... that happens to be killing people right now because the flu has active vaccinations that they've had out now for decades, and isn't an illness that shuts down one's organs, but they're still trying to get a handle on the vaccine for Coronavirus. Until that time, no, it's NOT not worse than the flu.
@Ozanne Pretty much. And honestly, I'd rather get covid than be barfing and diarrhea-ing with the flu.
Covid destroys your Lungs, Kidneys, and white blood cells. You DON'T want to get it.We don't know the long-term repercusions of the damage it does to organs, which may be PERMANENT in some cases even if you survive it. Viral Pneumonia can cause permanent lung damage and COPD, and you could have organ failure, especially Kidneys, and you could have total immune system failure, and then die from the common cold evne if you survive the Covid.This is not a joke. My mother caught Covid and was hospitalized because of it, and I thnk I caught it back in March of 2020, and was the SECOND sickest I've ever been in my life because of it.You will cough your guts out over and over, and you may even cough up blood and chunks of your lungs if you get a bad enough case of it.Anyone claiming the death toll is over-exaggerated is a liar too. They are only reporting deaths verified by autopsy or blood test to be Covid cases, so if anything the real death tol is MORE than what is being reported.Masks have been shown to reduce transmission by 50%, not a "marginal" benefit as you falsely claimed. In terms of multiple generations of exponenetial growth, a 50% decrease in the rate of transmission adds up to a huge difference across several months or years.This pandemic is going to last several years before they get it under control world wide, and the Death Toll could exceed the Spanish Flu before it is totally under control. The virus is already mutating strains that MAY be somewhat resistant to the first round of vaccines, so eventually they'll need a 4 strain vaccine to give people enough immunity to the virus... just like the flu or bacterial phneumonia (23 strains).Anyway, you don't kno wwhat you're talking about, and only an idiot would want to catch this rather than the seasonal flu.
@Wade8888 Buddy, I've known middle aged men who have been hospitalized because of splinters. Just because <5% of people have bad cases of covid doesn't mean everyone else will. My brother had it and he was in bed for a couple days before going back to work. The survival rate is 99.998% or something like that and the only reason the flu has less is because it actually has a vaccine and we have an immunity to it already.Most people who get covid report to have been frequent mask wearers. A piece of cloth over your mouth and nose doesn't matter fuck-all when you're touching doorknobs and then eating a sandwich. And instead of people who are afraid of covid forcing things onto the people who aren't afraid of it maybe the people afraid of it can just stay inside themselves and let everyone else carry on with their business.
I think it's worse than flu. Flu don't have aftershocks
@Bratsondanielle Is "aftershock" a medical term, sweetheart?
Lol well no... it's to let everyone able to understand
@Bratsondanielle That's strange because I have no clue what you mean by it.
Probably means the lingering stuff... The weeks later troubles of breath and taste etc. Plus the stuff that seems to pop up months after the actual infection is gone. U know like aftershock. Come after... It's not that hard.The greatest country in the world where I live is currently doing a huge study on it.
In that case please accept an article with links to few studies from (another) planet healthline. com/health/cold-flu/mask#research
That's just flat out wrong. There are a number of studies into it that conclude masks should be worn.
@kingofthellamas fake news
Maybe a mask won't stop a virus but it will stop the droplet the virus is attached to.
@normnor which is exactly the point, and it always was. I personally feel that has been communicated far too poorly to the public. Lots and lots of people are under the impression that the mask is supposed to stop the single virion, which would indeed be stupid since they can be around 50 nanometers in diameter
It doesn't stop the virus it stops the spittle from entering the air
@kimbim exactly. That's what people ought to be informed of
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On the plus side, it will make the people who invaded the Capitol easier to identify.
And here I thought you had some wisdom, no wonder you are a feminist. Sigh!
Yup. Had a guy screaming because we told he he needed a mask
No one is holding a gun to Karen’s or Steve’s head forcing them to be at Target to buy that lamp shade at 9 am on a Saturday. But oh no, they’re “bored” so that’s why they came out, but don’t you dare ask them to put a mask on because “muh rights.” 🙄
Don’t confuse the doomers. They follow ScIEnCE
No one is telling you to wear a mask 24 hours a day. We're supposed to only be going out when it's necessary. So let's say you need to go to the store for 20 minutes. You leave the house, you get out of the car, put the mask on for the 20 minutes, leave, go back to your car, take it off. For the remainder of the 23 hours and 40 minutes of the day, you can breathe your fresh air. It's not a tall order.
Wow. I'm sorry to hear you sorry. Thanks sharing it. I hope things get better for you.
The vast majority of people who get covid don't have symptoms as bad as yours, you thick dimwit
Sorry to hear. Hope it gets better
@Stephen_77 How the fuck do you know that?
@Stephen_77 Mine were still in the mild-moderate category. Part of me wishes you'll get it because I doubt anyone will be able to reason with you until you actually suffer yourself.
I have natural treatments, so I'm not afraid of the virus. And like I said, the majority of people don't have symptoms as bad as yours, dummy.
@Stephen_77 a lot of people do, you twat. Stop making dumb comments you think dimwit. Watch less YouTube you moron.
@kimbim maybe you should give CNN a break once in a while, you god damn ass clown.
Maybe you should drink less you stupid twat fat ass
@msc545 Based on all the data and people's experiences, you brainless cabbage.
@kimbim But the majority don't, you brainwashed cretin.
@Stephen_77 yes they do you braindead British drunk
Oh wow British... damn
@Bratsondanielle. Yup. The laughing stock of Europe. Of course they technically ain't no part of Europe no more lol.
What's you mean? I thought English was Europe
@kimbim No they don't, brainwashed retard.
@Stephen_77 yea they do braindead drunk brit
@kimbim Well I'm afraid all the statistics and data is against you. Retard.
