I 100% support the death penalty. These men should have gotten the death penalty in my opinion. Crazy how the man who raped his daughter multiple times only got 10 years.
Aethereal | 66 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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I support the death penalty. But only for murder.
All human beings have the right to life. It is, to me, the most basic human right. It follows that since we have the right to life, we have given up our right to take life. In the very same moment that an individual decided that he/she has the right to take life, is the exact same moment they give up their own right to life. You can NEVER have both rights. I find it extremely difficult to accept the idea that one may take life but at the same time have his/her life protected. It is nothing more than eating your cake and having it. I feel that accepting this view leads to a disturbing conclusion:
1. That the life of the murderer is of greater value than the life of the victim. Even worse; the life of the murderer acquires greater value the more victims are killed i. e. the life of the killer of 30 children is of greater value than the lives of those 30 children combined. By that logic, we should also be willing to agree that the lives of the killers of figures like Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr., Gandhi and others were of greater value than these people who brought quality to the world or their countries. This is a disgusting thing for me to accept (and I refuse to accept it).
2. I find it difficult to understand how sparing the life of the killer of 30 children is considered more humane than executing him/her. How it does not seem like a congratulatory act to spare the life of someone who killed so many innocent people with unknown potential. What if one of the children killed by Anders Breivik could have been the one to cure cancer or AIDS? How many will now die from these diseases because one man believed that unlike others around him, he alone had the right to take life. Permitting him and others like him life is far more inhumane than killing him as it demonstrates the lack of value attached to the lives of the victims. Moreso, it indirectly communicates that I would be similarly congratulated if I went out and killed a few people as well. It sets a precedent, a horrible, inhumane precedent.
U say that someone gives up the right to life when they take another life in every circumstance? What about soldiers in war? What if someone’s cancer meds makes them drowsy and they fall asleep at the wheel and kill someone? What if a doctor refuses care to someone who can’t pay and then they die? All these people have taken a life, do they all deserve to die?
“It follows that since we have the right to life, we have given up our right to take life. In the very same moment that an individual decided that he/she has the right to take life, is the exact same moment they give up their own right to life.” That puts the executioner in an awkward position
@UCrayCray Not really. The executioner is simply carrying out justice. He/she is a 3rd party, since this can't be left to something as unreliable as god (s) or karma. If I were to go into the details of how this whole thing (as I see it) would be arranged, we'd be looking at 3 to 5 pages of text at least. Suffice it to say that the executioner is not guilty for carrying out the execution. It's not a domino effect. You kill an innocent person, and by doing that, you lose your right to life. You may now be killed in turn without your killer losing their right to life, as you are not innocent (having already taken innocent life yourself). I am sorry for forgetting to highlight that this applies to the taking of innocent life (in this case, anyone that has not killed someone else) specifically.
@jjj101010 These are particular incidents that require some discussion and analysis. Discussion I tried to avoid because my answer was already long. I am giving a general rule here. As with all things, specifics will need to be ironed out. In terms of the scenarios you gave; the simple answer would be yes, but that ignores several important factors. Without going into too much detail (remember that all this is solely my own opinion): War for example, can be looked at as an agreement between two (or more) nations to legalize the murder of certain people (military personnel) for a period of time. This arguably nullifies my point on right to life. I believe that falling asleep at the wheel is purely an act of irresponsibility on the driver's part, and so, yes, they would be guilty in that scenario. In the doctor's case, he/she is arguably not guilty; although an argument can be made on the humanity of saving a life even in the absence of remuneration for that action, especially considering this is a profession concerned with saving lives. I think that if profit and income is given primacy, most crime is then justifiable. It's a complicated discussion, but in this case, the blame would fall more on the state for not controlling or subsidizing the cost of healthcare for it's citizens. I understand that I may not have eloquently expressed my opinion well here. My main point of contention on the subject of the death sentence is how wrong it feels to devalue the life of the victim while in relation to that of the murderer, and how that can logically be considered fair (especially when there are multiple victims).
There point about war legalising the killing of others becomes more of a legal argument than a moral one. However this is all a moral issue not a legal one as the laws are already laid out. It appears that the argument for taking a life boils down to its wrong unless we say it’s not, that is the only way the solider can do his job, or the executioner for that matter. Just coz it’s lawful, doesn’t mean it’s morally right. I have heard it argued that the sign of a civilised society is how they treat their least civilised, in this case criminals, and also their most vulnerable.
