The power hunger, cocky bastards who act unprofessional must be fired immediately. I can't stand them to be policing my community.
Understandable. What about the other questions I have made, do you have any thoughts on them? (Again, no sarcasm here, I honestly want to read about it).
Rephrase your question again to clarify for me betterbecause I quite don't understand?
OK. While you are auditing, veting or firing those cops, what should the others law enforcement officers and your community be doing together to get to a better, however little, healthier place as a whole?
#1: They should be respecting people's rights and personal space. #2: Address the common citizen with respect and not have this condescending bully attitude just because they have a gun and badge. Lastly, don't needlessly abuse nor shoot anyone who isn't seriously presenting danger.
Those all are valid further points you hadn't made before. Well done.
(there is no sarcasm in the following)What country would that be? US of A?
@MAC1983 you know it. On nearly every domestic flight I've been on there's been some asshole creating hassle for the aircrew
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Finally, someone who has it right.
The national guard and the IRS. Cops are localized and well within my comfort level as a proponent of federalism.
@FocusOfSuspicion Sometimes the national guard or the IRS's internal forces are sent, but police also can be and are utilized to enforce the tax code and especially gun control.
Perhaps, but only in so far as their state tells them too. Enforcement at local levels doesn’t blindly follow the preferences of the federal government. For example, weed and sanctuary states/cities.
@FocusOfSuspicion That's exactly the problem. Cops do whatever their state tells them to--and some states tell them to enforce ridiculous gun control policies and up to a 13% income tax. Just because it's more localized doesn't make it okay to violate human rights. If cops were as virtuous as conservatives think they are, they'd tell the governors of states like California and New York to go fuck themselves. But no. They just follow orders, like the cowards they are.
So now you’re arguing for government intervention at a federal level. And that’s legit in some cases. The federal government is responsible for protecting our constitutional rights. They should in that particular instance intervene. But the sun is in the state’s overstep, not the police’s obedience. And there are examples of cops refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws. For example threatening to deputize every gun owner in their jurisdiction if gun control laws prohibit them from having them.
@FocusOfSuspicion How on earth did you get "federal intervention" out of what I said? No. What I am advocating is that cops refuse to enforce unconstitutional laws. And yes, that has happened a handful of times, but by and large, the cops have failed to do that. I'm not sure if you're aware, but all gun control policies and the very existence of the income tax are unconstitutional. So the line cops have drawn (if there even is one) on which laws to enforce and which not to is completely arbitrary.
Wow, first of all the constitution lays out a process by which amendments can be legitimately created, like for example: the 16th amendment which I don’t personally agree with but that allows the federal government to levy taxes on income. Second, by saying a state can overstep the constitution you presented a situation wherein, per the constitution, the federal government has a legitimate responsibility and roll to intervene since the roll of the federal government is to protect constitutionally enumerated rights from usurpers. Third, I also believe that gun control is unconstitutional but unfortunately that’s been considered debatable. But it ain’t the police making that determination. It’s idiots and power hungry politicians.And thirdly, there’s no reason for this to be contentious. I’m not trying to provoke you, I’m simply disagreeing. So don’t go all diva on me: “How on earth... yada yada yada“
@FocusOfSuspicion Well that's why I'm not a constitutionalist. The document was largely great in protecting human rights in it's original state that it was ratified in, but it was intrinsically flawed due to things like the elastic clause and amendment process that made things like the income tax and gun control possible.
I am a constitutionalist at my core. So there’s where we ultimately split. I agree with the amendment process because it’s necessary to be flexible with change. But the elastic clause is a BS interpretation by people trying to get around having to go through the amendment process because they know it’ll never go through. instead of accepting that means they shouldn’t be doing something they came up with that load of bull.
@FocusOfSuspicion I disagree. They're interpreting the elastic clause exactly how it's supposed to be interpreted--however they want. The Constitution undermined itself almost as soon as it was drafted, unfortunately.
No chance. The elastic clause is the one that says you can pass laws necessary and proper to fulfill the responsibilities listed in the constitution. So they scoured the whole constitution for loopholes. The whole thing is clean with basically one exception. The freakin’ preamble. The take the summary, the statement of purpose, and pick out a 4 word phrase: promote the general welfare. That was intended to explain why they were creating the constitution. It was no enumerated power. It’s the mission statement.
