You are 13. You don't know yet.
I don't know everything but I know some stuff feminine guy's aren't very masculine to me
That's is fine. You are on the right track when use the words like "to me". Your feelings and insights might not translate for others, but they are never worthless!
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Should we ridicule the guy for wearing the dress? No. But is he doing no harm? Also no in my opinion. This sort of behavior encourages men to different things such as becoming gay, trans, start crisscrossing, etc. If kids look up to this guy, they'll follow in his path, and as a firm believer of 2 genders (even hermaphrodites have either a XX or XY chromosomes) this would be a terrible influence.
That’s not how gay and transgender identity works.
Because you think being gay and transgender is nature while I think it is nurtured. Especially for gender, you don't get to pick. You are either male or female. Transgender people are just confused and feel as if they are a different gender, yet they will have defined chromosomes. You can't change that, even if you have both female and male genitals.
@dcblah58 yeah I agree, encouraging men to do things that aren't traditionally masculine is harmful and wrong. Every man has to be the exact same, big, tall, strong, sexually harass women, work in a factory or lumber mill or coal mine, and drink their coffee black because that's how real men act and if we don't force these pussy bois to man up then gayness and transgenders will spread like the covid-19 plague!! *sarcasm*If gayness is nurtured then how did it start? Did some parent just randomly say, "ima make my kid marry the same gender just to troll the whole village"? Shit doesn't work like that dumbass.They have do studies and found chemical differences in the brains of transgender people, so you're wrong.
@devilman666 It seems that my comment has stirred a vile reaction within you; therefore, I will not respond to or read any further replies. It should be obvious that the statement being transgender is nurtured is not defining intent. A mother does not have to intentionally do something good to have a desired effect for a child. Unfortunately this is true the other way around. I along with other scholars are unsure of why some psychopaths go on killing sprees while others do not (most likely has to do with family relationship but more research needs to be done). Perhaps it could be said that as a psychopath has defined biological differences, psychopaths are in nature; however, the same can not be said of transgenders. Factoring out other mental disorders, the studies indicate that there are no significant differances in brain structure. Hence why I believe in this being nurtured.Again, this is my OPINION based on research done by academia. Notice how I use words like I think... and believe... instead of something like This is...
@dcblah58 ahhh, snowflake, did I hurt your fragile little feelings?
@dcblah58 you are just simply wrong by the wayhealth.clevelandclinic.org/.../www.sciencedaily.com/.../180524112351.htmwww.the-scientist.com/.../are-the-brains-of-transgender-people-different-from-those-of-cisgender-people-30027https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01237-znews.usc.edu/.../www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5953012/by the way I just googled transgender brain differences and posted the top links I got. Admittedly we dont fully understand it and there are other studies that contradict this study which is why we know we dont fully understand it. However all of them seem to show that transgenderism has an impact in the brain, even if it isn't always the same impact, and definitely some other factors could play a part, but these studies have clearly shown that something is happening here beyond mental illness.
@dcblah58 not but its any of my business but i don't think you can encourages a man to be trans, gay. It's just something they are born with and if it encourages them to be who they want to be what's the harm in that?No one forcing men to be gay or trans if a man wants to put a dress on or kiss another man it's because he wanted to not because Harry Styles wore a dress in a picture.
Also if being gay and trans come from the way they are nurtured not nature why is it still really difficult for some gay and trans people to come out to those most closets to them who nurtured them?
What’s interesting is that no one really questions other cultures where skirts or skirt type uniforms are worn. It’s only in America where this is a problem or seen as anything but “straight.”
You are fine to go out with your man daily to a fine dinning restaurant , hang w friendsOr to meet the family yes? If that's yes then hey ok.
@dcblah58 I agree with you
Men and women have pretty much identical brains. But there are a few differences.One such difference is one found to have an extremely high correlation. Meaning certainty, and it’s one of the most certain areas of the brain that neurology has discovered.This area is a small group of neuronal clusters. In men, these clusters are twice the size as women’s.But in gay men, these clusters are the size of women’s. In gay women, they are the size of men’s.In transgender people, these clusters actually have varying sizes, rather than a uniform largeness or smallness.This is scientific evidence that is undeniable. I have lots of links to the studies if you want to see.Additionally, I have another site which shows the findings of thousands of cultures across the world studied from before recent times and today. Nearly every culture we have studied contains a small group of “transgender” people. Though obviously other cultures call them other things, it’s pretty much the same thing. And we find them in every culture except a very very few, who for example there is a tiny tribe in Africa who never knew being gay was possible.If anyone wants I got plenty of links directly to meta data studies on the brain, and there are a lot of factors that influence whether a person is transgender or gay. Also these same factors differentiate men and women as well.
