you are not in NATO and paying 2% GDP is a condition to be part of the aliance, whitch many country don't respect it.
My original country (Germany) is a member.I grew up in the shadow of the late cold war. Once the Warsaw pact collapsed I met numerous 'bad' Russians - and figured out that we have been told lies all the time. 'The enemy' is not some sniper behind the border, but it's our own leaders and politicians; they use us.Later on: when my supposed to be allies brawled in the Falklands, or kicked Iraqi arses for oil... that's not my business at all. And allies like this: I don't need them, nor do I want them....If many countries don't 'respect' the agreement, then to me it indicates regret to have made these agreements in the first place. So I might say that being unhappy about the way it is - is not from your side only.I suggest to end this farce. And if others prefer to continue to play cops and robbers - they are free to set up a new club for that.
The oil teory is just a conspiratory one. The war in midle east is not for oil. Is for external and internal security for and of the region
'Oil' is rather meant as a spaceholder for -say- national interests. Example: ''there is nothing to get from Ethiopia or Myanmar - so why would be do something about it?''I don't try to find a conspiracy: I see it as a 'general attitude' that is shared by most nations with some sort of 'power'.On a similar level I don't support the NATO: there's no benefit any longer.
You are not even part of Europ, your opinion doesn't mather as long you will never joyn the grup or even have the posibility to do it.
Canada, the U. S. and Turkey aren't European either.You may have missed my previous post: I was born and raised in Northern Germany; my passport is German and my (recorded) family 'history' is German since 600 and something years. I do feel qualified to have a word here :)The fact that I meanwhile live/work in Thailand (the profile says it) does not change my past.I had served a military time in my youth (which I now see as a mistake) and was in touch with NATO military as well ('BFG', naval airwing, Italy and Norway) so it's not that my views and impressions come from nowhere.The trouble with NATO (my view) is that it has outlived its original idea and purpose - but the involved active members (military and politicians) would be jobless and so try to keep it alive; on the expense of the taxpayer, who in return still is safe from foreign military aggression - where foreign 'aggression' -where it exists- meanwhile has become an economic one.And as you, rightly so, commented: outside of NATO-land there can be no interests. So let me ask you: what the heck is NATO doing in Afghanistan, Somalia, or Iraq and elsewhere?(my own answer: kissing the feet of the U. S.)
He made some country to increes the %. Befor Trump only UK and USA invest the minimum 2%.My country Romania give 2%, i voted for that.Poland , Estonia, Greek and moust of the country on the map. And we are East European whitch mean we have a low economy but still try to suport our aliance. But Western country are so lazy and not serios. They don't care but themself because the danger is not close to them.
The danger is as close to us as the range of an ICBM, which means any country on the planet with those missiles can attack us.
Yes but Country like Wester Europ and USA don't have Russia at 2 days whit the car next to them. They will damn suport the aliance when they hear situations like in Crimea more close to them.2% of GDP is the same level of dificulty for each country to keep it. Witch is not fair only 10 country to make that from all your aliaces
And then 100% of the Third World War will come again.You will be attacked again by other countries and many people will die because of your ignorance. So it was in the Vietnam War and the Cold War.The United States is the most important state in keeping Europe stable. Two World Wars came from here + other colonial ones before them. The great wars start in Europe when there are too many different plans and interests.And this has affected you in the past and will affect you in the future if you do not want to get involved.
Yes, tough shit.That is why NATO must not fall apart.
Keep it together, and leave the US out of it.
Sorry, but that can't happen. Whatever great war followed, the United States would be involved sooner or later. So it was in the first but also in the second.
Let the United Kingdom deal with it. We need to use our money for healthcare, not policing the world.
If you do not police the world, then the world will prevail over you.You US invest more in the national army than NATO, the US pays 3% of GDP. It is of equal economic difficulty to all members.Your problem with investing in the military is not the same as NATO.You have the highest GDP in the world, 2% would be enough on your part for NATO. And the remaining 1.4% would be incredibly good to make some reforms in the medical system and education.Not to mention your tax-free corporations and all the tax-exempt billionaires. That's your hole.
The UK can police the world.
You mean in the 18th century.
America should just care about America.
That's the stupidest thing an American can say.
LOL Do you have any clue how much stupid shit I hear on this site by Brits?
I believe you, I'm glad I'm not British.
UK is just my location, not my country or nationality :P
To be fair the US spends a lot on healthcare. Isn't it around 20% of GDP? Whereas we spend around 10% of ours in the UK and have universal coverage, and people not going bankrupt or being scared to see a doctor for the bill they might end up with.
