It’s called leadership. Leaving when things get tough creates a terrible image. Also Biden is not responsible for Texas unwillingness to receive support from Federal government. Which is how all of this started. Texas would rather save money to no regulate their power grid.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, but Mr. Biden IS responsible for shutting down 4,000 jobs. Whatever the appearances, Mr. Cruz is NOT responsible that it snowed. Whatever the appearances, the implication of responsibility is erroneous.
Straw man argument and red hearing fallacy.
@ChefPapiChulo No, why should anyone care where Senator Cruz spent his time if he was not responsible for the situation and could do nothing about it? Perhaps the nation has bigger problems?Not a "Straw man argument and red hearing fallacy." However, yours was an intellectually vacuous response.
@nightdrot Oh, but he could do something about the situation. Raise money and get essentials to Texans who needed it.I guess your point is that he doesn't have to. Right, he doesn't.
I can explain to you what a fallacy is if you like. No one is accusing him of creating the situation.
@RolandCuthbert The money was there - that was not at issue. Ditto the delivery of essentials is - as I noted - an Executive branch function. An individual Member of Congress - House or Senate - cannot order the movement of a pen, let alone anything more substantial. As far as the cash. FEMA has its' budget for the year. Congress was not in session and in any case, being in the minority, Senator Cruz could not bring anything to the Senate floor without the Majority Leader's consent.Sorry, I have worked for both Senators and Representatives, including Members from Florida during hurricanes. You would be surprised how limited the ambit of their powers are in such circumstances.In any case, to repeat. Where Senator Cruz spent his time has - and had - zero impact on the situation in Texas. It was mostly fodder for those who prefer to conduct their politics with nostrils flared in self-promoting indignation.
@RolandCuthbert I think aoc volunteered at a food bank and helped raise money. She’s not even a republican. Or a Texan. That is just amazing leadership on her part.
@ChefPapiChulo My point was to cover all contingencies. As the complaint is largely irrational, it seemed wise to emphasize the distance of Senator Cruz's conduct from any of the facts that warrant consideration.No need to explain what a fallacy is. You have amply demonstrated it.
People are accusing him of poor leadership. Yet you’re using a straw man argument to make it seem like the whole thing is his fault. You then use Biden as a distraction, thus using a red hearing fallacy. Your argument isn’t very strong.
@ChefPapiChulo People may accuse as they wish. That does not give those accusations merit.No, Mr. Biden is NOT a distraction. The question that was posed was about "caring." Well, did Mr. Biden's action suggest caring for those whom he put out of a job? If so, it is a very funny way of showing it.Mr. Cruz's actions had no impact one way or the other. Mr. Biden's definably and absolutely did. If the criteria is compassion, Mr. Biden comes out looking the worse.In any case, MY point was that the whole argument either way is nonsense on stilts. Mr. Biden may rightly argue that any policy choice will have both positive and negative effects. It can be reasonably debated whether the trade-offs are worth the cost. Suffice to add that if "caring" is the metric for judging merit, then Mr. Biden does not look so good.By contrast, Senator Cruz's actions were - and are - immaterial to the condition of his home state. He did not cause those conditions and there is nothing he can substantively do, at least in the short term, to improve those conditions in any significant way. (AOC could just as easily send the money she raised to the people who lost jobs on the Keystone pipeline and or who never got the chance to get jobs at Amazon. Forgive me, I know moral exhibitionism when I see it.) His presence in Texas would have changed absolutely nothing at all.
Not reading a word of that nonsense
@ChefPapiChulo How do you know it is nonsense if you did not read it.Really child, epithets and ad hominems are not a substitute for a reasoned argument or a civil debate. Your reliance on emotion and indignation is illustrative of what plagues the culture. Not persuasive, to say no more.
Try creating a sound argument for once instead of relying on fallacies. I know it’s easier to lie but try being honest for once.
