Don't you think communism is a dead idea, only china is Communist but soon it will also disintegrate like USSR. I am from India and Communist party of India is the most idiotic and stupid party they support those people or countries which are actually against India like Pakistan and china but I think communism will soon die after china disintegrate.
@r_sha communism left by itself will die within less than 5 years, they basically don't have enough money (my family lived through that short period), but it's the western countries who invested into communist countries that kept it alive, not to mention if you learn history, it's western countries that funded ussr and red china to gain control and take power. I recommend you read antony sutton's books about how the ussr was funded. Even in some videos of china uncensored, there are people acknowledged American companies like standard oil funded the ussr, which indirectly funded north vietnam and north korea while American soldiers were dying in the battlefield.There are many real history that only survivors know, and they are dying down with old age, and we don't dare to talk about it, because communists have their own internet/real life army, they'll start attacking you, exposing your personal life, and make life so miserable that you don't dare to talk about it anymore, and the world moves on with kids these days dreaming of having free stuff without working for it, dreaming of increasing tax for others but not for themselves.Let's make it simple, you wouldn't give your money to a stranger, why would you give your life, your rights, your means of self defense, your property to a stranger, or a group of strangers, and ask them to give you back ten times more for a life time? It's so simple on the street you wouldn't, but these kids who admire communism would give it to the government, which is basically a group of strangers you have no way of controlling them, or having them guaranteed they will give you back half of your original property. They just like the idea of taking stuff from people who have more than them, they don't realize when an omnipotent government takes, they will take everything from everyone.
@r_sha Did you know north korea export their labours overseas for working? After an amount of time the people will be sent back to north korea but the money is sent to the government. I even visited the country for myself, i signed up for the medium price chinese tour, not the fancy ones they showed westerners. I see kids working in construction sites, old men and women farming with their bare hands with barely any tools, and the whole city went dark at 7. It's like a ghost town, it was built for tourists, not for living people.It's sad to me that with Chinese growth started slowing down, western countries started investing in new communist countries like Pakistan and Vietnam, it will be like when China took over USSR's place. My family wishes that the world would sanction communism completely and let us people decide for ourselves, you will see how fast things change. Other than that, communism will never die, even after china, vietnam, north korea, pakistan, western countries always find a new place to invest.I heard that India has a communist party, some other southeast Asian countries had silently killed all communist party's members, they don't want to take the risks. You guys are taking a big risk letting them stay alive.
I think you are right but you know things which I never read or heard.
@r_sha yeah, not many knows about hong kong refugee camps for the vietnamese, or how the very last gold reserves of south vietnam was taken by American government before they withdraw (my teacher's dad was one of the soldier who transfer gold). We actually know america was going to retreat in the early 1970, before the actual announcement. But my family didn't believe it, so some of us stayed, which was the worst decision ever. Back then we thought we were just reuniting with our people, but communist are just devils, they are not human. Media doesn't want to cover any of this, leading to kids these days dreaming of bringing communism to their country but they don't dare to move to communist countries to live. :))
My replies were trolling but thank you for your opinion
@jennyfoxworth 5.56 does a real good job of handling vegan communists. Their days are numbered, were gonna have another 9/11 soon, despite us running out of Jihad's.
But there are really people here who actually just stubborn and don't accept history, fantasize and advocate the idea of communism. It is people like them that hurts people like me, normal working class.My dad reached junior high during the last years of south vietnam. He remembers students (esp high school seniors and uni students) advocating for communism, for free life, for social welfare. Those "freedom fighters" ended up dead or killed themselves after the system failed completely in just the first few months. Where were they when people like my dad got no food to eat?
