They’re posting so called proof, what do you think about that?
So called proof is not proof. You tube videos by bloggers are not proof. Sources who don't want their name used are not proof. What Breitbart or The Gateway Pundit says or grainy videos that show this or that from Project Veritas is not proof. Throwing claims about pets voting, dead people voting, one person changing 60 ballots and on and on without any real verification is not proof.Why are they throwing all this out into the court of public opinion instead of having their lawyers take this into a real court. We all know why. To rile up their base and get them convinced their orange God has been robbed. If they got proof, don't tell me. I can't help you change anything. Take it into court. Show a federal judge. So far every case they've brought has been laughed out of court. Alito told PA keep votes that arrived within the 3 day window after election day separate for now and we'll see if there are enough to actually have to make a decision about the validity of the claim. The PA Secretary of State said we're doing that anyway. That's their big groundbreaking victory. That's it. There's no there there.
You do realize that mail in ballots makes the perfect stage for fraud to occur? So it isn't out of the realm of possibility that fraud can occur.You realize it is possible that there was fraud? Fraud is not impossible to have happened.
@Cryptic-Game Your logic is fatally flawed. The beginning assumption has to be that fraud did not occur not that it did. You've got to argue and show proof there is a strong possibility that it in fact did occur, not that it was not completely impossible to have happened. If people could argue that as proof, people could literally without proof argue that anything is "not impossible", dogs can talk, I'm your long lost 3rd cousin, cars can fly. "Just because you've not seen it happen yet doesn't mean it can't happen in the future or hasn't already happened somewhere and we just don't know about" can be argued about anything. That's not proof.Regardless, the checks and balances, comparisons of signatures, validation processes for mail in ballots are no less stringent and rigorous than for in person ballots. I could kill you, create a fake ID with your name and my picture and vote in person at your normal polling place claiming to be you with relative ease. The notion that Trump has for months drilled into your head that in-person balloting is totally secure but mail in balllots are fraught with fraud is complete and utter nonsense.
Cheating is possible and there is a higher possibility for cheating of mail in ballots are allowed. These are facts.I never said it is proven.If they did prove cheating, you would still remain a Democrat no matter what. You are dedicated to that party.
If there were 4 blue states with 300k+ leads and all got flipped red, you'd be suspicious of fraud too. Yet when it is the other way, you ain't suspicious.
@Cryptic-Game "Cheating is possible and there is a higher possibility for cheating of mail in ballots are allowed. These are facts."No my friend. They're not facts just because you say they are. There is no proof of that, no evidence to support it. Period.And no I wouldn't be suspicious of the states flipping because I actually pay attention to what people say when they explain it. This has been explained over and over and over. Trump told his supporters mail in ballots were fraudulent and to vote in person, They did that. Democrats due to concerns about Covid overwhelmingly voted by mail in. They counted the in person ballots first. That's what was reported election night and that's why Trump went out to such large leads even though only 30-40% of the ballots that had been cast were represented in those leads. Two states even prohibited mail in ballots from being counted until the day after the election. The in person votes were overwhelmingly Trump, the mail ins were overwhelmingly Biden. Once they started counting the mail ins, Trump's lead disappeared. This has been explained over and over again, Almost 5 million votes were cast in Georgia, 6.7 million in Pennsylvania, 5.5 million in Michigan. Jumping out to a 400,000 or 500,000 vote lead when only the first 1.5 million votes have been counted only to lose it when the rest of the 4-5 million votes were counted is hardly unusual especially given the dynamics of who voted in each group.. If you have no problem believing Trump could have a 400,000 vote lead among the first 1.5 million votes counted, why is it so freaking hard for you to grasp Biden could easily have had a 400,000-500,000 vote lead among the remaining 4-5 million votes cast? It's basic math. There's nothing shady or suspicious about it.
@Cryptic-Game That's what happened. Easy enough to understand if you seek to understand instead of just mindlessly repeating how 'suspicious" it looked in post after post. I've generously spent the time to try to help you undestand what happened. After this explanation, there shouldn't be any further questions about why Biden caught up and ended up taking small leads in these states. If you persist in claiming it still looks suspicious then I will conclude you simply don't want an actual explanation, you just want to continue claiming it looks suspicious even though there is nothing suspicious about it. And if you make one more comment implying I lack the ethics and integrity to admit cheating took place just because I'm a Democrat or as you did earlier claim I would commit fraud myself just to further my party's cause, I'm going to get very very nasty with you and you're not going to like it.
@Cryptic-Game Have you at any time thought it was suspicious that on election night Trump was leading Biden in all these states 66% to 34% when in the last election all these states were decided by less than 1%? Did you ever stop to think if THAT looked suspcious or because it was Trump in the lead you thought to yourself it's probably just cause he's so popular and such a great guy? Think about THAT.