@ChefPapiChulo You've yet to point out any fallacies in my argument.Did Senator Cruz's presence in Texas matter to events there one way or the other? No.Did he have the constitutional power to impact events there? No.Does focusing on Senator Cruz's failure to be in Texas in any way materially hurt or improve the situation there? No. In fact, it is a distraction designed to provide catharsis for those who gain catharsis from such things.If the metric is "caring," whose actions were more relevant - Mr. Cruz or Mr. Biden's? (Indeed, for that matter, specific to Texas, it took Mr. Biden four days to declare an emergency in that state and he is only this week going to step foot in the state.) Again, if the metric is "caring," what should we extrapolate from Mr. Biden's killing 4000 jobs and his response to the complaints against him for doing so?These are the relevant questions. You banging your spoon on your high chair about my "fallacies" - which you have not specified or demonstrated - does not reduce the relevancy of those questions.
I’d prefer not to fall in your trap.
@ChefPapiChulo What trap would that be? Oh, and by the way, so long as we are speaking of caring and who cares more. Not only would it be meritorious to look at Mr. Biden's actions on the Keystone pipeline, what are we to make of Governor Cuomo's actions in New York?The mortality rate for Democratic "compassion" does seem to be rather high.
Repeating the same thing over again, doesn’t make it true.
@ChefPapiChulo So stop repeating yourself and answer my points - specifically and concretely.
“ People are accusing him of poor leadership. Yet you’re using a straw man argument to make it seem like the whole thing is his fault. You then use Biden as a distraction, thus using a red hearing fallacy. ”I have. Your argument is a fallacy.
@ChefPapiChulo Except that I did not write that. To repeat, my point was that where Mr. Cruz spent his time is an irrelevancy. It matters not a whit, particularly given that the powers of his office did not give him any ability to materially impact the disaster relief efforts. That being the jurisdiction of the Executive branch.You may want o re-read what I wrote. Suffice to say, you have not, to say the least, addressed my specific points or indeed even the general thrust of my argument.
It matters not a whit, particularly given that the powers of his office did not give him any ability to materially impact the disaster relief efforts. “ AOC is not part of the executive branch last time I checked.
@ChefPapiChulo Her efforts mattered not a whit. Nice that she did it. However, if you like, we can cut off all the Federal aid and rely on charity. Ya think that's a good idea?You see my point? It is empty gesture politics. Whatever warm fuzzies it may produce it is inconsequential to the resolution of the issue at hand. Besides, as I say, did AOC raise money for the Keystone workers who lost their jobs? For the people who did not get jobs at Amazon because of her efforts? For the people who lost family members in New York rest homes?Bottom line, it was great theater and lousy policy. AOC's actions, as I mentioned, offered catharsis for those who like to feel morally superior. It hardly amounted to a real solution. Again, the point of my initial answer being that the nation is far too preoccupied with unimportant visuals and gesture politics, and too little with substantive analysis and concrete solutions.
There you go again with your fallacies. Yes it does matter. There’s a saying, when the going gets tough, the Ted Cruz run away and the AOC help.
@ChefPapiChulo Okay, how much money did AOC raise? What policy changes did she make in Texas or at the Federal level?Be specific. If it mattered, what were the long term effects and what changes were immediately demonstrable?
@ChefPapiChulo Not sure where you got the idea that I was not calm. I am, in fact, quite calm if a bit bemused. So, please, answer my questions. Specifically and concretely.
She helped raised millions. She put her influence to good use, and she displayed examples of what a good leader is supposed to be. While Ted Cruz got his swimming trunks in his suitcase and headed to Mexico for the weekend.
@ChefPapiChulo How much specifically. Millions - when billions are at issue - is hardly impressive.As to leadership, if a leader leads you nowhere - other than to your own sense of self-satisfaction - I don't much consider that leadership. A nice gesture on her part, perhaps, but hardly a matter of great moment. By your logic, anyone who volunteers at a soup kitchen is a leader. Suffice to say, probably not. A nice person, but not a leader.Besides, as noted, were we to tally up the cost in jobs that AOC inflicted on her own state by her opposition to Amazon setting up shop there, my hunch is that she would look less impressive. A leader who can deliver jobs being preferred to one who offers up periodic charity.