@Stephen_77 no they ain't you dumbass
@kimbim lol I love to see the part of the conversation that I haven't blocked yet lol
@Bratsondanielle aww you blocked me then unblocked me. That’s adorable
@Kingofkings1992 I'll try to translate her into more easily reading for you king. She means that she can see some of the replies, and just loves to know that what she can't see is not even remotely interesting to her. I cannot explain it more simply so I hope you understand. Otherwise we'll have to have dawsonnata elaborate further for you. Oh and by the way she can't see what you tell her u know? Surely even you understand that if you use all your brain. You can close your eyes if it helps.
@kimbim Sure thing Kim Bim. You are an incompetent moron. Have fun being a Simp
@kimbim @Kingofkings1992 I obviously have no idea who it is since I can't see it. It isn't the king of spades here thou.Anyway how are wife and son kimbim? Dogs and house? Do you still drive that purple mustang?
Hey. Wife and kid are both fine, and yes, I'll drive my mustang gt until it falls apart. I love that car. Bought a new truck for the wife though. We still have the same house yes, but we are actually looking to buy a new home soon. We found one in the country, and it's 300,000 dollars which is what we have. We're gonna sell the apartment we own in the city.How are you guys? by the way I think it's probably Steve from British countries you block. I just thought it was king of spades but they are aprox equally intelligent so...
@kimbim u mention Steve 77 few times framed by block bars so it's probably right...Yeah were good. Still in the same house. I didn't get the demon but I got a ram lolBut we're good. Busy but
@Bratsondanielle yeas stebo GB pyramids pilot illuminati flatearthers yeah... twat..But good you are good. Take care
1. You don't wear a mask to protect yourself. You wear a mask to proty others from you. 2. In my country currently 1000 per day are dying from it. That's not trivial.
@kingofthellamas Read the comment again, and with better focus this time.
My numberings are not meant to marry yours. Mostly because your argument is articulate but lacking in scientific grounds.
Think of science as a house built on sand, not a solid foundation. Facts do not exist in science, relative truths do. By treating science as if it's a religious book, you are doing science a kind of disservice.
Too many people misuse the term "selfish" that it's worth breaking things down this way. Because many a person calls something selfish as a means to emotionally manipulate you to do what they want
@rjroy3 Um, no. Manipulation is just manipulation. Selfishness is selfishness (root word of 'self'). Here's the definition of 'selfish' from Merriam-Webster: 1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of othersa selfish acthttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/selfishThere's nothing in there about getting people to do something you want. It's about doing something only *you* want.
@Ozanne the "without regard for others" means uo to the detriment of others. Which is what I'm talking about.People often say selfish just because it's something good for you but doesn't benefit them even tho it doesn't hurt them. They do so for the most part to manipulate your emotions to get you to do what they want.And yes people just call something or someone selfish to manipulate. Is that true in all cases? No. Does selfishness exist? Yes. Never said it didn't.You may disagree with respect to not wearing masks being selfish or not. But you have no argument regarding my point that oftentimes people use shame to control others. This is a known reality.
All caps huh. Wow. Lol
Choosing to not wear a mask means you are choosing to not help control the spread of the virus. That's selfish in most people's view.
@kingofthellamas uhmm... yes...
Yes sure. If the only person you could hurt was yourself, I wouldn't care. BUT it's fucking *contagious* which means you can infect, sicken, and kill others. Your rights END when you can do this to others through your own goddamn selfishness.
@msc545 you’re overplaying the severity of the virus. There is nothing scary about 99 percent survival rate.
uh huh. Tell me that when you are on a ventilator. We have 300,000 DEAD people, idiot.
@msc545 yeah I’ll let you know when I’m on the ventilator. 😂 Most of those deaths are just people that died with the virus, not from it, you god damn sheep.
Oh sure, Doctor, you are the expert. Fuck you.
@msc545 you can't argue with these idiots. Their low IQ levels are too much to handle and they just regurgitate whatever narrative they heard on YouTube
@dawsonnata says the girl who regurgitates everything she hears off of CNN. You are clown.
@Kingofkings1992 I'm sorry for being such a clown. Here is a piece I wrote. Covid compared to mers and SARS, the previous novel Corona viruses ↗Show me some of your genius work oh king of kings
@dawsonnata oh yes. You’re so educated and so intelligent. I just pale in comparison to your superior knowledge.
I'm glad you know it. But you know it's never too late to educate yourself right
@dawsonnata oh sweetie you don’t understand sarcasm too well, do you? I’d be willing to bet my whole bank account that you don’t know the first thing about supporting yourself or being an adult in the real world.
Well if I told you the truth you'd just say "yeah you're making it up " so I can't really win can i
Agenda 2020/2030 Etc. Not a thing!!! ↗Here is a piece I wrote in like 15 minutes using half my brain Let me see some of your work
@dawsonnata some of my work? Lol. I’m not a student. I’m a man that supports himself and a baby girl. I also don’t feel the need to validate myself to some random person on the Internet, because I’m not insecure unlike you.
Did you even read that stuff I linked you to? Do you seriously think you're smarter than me? Like really dude? If I were insecure I probably wouldn't write WORK like that and link "omg I'm a real man I work " like you to it u think? So what if you work. I know a dimwit who works at taco bell too. Maybe you know each other
@dawsonnata I never said anything about being smarter than you. You were the one that claimed that. Which I seriously doubt. I’m done with this back-and-forth. Have a nice day
U too sweetheart. Take good care.
@dawsonnata this reminds me of a video on YouTube where a guy "professor dave " debate flat earthers. It's also hilarious.
