Just out of curiosity are you liberal or conservative？?

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i'm kind of curious on the demographics of liberal or conservative on the side and I guess this is about 50-50 but I want to take the poll I'm curious

liberal

conservative

independent

Select age and gender to cast your vote:

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nightdrot | 2.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Voted "Conservative," but I always, when I see this kind of question, have to put an asterisk over it. My conservatism is not what Americans typically call conservative. Because what Americans call conservative is, historically speaking, not conservatism but is, rather, classical liberalism.

My conservatism, which for convenience I will call classical or Tory conservatism, traces its intellectual pedigree through Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas - and probably most importantly - the 18th century British statesman and political philosopher, Edmund Burke, and also the British Prime Minsiters Benjamin Disraeli and Lord Salisbury.

In an American context, it shows up in the thinking of Alexander Hamilton and then - almost by historical accident, the American Whig Party, and the former Whig turned Republican, Abraham Lincoln. (It is a great historical "what if" as to what the GOP would have looked like had Lincoln lived and the radical Republicans not gained the ascendancy.)

Classical conservatives believe, unlike American conservatives and liberals, that the purpose of government is to answer Aristotle's first questions of politics, "How ought we to live? What kind of a people do we wish to be?"

To which classical conservatives respond that the purpose of government is to nurture civic virtue. To reinforce those habits and customs, legitimized by historical usage over time, that make a harmonious and stable social order possible.

Classical conservatives believe in the free market as a tool, rather than an end in itself. They recognize that it is a powerful wealth creator, efficient to some degree, and a guard against an overweening state. However, they believe, as Burke said, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do what they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations."

Consequently, classical conservatives support an ameliorative welfare state. (The welfare state was invented by two conservatives - Disraeli and Bismarck.) The purpose such a welfare state being to reconcile the public to the dynamics of a free market economy by alleviating the negative impact of old age, illness and temporary unemployment.

In this they differ from American liberals who see the welfare state as a lever to engineer social transformation. That is, to restructure society according to some abstract a priori vision. Classical conservatives argue that such a vision is ultimately going to be oversimple and will lead to adverse and unintended consequences.

Tories believe that political philosophy should take as it starting point not human reason, but human nature. That political rights are developed through historical usage, and are not abstract pre-existing. Which is to say that they don't deny that such abstract rights exist. Merely that they are of no practical benefit or use in civil society and law. As Burke put it, "Their abstract perfection is their practical defect."

In all this, then, classical conservatives tend to see less difference between American conservatives and liberals than they see between themselves. Albeit that classical conservatives are more likely to align with their American counterparts insofar as American liberals tend to be more deeply hostile to custom and tradition.

Stoner710

1 mo
Very true I tend to be more libertarian leaning in the United States which means I vote conservativeBecause the Libertarian party is not a good party nor will it win. I came to agree with more of the Edmund Burke let people live idea where people will just do what they want to do regardless if government tells them not to or not and it shouldn’t be up to government to hinder them doing what they want to do unless it’s rape murder or theft. I support the free market And I don’t support government control over the free market which is what it seems the liberals in the United States want to do more than they actually want to make United States into a communist or socialist government rather than a free market classical liberal idea of how government should be ran
nightdrot

1 mo
Just to be clear, Burke was no libertarian. To repeat that quote from him, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do as they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations."

Buke said of Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" that is was the greatest work of ECONOMIC philosophy ever written. The modifier matters.

Burke drew sharp lines in the economic sphere. The libertarian defines ANY exercise of liberty as by definition good. Burke - and classical conservatives generally - did not and do not.

The free market in telephones is fine. The free market in abortions or slaves or... the list goes on is not thereby made virtuous by being a free market. Burke argued that certain moral considerations must come before freedom and he saw freedom as a means to an end and NOT, as the libertarians do, as an end in itself.

Burke was not opposed to free market economics, but he saw its value as utilitarian and prudent, not inherently virtuous and as a good in and of itself.

Answer 2

Stoner710

Very true I tend to be more libertarian leaning in the United States which means I vote conservativeBecause the Libertarian party is not a good party nor will it win. I came to agree with more of the Edmund Burke let people live idea where people will just do what they want to do regardless if government tells them not to or not and it shouldn’t be up to government to hinder them doing what they want to do unless it’s rape murder or theft. I support the free market And I don’t support government control over the free market which is what it seems the liberals in the United States want to do more than they actually want to make United States into a communist or socialist government rather than a free market classical liberal idea of how government should be ran

Answer 3

nightdrot

Just to be clear, Burke was no libertarian. To repeat that quote from him, "The effect of liberty to individuals is that they may do as they please. We ought see what it will please them to do before we risk congratulations."