“ How much specifically. Millions - when billions are at issue - is hardly impressive.”All or nothing fallacy. “ As to leadership, if a leader leads you nowhere - other than to your own sense of self-satisfaction - I don't much consider that leadership. A nice gesture on her part, perhaps, but hardly a matter of great moment. By your logic, anyone who volunteers at a soup kitchen is a leader. Suffice to say, probably not. A nice person, but not a leader.”“ Besides, as noted, were we to tally up the cost in jobs that AOC inflicted on her own state by her opposition to Amazon setting up shop there, my hunch is that she would look less impressive. A leader who can deliver jobs being preferred to one who offers up periodic charity.”Red herring fallacy. That was pathetic. Just plain pathetic.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, you keep telling me that. You just don't answer my questions with any specificity.It hardly takes leadership to show up at a soup kitchen. Moreover, as I noted before, if you are so convinced of the equality of government action to AOC's charitable impulses, ask yourself if you would prefer to rely on that latter alone.The latter is not a "red herring fallacy." If we are to be practical, we must weigh the costs and benefits of AOC's "leadership," if such it can indeed be called.In any case, you continue to evade the questions I have asked you. Seeming rather content to indulge emotional reactions rather than analyze actual programs, policies and specific circumstances. So I am going to ever so gently suggest that you put your passions aside and re-read what I initially wrote. At this point you seem more enamored of making a case for AOC than you do for addressing my central thesis. The latter of which is something quite different from that which seems to have stoked you at the moment.
What you write is nonsensical.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, you keep insulting me. However, it remains the case that epithets are not a substitute for a reasoned argument and declarative statements on your part that what I write is nonsense is not thereby validated. So, try addressing the real issue. Which was not that you don't like me, or that you think that AOC is so cool or whatever. Specifically, how did Senator Cruz's actions make a material difference one way or the other to circumstances in Texas? If they did, explain how? If not, explain why they should do preoccupy excitable types such as yourself, let alone the media and the public at large?
I wasn’t insulting you. I’m addressing your arguments as nonsensical. Which they are.
@ChefPapiChulo You have a funny way of expressing it. Now, if you would be so kind, if you intend to persist in the discussion, address my other points in the last posting above.
You arguments are nonsensical because you rely on fallacies.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, you keep saying that too. However, declarative sentences do not a reasoned argument make. So, for the nth time, please reply - specifically - to the points I mentioned in my posting two above this one.
You keep rewording your questions, followed by ad hominem attacks “ preoccupy excitable types such as yourself”. I've responded already.
@ChefPapiChulo No you have not. The most basic question - how did Senator Cruz's presence in Texas materially impact the conditions in that state?If it impacted the conditions in Texas, how and explain?If not, why should it be a matter of concern to anyone, least of all those in Texas whom one might imagine have bigger concerns that Senator Cruz's travel schedule?
You’ve provided nothing but fallacies. I have answered your questions.
@ChefPapiChulo No sorry, not straw man. Material to the argument I made and you've demonstrate why it is irrelevant. After all, this was about Senator Cruz caring and my argument was, why does it matter? Beyond that, try again:How did Senator Cruz's presence in Texas materially impact the conditions in that state?If it impacted the conditions in Texas, how and explain?If not, why should it be a matter of concern to anyone, least of all those in Texas whom one might imagine have bigger concerns that Senator Cruz's travel schedule?
I’ve answered your questions when you asked them in a different format before.
@ChefPapiChulo Nope, in fact I have copied and pasted them. Try again:How did Senator Cruz's presence in Texas materially impact the conditions in that state?If it impacted the conditions in Texas, how and explain?If not, why should it be a matter of concern to anyone, least of all those in Texas whom one might imagine have bigger concerns that Senator Cruz's travel schedule?
www.google.com/.../...returns-from-cancun-trip.ampHe admits to it being a mistake.