@kimbim lol thanks. Yeah like I was telling our mutual friend @Bratsondanielle I'm sometimes considering to ditch this platform/forum again. Joined on a whim and it seems to have some of the dumbest people alive and they somehow all suffer from the dunning Kruger effect too... but I'm happy you're amused thou
@dawsonnata funny. I feel the same way
@dawsonnata. You don't have to ditch it all together. Just block the dumbasses!! @Kingofkings1992. You should have googled dunning Kruger before commentingPeace
@kimbim I personally think the Dunning Kruger effect should be taught in high school. The people we see today, who are completely and utterly worthless and clueless, yet still express their weird ideas with utmost confidence would be limited a bit if we did teach the Dunning Kruger effect in say 10th grade
@kimbim @bratsondanielle @dawsonnata fuck you all. All of you are a bunch of brainwashed delusional morons who are about as useful as a shit stain inside of toilet.
A toilet *
I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we think the same of you, and people like you. People who are like you, are a cancer in society. You are utterly uninformed, low intelligence, short below average educated, but somehow (Dunning Kruger) you still think you are smarter than people like me and @dawsonnata who is obviously highly educated and very intelligent (much more than me too) . Sorry for being so honest with you
@kimbim that’s cool 😎. You don’t have to apologize for being honest, I’m not a snowflake like you. You don’t know anything about my educational background. Just because I don’t think the same way as you, doesn’t mean I lack education or intelligence. Now THAT is having an exaggerated sense of one’s intellect. Oh yeah, she’s so intelligent. She’s getting a bachelors in general studies. Lmao.
You're right!!! Agree!!! I don't know either of you!!! But I only have to read your posts to know who is the bright one.
@kimbim that would be me. @Kingofkings1992 you do realize that coffin makers can't keep up with demand, we make ventilators out of everything and wherever we can, people are dying in the many thousands, morgues have refrigerator trucks out back to store excess bodies? @msc545 you see what I mean? We're up against the impossible!! These people are... dumb as a doorknob excuse my French @Kingofkings1992 you think differently that's fine, but do you realize how, if you want to convince others that you are smart and educated, talking about toilet stains and saying f... you , is not really beneficial to your goal?
@dawsonnata Yeah, us sane people are just impossible to deal with! OK, Miss self-proclaimed genius. If you were really as smart as you think you are, you wouldn’t feel the need to flaunt it over the Internet to a total stranger. Yeah that just screams confidence and self-assuredness, let me tell you.
@dawsonnata Oh, one last thing vulgarity and intelligence do not pertain to each other at all, but nice try
Ok whatever... you are smarter than me.. I admit it...
@dawsonnata @Kingofkings1992 it's true. Calling people dumb cunts 6comparing them to stains in a toilet is actually proof of an IQ above 109. Professors and teachers and doctors talk like this all the time. You are a genius @Kingofkings1992Tell us, wise wizard, what is this disease? It's a conspiracy, right, I knew it!!! Dr fauchi that dr evil is faking the pandemic to inject us with a microchip from bill gates right?It couldn't be put in the normal shots that everyone gets all the time, so they had to make this covid cover up. It's necessary for the lizard people to be able to fly in the pyramids above the flat earth right. Enlighten us, highly intelligent @Kingofkings1992
Most intelligent people don't use profanity or abuse in most sentences, that's objectively true. Regarding the "sane" comment, if most people nowadays are "sane " that's not much of a compliment. Regarding the lizard people, I hear they want to fly up between the moon and sun which circles over the earth and punch a hole in the dome
@kimbim it's microchip. Bill Gates want to track us. The cellphones and credit cards are not enough. Currently they are working on the countries that are making the vaccine non mandatory cuz they can't track all of them
And the writer of Simpson's is a 36 degrees Scottish free rite freemasons and he predicted all of it. Look we are super intelligent... we just think different.. lol
@kimbim Well I guess every person who has ever said a cuss word is just utterly unintelligent! Great logic pal👌. Another point, Why are you people still commenting? For a group of people who claim to be so highly intelligent, it’s kind of amazing that you’re unable to discern at what point a conversation becomes redundant.
Uhm then y are you still commenting lmfao
@dawsonnata cuz he's stupid
You must be a left wing libtard
Totally ridiculous analogy 😂
How so? Not wearing a mask can kill or injure others, and driving drunk can do the same.
Seatbelt won't prevent pedestrian from being hit by car.If seatbelts work why airbag? If airbags work why speed limits?
Masks reduce the viral load if someone with Covid coughs or sneezes in your face. Reduced viral load is predictive of milder illness even if you get it. I realize nobody including apparently, you gives a shit about others, but if you know it might partially protect YOU maybe you will consider wearing one.
@msc545 bravo !! Couldn't have said it better!!
Covid conspiracy ↗
Are you sure, sir? According to www.cnn.com/.../index.html covid has killed more people than car crash, stroke and suicides combined.
And according to injuryfacts.nsc.org/.../ pedestrian incident had five-times higher risk of death than car crash, which should still make less than covid.However your information seems interesting and would be delighted to read more about it, would you be so kind and provide me with a link to an article where cars kill 1000× more people than covid did?
Are you sure, sir? According to www.cnn.com/.../index.html covid has killed more people than car crash, stroke and suicides combined.Maybe in ONE year. But that is ONE year. Car crashes and accidents have been killing people for 100 years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.I don't hear anyone accusing people who drive cars of being selfish. In my 65 years on planet earth I have NEVER ONCE heard that.And that would also include anyone who drives IN a car, because aren't they being selfish too?
Don't those drivers need to follow a set of government issued rules? Like speed limits, airbags, seat belts, lights, driving without drugs or having a driving license? Wouldn't there be more deaths without those rules?Why do some people feel they don't need to follow a similar set of rules created to limit deaths due to covid?
Because driving a car on a publicly funded road is not a right, it's a privilege.Breathing is NOT a privilege.
What about those poor doctors who must wear a mask for a whole day?Do masks prevent their breathing as well?
No one is required to be a doctor in the United States. Being a doctor is a voluntary activity. Breathing is not. The government has no authority to regulate a citizens right to breathe unimpeded in any fashion they choose. Breathing is a right given by God, not by any human government and no government of man has any right to regulate it.