So I think if you think being transgender is taught to kids, I think you’re probably wrong. And what’s wrong with being transgender? Nothing, unless you believe in the conservative interpretation of the Bible or some shit. Which literally nobody but them gives a fuck about, and has zero rational argumentation to justify itself.
Anyways I have my own view on this. And no, I’m not a stupid liberal so maybe you can listen to my take on it.I think society does indeed have a problem with masculinity. But I think I see it differently from anyone else and it’s my own shit I made up.For example, you see feminists get angry that women are portrayed as sex objects in movies. Ass and titties all over the place. Young girls grow up believing that they must be beautiful or suffer societal and reproductive consequences. So we shame the movie producers and the commercial tv ads.But that’s what makes women sexually attractive, biologically. What both men and women look for in other women, is beauty and the comparison of that.This is where I feel like I’m the only person who thinks this:Men face the same exact struggle, being judged by our sexual value, just as women do.But male sexual value is defined differently from women. It’s not just about our hulking muscles and jawlines.Masculinity is a sexual trait, just as feminine beauty is a sexual trait.
Feminine beauty lies on a spectrum, and so does masculinity. There is the socially negative side of masculinity, aggression, anger, violence.There’s the socially positive side of masculinity. Protector, leader, provider.All of these things are sexually attractive to women. Including the negative aspects of masculinity. Women are attracted to masculinity.What I think the problem with society is, that we have been teaching boys that being masculine is bad and evil, and discarding the positive side of masculinity.These boys then become unattractive to women. They become angry and hateful because they don’t understand why women don’t like them. And boom, now we have an ever increasing population of incels. And that’s where in my mind the problem lies.
Society doesn’t realize that masculinity is not just a provider or protector or leader. It is a teacher. Passing down principles which are based on values.And that’s where the conservative argument should come from. Conservatives rightly recognize that masculinity is about being a guide. Like jesus is the guy whose footsteps we are supposed to follow. He sets the standard, and we feel compelled to follow his standard.Jesus has power not because it was bestowed upon him by an outside force,Or because he’s big and strong. Jesus has power because you are compelled by the understanding of his example to want to follow in his footsteps.And that’s what masculinity is. It’s positive, it sets the example, it passes down cultures and modes of action which are beneficial to all who get to interact and be a part of that man’s life.
So basically we have generations of men who are afraid to be men. Because we are taught that men are scum, men are violent rapists, men are nothing but sex crazed animals. And so we are rejecting masculinity all together. Conservatives are trying to hold onto the positive aspects, but in my opinion they aren’t arguing it very well.The left is trying to destroy masculinity all together.Well that’s my response to the anti transgender people. Transgenders are not the result of moral corruption or the degradation of society. That’s nonsense. You’ve been brainwashed so much by the left that you craft these stupid arguments to combat them. And I think the right is just as blind and stupid as the left.
Have you ever in your life looked at someone, woman or man, and said to yourself (or perhaps others as well), "You know, that outfit looks silly." Or perhaps, "What was he/she thinking when they put that outfit on?"You needn't answer that; the question was rhetorical. Of course you have, as is true for your friends, family, and virtually the entire human race. If you're about to answer, "No, never ever ever ever in my life have I criticized someone for how they were dressed," then I'm about to call you a liar. No one I know hasn't, at one time or another, engaged in this behavior, myself included.Think back to those times when you did criticize someone for their outfit. Was it really a case of you lacking compassion? People *do* judge others on how they're dressed on a daily basis. It's that simple. Does this mean they lack compassion? No, not necessarily.Do I think people have a right to choose how they dress? You bet I do! Do I think people have a right to criticize how others dress? Do I think that people putting themselves in magazines have a reasonable right to *not* be criticized? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I will defend people's rights to criticize others, no matter how hurtful such criticism might be to the individual being criticized. If you value the maximum free expression, then you value the right to ridicule. Dante was quite heavy on ridicule. Sei Shonagon was big into ridicule.And while we're at it, do I think he looks awful in that dress? Absolutely. Is this a lack of compassion? No more so than the last time you thought someone looked awful in a particular outfit. Also, what we choose to wear *does* say something about our characters.