@jjj101010 Indeed. What is lawful is not necessarily morally right. These can be seen everywhere. However, the nature of society is that laws are necessary to control actions, while anything goes in the state of nature. This is because morals are subjective in relation to the person. For example; I think the death penalty is right because sparing the murderer implies that the victim's life was worth less. To me that is immoral. I'm sure other people who support and oppose this all have moral arguments in support of their position. Because of these various opinions on what is morally correct, I prefer to try and boil them down to something I think we can all agree on first (In this case, that we all have a right to life, and no right to take life). If we make that common point a law, we may then begin addressing the specifics from there, and the problems (such as why the victim's life has less value, how sparing the killer does not encourage exploitation, what constitutes incontrovertible evidence of guilt, etc.). It is even worth considering who gets to decide what is morally "right" anyway, and why. I have heard that line about what makes a civilized society. While I deeply respect the spirit in which it was made. I personally think it's an empty statement designed to attach a negative connotation to people who don't share a particular view. Similar statements have been made about other moral positions dealing with freedom, equality, international relations, etc., and their weakness lies in how their defenders erect double standards along the way when challenged. It's subjective as far as the quote goes. After-all, who gets to decide what makes a people "civilized" and others barbaric, and why them specifically and not someone else?
I understand the logic for the death penalty but as I stated previously in a separate chain, the death penalty is a practice that has been phased out in the majority of the world, someone wanted to dispute this but as I stated, of the 193 countries in the world only 53 still carry out capital punishment based on amnesty international figures. An argument could be made that morality is set by what the majority of people deem acceptable, therefore globally it is not deemed morally right. I’m sure u will have an opposing view to this and that’s fine. It would be a boring world if everyone thought the same.
Hermes-Paris | 185 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Yeah but you can't be wimpy about it. Gotta get the biggest bang for your buck. Do it in public and make a big show out of it. Sell tickets to help fund it. The US sucks at the death penalty. Whack 20 guys during superbowl halftime would be awesome. Better than the show they had this year for sure.
No, I don't support the death penalty, as capital "punishment" does nothing to correct a problem or "punish" an individual. The death penalty also isn't cost effective, as it costs more money to execute a prisoner than to keep him or her imprisoned for life. The death penalty also doesn't deter crime, as states with high crime rates also tend to have high execution rates. Criminals that don't care about whether they live or die are unlikely to fear the death penalty anyway. Instead, I am a firm believer in the notion that "there are fates worse than death." Instead of executing criminals, I believe in imprisoning them for life without parole and giving them harsher punishments and treatment while they're in prison. In other words, instead of killing them, make them wish they were dead.
I support death penalty but only for extreme cases. For example the one that you posted. Murder and rape is something that's unforgivable in my opinion. However, due to lack of sex ed in some areas, young boys have turned towards rape. They're not taught about "consent". I think those boys should be educated. I think the root cause of the problem should be eliminated wherever possible. In the above shown case, however, it was done by a fully grown man, paedophile. He definitely deserves to be hanged publicly so others can take note.
Believe it or not it actually does. They're not taught the concept of consent. They have no idea what to do with their horny asses. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending them. I'm just saying that the root cause should be eliminated. Give them the chair or whatever. They definitely deserve to be punished. I was merely talking about prevention.
Sargentcaptain | 761 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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"Since 1973, 185 former death-row prisoners have been exonerated of all charges related to the wrongful convictions that had put them on death row."
Innocent people getting murdered by the state is trash?
Dazed0N0Confused | 109 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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For several reasons, I do not support the death penalty: 1. Many people have been put to death who were later found innocent of their "crimes". 2. It costs more Taxpayer Money to put someone to death than to keep them alive for the rest of their days. 3. Death is freedom. Humans are social animals, keep them separated from others long enough & watch the psychological damage take hold. 4. Being treated like an animal the rest of your days is worse than death. Think Shawshank Redemption: the characters who were in the longest have the hardest time readjusting to society when released, like needing to ask permission to use the restroom because they COULDN'T otherwise & even killed themselves because they couldn't make not on the outside because they were so endocrined to prison life. 5. The Death Penalty doesn't discourage crime.
I mean if it's only 10 years or death penalty then yes to death penalty. Otherwise if he were to rot in jail for the rest of his life then I'd give him (and all people like that) lifetime jail with a bunch of gay prisoners to have him get passed around like a fuckin joint.
Fuckin disgusting. Honestly I'd gather all these animals and jettison them to an empty island where they can rape each other, far away from everyone else.