And doesn't bible say to think about others before ourselves and to protect the weak? Is there a better way to protect others (weak) than by wearing a mask, which limits the amount of droplets one spreads around?"Do not seek your own good, but seek the good of your neighbor." -- 1 Corinthians 10:24"You shall love your neighbor as yourself." -- Mark 12:31"Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility regard others as better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus." -- Philippians 2:1-5
God granted human beings the right to choose their own actions. To arrogantly assume that you are so morally superior to others that you have a right to impose your choices on everyone else betrays your dictatorial ambitions and agenda.
Titus 3:1Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.
I am far from perfect thus I want to listen to the reasoning of others, to get to know what they based their opinion on. That is the whole point why I ask so many questions.Shouldn't that be the point of discussions? Not to "win" but to "understand better" opinions of others and to present each other with your reasonings?
Lol. Great point
Lol comparison made me laugh so hard. Gas Chamber lol. Not quite the same as spittle spray with virus clinging onto
its not about righteousness its about not wanting to die bc of dumdums._.
I think your mosquito an metaphor has in it a missunderstanding. Its not about the mosquito getting in to you, but rather the virus / mosquito getting out. The mask reduce speed and so how far you exhale with the virus/ mosquito can travel. It's that actiin that makes mask werign work. Will a mask stop you from getting covid? No. Will a mask stop covid from leaving your body? No. Will it reduce how far the virus can travel from you, yes.
Lol, no we wouldn’t. Sweden didn’t do either and they’re done with it.
@joeldalton this made me laugh so hard. That anyone can be this uninformed is astounding. Sweden is currently shut down almost completely. The United states embassy in Stockholm is operating on the lowest possible "emergency mode" and most countries in Europe, although opening up to each other, remain closed to Sweden. Sweden isn't "done" on the contrary they are in a world of hurt. And yes, Sweden currently recommends wearing a mask when you are in public. And yes.. if you don't you are selfish. You risk your fellow citizens and you drag the pandemic out even longer than necessary. This is why it's recommended as anyone with above 97 iq could automatically guess I'm not sick so no worries, uneducated people say. Well you could be asymptomatic and yet still spreading the virus. Japanese people, especially in Cities like Tokyo, have worn mask forever. When I first visited tokyo I was actually a little surprised when I got off the nex (Narita Express) and went upstairs at Shibuya station and saw like 3 or 4 in 10 people just wearing mask. (Long before covid-19) But it's of course no big deal right? It's a piece of cloth you wear over your mouth. It's probably a bit annoying to smart office people but tough guys are not bothered I'm sure
Whether you think they're a hoax or do nothing to protect you what do you have to lose? If they really do work you're protecting yourself and others and if they don't work then you'll be inconvenienced at the most 🤷
Do you wear goggles when you go out in public?
This is the thought of sane people yes... let me watch whatever stupid video joe put up. So I can report it on YouTube for misinformation
@dawsonnata haha, you loser.
@joeldalton stupid question... so 37 minutes joe? How much YouTube do you watch? And wtf this guys accent lmao
@dawsonnata you’re right. You did have a very stupid question. Sorry your brain can’t focus that long.
@joeldalton I'm not gonna watch the whole 37 minutes crap doesn't mean I'm a loser... uhmm. and you shouldn't really talk... joeboy
If you call glasses goggles then yes, I wear them when I drive at night. Not only bc it helps me see signs but I keep others safe by not riding too close behind someone or swerving. So what's your point? If someone said there was a viruses that for some reason goes for the eyes then yes I'd wear tf out of those google bc again what do you have to lose?
This guy is so stupid... never mind him... hea too dumb to understand even this simple thing
go check out my piece here. I did that on speech to text using half my brain while I was doing other things. Turned out pretty good anyway Covid conspiracy ↗Which reminds me where is hostiletakeover Joey? U said he lives in the trailer next to yours right?
Covid can be transmitted by your eyes. Your eyes are a gateway for the virus. The CDC has said this and recommends you wear goggles in public.What we have to lose by forcing everyone to wear a mask is our societal cohesion. It’s a dangerous precedent to start viewing everyone in your community as a potential threat to your health. Human beings are social animals. We pick up on visual cues (especially children) by looking at people’s faces. Wearing masks makes you more susceptible to suggestion and compliance to authority,. (See study by Mathes and Guest 1978). Anonymity (like wearing a mask or being online) leads to antisocial behavior. Lastly, most people only wear a mask because there’s some government body threatening them if they don’t wear them. They don’t really believe they help in any significant way.
@joeldalton let me help you understand. You can GET covid if the virus gets into your eyes. That's logic for high school graduates. Virus get in your eye can enter your body. Your eyes doesn't spray it thou. You should find someone with a 12th grade c average or higher to explain when you read complicated things like this joe
@dawsonnata I never said you spread it to others through the eye, dummy.
@joeldalton so what is it you don't understand?
I can't name a single person being forced to wear masks. Many accomedations are made for people so they don't have to go inside public places yet people are throwing hissy fits about not being allowed in if they aren't wearing a mask. If you don't want to comply and feel like you don't wanna wear one, then business have the right to not serve you. No shoes, no shirt, no masks= no service. Also covid aside, everyone in your community is a potential threat to your health.. ex STDs. Also also, we use more than visual cues. It may be harder to understand bc you can't see them but as I said I wear glasses, yet people can usually read me without seeing my eyes or mouth. Listen to their tone of voice or body language, Even eyebrows are a good indicator
@dawsonnata I don’t understand how you can still double-down on the bad science that says lockdowns and masks work despite significant evidence to the contrary. I don’t understand how you so willingly give up your freedom to a government that doesn’t give a shit about you. I don’t understand how you can fall for Chinese propaganda.