Blue max, that’s all fine and well but I can say that too about you and others who criticize him. I have a right to criticize you for your opinion of a man wearing a dress. But honestly, I’d rather not get into a word fight and instead ask people to think about their own views first. If you’re he’ll bent on criticizing a man wearing a dress then I’m down to challenge that view tooth and nail.
I'm no more hell bent on criticizing his outfit than you were hell bent on criticizing the last person whose outfit *you* judged. We both agree that you have a right to your opinion as I have a right to mine. We also agree, fervently I hope, that you have a right to criticize my opinion and I can do likewise. There's no question of that.The key question, which you seem to avoid, is this. How is anyone's criticism of him wearing a dress any less compassionate than *your* criticism of the last person whose outfit *you* criticized? I think it's absolutely no different at all. Your saying, "Good God, that outfit is awful," about the last person whose clothes looked awful is no more or less compassionate than my saying, "Good God, that outfit is awful."
And by the way, I *am* asking you to think about your own views. That's why I keep using "you" and "your" a lot.
The difference is they are strictly criticizing someone’s appearance and I’m criticizing someone’s attitude or way of thinking.
Forgive me, I just want to be sure I understand you.When you criticize someone's outfit, you mean you are criticizing someone's attitude or way of thinking? Or do you mean you are criticizing the attitude and way of thinking of those who are criticizing Mr. Styles?
I love this comment, thank you MzAsh, I prefer to wear a dress around my house and garden in the summer, always wanted to wear a school summer dress at primary school, much more comfortable, imho toxic masculinity is bullying of males who want to display feminine traits,,,
I swear he is such a man of gold n I dont either like seeing such judgmental controversies on him
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You;re a woman, of course its gonna be normal to you
My gender has nothing to do with it as there are plenty of women who would take issue with this as well as plenty of men, but life is too short to waste my life's energy worrying about what someone else chooses to wear or act as long as they aren't hurting me or someone else and to be clear, he or anyone like him, is doing neither. His "masculinity" or not has nothing to do with you and how you act right, so why do you seriously care? What in your life has changed or been affected because someone you don't know wore a dress?
No actually men’s rights groups are trying to take rights of women away. They think just because others are treated like people that takes something from them.
@Sweetheart666 I'm from northern Europe Denmark, where women's right have been drastic increased in a amount that even many women like me find the major benefit we women have now is close to embrassing, right now great political leaders get there future demolished , just for smiling to your women who loved there attention until , it doesn't suit them any longer, and they don't waste a time to place a dagger in the men's back. It's sick, but perhaps there are placed on our floor , where women don't get positive specialtreatment, and hard luck the future look to be us our future and certainly not mens
Your words are tired and misused. Stop wasting my time. You don’t see both sides and choose to throw one side under a bus while automatically sticking up for the other. Yeah hard pass on that.
@Sweetheart666 I'm aware that young generation big my gender can't be self-critical and certainly lacks any kind of realism and thinks everything is about it, this applies to both sexes, but must say that your reaction is unfortunately more the rule than the exception, that one rejects all criticism and refuses further dialogue if not too after one's own will, it will be exciting to see if there are many who are willing to speak only by word of mouth, or not the majority can face the realities. Hope you grow up one day and can see things from two sides
@Sweetheart666 ofcauce you can say my English is so bad it's hard for me to express myself correctly , that I give you , but to but me of on my opinion is pathetic
I don't think it's because of that. Just more of my view on things and how i observe in general. The majority of guys are masculine. Only a minority are feminine. But that can be due to the problem that some get bullied, made fun of, teased, harassed, etc. for being fem so they have to hide it.
Femininity has been celebrated forever. That's all that gets celebrated 24/7, that's why Red Pill exists. Red Pill is knowledge about female nature, and it's not disgusting. Red Pill is all about what you need to hear, and not what you want to hear.
Oh yeah im a women i forgot sorry my opinion means nothing. Why is a man waring a dress so threatening to your masculinity? Its not like he's telling you to put one on. If it really threatens your masculinity that bad it wasn't that strong enough to begin with.
O think he meant that wearing a dress is natural to you since you are a girl. Also he never said that he felt threatened in any way.