It's worth bearing in mind that the US has gargantuan military spending largely to further its own strategic interests throughout the world, not out of care and concern for other nations.
@Levin in UK is a terible healt sistem, they have a lot of birocraty that put the pacients to do it. It take like 5 to 10 min to call an ambilance and like 2 weeks to see a doctors.In Romania, wher is not a good medical sistem you get bether healt care then in UK. UK is one of the moust horible healt sistem in Europ
There's definitely a lot wrong with the UK system but terrible is rather unfair. Generally speaking, if I have a problem, I can get it sorted. And urgent problems will garner an urgent response. Although likely all of that has gone to shit with the covid con.And yes, its a creaking system with not enough spare capacity.
@Levin In Romania they ask wher you are, what happen who you are and to say some ID numbers and they come to you take like 1-2 min and in 1-2 min Ambulance is at you.In UK ask you what happen, who you are, wher are you, please confirm you ID at the phone, when the problem start, why do you think it stat, when is your birth day, phone number and alll the susless questions in the world so lather afther like 10-15 min conversation wher you olso exercise the alphabet at last come an ambulance in 5-10 min
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then put sanctions
We are in NATO you should pay 2%, is unacceptable the East Europ can make such a sacriface, even more admirable from Bulgary and big nation like Germany and France show theyr interes for this aliance that need to prezerv peace in Europ.
It's up to the United States to fire us, they just have to do it, which I absolutely won't mind. The defense of Europe? You have NATO and since you have spent a larger budget than France on the army, you should be able to have an acceptable army to defend yourself
is 2% that doesn't meen much more then a western country.You guys have even more then us and don't want to invest them
NATO is useless to us, so I feel once again that we should leave it. If countries like Romania want to stay in NATO, it's up to them to do so, and since they respect the 2 percent, it is still very good for them, but to stop wanting France to remain in NATO.
With the greatest of respect @jonathanlama. I'm not sure what good it would do to have France on your fighting side!
If the Western power live the aliance 100% the 3 WW will come, nothink will be able to stop Russia from taking all the east part of Europ and com to the border whit Germany +/- France.If France will live it will be a destabilization of the aliance in thous time.Stop suporting France to live!
@Levin We are as useful as the Perfidious Albion😉
who is Albion?
@Alexandrubaschet08 It’s England, it’s a French expression, Perfide Albion ”is a pejorative expression used in the context of international relations to refer to England and, by extension, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, referring to Albion , its old name. It refers to acts of diplomatic maneuvering, duplicity, treachery and therefore infidelity
UK pay 2% the same number tha France should do as well.
It doesn't change anything lol
If all members will 2% our need for USA will be more low and it will be a bether defence sistem because USA need olso to take care of theyr hospitals and schools.
I don't think. the USA has so much military power that with all the best efforts in the world, European countries will never be able to have less need of the USA.
Of course we can. If all European countries and Canada respected the 2% agreement, the USA would not have to make additional efforts, and the trust and relations between the members would only gain.
@Alexandrubaschet08 Honestly, I want you to explain to me why you want France to stay in NATO. In NATO you have the USA, then England and Germany, there is absolutely no need for France, and Romania remains protected by all these countries. And once, you told me the French were cowards, referring to WWII, nobody wants a coward in their team😉
France must remain in NATO because:- Can ensure the passage of Portuguese and Spanish troops to the east- It is the closest country with nuclear weapons to the NATO border.- It has the largest nuclear arsenal after the USA at the disposal of Europe- In order not to reduce the continent's nuclear arsenal- It has one of the best medical systems that can support a massive number of injured- Ensures a better fluidization of the transport at continental levelThese are the arguments of a non-specialist, me.
Yes, except that it is not because France would leave NATO that it would not help other countries in the event of a problem, before there was no NATO and that did not prevent countries from helping
Yes, there is no common goal, the defense of the North American and European continent. No one is interested in helping a non-Allied country.
If, for example, France leaves NATO, in the event of a problem it will always be on the side of the Westerners for obvious reasons. Moreover, when Charles de Gaulle made France leave NATO and that he renvoyed the American troops present on French soil, we were still on the side of the Americans against the USSR.
But if the Wasava pakt whas attaking West Berlin you will not go to war to stop the USSR influence.
The Russians will never do that because it would start WW3
Haha, French people really don't want to fight, eh? You can't expect the British people to do all the hard work for you!
