That's a long answer. I read it anyways. Thanks for sharing
How can you excuse a murder with the points 2 and 3?Dont get me wrong, I personally think those are good reasons to have an abortion. But NOT if you consider abortion akin to murder, only the death of the mother would justify murdering the life growing inside her, why should the fact that she hates that life be enough to justify its murder (this referring to reasons 2 and 3)
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No contraception is 100% effective.If the baby is going to be born in to a bad environment or the family will not be able to support it surely it's better to have an abortion than to put the baby in to the adoption/care system where they will most likely spend the majority of their childhood without a proper family...
@sophiejo you know there's lots of people that are financially secure and unable to have a child of their own. And people say it's so hard to prevent pregnancy, yet I managed from age of 27 on 🤷🏼♀️ and if all else fails, abstinence is 100% failproof
What about rape then?
@kookiezz I literally just explained yes I know rape is a hard thing but at the end of the day it wasn’t the baby that did it it was a guy so if anything the guy should be punished and not the child and if it’s gonna hurt you to looking at the child grow up and know that the father is a boy that raped you then maybe you should give the baby up for adoption or get therapy and help you with your problems that you have. And by you I’m not actually meaning you I’m just saying if a girl ever goes through this.
What about rape victims?
What about people who haven’t been educated about sex, or whose contraceptives fail, or who have sex with a man who lies about using contraceptives, or who have been falsely told they are infertile?
What about it?
Rape is a different discussion? Should the child of a rapist be sentenced to death because his father went out and raped some one?
You're making the claim that abortion should be illegal on the basis that women can "take control of their reproductive system". @Remyhehim has pointed out that there are cases where a woman is unable to retain control over their reproductive system. This invalidates your original point.
they already did it's called infanticide
@ninaneedshelp OMG, I had no idea they've stooped that low. Is it too late to abort Pelosi?
Unfortunately it is way too late it’s legal in NY and two other states I think
@ninaneedshelp Sick fucks.
Decide. Either you don't judge and decide only for yourself, or you say it should only be done when you say it should.
Well, people can do whatever they want to do with their body.
meant to reply to @Dweezil
Do tell. You seem to be the judge of moral superiority here.
@Dweezil what? you're implying we should get rid of all abortions, yet ignoring my arguments?
What I'm saying is if women actually took control of their reproductive systems abortion would not be an issue.
@Dweezil yeah but who says they don't? you're just automatically assuming that every women who gets pregnant has had sex by choice.
Rape is subset of the abortion discussion. I get annoyed when a abortion on demand proponents cannot logically counter the point a woman has total control of her body so abortion should not be needed. They come back with rape scenario. That is a separate discussion. If people are truly concerned about rape victims the " morning after pill" should be readily available at any emergency room or clinic. Any rape kit should include that option.Again, my issue is abortion on demand is used as a method of birth control.
If a woman truly is in control of her body, she will not get pregnant if she doesn't want a kid.
😂😂 and those that have been raped? And what control? No birth control is 100%. And screaming to not have sex is crazy. @Dweezil
Raped is a separate discussion.I am talking consensual sex. A mature women would take control of her reproductive system. If she did get pregnant she would do the adult thing.
😂😂 again, birth control isn't fully effective. Also nice to just shame women for the act that takes two.
@Dweezil What if she gets a genetic disease that renders the fetus severely malformed and will die in 2 years of constant pain if it was born?
I was born with a birth defect. A lady I know was pregnant with twins. A boy and a girl. The born was determined to have the same birth defect I have. Her doctor gave the lady the option to abort her son and keep her son. She showed me pictures of her sons wedding and new grandbaby. She then looked at me and said with a tear in her eye. "How could I ever thought of aborting my son. I would have killed my brothers twin brother. I would not have a new grand son. My sons wife would have a totally different life."Being like her son her point hit me hard.Who the fuck is anyone to tell me or anyone who isn't quite "normal" that my life has no value.I say fuck anyone who determines the value of life.Don't forget. The founder of planned parenthood wanted to curb the growth of the black population. Talk about racism.
Sorry abort the rant
@Dweezil I'm talking about a fatal birth defect that kills you before the age of 2, and it is 2 years of excruciating pain, then death. Would you support an abortion for that?
You are trying to promote an agenda.
Same rule applies to the second amendment but people don't see it
Nina, I'm not quite sure what you mean
@Dweezil people think the government should ban guns
Nina you are correct
@Dweezil thank you
Quiet one. The female is fully in control of she chooses to have sex or not unless she is raped. Therefore, by default she bares 100% of the burden.