@FocusOfSuspicion The point I was making was that if the Constitution was truly a perfect document, it wouldn't have any weak points to exploit. That's why I'm not a constitutionalist and instead rely on a consistent moral guideline called the non-aggression principle. I'm not hostile to the Constitution because it does just *happen* to line up with the NAP in most cases, but I have no problem dispensing with it in the few instances in which it doesn't.
@Grubhub what's so funny? Do you think it's funny that people who have kids and not teach them basically things is funny? Do you think its funny when drug addicts are all over the streets because parent's are no longer caring? Do you think its funny as to how many people would want the government to take care of them rather they themselves?
Oh my bad man, I didn’t read your full answer. You’re opinion is legit
@Grubhub its alright
I grew to seriously dislike them to borderline to hatred.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Listen to what this man is saying. Cops arrest murderers and rapists constantly all the time. They stow away the most negative elements of our society even if they are a bit guilty themselves every once in a while.
This doesn't happen all the time. Cops that abuse their job are all too rare. But the problem is that they are human and are prone to human emotions just like the rest of us lol.
B. S. wake the hell up.
Seems like you might know something I don't. Please explain.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Answer my question frok before. Should we get rid of doctors too? Some of them have purposely killed patients before
Its their damn attitude that is disgusting to me. The U. S. cops are terrible and have a "how dare you question me" I hate it.
I have only had much interaction with them in the US. I have had a few run ins without having down anything wrong. Once I was in the vicinity of a house that some frat boys were breaking into and I ended up in cuffs. Luckily the cops found out that I had no relation to the punks. On another occasion I had my college dorm room searched. I admit that cops in China when I was there seemed kind of easy going, nobody dares break the law there anyways. Nevertheless, I suspect that cops in other countries probably act arrogantly at times too.
I don't need them for nothing nor can they do nothing for me. Cops don't protect anyone. Go outside your house, do you see a cop outside? Mostly likely no. I protect myself. Screw cops.
You reason like a child.
How is my reason wrong? You walk to the store and someone robs you, what cop was there to keep you from being robbed? Cops only show up after the fact to take your statement? You want personal protection then hire body guards.
A robbery isn't resolved to your liking and let's do away with police entirely? Try to comprehend this; your limited experiences, and media shitposting police does not paint the whole picture. Thousands of officers in every single country risk their lives to safeguard us. They prevent murder, theft, rape, abuse, kidnapping. They do razzias to stop drug gangs and they go undercover to expose pedophiles and sex trafficking. Police stand between law and order and chaos and death in society. An everyone's war against everyone is what we have without law enforcement and for you to say you'd be fine, BS. You wouldn't last a week when anyone could kill you off and steal your home with impunity. You have no ideal what a lawless community looks like so stop acting like you do.It is frankly disgusting of you to curse the police force, and for what, a few lazy officers, a few bad apples? No profession in the world would survive if one single flaw was enough to condemn them.Not to mention it is wholly unbiblical.
I respect high government but not the cops. Screw cops.
You come off as very childish when your only argument is "screw cops", and it's hard to take you seriously.
How do you expect high government to do anything at all without enforcers? Are congressmen going to waltz into the lion's den of criminals and clear them out? Your logic doesn't make sense. And what about the multitudes of policemen who risk their own lives for others, are you going to look at the mother who regained her kidnapped daughter and say f*** you the cops suck?
Yeah, I don't talk to them at all.
I don't trust them.
No profession in the world would survive if one single flaw was enough to condemn them. Should we get rid of doctors too? Some of them have purposely killed patients before.
I'm guessing your parents are felons?
I hope they quit. Everyone just would have their guns to self protect themselves. Evil people always existed and cops didn't yet people protected themselves without police.
Oh no no, no guns for you guns are bad remember?
I never said that. I'm 100% pro guns.
Then you are wiser then most.
For as long as soceity has existed, a policing instutution in some form has as well. So your comment is historically ignorant and your view based solely on irrational hatred.
@AlexanderAnttila: No, you're wrong. Government has always existed to punish evil doers after trial. Little scum bags "cops" didn't exist pretending to keep the public safe. Men depended on their swords and knifes they carried on their person to defend themselves and their family.
Have you read history? I have. So on what grounds do you claim that I am wrong? Even ancient societies in Mesopotamia had patrols of guards who acted quite akin to police.