Buke said of Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations" that is was the greatest work of ECONOMIC philosophy ever written. The modifier matters.

Burke drew sharp lines in the economic sphere. The libertarian defines ANY exercise of liberty as by definition good. Burke - and classical conservatives generally - did not and do not.

The free market in telephones is fine. The free market in abortions or slaves or... the list goes on is not thereby made virtuous by being a free market. Burke argued that certain moral considerations must come before freedom and he saw freedom as a means to an end and NOT, as the libertarians do, as an end in itself.

Burke was not opposed to free market economics, but he saw its value as utilitarian and prudent, not inherently virtuous and as a good in and of itself.

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ShortCircuit | 1.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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I'm not liberal, conservative, or even independent. I'm a libertarian, which isn't exactly "independent" because it is its own consistent ideology/philosophy.

Now, I dislike the characterization of libertarians as "agreeing with conservatives on some things and liberals on other things", because it makes it out as though libertarians are centrists and/or inconsistent in their beliefs. In reality, conservatives and liberals are the inconsistent ones as well as both being more moderate than libertarians overall.

However, I have to explain it in that way in order for people who are unfamiliar with libertarianism to understand it:

We agree with conservatives on economic, fiscal, and monetary policy such as market regulation, privatizing public services like education, healthcare, and welfare, lowering taxes, and balancing the budget. We also agree with conservatives on gun control and free speech. I personally also agree with conservatives on abortion (although libertarians as a whole are split down the middle on abortion). Libertarians are also more radical than conservatives on all of the positions that we agree on.

On the other hand, we agree with liberals on legalizing marijuana and criminal justice reform. But again, we are more radical than liberals on these positions.

Then our other positions that aren't exactly conservative or liberal are being anti-interventionist free traders on foreign policy, eliminating occupational and other such licensing, pro-gay marriage (which it seems conservatives and liberals are now both for), anti-surveillance (which it seems conservatives and liberals are now both against, despite Republicans and Democrats both being for), and being neither border hawks (conservative) nor favoring open borders (liberal), but rather favoring *privatizing* national borders.

So in short, I would say libertarians are 80% conservative, 20% liberal, and simultaneously both more conservative than conservatives and more liberal than liberals.

Stoner710

1 mo
Yea pretty much, Im count myself as more libertarian unfortunately the libertarian party is kind of a joke, like why have a fat naked guy dance at your convention no one wants to see that. So I vote Republican because I tend to agree with them more, like the abortion thing I’m pro life, and yes we tend to be more extreme in our views, especially when it comes to the role of government, I tend to think the only role of the federal government is to protect our boarders from invasion and keep basic laws like don’t murder steel that kinda of stuff, My tax plan would be only a sales luxury and sin tax. No property or income tax on the federal level. States should have more power then the federal government when it comes to there local population
ShortCircuit

1 mo
Yeah, I agree. The LP is a joke. Most libertarians seem to think so. The only ones who like it seem to be the "beltway" type. I'm even more extreme than you though lol. I believe there is no role of government and there should be zero taxes. I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

Answer 5

Stoner710

Yea pretty much, Im count myself as more libertarian unfortunately the libertarian party is kind of a joke, like why have a fat naked guy dance at your convention no one wants to see that. So I vote Republican because I tend to agree with them more, like the abortion thing I’m pro life, and yes we tend to be more extreme in our views, especially when it comes to the role of government, I tend to think the only role of the federal government is to protect our boarders from invasion and keep basic laws like don’t murder steel that kinda of stuff, My tax plan would be only a sales luxury and sin tax. No property or income tax on the federal level. States should have more power then the federal government when it comes to there local population

Answer 6

ShortCircuit

Yeah, I agree. The LP is a joke. Most libertarians seem to think so. The only ones who like it seem to be the "beltway" type. I'm even more extreme than you though lol. I believe there is no role of government and there should be zero taxes. I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

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RolandCuthbert | 3.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Define Conservative.

Define Liberal.

Define Independent.

And explain how people can't have a mix of beliefs or have a concern for issues that you neither know about or have the capacity to understand?

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Stoner710

1 mo
Conservatives: Tend to have more traditional values, like no sex outside marriage, or men can’t be women or low taxes and smaller government they tend to be more religious but not always the case, they tend to support the military and banning the use of drugs.

