Nixon resigned so I disagree
@Jerkface4444 Sorry, I am not sure what you mean. He resigned and so that made him better or worse then Trump and/or Grant? The latter again typically rated by historians as the most corrupt.
Whoa! Hold on, now... This is a little too much truth for the average Liberal to handle, ya racist, sexist, straight white male bigot! (sarcasm)
Why would we want to do that? Trump was a great President.
@gotc147 Please define what you mean by "Great." I won't argue or criticize. I'd just really like to know.
@argyle Best economy in history due to his slashing of regulations and pulling us out of that joke known as the Paris Climate Agreement and renegotiating our trade deals.. Highest wage growth, highest wealth growth, highest number of people saying they were better off than they were 4 years ago. So many jobs that employers had to compete for employees instead of the other way around. Lower taxes, jobs brought back from overseas, record low numbers of illegal immigration, started up federal executions starting with a white supremacist.Finally getting tough on China, the UN and NATO. Moved the American Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, came the closest to normalizing our relationship with North Korea than any President in history.Finally started bringing troops home, finally got the ball rolling on peace in the Middle East and was the first President since Jimmy Charter to not send our troops into a new conflict.Trump was an excellent President. No he didn't fix every problem we have and he has a long list of personal faults but come on, he's one human who had to fight the swamp, the media, big tech and a whole lot of rabid ignorance among the people he was helping all at the same time.
@gotc147 Thanks. Like I said, I just wanted to hear your reasoning. Obviously, the data you're basing your opinions on is different than the data I'm basing mine on, so it would appear there's a path forward to being able to work together, if there proves to be a way to choose which set of facts are true and which are not.
@argyle I mean, I can easily prove everything I said is true and I can easily prove most of the negative crap about Trump's policies is not true.As far as personal stuff, few people defend Trump's personal side for obvious reasons, but in matters of public policy infidelity is of little concern.
@gotc147 Most of your points I've heard on Fox, which I watch, but I also watch Joe Scarborough and Nicole Wallace on MSNBC, both old school Republicans. I prefer MSNBC because I appreciate their focus on sources. For me, it makes them more reliable. The Washington Post's fact checking of trump is something I also find useful, and I hope future politicians will learn a lesson from that. If you lie, someone will make a record of it. What's trump up to at this point, 15,000 lies and untruths? That by itself is damned impressive.
@argyle That massive number doesn't raise a red flag to you? How many of those "lies" are statements out of context or simple matters of overpromising?It's not like the Washington Post is all that honest itself. Earlier this month they ran a completely fabricated story claiming that Richard Hopkins recanted his affidavit about the local Postmaster wanting to collect ballots that had no postmark on them. Not to mention they and the rest of the media constantly claiming that Trump refused to denounce white supremacists despite him denouncing white supremacists at pretty much every turn.How much of Trump himself have you listened to? How many transcripts of his have you read? I find that a big part of the problem is that people listen to what other people claim Trump said rather than listen to what he said himself.
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How was Obama immoral?
In Obama's most recent memoire, he directly recounts his strategy of using identity politics to win over minority votes, an approach which hurts us to this day. Obama also heavily utilized the drone program in the Middle East, and funded the insurrections of Gaddafi and whoever was in charge of Yemen before their civil war, which directly resulted in tens of thousands of innocent deaths
Also, if I may add, it was the Obama Administration that used the IRS to target groups - particularly pro-life groups - with which it disagreed. Mr. Obama was hardly pristine.My compliments on your initial answer. If anything, you showed a sense of history and perspective that seems to be utterly lacking in the public in general. A tip of the hat to you.
@nightdrot thank you sir! I try my best
@gotc147 Pretty much any of his tweets. I'm not here to convince anyone, so go look yourself if you wanna know.
Are you sure what he's saying are lies, and not that you're just being told they're lies?
@gotc147 No, I'm assuming. You're right. I can't know for certain about most of what he's saying, because I don't have insider knowledge. Some things have been easily proven to be wrong though. Usually in instances where something public was said, and then he claims something different or even the entirely opposite was said. And no, I can't give you an example. I haven't kept track of those instances. I just remembering seeing them, and seeing them disproven without a shadow of a doubt. You can take my word for it or not.
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