Fantasizing about communism is fantasizing about a government killing for you, stealing for you, in the end you aren't even the one benefited. It maybe free speech for you, but study about the topic before actually be stubborn and spreads such deadly ideas for others. When you fight for the rise of communism, admit that you're fighting for yourselves, not for other, not for working class, not for students who look forward to a happy future studying at college, not for female like me who is willing to work extra and pay less. You're not even stealing for your children, just your own. I hope those communism advocates live a long life, have a lot of children, move to communist country like North Korea (from what I see they are the only one staying true communism nowadays), and I hope all your children get to experience full communism at its best like you have always dreamt of.Here I haven't even mentioned about Tibet, where China took over and killed all monks who just want to keep their religion, media is all about Muslims and Uighyurs. I get to know my current Tibetan friends from volunteering, many of them cross the indian tibetan borders on their foot, still holding refugee papers instead of changing into indian passport, because they want to hold on to their last identity as a tibetan. One of them was in a group of 5 walking for months without even knowing the way, just keepon going the opposite direction to the chinese soldiers. His shoes worn out so he used whatever he could find to wrap his feet to keep on walking. Many accidents happened on the way and he was the only one left reaching the borders, with his face full of scars from falling here and there climbing mountains and his feet completely ruined from the trip. Communism is good? Why does a monk willing to have half his body ruined trying to runaway from it?
At any rate, at the end of the day, the question answers itself. The theory has been discredited - except perhaps among young college students who cannot tear themselves away from their (capitalist produced) I-phones long enough to read a book as well as those for whom dogma spares them the exquisite torture of having to think and actually examine the evidence and the historical record. Suffice to say, a theory that reduces human nature reductio ad absurdum, that then vests absolute powers of social decision making in human beings who are not, at the end of the day, the way the theory says that they are, and then creates an economic system based on warped incentives derived from that flawed reading of human nature is not terribly promising. It is not too surprising that how it worked in fact is how it actually functioned.
Very informative, thank you very much!
Thanks for your very generous compliment. I am glad that you found it useful.
Thanks man for the videos! (don't pay heed to my first responses, I'm actually just trolling :D
Thanks for the downvote OP.What's the point of asking a question online, if you can't handle opinions you don't like?
"In a communist society the wealth produced would be owned and shared equitably"So what would be stopping someone from not producing wealth if they were guaranteed a share of everything."and as there is over-abundance produced"Implies that resources are infinite, which they are not."everyone can have all they want in living conditions and freedom"How would you distribute equal living space to everyone? Wouldn't that mean a single-story house for all? Wouldn't you have to demolish all cities because it would not be fair for someone to live in a small appartment on the 9th floor while someone else lived in a bigger one, if not a house, on the ground floor?"up to the point where it would limit others having the same"How would you deliver all products to everyone? Some products can't really even be shipped across the world without spoiling. That or some people would have fresh produce because they live near where it's grown/harvested - that would be unfair, no?"including the safety of the environment."Coming back to housing - you'd still have to harm the environment to sustain a society anyway."As communism is democratic, it is formed by the people who are part of it at the time"Formed by people who are part of it? In what way? Would everyone have to be in the government? How would people go about their daily lives and work, if they also had to take part in political discussion (which takes up all day)?
"so we can’t really guess the format"So then why are people peddling something that they don't even know how it would function?"people will choose whichever method of decision-making suits them at the time"That will still end up with a select few having power over others, which will bring in corruption anyway so we're no better off than under capitalism, except now yo do't even own anything."that working hours and conditions of work will be for the convenience of the workers"Work is not convenient - that's the whole point? A convenient work hour is zero. How do you arrive at convenient? There will always be people who will want to drag the total number down and down."education will be available life-long"How will teachers be paid? What if they also ask for short work hours? In that case, nothing of note would really ever be taught."so people have a chance to find what they are good at and enjoy doing."Wouldn't that end up with no one taking the menial jobs no one wants, like trash collecting and sewer cleaning?"Status can be won by social contribution"Wouldn't status imply privilege? What would status give?