You're right it is hard for uneducated people to understand
You’re being forced to wear a mask if you live in a state/country that mandates them. Australia and the UK actively arrest people for not wearing them. Do you think people who’ve had both doses of the vaccine need to wear masks? Do you think people who’ve had covid and have antibodies need to wear masks?
@joeldalton joe oh Joe... it's a pandemic... itll go away joe. It's a temporary state of course... it's viral spread measures that we must do to protect us. It's like SARS and mers remember?
@dawsonnata exactly. Because you’re pretending you’re intelligent but you’re being made fool of.
Unless you live off the grid you aren't free. If you pay taxes or have a social security number you aren't free. Fact is people are dead and still dying, and AGAIN what do you have to lose?
@joeldalton ok... this is dumb ... so do you think you have a higher iq than me? Joe?
@dawsonnata If you think that governments haven’t learned how easy you are to control with fear, you’re even more foolish than I thought. But you bring up a good point. When is it “over”?
I’ve told you what we have to lose as a society.
@JackieJaii exactly. I've been trying to explain this to joe but he's a little thick headed. Suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect (everyone knows that I'm sure)
@dawsonnata you’re projecting again.
Let's look at it from his POV. Say today all lockdowns and mandates were lifted and masks weren't required what would happen?
@joeldalton remember SARS and mers and mad cow and bird? If you close your eyes and use all the brains you can I'm sure. Same thing this time. It'll end eventually. You are so informed that you lecture on Sweden. I'm sure you also follow on Denmark. They recently locked down hard again because hospitals were in deep shit and the numbers dropped immediately. Ofc this is propaganda right joe
@joeldalton oh you mean assuming you knew dunning Kruger? Isn't it high school curriculum?
@JackieJaii first of all I'd stay the hell home (do already) and the numbers would explode, flooding the hospitals, hospitals would break down, people like me would live and dumb uneducated people would die... come to think of it joe... it's probably not a bad idea
1) A good portion of people would have natural immunity to Cov-2 due to exposure to other coronaviruses2) People under 50 who did get infected have a 99.97% survival rate (or higher).3) We’d eventually achieve herd immunity.(which was about 60% of the population before fauci started playing with the numbers)We haven’t seen cases go down anywhere with mass lockdowns and mask mandates. We have seen the opposite.
@dawsonnata aw and here comes your true nature. You care so much you wish death on other people. the epitome of hilarity. You should take that act on the road. But you don’t leave the house.
@joeldalton oh you haven't seen the Danish numbers? Thought you would since your Sweden comment made me think you were informed. But yep they dropped significantly (went down) I'll try to explain the rest of what you misunderstood;99.97 is the total population not the infected Heard immunity is a good idea. The catch is the number of ventilators needed would be more than we can do Yes the body to a certain extent knows the Corona spikes but far from the point where people who had ie SARS are even a bit immune to the novel Corona virus
The people who are infected under 50 won't have as high as a survival rate of they have underlying conditions and a New Zealand has been covid free and even lifted their mandates due to no new cases bc people followed them
@JackieJaii exactly. The place where it all began is pretty much the same. "Done with it" as joe say
@dawsonnata 81% of infections don’t require any medical intervention. They’re classified as mild to moderate. Vitamin D deficiency is correlated to severe covid-19 cases. Vitamin D supplements are cheap and readily available You like to bullshit, but I’m 100% honest. If there wasn’t the scare tactics going on, most people wouldn’t even know they had covid 19 (or care). My infection was mildly annoying at best.
@joeldalton I think you're right about the 80 aprox I think... I mean I know 10 people who had the Chinese virus and 1 had very severe symptoms and got steroid and shit. One was really sick and the rest were "fine"So for once we might agree. But think if one in ten people had to go to the hospital!!So not mocking you or whatever... if it's not like they say it is then what?Don't give me control or illuminati please...What do you seriously think? I'm genuinely interested
@dawsonnata They’ll do this again. And again. And again. At the end of the day it’s about control, not a virus. They won’t have learned anything. The government wants despair so it can enact policies to control the population and waste tax dollars. We just saw a “covid relief” bill pass that shuttled billions to foreign countries (which gets funneled back to our politicians’ pockets) As I said... we could have started this pandemic stressing exercise, vitamin D, (along with Zinc, Vitamin C, Quercetin) and getting sunshine. Basic hygiene. Stay home if you’re sick (and I agree, we need protection for workers so that there’s no negative consequence for staying home)Fauci, the WHO, and the US Surgeon General told people to not wear masks. The WHO’s pandemic response recommendations in 2019 was specifically AGAINST locking down. You’ll counter (of course) with SCIENCE CHANGES!!! But Mask technology didn’t change. Virus transmission didn’t change. The lockdowns have caused immeasurable misery and despair. Suicides are up, a generation of children is falling behind academically. NY public schools don’t even know where thousands of its students are. Drug and alcohol abuse are up. 1/3 of small businesses are closing forever (while multi-national billionaire companies are making unprecedented profits).And I’ll say it again, our society is deeply changed for the negative as a result of seeing your community members as active threats to your health. You see people losing their shit in grocery stores and physically attacking others for not wearing a mask. Really? You think this is a healthy society (mentally)?