@ChefPapiChulo Politically it was. Mine was the more elemental question, Ought it to be? If our politics is focused on the trivial, it should not surprise us that it will fail to address the more important questions.Did Senator Cruz "care"? Given his limitation of his office, did it matter? Which is why my questions, which you STILL have failed to answer, are pertinent.Those questions were - to repeat - How did Senator Cruz's presence in Texas materially impact the conditions in that state?If it impacted the conditions in Texas, how and explain?If not, why should it be a matter of concern to anyone, least of all those in Texas whom one might imagine have bigger concerns that Senator Cruz's travel schedule?
Yes it ought to be. Because he cowered away, instead of standing by the people who voted him into a position of leadership.
@ChefPapiChulo Which had what effect? If it mattered, there must be some concrete reason that it mattered. Again, if the metric is "caring is its own reward," then Mr. Biden and Mr. Cuomo have some issues. Mr. Cruz's actions, after all, making no material difference, while the former two did.Besides, as people sat in their homes without power or water, what would be your guess as to how many were thinking, "Gosh, if only Senator Cruz were in his home right now, MY life would be better."Really sir, it is silliness on stilts.So again, How did Senator Cruz's presence in Texas materially impact the conditions in that state?If it impacted the conditions in Texas, how and explain?If not, why should it be a matter of concern to anyone, least of all those in Texas whom one might imagine have bigger concerns that Senator Cruz's travel schedule?
“Which had what effect? “A lot of pissed off people.
@ChefPapiChulo Were they "pissed off" because they were cold or were they "pissed off" because of Senator Cruz's vacation plans? Cause and effect, my friend.If there anger conduced to better outcomes, then all to the good. If it was just displaced emotionalism then it simply translates into an empty gesture politics. So, again,How did Senator Cruz's presence in Texas materially impact the conditions in that state?If it impacted the conditions in Texas, how and explain?If not, why should it be a matter of concern to anyone, least of all those in Texas whom one might imagine have bigger concerns that Senator Cruz's travel schedule?
“ Were they "pissed off" because they were cold or were they "pissed off" because of Senator Cruz's vacation plans? Cause and effect, my friend.”You can be pissed about several things at once.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, but they would not have cared a whit had they not been sitting in freezing homes. The bottom line being that anger toward Senator Cruz - such as it was - was incidental too and derivative of its primary cause. That being the collapse of the power grid. Which, to repeat, the Senator's vacation and presence had no material bearing on one way or the other.
he used his favorite scapegoats, Biden and AOC when California was having problems with their power grid. Now his state is facing similar problems. Ironic if you ask me. The world needs less Ted Cruz and more AOC.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, I sense that you think that. Frankly, I am a fan of neither, However, I hardly think there is much to choose between Cruz's populism and AOC's arrested development teenager school of politics. Indeed, look closely. They have more in common than you realize.
All you have to offer are logical fallacies.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, you repeat that like a cuckoo clock. Adds not a whit's worth of substance to the conversation and it makes you feel good. Which nearest I can tell seems to be the whole point of your political philosophy. That is if anything so shallow can be dignified with the word "philosophy."Bottom line, I have made my case. You never - EVER - answered my questions. Beyond that, I will cheerfully match my credentials and experience against yours any day. Thus if anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it is not you.
You haven’t made a case. You spouted nonsense.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, another bald assertion that my 4000-plus character essay above pretty obviously refutes. Please, child, go to school. Go learn something.
“ Yes, another bald assertion that my 4000-plus character essay above pretty obviously refutes. ”As if 4000 characters can’t be nonsense. Your argument is built on a house of cards. And when you lose, you resort to ad hominem. Calling adults children.
@ChefPapiChulo Well, as far you are concerned, it is axiomatic that you cannot reason a person out of a viewpoint into which they were not reasoned to begin with.Bottom line, I wrote 4000 words all at once. You can't manage a tenth of that. Plus also to note that you could not answer my questions and have repeated the phrase "Straw man argument and red hearing fallacy." in some form or fashion more times than a well trained parrot.Bottom line, you calling what I wrote "nonsense" is like being called ugly by a frog.
I’m sorry, but I attacked what you wrote as nonsense. Arguments full of fallacies, which I pointed out, might as well be written in the sand.
@ChefPapiChulo To which you have now added a cliche that makes absolutely no sense. Really, ya probably ought find another line of work.