Liberals: Tend to be more on a Social side of things they claim they are open minded but in my option goes to far like men can be women or men and women are the same, They also tend to support gay marriage legal weed climate change,

Independent tend to not fit the main political parties they agree with something the Democrats agree on and republicans but disagree with other issues, they can also be more left or right leaning, like Bernie Sanders runs as an independent in Vermont but a democratic outside Vermont

There also leftist a which pretty much hates the country they don’t like free speech they want to shut down information that they don’t agree with and call it disinformation they also tend to be more authoritarian and this is the direction where I think the Democrat party is going. (These guys tend to get lumped in with Liberals think BLM and Antifa)

Then you have the old rate which is like leftist except they’re actually racist pieces of shit who believe if your not white your inferior. (These guys time to get lumped in with conservatives)

Then you have libertarians again times to get ranked and more with conservatives they tend to be more fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Now of course you can I have a mix of beliefs concerning these issues with the left like AOC and the alt right like David duke you can’t but the rest of the views can be mix. Now since we live in a binary political system you’re either voting Democrat or Republican if we had my parties I’m sure you could see a progressive and Libertarian party form that are pretty strong
RolandCuthbert

1 mo
I think it is only certain people are binary. Of course last election I voted for Biden, but after that, I voted for a mix of candidates. Especially when it came to local elections. I voted for a Republican District Attorney. I voted Green party for State rep. I voted for judges that were Republican or Libertarian.

In other words, I voted for folks I had respect for or agreed with. Why on earth anyone would vote straight party is beyond me.

Conservatives actually don't get into people's personal lives. Worrying about what people do in terms of sex, etc. isn't Conservative. Conservatives see no place for government intervention when it comes to that. So in other words, he/she may frown upon transgenders or whatever. That isn't' the point. The point is a Conservative would not support government intervention beyond guaranteeing the basic rights and freedoms we all have.

That's why they don't support AA or similar programs. But in this weird age. . . you have folks who think they are Conservative and the attempt to meddle with a community's attempts to seek redress on its own.
Real Conservatives have always supported empowering communities to resolve their own issues. If transgenders got together and formed a community where they could ensure employment, prosperity, etc. for them and theirs, that is something traditional Conservatives love.

Because it is done without government intervention.

What you engage in isn't Conservatism. It is totalitarianism.

Conservatism is something anyone of any ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, etc. could understand and support.

Answer 8

Stoner710

Conservatives: Tend to have more traditional values, like no sex outside marriage, or men can’t be women or low taxes and smaller government they tend to be more religious but not always the case, they tend to support the military and banning the use of drugs.

Liberals: Tend to be more on a Social side of things they claim they are open minded but in my option goes to far like men can be women or men and women are the same, They also tend to support gay marriage legal weed climate change,

Independent tend to not fit the main political parties they agree with something the Democrats agree on and republicans but disagree with other issues, they can also be more left or right leaning, like Bernie Sanders runs as an independent in Vermont but a democratic outside Vermont

There also leftist a which pretty much hates the country they don’t like free speech they want to shut down information that they don’t agree with and call it disinformation they also tend to be more authoritarian and this is the direction where I think the Democrat party is going. (These guys tend to get lumped in with Liberals think BLM and Antifa)

Then you have the old rate which is like leftist except they’re actually racist pieces of shit who believe if your not white your inferior. (These guys time to get lumped in with conservatives)

Then you have libertarians again times to get ranked and more with conservatives they tend to be more fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Now of course you can I have a mix of beliefs concerning these issues with the left like AOC and the alt right like David duke you can’t but the rest of the views can be mix. Now since we live in a binary political system you’re either voting Democrat or Republican if we had my parties I’m sure you could see a progressive and Libertarian party form that are pretty strong

Answer 9

RolandCuthbert

I think it is only certain people are binary. Of course last election I voted for Biden, but after that, I voted for a mix of candidates. Especially when it came to local elections. I voted for a Republican District Attorney. I voted Green party for State rep. I voted for judges that were Republican or Libertarian.

In other words, I voted for folks I had respect for or agreed with. Why on earth anyone would vote straight party is beyond me.

Conservatives actually don't get into people's personal lives. Worrying about what people do in terms of sex, etc. isn't Conservative. Conservatives see no place for government intervention when it comes to that. So in other words, he/she may frown upon transgenders or whatever. That isn't' the point. The point is a Conservative would not support government intervention beyond guaranteeing the basic rights and freedoms we all have.

That's why they don't support AA or similar programs. But in this weird age. . . you have folks who think they are Conservative and the attempt to meddle with a community's attempts to seek redress on its own.
Real Conservatives have always supported empowering communities to resolve their own issues. If transgenders got together and formed a community where they could ensure employment, prosperity, etc. for them and theirs, that is something traditional Conservatives love.

Because it is done without government intervention.

What you engage in isn't Conservatism. It is totalitarianism.

Conservatism is something anyone of any ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, etc. could understand and support.