"as money and the state’s enforcing role will become obsolete."So again, how do you have people work if they do not get anything in return? If you say that everyone would be provided with the basic necessities to survive, then nothing would motivate people to take really hard jobs, since they'd be guaranteed the necessities. And if there is no state, who enforces law and order? Who organises things between different communities? Who provides the jobs? Who votes on standards? Who would certify teachers and medics? And again - why would people work as either?"They've actually been brainwashed by capitalist media to think that."I'm from an ex-Soviet country. From everyone who grew up in the Soviet era, I know no one who had nothing negative to say about it."unjust police arrests and executions"lol implying they still don't do that to anyone who disagrees with the current system
I didn't downvote you though.
It seems someone's biased..I don't have time to answer all these questions separately. If you just want to make a point, write a MyTake
I was literally just responding to you. You can't expect to just be able to write an opinion and have no one respond.
Scroll Down to Read Other Opinions
I'm personally not a communist but it is indeed odd to still find them out there.
Those weren't real communists.
@ThisDudeHere I really hope your eyes will be opened soon. I have nothing more to say. I know they brainwashed you but what can we do about it?
I'm not the one who's brainwashed here
@ThisDudeHere Say that in the face of all of those who were tortured in the Gulags, and all of those who lost their families there. Say that to the victims of the Cambodian genocide, those who saw the murder of their loved ones by the hands of Khmer Rouge. Say that to North Koreans who cannot escape the hell they are living. Say that to the Chinese people living slavery in Chinese factories today who cannot escape or complain! How many millions more have you just discarded?
That wasn't really communism, just totalitarianism. Communism is about equity.
@ThisDudeHere Hey, trolling is a bad thing :') No need to make a mess to make a point.
ya figured me out? :D
@ThisDudeHere Trust me, you imitated their behavior very well hahaha!
glad to hear lol
Perfectly stated. You said everything I would have if I’d bothered to put much effort into my answer.
Communism would guarantee those things too
I don't know about a Republic, but rule of law, and basic freedoms and rights, 100%.
And that is a lie.If you are going to be communist, why not just admit to its failings? Every attempt at communist stops at a dictatorship.Hmmm. . . why is that?Do citizens have freedoms and rights in China? You mean in old Soviet Union and now. . . present day Russia, you can voice opinions about the government?Get real man.
lol I'm actually kidding dude :D Read my reply to that anonymous chick. So far, she's the only actual pro-communist that commented here (thankfully, I guess). Good to see that you're of sane-mind too, despite our other differences
Dude, I have never met a single communist. Even overseas, I never knew one. And I was in Russia for a considerable amount of time.
They're mostly on the internet, I guess
I guess. And probably much fewer than we are lead to believe.Don't get me wrong. I met folks who like Putin and liked the Soviet Union. But that was because of nationalism. Not because of communism.
Exactly. Though some of them, especially over here in Eastern Europe, have some nostalgic feelings for the USSR. I have to admit - just a few things were a wee bit better during it, like being guaranteed a home and a work-place - even if both sucked.
Stalin was not a communist. He just wore that badge for ease of a power hungry tyrant.
@kingofthellamas Isn't it how it always is. The State just makes slaves out of their citizens with communism.
@kingofthellamas in my country, communism was good and actually improved people's quality of life. My parents are neutral on Stalin.
@Ryfyle america uses private prison slavery too all government is evil. I know 2 people lived under stalin. one said he was best leader russia ever had other said he put the countries progress at expense of millions of lives. ONLY place communism worked is cuba. Communism a last minute option when rich get too much money. im a liberatarian personally. @JessieBellll where you from
@israelisevil Slovakia, formerly Czechoslovakia
@israelisevil Cuba been turned into tourist theme park. (https://www. cnn. com/travel/article/cuba-coronavirus-lockdown-tourism/index. html) Boomer Disney Land only exists through capitalist dollars. Communism is the only option when the Rich want real power. Standard Oil funded the bolsheviks. Lenin grew up without knowing poverty.