@joeldalton as much as I hate to disagree with you.. . .. I must say you have a good argument there and I can't really shoot you down But the fact that i say this ( reluctantly- my first thought was to simply not reply) show you that writing like this instead of your normal dip-shit cunty style gets you way further Anyway... what do you think we should do?I'm serious if we just open up and play "covid is gone" we will kill our hospital system within weeks or months At least you agree the virus is real which puts you way ahead of hostiletakeover wherever he is. Do you agree that the novel Corona has a worse effect on respiratory than SARS?But now let me know what you think we should do?(Seriously-not mocking you now)
@dawsonnata Florida’s hospitals aren’t overwhelmed. They’re mostly open. They have an aged population, even. I don’t know that I buy the argument that the hospitals would be overrun. Yes, we hear news stories of “full ICU’s!” But ICU’s are generally full anyway. It doesn’t make good financial sense to have ICU equipment sitting idle. We see ventilators aren’t really working. So I would ideally open everything. But short of that we do the following: 1) Protection from lawsuits. No business should be liable if you catch covid in their establishment.2) Open the schools. In person. 100%. I just read a study that found minimal transmission within opened schoolspediatrics.aappublications.org/.../...090.full.pdf3) Be honest about the risk to people. If you’re over 70, yeah might be a good idea to avoid large crowds. Mandate ventilation upgrades in nursing home and long term care centers. Rapid testing of all visitors and staff of those places where the vulnerable are.4) Stop mass testing. We’re getting nowhere with it, other than a daily barrage of doom.
5) Open all businesses. There’s no logical reason for a walmart to be allowed to operate but your local restaurant can not.6) Stop with the arbitrary masking. There’s no medical reason for healthy people to wear masks. Sorry to be contrary but no definitive studies have ever found asymptomatic spread being the causes in any virus or pandemic. (And yes, I’ve read the CDC “models” that project asymptomatic spread is in 60% of cases... but models aren’t really the way we should be running this pandemic, they’ve been wrong all along). If you were asymptomatic with the flu in 2019 you would have told me today that you were healthy and didn’t have the flu that year. Now we’re calling asymptomatic people “super spreaders”. And no one can honestly say that the walk from a hostess stand with a mask on to remove it when you sit down is preventing any infections.7) Again, re-emphasize overall good health, the supplements I mentioned earlier. Get outside, get sunlight and exercise. Eat less McDonalds and more vegetables. This is stuff that could have prevented deaths overall
@joeldalton well it sounds like a dream scenario for sure. How ever much I'd love to have it happen I still don't know if it's a good idea. You have looked at Sweden at some YouTube and I didn't watch it no, but do you know Denmark? A tiny peace loving social democratic country on top of Germany. Neutral in most wars and genuinely free from anything and everyone. They started by just social distance and sanitizers and the thing you want pretty much. They refused to lock. Recently they locked down because they were starting to transport patients from the capital in the north to the south because they lost hospital capacity. They also very recently mandated mask. They say if you really don't want to you can just don't do it but 98% of people do.I visited Tokyo in summer 2019 before covid was even born. I kid you not like half of them wore mask. I made some friends and I asked them about it. They said different things like looking tired that day and stuff not feeling like smiling that day but Also spreading disease. Again way before covid. It was no big deal for them. Just normal and clerks in the store did it and everyone else. This is why I don't understand why it's such a huge issue here. It's literally a piece of cloth and it's temporary.
Wuhan where this started is fine again already, mostly because they took measures and did it (a little too) effective Of course I'd rather be without it. Of course it's annoying. I hate my seatbelts in the car. I still have to wear it right. But if there's a chance it works...I'll agree with the Walmart but I do (at least my Walmart) order online and curbside pickup. In my mind everyone should. But I'm not sure what would happen if we totally open up. I just don't see why we don't if it's possible. Am I blind to something? Perhaps I am. But I really think we're doing it right. The vaccine is rolling out and I just hope it will be the end of this. I'm tired of it too Joel. I want to take my friends to dinner. I want to do all I used to. Also I agree the kids seem to get and spread it way less which is good. And last but not least why don't you always write like this? Gets you way further than your "usual style "
I gotta run for a bit but I'll look forward to your reply. Take care
@dawsonnata You aren’t always this charming, either - just saying.I haven’t looked a lot at Denmark, but I’ll look into it. As far as Japan and masks - yes, it’s culturally acceptable to be polite and wear a mask in public if you’re coughing or sneezing. That’s radically different from mandating that every person wear a mask. I’ve said to family in discussions that if the US had been reasonable with its recommendations, they would have been followed. I don’t think that its unreasonable to wear a mask if you wish and are actively coughing or sneezing. But again, It should purely be up to the individual to decide.Most everyone was playing along with “2 weeks to slow the spread”. That was 9 months ago. So while you insist it’s “temporary” I’d agree if there was ever a definitive end goal. Most people I knew were trying to follow the rules from March to even May. But there’s no “hey if the Rt number goes below 1.0 we will reopen XYZ”. It’s nonsensical never ending goalpost moving. Even Fauci has fudged his herd immunity numbers (well he’s lied a lot during this whole thing) - first it was 60%, now he’s up to 80% to scare people into getting the vaccine. That’s not good public policy.
@dawsonnata As far as Wuhan. That’s the heart of this. The videos of people falling dead in the street was nothing but chinese propaganda that the rest of the world fell for. They claimed to have tested all 10,000,000 residents? Really? If it takes you only 5 minutes to test a person (and it takes longer to get all the paperwork processed between people) you’re looking at 34,000 days (check my math) going 24x7. That says nothing about the logistics of manufacturing the tests and processing the results.We know the PCR tests are unreliable. We know that many countries are reporting any death within 30 days of a positive test as a covid death. I’m proposing it’s not as deadly as we’re being told and that Wuhan just opened up and let things fall where they may. They conned the rest of the world into shutting down (because really all they had to do was convince one or two and the rest of the world followed suit)Even the whole toilet paper scare - Australians were worried about a shortage because they get their TP from China... now here in the US it’s still hard to find reliable stock and we’ve never had a production interruption.
