He will have no choice but to leave. We know he lost, he knows he lost, and widespread fraud didn't happen. That isn't the point. For this fucknut to gaslight his dumbass supporters is evil and dangerous. He is whipping people up into a frenzy for monetary gain (he has raised a shit ton of money from his cult followers) and to feed is narcissistic, sociopathic ego. He is also gonna be in legal trouble once he walks out the door. This clown is literally ruining our country. You can't even talk to people about this stupid situation because you don't know their level of mental illness and if they are gonna attack you over total HORSESHIT. It is a never-ending nightmare based on nothing.
Oh, my bad. I didn't realize you knew more than the Supreme Court already in order to make that decision. As for me, I'm gonna wait until they've been presented with the evidence, and then have the chance to decide. Hope someday you can forgive me for taking the Supreme Court's word over yours after they've actually reviewed everyone's claims and all the evidence is brought forth. And I'm literally laughing my ass of at you being afraid of those "dangerous" Trump supporters when there are an infinite number of violent riots, robberies, beatings and even murders for the last FOUR YEARS all committed by those who hate Trump so badly they can't function if someone has a different opinion than theirs. NOW you're afraid of violence because it might come from people who aren't on your side? LMFAO!!! Over 70 million pissed off Trump supporters and not a single city has been looted or burned from their peaceful protests. Weird how you're cool with people burning cities to the ground as long as they hate Trump as much as you do. Sure, Trump may or may not be in legal trouble. That's what I said. But it's not up to the court of public opinion to decide any of this. It's up to the Supreme Court, and it's ridiculous to throw out the Constitution of the United States and the laws that govern this land all because we have a strong opinion about what did or did not happen. If the facts disagree with Trump, then so be it, but WE don't know the facts. We know what we're told from our respective sides, and we believe whatever we want to believe. It's up to the Supreme Court to decide how to interpret the facts of this case, and how to uphold the law.
"Evidence." LOL. sure thing, dude. Every time they go to court, they getting laughed out of that court. You are either a troll or you are battling mental illness.
they haven't even begun to present all their evidence in court yet. haha. Or did your lamestream media lie to you again? Just answer me this one thing and I'll leave you alone. There are hundreds or even thousands of people who signed statements about what they saw. Those people are either lying or they are telling the truth. What do you think should happen with that many sworn witness statements? If you believe they're all wrong and nonsense, then every one of them is guilty of perjury and could/should be arrested. Not a single one has been charged with perjury. Interesting at all? Perhaps their statements haven't been presented in court yet? Do you believe we should hear the sworn testimonies of those citizens or do you believe their sworn testimony is meaningless because it contradicts what you want to believe? As I've said, this is not a case for public opinion so yours means nothing, no matter how badly you want to be a badass and know more than the people directly involved in hearing this case. Okay 2 things. Sydney Powell claims to have video evidence that they lied about the burst pipe in order to get rid of the Republican watchers. Do you or do you not think that evidence should be played in court and shown to be either real or fraudulent? Should America just take your word for it and refuse to see and hear any and all evidence because you say so? GTFO.
Dude, they are presenting bullshit, stringing people like you along, all to gain funds by hitting dopes up for $$$. Trump is a con man. When this is all over, you will feel like an idiot and you will disappear from this site or you will hang around, never admitting that you were suckered. I guarantee it. Then you will be stuck being a conspiracy nut for the rest of time. I just hope you never become violent. That's what we all worry about.
sorry but I'll never feel like an idiot for waiting to see the Supreme Court's ruling on this after they've seen and heard everything. :) That's the justice system, regardless of the outcome and it deserves to run its course here. It's actually kinda freaky that you think they shouldn't even bring this to court. You're literally telling me hundreds or thousands of people committed perjury but you have no evidence they lied. You want them locked up with a trial? Remind me who's the baddies again? And you're refusing to answer my question. Should that evidence be presented or should we just take your personal word for it that nothing bad happened because that's what the media tells you? Your court of public opinion has no power here and I don't appreciate your insults but I've come to expect them from you "tolerant lefties".
You are going to be VERY disappointed.
in the end, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the allegations have a chance to be heard and looked into and ruled on by a fair court. :) If they determine Trump's team is full of crap, then I can live with that as long as it's based on the evidence being reviewed. I will be disappointed if the person I voted for doesn't win, but I'll be more than disappointed if it's due to fraud and then covered up. That's why this has to be investigated. That many people have a right to be heard. (Not necessarily believed). I don't see how anyone can disagree with that.
