the naturalization process is not an accurate representation of what makes an American - because a naturalized person could be identical in their taste with someone outside the US, from their country of origin. That is why the double standard exists. This leads to one of the two conclusions:1. Majority of Americans are racists or closet racists2. The naturalization process is not a true representation of what it means to be an American.Or it could be both.. I think it's a combination of the two.
"When we think Americans -- the world has an idea of it, Ilhan Omar doesn't have any of those characteristics."Speak for yourself. Sure, ignorant, uneducated racists think like that. Everyone else knows better. Anyone with a little bit of brain and knowledge, and no racism infesting their minds, thinks of America and knows that it's an extremely diverse country. Americans are white, they black, they are Asian, they are Christians, they are Muslims, they are Atheists, they are straight, they are gay, they transgender. When you see someone with certain characteristics, sure, we automatically have some stereotypical ways of determining some identity - if it's a woman wearing a hijab, obviously we'll assume she's Muslim. But assuming her NATIONALITY? That makes absolutely zero sense. Unless, like I said, you're ignorant and uneducated."She's done work for Americans, sure, but many immigrants, foreign nationals who work as engineers, doctors, small business owners are doing helpful work for America as well. They aren't American."Yes, they are. The world is not black and white. People can have more than one nationality, can be part of more than one culture. In fact, the world is full of people like that. But people like you have a hard time grasping anything that's different than their oversimplistic, ignorant, black-and-white world. How sad."So it looks to me like the naturalization process is not an accurate representation of what makes an American"Doesn't matter what you think. You don't get to decide what an accurate representation of America is. I'm American. Born and raised. But I'm also Italian and feel just as home in Italy and in Europe. And the people in Italy and Europe in general don't get to say "You're born in America, therefore you can't be Italian/European at the same time!". Yes, I actually can. And I do. And you don't hold a monopoly on what is and what isn't American. You just don't.
"because a naturalized person could be identical in their taste with someone outside the US, from their country of origin."Yes, and how is that relevant?
"1. Majority of Americans are racists or closet racists"And you seem to be one of them."2. The naturalization process is not a true representation of what it means to be an American."This is what a racist would think.
So does the naturalization process need an overhaul?
Also, what actions of hers (not just vague sentences) makes you think she hates America?
She consistently blames America for terrorist attacks. Called the 9/11 attacks "some people did some things"
The whole thing was some people did something and all of a sudden, we become second class citizens. Isn't she right? No matter what she does, she's a Muslim, dark skinned and she'll not be seen as a full American by many.
Bullshit. Act like an American and support America and you'll be accepted. Americans love an underdog story.
Of course, America loves the story, but would they truly consider Ilhan Omar American? It feels to me like as long as someone like her agrees to everything, they're the poster child for American diversity, but if they genuinely have a difference of opinion, they are tagged traitors, ungrateful, un-American etc. Would you say Trump has done is against the American people when he downplayed the effects of the pandemic? If a person becomes naturalized, shouldn't we have one standard?
When you attack American institutions you're not an American. America will never be a socialist country. It will never be under Islamic law. If you advocate for illegal immigration into this country, then you advocate for the system that exploits those illegals, immigrants.
That's a true point. But would you hold someone like say Donald Trump to the same level of test - like when he downplayed the pandemic? Or when he chickened out of military service? Or when he didn't pay taxes to this country?This is what makes me feel there is a caste system in the US. Trump has got on stage and speaks like a school bully, can Sundar Pichai do that? Can Obama do that and these people still stay relevant as great Americans?
LMAO. Such horseshit.1) he didn't downplay covid. He shut down flights to this country first thing2) He didn't avoid paying taxes. If you actually cared to READ the actual article, it clearly states he had prepaid in the millions.3) Military service isn't required in the US to be a politician.
So anyone who comes from another country as a refugee can become an American?
And if a person from any culture can merely come here and become American, what defines an American culturally?
America is a melting pot. Different cultures blended into one.
Which cultures have blended into one from Asia?
Does it matter? Also welcome back after 4 days.
It does matter. I'll tell you why. Cultures coming from Asia are rich (detailed) and existed for ages. The Asians (Indians, Iranians, Chinese etc) and people like Ilhan Omar (Somalian-descent) won't integrate the way white Americans would like. So the question is, how do we come across a standard of what it means to be an American.It's better to not have a naturalization process and call people American, and then treat them like second class people. Instead, call them immigrants or foreigners and be consistent with the rules.
And how does that relate to the original post? She’s an American.