@joeldalton I'm always extremely charming Joel, and you know it.Denmark and Sweden (I still didn't watch the video- I might- not a big YouTube fan) are the reasons I mostly agree with "the official narrative /mainstream" namely because they both refused to a certain point and then failed. France too. France has a very extensive and very well run health care system. But they eventually fell in line with the rest of us too. I don't know what your video say yet, but Sweden to begin with had zero interest in any of it. Today, and for few months now, they have been locked down hard. Most European countries don't allow swedish people across the border. Now fauchi I don't really believe he "lies" why would he "lie" ? It's weird to me that people make fauchi a "bad guy" I don't think he gained anything. He's rich and famous already. He's 80 as of Christmas and could just retire and relax. I bet he will after this is over. To be honest with you I thought you were like that hostiletakeover guy to begin with x, but it's nice to be pleasantly surprised. That also surprises me to see you say scare people into the vaccine. They could just mandate it. Besides like 50% of people will get it anyway. I don't know if it's Chinese propaganda or not but it's just that way it always goes.
The Chinese cook up a virus and burn the world. Could be from a lab of course, but it doesn't matter. Point is world is crashing and we want it back up. I want this too. I was going to Pretoria and Durban this year, and now I'm home and going nowhere. I definitely want to stop it as much as anyone!! I'm currently hoping (I don't pray) the vaccine will work.The math is probably right. But tons of people are working on it, so a little divide is necessary. Again Denmark: tested 708,000 in 4 weeks and it's a country of 5.5 million so people get tested multiple times. They set up a ballpark and they test 24/7 And yes, the toilet paper is fun alright. But two of my friends who bought a bidet washlet because they tried mine currently worship me so it's not all bad. If everyone would start to replace them old American watergushers with Japanese washlet we'd save tons of trees and water
@dawsonnata Masks don't work, you brainwashed sheep
@Stephen_77 honey, it's kinda cute that you wish to butt in with your immature insult, and no argument, but you enter into a rather long educated conversation, so you don't have to comment further. Go read my piece here if you're bored Covid compared to mers and SARS, the previous novel Corona viruses ↗
@dawsonnata If you're gonna post ignorant nonsense then I have the right to challenge it. Snow flake.
If you can't debate or argue without resulting to insults and name calling please take it elsewhere
@JackieJaii his preschool name calling doesn't bother me the least. Just shows up front that he's beneath me. So with that out of the way... @Stephen_77 you can challenge anything I say if you want. That just leaves the question "when do you start"? You haven't challenged anything!! The closest you come is "masks don't work " and it's true, within the scientific community there is currently some debate and research going on as to whether or not they do. Doctors researchers epidemiologists and virologists don't know for sure yet. These highly educated people are currently looking into it. The idea that you have, because you watched a YouTube video where some dude wears a lab coat, and you think "he said no so now I know the truth" is beyond ignorant and you regurgitating it online just shows that you are not a very educated person. Furthermore if you HAD read some of the "nonsense " and you HAD half a brain , you would have immediately realized that this discussion was far beyond "mask works ". If you now have any reasonable and intelligent thing to say, do so. Otherwise you can go back to watching YouTube. Take care.
@Stephen_77 Covid conspiracy ↗
@dawsonnata the purpose of the mask is to stop spittle spray not the single virion
@dawsonnata looks like Danes aren't too happy with their new restrictionswww.thelocal.dk/.../nine-arrested-in-denmark-after-anti-lockdown-violence
@joeldalton I didn't read that.
@joeldalton no Joel, they are NOT done with it. Read the news.
@msc545 nobody is really "done" except the place where it all began... and exactly because they took heavy duty measures to use.. they didn't argue with mask for a year like us or have groups claiming it's fake and all the bulls*** that we're facing here. N.. which is y it drags out forever here...@joeldalton I read it and looks like it was 259 people in a country of 5.6 million. Not that bad. Besides I didn't say anything about if they were happy. I said when they locked down hard about 3 weeks ago the numbers immediately dropped. And of course... it's a viral spread so if people stay home and stay apart...
@dawsonnata Well it's quite clear from your stupid comments that you are living in zombie land and have the intelligence of a jelly fish.
@Stephen_77 you're a twat living in the uk and you have an IQ of someone who sits in the pub way too much and drives on the wrong side you dimwit. Bullock's to you
@Stephen_77 you promised to challenge some of the things I wrote. I'm waiting. Take care sweetheart Stephen.
@dawsonnata just read your piece. You are really clever
yeah I'm definitely smarter than a lot of people, but I'm also pretty well educated. You like my stuff? Check this one out. Covid compared to mers and SARS, the previous novel Corona viruses ↗by the way regarding those dimwits you realize it's no use sinking to their level right? Just I saw your comment up above
@dawsonnata yeah I know it's just for fun. I was experimenting and trying to let them see how dumb it looks but don't seem to catch on. Anyway imma follow you ok?
Go for it. Here is one of my better ones.I did it after I encountered a ton of conspiracy bull... on here Agenda 2020/2030 Etc. Not a thing!!! ↗If you like the other two you are gonna love this
@dawsonnata Are you proposing the 'great reset' isn't real?
Lol I love that you two morons are still going at it
@Bratsondanielle I love that you're a moron with us.
I'm not. Remember I gave up like weeks ago and here I waltz in to some random thread and I find a mile long thread with dawson and dalton. No no I'm definitely not getting into it I don't possess that kind of patience
@Bratsondanielle ok, adios, then.
@joeldalton bye bye
@kimbim I haven't been in a pub in about 12 years. You're a retarded moron.
@Stephen_77 you're a dumb brit drive on the wrong side
@kimbim And you're a dumb ass fucker.
@Stephen_77 you're a twat u know
@Stephen_77 you're a retarded looser
I sometimes think it's a mistake that we came and saved Britain from the germans if y'all catch my drift
I'm with you dear. At least they are out of the EU now Believe it or not this guy is actually pretty typical average brit it's really sadI been to Britain few times. I'm not even kidding when I say lots of people are like this. Bullocks let's go to pub (like always)
@kimbim And you're a dumb cunt.