There hasn't been any credible evidence, that's why. It's insanity. The FBI rigged it? Dead people voting? Hugo Chavez? Foreign countries counting our votes? Witnesses lying about stuff they saw and then admitting they lied? Illegals voting? Machines flipping votes? THER IS NO EVIDENCE!!! Recounts are proving it. Down ballot voting results have proven it. And every time it goes to a court, where it's illegal to lie, the lawyers say "we aren't claiming fraud." It's a bullshit money grab and you really need to wake up. Because when this ends and Biden is in office, I fear dumbasses will be floating bat-shit crazy garbage forever. This is setting a tone of craziness.
no evidence? So you're agreeing with me that there should be an investigation because there are literally hundreds of claims that constitute evidence in any court. Surely you wouldn't want those Trump supporters who you say are committing felonies to get away with it? So you agree this should be out of the hands of the public opinion courts, and into the Supreme Court for ultimate justice to prove your man Biden is innocent? :) Thanks. That took a long time to get you to say. Glad you're on the same page as Trump now, and welcome this investigation into the fraud (whichever side it's taking place on). Have a great day.
Is this guy lying and in on "the fix"?www.cnn.com/.../index.html
I thought it was illegal to buy LSD? Who supplies your hallucinogens? They're Top Notch!
Again, let's see what the S. C. says when they examine everything, k? How hard is that? According to you, there's massive election interference and fraud being perpetrated by Trump supporters, since they have signed statements which = testimony in a court of law. Can't pretend they didn't make those testimonies, so one way or another there is fraud here and investigations need to take place. :D You choose to let your opinions about Trump determine your FEELINGS about guilt or innocence; I'm just gonna hang out and see what the Supreme Court determines after they've reviewed everything. You can attack me all you want, but i'm literally just over here chilling on the side of democracy and Constitutional process, while you're trying to crucify people based on what you think and feel without seeing any of the evidence presented. Public opinion is not the jury in this case, nor should they be. Have a wonderful day. :)
how come both Bill Barr and Trump's own lawyer said there wasn't a shred of evidence, then?
Well said. Unfortunately, you just described an obscenely large majority of trumpers.
@loveslongnails Indeed. And how the fuck do we deprogramm several tens millions of brainwashed cultists?
I wish I had an answer.
@loveslongnails Me too...
@Evil_Chuck Yes, of course. That's the very first thing we always need to do. But it's not a solution in the long run. Even if we could ensure they lose the elections (which we can't), having a huge minority with that kind of deranged, dangerous cultist mindset, let alone bigoted and hateful, will continue to be a massive problem one way or another. Preventing them from winning elections barely even touches the symptoms. We need to get to the root and the cause of things.
It's very difficult to show, let alone convince people, that most "everything you know could be or is wrong", at least in a certain sense. It's a challenge these days to get any group of people to agree on what's a "fact" versus what's conjecture. Ignorance is the root of all bigotry, which leads to hatred, just as greed by some brings about poverty for many. This has been with us throughout recorded, and unrecorded history. How indeed, do you fix that?
@loveslongnails It's a phenomenon that's existed throughout history, yes. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But in regards the modern times, these past 10 years or so have truly turned in to a post-factual era. And Trump was/is the monster it created. This man lying to our faces in a way that has not been seen before.We all agree that politicians lie all the time. And some might argue that "at least Trump doesn't try to hide it". But that's not the problem. The problem is, someone like Trump takes advantage of this phenomenon of "alternative facts" and the idea that truth doesn't matter. He's been doing this for more than 4 years now, but these past few weeks were really intense.This man stands in front of a burning house and tells us it is not burning, while we're all right there watching it burn. And then there are some among us who will say the house isn't burning, it's just painted red and the evil mainstream media and "leftists" just wants to make us believe the red paint is fire. Because they are (and I cannot stress this enough) LITERAL cultists. They chosen Trump as their holy savior and everything he says is true. And when the house is in ashes, they will blame BLM or Antifa or something.It is very sad to say, but if they cannot agree on basic reality, there is no common ground for discussion. How can you choose what movie to watch together with someone who firmly believes movies don't exist, even while seeing one with their own eyes? These people brainwashed in the most literal sense. They're lost. I think we need to focus on the ones who are maybe on the fence, and on all future generations. But actual Trumpists. It's impossible.
*sigh* Unfortunately, you're spot on.
They also did not count the absentee votes that came in for tRump from Russia. Very unfair.
How ironic is it that such an unsympathetic and obnoxiously "alpha" personality is now playing the victim? And his supporters really don't have a leg to stand on. In the same breath they'll tell you that evil liberals are everywhere, but there couldn't possibly have been enough of them to legitimately vote Trump out of office.
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Aren't you the gentleman who didn't bother to vote?