Russia don't care about it. Putin declar he is not afraid to us nuclear bombs for the Baltic states and when Sweeden start to think to get in NATO Russia imidietly violate the teritory of Sweeden whit some armys and nuclear bombs in order to intimidate them. Russia is olso invadin many time the air space of the Baltic states as well even if it's NATO air space and that should mean to bomb thous airplanes. Rusia ocupate many teritorys whit theyr armys and hold an intervention one time on Rep. Moldova to cros the river Nistru for an exercise of invazion. They ocupate Crimea whitch put in danger Ukrain, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey and Georgia, the last one have olso ocupate teritory.
@Levin Do the English fight? You know very well my friend that the English rarely fight, on the other hand they give money to the other countrys of Europe so that they fight in their place😉
I don't minde if UK give East Europ like 50. billions GBP to buy some army :) and fight for ourself :)
Sorry, but when Putin first came to power, the Americans promised the Russians that they would not extend NATO to other countries and especially to countries close to Russia, the Americans betrayed their promises, and they seek to break in Russian influence by integrating its countries into NATO. The Crimea has always been Russian, and there is a large Russian population there.
Crimea was not always Russia's. There's a mix of people there. Crimea belonged to several states. In fact, at one time it was administered by the Duchy of Moldova during the time of Stephen the Great.We are glad and do not regret the fact that the US violated that agreement at all. Russia has absolutely no rights over our countries and we are free to do what we want. I personally support Ukraine's accession to NATO and the EU, the dethronement of the dictatorial president of Belarus. Russia to go to hell.The US is not officially an idiot, we countries that you say were under "Russian influence" have asked to be part of these alliances. The fact that it doesn't suit Russia to suck our cocks and fuck her ass alone.We are not the toys of the great powers, let it be clear.We were allies and enemies with Russia, none of the options suited the Russians and we did not like to deal with them. WE DON'T DEBT ANYTHING TO THE RUSSIANS EVEN THE FEW SLAVE WORDS IN OUR LANGUAGE!
It was the Russians who gave Crimea to Ukraine, and they got it back for strategic reasons, but what did the allies of Ukraine do to prevent Russia from annexing Crimea?🤣 for so much the Ukrainian president asked for help from western countries
But it is convenient for you to receive valuable inheritances.Don't inherit duty from your acestors, you ASSHOLE.You weren't interested in the second war either, until you were attacked. If you had been part of the League of Nations from the beginning, World War II would not have happened.Likewise with NATO, why not prevent such events? Why form alliances in the last moments when we can prevent major catastrophes.
olso, USA PAY 3% :P
My country fought on the WRONG SIDE in WW2 and the current world order is the direct result.
And don't even think of talking shit, YOUR country fought on BOTH sides and LOST both ways!
WTF? You want to say AXA whas the right side?
WTF? You want to say Soviet Union under Stalin was? LOL.
You are aware that you do not have all the information and mental skills to understand what we are talking about, right?Do you know about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? I see that you are somehow aware that Stalin was evil, but do you know that Hitler was too?My country was like Poland divided between several parts, it did not disappear from the map but Germany (AXA) and the USSR (Entente) took territories from my country, Germany gave the territories to Hungary and Bulgaria.It was best to support 1 of the 2 plans that were proposed and you did not accept them.1. A landing in the Balkans and the takeover of the eastern front under US and UK control. You refused and insisted on a landing in Normandy (France)2. Failure to support the "unthinkable plan" proposed by Churchil to continue the war, but this time against the USSR, in order to liberate the occupied countries of the USSR / Russia, both allied and neutral.If you think that the situation in the Second World War was so simple that you had to choose the AXA or Entente camp, then you have serious shortcomings in terms of history. My country also fought against Russia and Germany. Who did Poland have to fight to win the war and have the territories from 1939? Czechoslovakia as well... My country helped the Allies in the Entente more than France did in 1939, which capitulated, more than Italy, which fought against Germany after changing sides.
It's clear you're an ignorant ignoramus. People like you have brought the United States into the situation it is. And people like you have stormed the Senate like fools.
You mean The People's House? You're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about, fucko.
Changing sides in the middle of a war makes you a worthless ally no matter how much apologia you can rattle off. Berlusconi should have deported you to Africa.
In romanian i say as well Bulgaria, but i don't now in English.
They have the Balkan for that one :)) Turkey will never ever be able to take Balkans again. Whit Romania, Serbia and Greek they should keep calm
i suspect that theory will be tested in the next 5 to 15 years
I don't think so.