@kimbim And you're a retarded sheep shagger
U are a combination of both @kimbim? Does your wife know? This guy is clearly high IQ and well educated I can tell by his intelligent comments here
I only see block bars but they make me happy. I'm spared some annoying things
@Bratsondanielle you ain't missing nothing 4sho
They aren't cures, and they aren't 100% but they are good at some things, and that's better than nothing at all. Notably, keeping them from touching their own face. This is the main reason why people are getting sick in the first place. People touching things and their hands then scratching their nose and mouth. It's not rocket science to understand how germs are spreading. If a mask can help deter that one thing - it's doing it's job.
I think you overestimate them when you say they think lol
How do you figure you’re susceptible.
She could be a diabetic, or have severe obesity , or a serious heart disease, or High blood pressure.. etc
I've already been hospitalized. i have a form of pidd, that's how i figure. its a little sad seeing people not wearing masks :( even tho its not the real issue, still, a guy i know said hed never wear a mask bc if he got rona he wldnt get sick. it shows he either doesn't care or understand that somewhere down the line som1 could b really affected
Maybe they'd be more comfortable wearing a respirator?
They'd have to be submitted to thr hospital for that.
Most people suffer "with" anxiety? The fuck... lol
@dawsonnata Most people don't suffer from impending death, but catch Covid because you are too stupid or stubborn to wear a mask like half the population, and you might.
@msc545 exactly. People are braindead. The positives of this: the dumb ones get it more and more of them don't go to the doctor so after covid average IQ will have gone up a tad
We'll see who has the last laugh. 😉
Elaborate? It doesn't make sense honestly
You mean give you something to bitch about? Nah you do you. We all have a choice. And i simply choose not to ignore this daft topic but i choose to let you reflect on how much of an idiot you are trying to force your opinion on others. 😁
You're clearly not ignoring it but you just don't make a lot of sense you just offer word salad
I'm choosing not to engage in your stupid debate. Wanna wear a mask, go for it but the choices of other people ain't your business. Now jog on you bitch
Ok... I'll just jog on then I guess...
Covid conspiracy ↗Check this out thou. This bitch did this on speech to text while driving using half her bitches brains lol
Sorry bitch - i didn't mean to call you a bitch - it's what i managed to type while squeezing a poo out. Ufff too much hot sauce 😓 tastes good though. Don't take the bitch remark to the heart😘😘😘
@dawsonnata People actually die from Covvid while yelling that they don't have it because it doesn't exist...
The good news is that right-wing Trump supporters die more often than others.
@msc545 see ... it's not all bad. Every cloud has a silver lining after all
@dawsonnata Indeed. Unfortunately, the inverse is true. Every silver lining has a cloud. Or something like that.
@msc545 eeeyyy don't bring me down yo!!! I was trying to be positive
@dawsonnata oh sorry. Want to play chess? It might cheer you up!
@dawsonnata Apparently both his grammar and his psychopathology are defective.
@msc545 lol you'd just kick my ass and make me mad. I'm not that good at it I can only think 3 moves ahead and my brain doesn't budge for. More
@dawsonnata actually most people don't really think ahead more than 10 or 12 moves, so no worries for you. You can even play white if you like.
@msc545 yeah I kinda hate people like this it sucks but hey... someone has to pack my groceries and clean my house right?
@msc545 white? Why you little racist!!
@dawsonnata Yeah ok, I guess chess pieces should be blue and green. And here I was trying to be nice. White always moves first in chess.
@msc545 lol blue and green lol. And yes white moves first. Black has an advantage thou if given the right opening from white to use queen and bishop to assassinate the white king in four moves... unless white knows that it's coming...
@dawsonnata I don't think anyone ever really falls for that four moves thing anymore...
@msc545 true dat bro. If you play with a beginner and you get the chance to do it it's still fun thou
@dawsonnata Dat be all you gonna say about dat, girlfriend?
@msc545 lol yeah bruh dat about it yo. Peace
@dawsonnata Peace girl
Are you being sarcastic or do you actually believe that?
I believe it. I've already had it. It's the flu.
Are you sure you didn't have the flu and non symptomatic covid simultaneously?
It was the flu but they said it was covid. I've had it twice.
Apart from the fact that what you call healthy people are indistinguishable from presymptomatic or asymptomatic people.
@goaded asymptomatic people ARE healthy people. And it’s not your business what my health status is. If a person believes they are healthy and doesn’t want to wear a mask, that’s their responsibility.
Of course it's not, that would be like saying it's Typhoid Mary's right to work in your company's canteen. People don't know if they're infectious.
@goaded So sorry to hear about your cancer.
It's their responsibility to obey the speed limit as well to limit the chances of causing a car accident. But just because it's they're responsibility doesn't mean that they shouldn't face legal consequences for not exercising said responsibility.
As far as I know, I don't have cancer, but if I did, it wouldn't affect anybody I interacted with. Of course some asshole not wearing a mask might give me a disease that would kill me in my weakened state, even if they "think" they're healthy.
@goaded Hopefully the chemo goes well for you.
Asymptomatic people are lucky in the sense that they aren't affected by the virus, but they are spreading it to others who may not be so lucky. If someone asymptomatic goes into a grocery store and touches tomatoes and other things and moves along, but someone else comes along and touches the same things and picks up the virus that the asymptomatic person shed, then they can get sick, and their system may not be able to handle it as well as other people.
@Ozanne Asymptomatic spread is exceedingly rare, as is surface-contact transmission. You also never gave a shit about spreading the flu to people in previous years if you were asymptomatic for the flu. So spare me.
Oh, go on, show her your two papers written over the last year that you think show "Asymptomatic spread is exceedingly rare"!It's 10x as deadly as flu, and far more contagious; it should demand the giving of much more shit.
@goaded Right, it's only science when you agree with it. This is why China openly mocks you for staying home in your house right now.
What are you gonna do about it tough guy?
I tell them to put your mask on
valid unless if u actually have asthma etc
what was ur choice