Yup, but I have quite a few friends that did and many are currently holding on with both hands. They will not give us until they have to.
*up not us...
Hey down votes... Why am I getting down votes for stating the truth 🤔 people believe the earth is flat will I get down votes for that?
I think it's the inevitable backlash for you not voting.
And what evidence is your "belief" based on? So far, not a single court in the country has been shown any. Maybe you know something Trump's lawyers don't, or have something they can't produce. Hmm? They could sure use your help if you do.
@loveslongnails the last honest election in this country was JFK
Oh I see. You favor lies over truth. Congrats. You have failed life.
the man is staging a coup against the very democratic process itself
Oh great, the shittiest countries on Earth relate to how shitty we've become.
u're joking right? then again its YOU that is asking, so ofc u hate trump, ps: im european
Just vote, weirdo.
wtf do u even know about politics?
I know 10x more than your ridiculous, Portuguese ass.
hoooo, racism hein? typical libtard
"Portuguese" is a racist term now? LOL!!!
once again, typical libtard, racism is any form of exclusion, when u put a person in a certain group, and say that said group is inferior in some way, or mock them
then again the only thing u know is saying how much u like to be a slut, then tell me, why do u hate trump so much? isn't he a ladies man? or a mysogionist? u know, someone that treats women like sluts? isn't that what people call him?
But the thing is, I assumed you were a stupid American when I read your original post. Then it turned out I was only correct about the stupid part :)
ho yeah u forgot this too
Please behave yourself.
so wut u gonna pull my hair?
I'm starting to understand why people call Portugal "Spain's asshole."
Here's the misinformation train problem. Some Dems went straight for "collusion" from the start, which means that two or more parties were covertly planning illegal OR fraudulent acts. That would include "interference" in the election, which indeed was proven and hence, the Russian indictments. Regarding Mueller’s inquiry into potential coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians, the report said that “the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russia offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away.” It continued "“Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” This is why Trump claimed he was absolved of collusion. Mueller didn't have enough evidence to clearly state this, but he DID state he clearly felt he was lied to by Trump's cadre. That proved to be true when several were convicted for lying to the FBI, under oath. Forward to the bipartisan Senate Report that clearly found national security risks stemming from Mannafort's ties, and Roger Stone, to Russia and Wikileaks. Both men went on to lie under oath, were convicted, and pardoned or had their sentence commuted. Trump himself lied to the Senate committee about having "no recall or knowledge" of any communications with Mannafort or Stone regarding Wikileaks, or Wikileaks themselves. There were more meetings with Trump's campaign and Russian attorneys and diplomats in the weeks prior to the 2016 election, than the entire last 4 years of the Obama Administration. WHY? They're not our friends. To think Trump had "no knowledge" of what was going on, and he left it to Jared Kushner, is absurd. That is what the Senate committee not only concluded, but proved.
Funny... when it comes to the Mueller report and his conclusion not to prosecute but refer to Congress on obstruction, Republicans championed the "no evidence on collusion" part and disregarded the rest. They shouted "no evidence, no wrong doing" as loud and long as they could. They sure believed in the "lack of evidence" principle then. Where is it now when Trump has zero evidence to back his claims? Oh.. now it's "obvious and everyone knows" , despite nothing for evidence. The man is deranged, and proves it more every day. Hopefully his "party" will wake up... soon.
There’s hypocrisy on both sides. Evidence takes a while to accumulate tagged on with legal strategies. There’s been fraud that has been caught, but the question is if it was enough to impact the results, When one party has their candidate win, it was a fair election. When one party has threat candidate lose, it was rigged and fraudulent. It happens every four years. Why can the democrats do it but not the republicans? It’s beyond hypocritical. If there’s fraudulent activity, then let the courts decide. I don’t have time to read hundreds of affidavits, and verify them. But I don’t think that every single one of them is willing to commit perjury. Who are you to say what’s legitimate and what’s not when courts have t even come to a conclusion yet? You’re nobody and so am I. The elitist condescending attitude from the left is so damn annoying sometimes.