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jennifer_bloom | 1.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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I'm both and neither - I don't advocate for transexuals or pansexuals or bisexuals but neither do I hate them enough to support a racist president simply because the racist president promises to reduce or curb their privileges. I took the political spectrum test and I scored dead centre, 0.0 / 0.0.

Stoner710

1 mo
please explain to me how Joe Biden is not racist? because I'm pretty sure you're referring to trump beyond that you would be independent

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Stoner710

please explain to me how Joe Biden is not racist? because I'm pretty sure you're referring to trump beyond that you would be independent

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IAMNathanael | 749 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Independent I suppose. I agree and disagree with aspects of both sides so I guess I can't fully align with either.

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TeeBar | 237 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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I give my vote and support based on the good a politician is sworn to provide my community: his party affiliation is irrelevant.

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Anonymous

I'm a fucked up Independent.
I wanted Conservatives to retain the Presidency, then I felt bad for Joe Biden and wanted him to win.
Then I wanted Trump to figure out a way to take back the election. I
I'm not even American.

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Hispanic-Cool-Guy | 4.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Politically, balanced but a bit more liberal. Personality wise, I'm liberal.

Stoner710

1 mo
I feel it I’m pretty libertarian but we get lumped in with conservatives

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Stoner710

I feel it I’m pretty libertarian but we get lumped in with conservatives

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OddBeMe | 6.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Hey Independents, who have you voted for in every election? I doubt the side changes.

Stoner710

1 mo
I think for some independent I think the size changes now using my mom as an example she voted for Bushes she voted for Bill Clinton voted against Reagan voted for Carter both times and I think she voted against LBJ during her first vote, she voted Trump 2016 since she didn’t like Hillary and she didn’t vote for either joe Biden or trump in 2020 she picked 3rd party, I think she is going to continue to do that vote third-party I mean because she’s basically doesn’t like either side at this point,

Honestly if this was the 90s I would probably be voting Democrat I like bush as a kid, I wanted obama to win in 08 and voted for him in japan in 2012, I didn’t like Hillary in 2016 want thought it would be fun to have Trump since I began paying attention after 2016 I found myself agree more with the Libertarian party because it seems like it’s a mix between conservatives with a free market aspect and Democrats as far as being social aspect, But that’s just me, Right now I’m on the Republican side because i don’t like the socialism being pushed by the left right now, or the huge taxes they want to implement, Also I don’t have big government control there 3,000 miles away, why should they have more power than the state government at that distance

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Stoner710

I think for some independent I think the size changes now using my mom as an example she voted for Bushes she voted for Bill Clinton voted against Reagan voted for Carter both times and I think she voted against LBJ during her first vote, she voted Trump 2016 since she didn’t like Hillary and she didn’t vote for either joe Biden or trump in 2020 she picked 3rd party, I think she is going to continue to do that vote third-party I mean because she’s basically doesn’t like either side at this point,

Honestly if this was the 90s I would probably be voting Democrat I like bush as a kid, I wanted obama to win in 08 and voted for him in japan in 2012, I didn’t like Hillary in 2016 want thought it would be fun to have Trump since I began paying attention after 2016 I found myself agree more with the Libertarian party because it seems like it’s a mix between conservatives with a free market aspect and Democrats as far as being social aspect, But that’s just me, Right now I’m on the Republican side because i don’t like the socialism being pushed by the left right now, or the huge taxes they want to implement, Also I don’t have big government control there 3,000 miles away, why should they have more power than the state government at that distance

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JackofSpades | 279 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Whoever's most likely to leave me the fuck alone.

So neither.

Stoner710

1 mo
Libertarian lol same here even though we get lumped in with conservatives

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Stoner710

Libertarian lol same here even though we get lumped in with conservatives

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Anonymous

Liberal, except I support gun ownership, and I am against abortion.

Stoner710

1 mo
Better be careful you’ll be kicked out of the party.
Opinion Owner

1 mo
The question is- which one?

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Stoner710

Better be careful you’ll be kicked out of the party.

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Opinion Owner

The question is- which one?

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BuiltLikeATank

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Neither. I'm an actual Communist.

Stoner710

1 mo
Have fun in China lol
BuiltLikeATank

1 mo
I will.

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Stoner710

Have fun in China lol

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BuiltLikeATank

I will.

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Year3000 | 287 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Neither, I’m a Democrat.

Stoner710

1 mo
That liberal
Year3000

1 mo
Not really

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Stoner710

That liberal

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Year3000

Not really

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Anonymous

Right leaning Libertarian

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Anonymous

Conservative.

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jahaims | 327 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Neither

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Jakeofalltrades93 | 620 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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somewhere in between

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lanadelrey25 | 336 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

Conservative.

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AFellowWeeb | 113 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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