MarkRet | 918 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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I no longer support the death penalty, but on the other hand, the prison cells should be 1 meter high, 1 meter wide, and 2 meters deep. No prison suits, no bed, cement walls, small hole in floor to piss and crap, and they never leave their cell until prison term is up. No TV, no lifting weights, and no parole.
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josephinelcajon | 250 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Here is my thought. Our system is broken. Are you sure its the right person or someone railroaded by our broken system. O he admitted it! Wouldn't that be a mental illness? two wrongs dont make a right! So you get past all that they did a gruesome crime. I wouldn't want to have him sit around for years appealing then be gently put to sleep like a operation. NOPE I want to save the court money and let him rot in prison knowing he's going to die in that cell never free!
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Account | 909 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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I can't.
What if they capture the wrong person and kill them?
I can't even think how many people have been wrongfully executed. You can't take that back. It is not something that can be fixed.
Yes absolutely. I think child rapist and murderers, Serial killers especially the sadist one, serial rapist/molesters all deserve to die.
In my opinion I believe that the worst the crime the worst the execution. Or serial killers should die the same way that they killed. And pedophiles and child rapists should not receive any protection in prison
Death is an easy way out. Shouldn't they suffer more before they die?
In general the prison system in the US needs to change to rehabilitate people not punish them.
But some do deserve to suffer for doing horrible things.
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RagnarRedbeard | 100 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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For these guys something like this would do:
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Alyssa11 | 88 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Nobody has the right to take away another persons soul. Legalising it would say otherwise. There are other options for example indefinite imprisonment. This is just my opinion.
People don’t have the right to rape other but still do it, that’s my point. You saying they don’t have the right doesn’t change the fact that they will, and in reality many people do have the right to take a life, like the police or executioner. This is a fact.
Yes of course it doesn’t stop people. But I’m not really an advocate of the eye for an eye concept. And I suggest others means of punishment. A life imprisonment sentence is psychologically very challenging and I think it’s better than a death sentence. I don’t believe the government or the law has the right to kill someone. Yes, criminals do it but if the law does it then we are suggesting as a society it’s acceptable.
Also want to point out we’re not as violent as you guys are so I’m reading your comment right now thinking man im so glad i don’t live in the US lol. Imagine sending your kid to school knowing someone can just walk in and shoot them...
Lmaoo, girl men can rape and kill and only get a slap on the wrist where you are! Stop it, you guys are kinda a bunch of pussies when it comes to the law.
What are you talking about dude? He raped and impregnated his daughter! Of course he’s freaking convicted. That’s why he’s serving time. My point is that it’s only 10 years, which is disgusting.
jjj101010 | 156 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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No I don’t. It has been abolished in most of the world now. Although there are many people deserve it, there have been cases of people being exonerated years later and that can’t be corrected then.
There are 193 countries in the world. Only 53 have the death penalty. I’d argue that based on those numbers, most countries don’t have the death penalty
There are also cases of where people have been locked up for a crime they didn’t commit, your reasoning is stupid. And yes, most of the world does have the death penalty, don’t spread false info.
How many countries have the death penalty then? Yes people have been imprisoned falsely but they can be released if they find out later they r innocent, u can bring someone back from the dead. My facts r from amnesty international, happy to look at yours and be proved wrong through
Yes, he should have gotten the Death Penalty, too many crimes are committed and too many innocent people are on Death Row when they should be out of jail and too many criminals getting off scot-free like that guy this makes me sick
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The_Sal | 393 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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it's a tricky question.
everyone supports it until it's them or a loved one on death row
I know it's terrible. just saying once it's you in the chair or bed strapped down starring death in the eyes you'll rethink your position on the subject. unless of course you accept full responsibility and welcome death with open arms which very rare in a criminals case.
I think it's good to keep crime down but you yourself have to accept the possibilty that you and anyone you love will have to go through the same fate no exceptions.
Everyone wouldn’t have to go through the same fate, cause all crimes don’t require the same punishment. Your argument is invalid, and you must be oblivious or dumb.
Like seriously, it’s crazy how many guys your age are stupid af.
_Troian_ | 93 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Well.. still I can't see it as a great solution. I'd prefer to castrate this guy for what he done and tuck him in prison so he would live there rest of his life.
They’re not going to castrate any rapist in the US. What you people aren’t even thinking about are them raping other prisoners. And they get a free meal and bed while their own children they raped are dead and suffering? Unacceptable.
I totally agree on capital punishment. Eye for an eye. I think the U. S is to linient on criminals/ serial criminals. To many laws protecting them. I believe if the laws were way stricter, they would actually think twice about doing it.
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