“Oh I hope his party wakes up soon”. I mean how narrow minded and bigoted to you have to be to possess such an inability to realize that other people come from different upbringings and cultural values other than yourself. I work in the engineering field and voted for Trump because he got rid of a lot of ridiculous regulation that held back a lot of our projects. He also allowed entrepreneurs to really prosper under his fiscal policy. In your mind, everyone who voted for Trump is an uneducated bigoted brain washed less than human being. Has it occurred to you that maybe we just have different perspectives on how to achieve particular societal and economic issues? Has it occurred to you that maybe some of us are educated and actually contributing members of society? How does one become so closed off to think that everyone who doesn’t think like me is wrong. It’s so cult like. There’s are a number of democrats I can respect such as Yang. People like you just associate every Republican to be bad and everything the democrats do are of the utmost moral standing. Give me a break. Most politicians are self serving and fuck us all over in the end. Whether it’s on the back end or front end. Fixated on so-called systemic racism when the world economic forum is making a massive power grab. How about how inflation will go up to astronomical levels by electing yellen. Americans are too busy being distracted by these circus games. I truly become astonished everyday when I have conversations with democrats who genuinely in their head believe they are better people on a quality and morale level simply because they are democrat. My god it’s so frustrating. In your head, democrats can do it- but republicans can’t. That kind of blind devotion to party disables free and critical thought.
Didn’t Clinton say that Tulsi Gabbard was with the Russians too? Just like they say Any Coney Barret was a white supermarket since she adopted two black children? I mean these circus acts are truly comical at this point. How someone with an average IQ buys into it is absolutely beyond me. I don’t understand it.
Do you truly believe in your head that the Republican Party is all evil, and there Democratic Party is pure and true? They’ve never committed acts of fraud or acted within self interest during the last decade? They’ve never manipulated or smeared? If you do, then you’re not worth my time tbh. Politicians from the left and right do the exact same thing, and it’s been happening for a while.
@Not_Average LOL. You are the annoying one. The Democrats did NOT say Trump stole the election in 2016. The sucky thing was he got 3 million FEWER votes than Clinton in the popular vote which is fucked up but just a tough break. Now Biden won the popular vote by over 6 million AND won the Electoral College and Republicans are whining like babies. We do need to change to popular vote for Prez. Electoral college isn't democracy. It's just stupid.
The democrats let this Russian collusion drag on for years. Literally every four years this happens. Everytime without fail. You don’t see a pattern? You’re the same girl that doesn’t even know what a dividend is and how that comes into confluence within stocks when you were trying to debate fiscal policy with me.Do you have to ability to posses an elastic sense of critical thought? You just repeat everything on CNN constantly on here. Do you understand that it’s human nature to act within self interest? So ask yourself what the possible motives are for the Democratic Party to try and destroy the electoral college. Ask yourself why they want to open borders. If they get rid of the electoral college, and open borders, then they will win every election because they’d offer enormous fiscal support for illegal immigrants and have them dependent upon their policies, thus building a consistent voter base. Do you not think this is a possibility? I ask these kinds of questions about the Republican Party all the time, and it keeps me actively thinking.
I don’t just blindly devote to a particular party. Why do you not have the ability to question the intentions of your own party? I do it all the time. Why not critically think through these issues, outweigh the pros and cons for every idea and policy, and then formulate an opinion by yourself. I don’t agree with every Republican politician ever. I don’t agree with every policy passed by the Republican Party. How do you rationalize in your head that your party is just 100% correct every time and the other side is evil. Like how do people live in such a warped sense of reality and possess such a strong inability to think for themselves. It’s astonishing to me. Literally everything that comes from you is CNN talking points and you’ve never once recognized any Republican that has done good for our country. Never recognized the other side. Not one. I can’t think of a single time. That tells me you’re biased and blindly devoted to this subscription of thought that CNN tells you.
Honestly, why am I the enemy to you? I love my country and want to see it prosper. I just have a different idea as to how to get there. You’re so blatantly rude towards me and every other conservative on this website. It’s quite obnoxious. Why can’t you ever just have a constructive conversation about the trade off within political policy, and maybe learn or teach someone something. It’s so snobby and annoying. I have democrats in my family, and we talk and have discussions. We all love each other. This elitist attitude that democrats like you have is just beyond obnoxious and immature.
People are not lesser than you because they think differently than you. So why do you treat them lesser? That’s the very definition of bigotry.
Please stop whining.
I wouldn’t expect you to be able to respond to any of what I just mentioned because it’s either A... beyond your comprehension of thought, or B... you cannot formulate a response in which you seize to declare winner within this conversation since you’re driven by emotion and your social priorities operate within a paradox of definitive extremities. There needs to be a superior and inferior being within any political discussion that you partake in. My significant other is a therapist and taught me that this is a narcissistic trait. You’re obnoxiously rude, and I wouldn’t expect you to possess the intellect to have a conversation that carries within any substance. Everytime you evade by saying some cheap remark acting as if you’re witty. You’ve blocked me before to get the last response too. I say all of this on the basis of how you treat others, not because your political affiliation. But sure, I’ll stop whining if that’s how you want to label it.