@Dweezil you didn't answer my question.If a fetus has a malformation that means it will certainly die after 1 or 2 years of intense pain, would you say abortion is the right option and women should have safe legal access to it?
As a person born with a birth defect I believe I am more in touch with that scenario than you are. I had numerous surgeries as a kid. I told you about the lady who was given the choice of aborting her son who was born with the same defect as I was.I don't wish death on anyone.Should cancer patients who suffer severe constant pain and have only a short period of time to live be put to death?
@Dweezil you didn't answer my question. If there was a malformation that caused extreme pain 24 hours per day and the baby would only live 2 years with a 100% fatality rate. Would you want that baby to have two years of excruciating pain, then die? I just want to make sure that is what you want?
Again. It comes down to euthanasia be it before birth or after.The real question for you is are you for euthanasia for all health issues?
@Dweezil You didn't answer my question... again... Would you want that baby to suffer excruciating pain for 2 years and then die with a 100% chance. Or have a safe legal abortion? I asked you 3 times now but you just don't answer the question...
Again I compare it to euthanizing some one who is already in constant pain.Explain the difference between the two scenarios if you are able to rationally do so
@Dweezil lol, ok three times you dodged the question, you completely didn't answer it.. I'm done discussing this if you just avoid questions.. it was a yes or no question, and you just avoided it... 3 times...
And you avoided my question 3 times.So what exactly does that prove?
@Dweezil dude, are you like 5 years old? I gave you a question, then instead of answering it, you made up a new question to ask me. That's not how it works. If you get a yes or no question, you don't avoid it and then ask some other question! Yes or no.
Same thing applies to the second amendment but people don't see it
I don’t agree with banning guns by the way.
I know but people don’t see rules the same way banning guns mean more people will get guns illegally and innocent people get hurt that way
Yeah I know
Banning guns aren’t the answer
If a woman has a kid and the father doesn't want to pay child support, should the government force him to?If you want the government out of your uterus, the government needs to stay out of a father's wallet
@DweezilDon't want to pay for the child you help make? Don't have sex 😂 or wrap it. And then you shouldn't be forced to if you've actually taken precautions.
You a woman doesn't want a kid she should get fixed. Guys too. My point is abortion on demand is for immature females who are not able or refuse to take control of their bodies.This country needs to produce mature women. Not incapable little girls who are nothing but children.
So... Removing abortion... To make "immature" women- again love the wiped away issue of males need to take part too- have kids, that will potentially be abused and neglected since, according to you, they're immature. Is your best idea?I'm just gonna agree to disagree with you on this matter. I'm pretty firm on my views, as I can guess you are. 🙂
@Dweezil good point
Plus there are other things which are much more important like healthcare, climate change and getting people better paying jobs
We get it, you are sexually frustrated.
First off grow up you probably never have been pregnant or had to have a child you didn't want due to rape or some unfortunate circumstance
@JayisI That doesn't make murder right. It's unfortunate what happens in this world, but that doesn't mean we get to kill someone over it. If you're pregnant due to rape, I think the baby should still be born. Adoption is always an option, and though adoption and/or foster care can be pretty sucky, it's better than not being born at all.And you're six years older than me, stop acting like I'm five.
@Everglow5 is it breathing? No its not. And most people wished they weren't alive in foster care or any adoption service, there are too many kids wondering why they were given up and its never a good experience
@JayisI So what? Even if it's not breathing, imagine what that child could have become. Imagine the great things that child could have accomplished. And to the kids in foster care who wish they weren't alive, they're in the wrong state of mind.All I'm saying, is what if someone was contemplating aborting a fetus, but they ended up not. The child is born and one day they find out their mom was thinking of murdering them. Their mom was thinking of not giving them a chance at life because it was more convenient for her.I don't mean to offend you or anyone else, I just have a different opinions and my morals are clearly placed differently than yours. Good day, honey, God bless you.
@Everglow5 as what you just said growing up knowing my mother almost killed me would just make me more upset and the fact i would be alive would make me feel like i wasn't wanted anyway
Also @Everglow5 in a world where it was banned how would you expect women who would still do it be punished?
@JayisI Can you reword that? Perhaps adding commas and periods would help. I can't understand what you just said.
In a world with abortion banned, how would you punish the women still getting abortions
@JayisI That's not for me to decide. On the judgement day, those who remain unsaved will be evicted of their sins.
Why do u need a reason for something that’s never gonna happen and is a women’s right?