So you're saying Trump's own words screwed him out of a shot at winning? Even if he said that to them, his supporters could still have sent mail in ballots and some mail in ballots did go to Trump.
That wasn't the case in Pennsylvania tho. Trump led 2.8 M to 2.1 M. That's about 4.9 M votes in. He led as many as 702k in PA.
It didn't shock me that it occurred in Alaska, Oklahoma and Wyoming. Those are big red states by 65 to 70% getting Republican votes.
Trump has over 72 million votes. Seems quite odd for someone who is so hated to get that many and get over 47% of all votes. A hatred candidate would get 20% tops.
@Cryptic-Game You can assume there was a possibility of this or not a possibility of that or whatever you want. I honestly don't give a crap and I'm annoyed at myself for having wasted so much time responding to you.
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can't be fake, they are notarized under penalty of perjury. Sure if there were 4 accounts then they could be fake. But over 200 people are not fake.You asked for proof, there is proof.
Read your article, David. "White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany claimed to be holding 234 pages of affidavits from Michigan on Fox News on Tuesday". Claimed. CLAIMED. Kayleigh McNamara who apparently has transitioned to a position with the Trump Campaign while she continues to draw her taxpayer funded salary as Press Secretary is not credible. Neil Cavuto even cut away from her press conference because her allegations were so unfounded and inflammatory. Neil Cavuto! Of Fox News! Get those people in court. Have them testify under oath and be able to be questioned by opposing counsel. Then we can talk about proof. And have you seen the documents to be sure they were properly notarized? Let me know when you do.
I’m not an attorney. But she has proof, that’s what the asker wanted. by the way if any of these people lied, they can be thrown in jail? That’s why these are official affidavits, not just rumor. These people had to have their accounts notarized.
David, she claims they're proof. No one but Trump's people have seen them. Why is that distinction seemingly lost on you? You're taking everything she said at that news conference at face value. I'm not. And her claims were so wild, so outrageous, as I said even FoxNews cut away because what she was saying lacked any proof. I think she lying through her teeth. You can believe everything she says even if Fox News doesn't. It's still not proof until an impartial party has verified it.www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-host-neil-cavuto-cuts-off-kayleigh-mcenany-for-spreading-election-lies
Actually I didn’t learn about these by any press conference, I shared that link via a google search. I learned about some cases of fraud by actually hearing from the people who witnessed it. I’m not claiming that Kayleigh is truthful or not. The entire point is you and the asker can claimed cases are being brought to court without proof. I have given a link detailing 200+ statements of voter fraud. Once the judge agrees these claims are legit, would you then agree they are proof of voter fraud?
"I have given a link detailing 200+ statements of voter fraud."As I've said TWICE, the link you provided talked about Kayleigh McEnany's ridiculous press conference and the 200+ statements of voter fraud were what she claimed without evidence. I could call a press conference with a stack of comic books under my arm and claim they are notarized documents.. That doesn't make them proof. No one but her have seen them. We're going around and around in circles. I don't know why you seem unable to comprehend that alleged claims of fraud are not proof until they are verified. Believe what you want as to what is and isn't proof. I'm done.
No worries, you and I both know it wouldn’t matter what proof was presented. I didn’t even know she had a press conference, I saw her talking about the proof on a tv show.Peace
No, we both don't know that. What we do both know is that no matter how many courts throw out these specious lawsuits, no matter how closely watched recounts are by Republican observers, no matter how many Republican Secretaries of State as in Arizona and Georgia debunk these ridiculous theories like "Sharpiegate", Trump supporters will never ever believe they weren't robbed because that's what Trump told them. Period.Peace.
You were right by the way, I meant to say evidence originally. Cases are being brought with evidence. Proof takes the judge. I appreciated the discussion and am humble enough to admit when I made a mistake. Glad to see there is evidence and these cases are not just smoke.
There were also people who were mad that Clinton lost.
If the situation was reversed, you'd cry out fraud too.
@Cryptic-Game this happened in 2016 dummy. And there wasn’t no evidence of fraud.
Still could have been fraud in 2016 tho even if no evidence showed up. Cheating can go undetected.
@Cryptic-Game It would have to be the slickest criminals in America. Cuz they is no evidence of voter fraud.
There are sworn affidavits. That's evidence there. It isn't proof but they already wrote it up. We also know of proof from 2018 of voter fraud happening. So it isn't impossible that it could have occurred too.What would you say if it turned out to be proof of fraud? Would it matter? No. You'd still stick with the democrats.
@Cryptic-Game “That is evidence. It isn’t proof.” Do you know how foolish you sound?
Nope, whatever you’re hearing is typically fake news
Of course there is proof
Point is you lost babe
Democrats also claims victory in 2000 but 37 days later it turned out Republicans won.