No. You are obviously a person dealing with some form of mental illness. I am going to block you now, for I fear that I am going to cause you to have a nervous breakdown if this asinine back and forth continues. Eat a peach, supercutebutt
Too much of your ranting smacks of "people like you", which is more hypocritical than the hypocrisy you wish to point out. And let's be PERFECTLY CLEAR about "voter fraud". So WHAT if a witness sees an individual event that is clearly fraud, perpetrated by a single person? How the hell does that get turned into "widespread conspiracy"? It doesn't. The total number of prosecuted voter fraud cases in the last 20 years, in the USA, is 143 !! The percentage of fraud in any given election is 0.00006. I never SAID all Dems were angels and all Repubs are evil... you put those words in my mouth. And yes, I DO think people who chose Trump after seeing his shit for 4 years, are indeed "deeply flawed" when it comes to character judgement and understanding the effects of his, and his party's actions, on everyday people. Sure they can be educated, and from all levels of education, but they all have the same flaw on this particular point. Some have it FAR worse than others because they resort to physical violence. The worst I'll do is tell you "I think you're an uneducated idiot on THIS subject". And talk about elitist and condescending? You win that prize easily. Now do us a favor and limit your spunky reply to a paragraph rather than a novella. We too don't have the time or inclination to read your thesis either.
We know. It's because he is a baby.
Or maybe because he’s realistic?
"Realistic" that he can lie about fraud that doesn't exist? If he had a case, the courts would be taking the "evidence" seriously. They aren't.
Because the courts are made up of mainly Democrats. And by the way some lawsuits have advanced! But no CNN and MSNBC don’t tell you that part.
No. many of the judges are Trump-appointed.
Lmao maybe in the federal courts. But not these state courts where the lawsuits are being tried.
They have lost every one of the lawsuits except one incredibly insignificant one. They are like 1-39 or something embarrassing like that. They are demanding recounts that are finding more votes for Biden. And that latest recount cost 3 million dollars to show that Trump lost worse than originally thought. lol. :)
Oh the Wisconsin recount? Yeah... they plan on throwing out tens of thousands of votes for Biden later
What Trump wants thrown out ain't getting thrown out. Every court in America is laughing at the lawsuits, as previously mentioned. I mean seriously, dude. You can't throw out votes because you don't like the candidate who got the votes. This is so fucking ridiculous.
jack9949 Give it up already, you are on the losing side.
Grover Trump will probably be in jail.The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court.The case is the latest legal twist in the waning days of President Donald Trump's administration after several of his top advisers have been convicted of federal criminal charges and as the possibility rises of Trump giving pardons to those who've been loyal to him.
there was 2 Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn. Michael Flynn didn't actually do anything illegal so he should've gotten a pardon. Paul Manafort violated campaign financing so he probably should've gone to jail. also Carter Page and peter struck over at the FBI will likely be going to jail same with james comie for there pfisa abuse and spying on the trmp campaign in 2016
Nobody "spied" on the Trump campaign. More bullshit that has been proven false.
No they were spying on the trump campaign trust me, William Barr appointed John durum as a special counsel looking into the origins of the Trump Russia collusion investigation the started with The FISA abuse where he found 17 errors and omissions in the fisa document not to mention the Christopher steel dossier was found to be completely incorrect. Not to mention James Comey interrupted the Hillary Clinton email investigation because he though she was going to win and then came out after new evidence was found to “try to make sure her election was legitimate”. In other words he was trying to get in good with Hillary Clinton to keep his job which is why no one trust the FBI anymore. There a lot of evidence that might put Carter Page James Comey and a few other memeber of the Obama DOJ in prison for a long time. Now we’re still waiting for more evidence to come out but this isn’t something joe Biden can just call off unless he wants to look corrupt himself there’s a lot of questions that still need to be answered but it’s not looking good for the Obama DOJ
You are twisting the truth...www.snopes.com/.../And Comey FUCKED Clinton, he didn't help her, by announcing he was re-opening the bullshit investigation weeks before the election. You know this. Stop lying please.
Yea I’d say that’s correct James Comey did fuck Hillary Clinton out of the presidency. The ironic thing is he was trying to get in good with Hillary Clinton once more evidence came out he felt like he needed to come out with the information. www.npr.org/.../barr-makes-john-durham-investigating-russia-probe-a-special-counselI’m not making a thing up now I’m not a non partisan I do lean more toward the right so maybe I’m putting some bias in my analysis but I’m not making up what I said based on the evidence we have
Your brain has been napping for 41years.
That would be almost 42. You forgot pregnancy!
She conceded the very next day, doofus. Kindly stop gaslighting or you will be blocked. :)
Another voice speaking bullshit. Even though she had millions more votes than tRump, she lost the electoral vote and accepted the loss immediately. So did the media.
r u a trumptard?