@ThisIsMyOpinion at least someone gets what i'm saying and be dumb
@ThisIsMyOpinion its perfectly natural for a man to wear a dress if he wants. Men have been wearing what's considered "feminine clothing" now through out history and it was deed as masculine like wearing a klit, rope, jewellery, wigs and pink for example. fashion evolves constantly with the times. Why are dresses all a sudden seen as a thing for women. The far right getting so upset about this shows there just as big as sown flakes as the left
"its perfectly natural for a man to wear a dress if he wants"How would you feel if a guy dressed like a barbie went to give a press conference in your company? Or a secretary of state talking to the nation?
@ThisIsMyOpinion if he identified as a women it wouldn't bother me as its none of business and doesn't effect me in the slightest. If he did it as a obvious joke like some men do id find it funny. Lol a man puts a fucking dress on and you all act like he's murder your mother or something. Who the fuck care bigger issues in the world to worry about
If he is a man and identifies himself as a man and uses a big dress in a meeting or for public speaking. How would you feel? What would you think of him? I am not acting like it is a big thing. But it is weird.
@ThisIsMyOpinion id be surprised but id keep my opinion to myself and keep a professional manner and show the same respect i would with anyone. I may take them to the side and ask why they are asking a dress if it was my friend but besides that I don't really see why people are making such a big deal out of it
by the way the way you keep saying in a business meeting and in professional situations etc put Harry Styles is on the cover of a fashion magazine not running to be the next prime minister. Fashion is meant to be abit out there and edgy. Fashion evolves and i personally think it's about time some peoples thought process did too
You are right he isn't. This was made as a statement. But to what? That men being more feminine is somewhat fine?
Yes, it's a generational issue. I'm old enough to recall how back in the 1980's questions like this were simply never asked, because it would have been seen as being absurd.
I would argue a lack of drive or protective\ownership instincts make a person less masculine.
@sadMeester lack of drive maybe, but protective/ownership not sure. I have guy friends who are absolutely not like that, and still they are masculine.
It's a manly way of caring. If something is mine I'd rather be the one sticking up for it than letting others work in my place. Be it my house, beliefs, or country.I feel like depending on women isn't terrible, but being a leech is in opposition to masculinity.
But we do tell people how to behave. All the time. That's why we have laws about public nudity. That's why we shun siblings who have sex, even when they're sterile. Be this clear. I believe he has every right to wear that dress. I believe in it so much, I'll die to defend it. However, I also believe in your and my right to criticize. To vocalize. To judge. Even negatively. Why do I think this? Because history is heaped with examples of ideas and art that were in their day considered hate speech, or at least offensive. Darwin, Dante, Shakespeare, Beethoven, all men who expressed their ideas and their hearts, were at times considered hateful and loathsome. Sometimes they were considered hateful and awful by the *majority*. Of course you have your right to criticize those who are criticizing Styles outfit choice. But their right to criticize it still remains. Does that make sense?
Didn't say they don't... Said maybe if people spent more time internalizing their own issues, flaws instead of always being in someone else's business maybe people would have the life or partner they want instead of not and blanking it on others instead of themselves
Shaming a man for wearing a dress because it is not “masculine” enough is toxic masculinity
But dresses are not really made for us.
I was sarcastic by the way if someone didn't realized.
Exactly. Females also didn't wear pants for a long time. But nowadays everyone has at least 1 good pair of pants.It's just clothing, people need to worry about actual problems.
Is there something wrong with your keyboard? Why the mix of capital and lower-case letters?
It's what you do to mock someone online...
Dude whoever this asker is, Harry Styles could kick your ass in a fight, he is 10x the man you are and he gets 10x the pussy you do. Get the fuck over yourself and go cry yourself to sleep.
So the ones who do not feel comfortable with wearing a dress are less of a man then?
No never said that just said dat men like harry deserve more of respect who step out of the crowd n do something like this... why is masculinity even a thing.. n wtf is masculinity
Masculinity is a group of traits that is associated with men. Like dominance, strength, stoicism, logical thinking, leadership, etc. Along with the attitudes related to those traits.
Pants also used to be for males. But now every female at least owns one good pair of pants.It's just a fucking clothing item.Find an actual problem to worry about.
Yes u are right they are just clothing items stop thsi stupid controversy
@Saturnxox And high heels were for men when they were created. But now they are used by women alone. You can use all we can. The opposite doesn't apply.
They have enough money that they don’t have any consequences.
You are right
Its not normal, but I'm also not throwing a ruckus about a bloke in a dress🤷🏻♀️