“ Really, ya probably ought find another line of work.”Whatever that means. More nonsense, it’s just not a whole paragraph of it.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, you keep saying that. Over and over and over like a sqwawking parrot. Makes you feel morally superior I am sure, but it is ironic coming from a man who could not even answer the most basic questions I put to him. Speaking of irony, do you have any idea what the phrase, " written in the sand," means? Because this I can tell you. You are helping to refute it.
I’ve answered several of your questions. You just spout nonsense and then repeat them differently. Followed by an ad hominem.
@ChefPapiChulo No, you did not. As I repeated them several times. Beyond that, as I say, you REALLY don't have a sense of irony do you? Forget about all my previous questions, just answer the one about " written in the sand." Because as I say, pace my point on your sense of irony, you really don't seem to get it, do you?
When you write in the sand, it blows away almost instantly. I’ve never heard of a phrase written in the sand. I have heard of written in the stars.
@ChefPapiChulo... and you don't see the irony here. For Lord's sakes, you don't even have a basic command of the tropes of the language. Not your best day, let's just put it that way.
I’ve pointed out your fallacies. It seems like you have a problem creating logical arguments. And when you’re confronted, you resort to personal attacks.
@ChefPapiChulo Pots and kettles my friend. Who started with the ad hominems. In any case, you still have not answered my questions. Clearly you are refuting your own "written on sand" case, and to borrow another phrase, do you know what it means when someone tells you that the best way to get out of hole is to stop digging.Really, child, not impressive.
“ Pots and kettles my friend. Who started with the ad hominems. ”“ Really, child, not impressive”That is some good irony.
@ChefPapiChulo Give as good as you get. Believe me, let me spare you any suspense. The longer this dialogue has droned on, the less impressive you get. I am not attacking you in lieu of your arguments. I am attacking you BECAUSE of those arguments, including your use of cliches that you do not appear to recognize are cliches. Because you cannot answer my questions. Because you came after me saying that my 4000 words was all straw man arguments when you can barely manage 40 words.Really, sir, find something better to do with your day. It is clear you are wildly out of your depth.
“including your use of cliches that you do not appear to recognize are cliches“Circular argument fallacy.
@ChefPapiChulo Wow, snappy retort there. How might you have written it?
Pointing out your fallacious arguments is easy. You make so many of them.
@ChefPapiChulo Then be specific. Answer the question as to how what I just wrote was "circular" and how would you have written it differently. "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" and all that.
You’re saying something is X because it is X. There’s no logic in that.
@ChefPapiChulo Enough drumbeating. Spell it out, specifically and concretely. Demonstrate it to be a circular argument and how would you have written it differently?
I just did. Circular argument is repeating what the already assumed beforehand. It doesn’t matter how I would have worded it. If something is cliche I would explain the reasons why it is. Just like I explained what you said is a fallacy.
@ChefPapiChulo No. You described what a circular argument is. Now show how mine is and how you would have written it differently.As to cliches, considering that you use them without even seeming to be aware of it - see "written on sand" above - we will hold off on that for another day. Now, try again. It will require more than just two or three paragraphs. Indeed, it will require whole paragraphs. So let's see how you do.
I've explained to you how it’s a circular argument.
@ChefPapiChulo No. Actually, you just described what defines a circular argument. Thanks. Got that.So try again - show how mine is a circular argument and how you would have written it differently. Oh, and if you think you have already done so, humor me and write it out again.
@ChefPapiChulo Well, that's up to you. As I say, at bare minimum you have managed to refute your point about "written on sand." Good enough for government work.
I said “might as well be written in the sand”. Not on the sand.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, well, as we have learned today you are the expert on the use of cliches that you did not even recognize were cliches. So, we'll run with that.
You can create all the straw man arguments you want.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, and you can repeat the same sentences all you want. As I say, I am being called ugly by a frog.
And now the pity fallacy.
@ChefPapiChulo Sir, just hit "copy and paste." It'll save you time.
I wouldn’t have to if you made logical arguments.
@ChefPapiChulo Wash, rinse, repeat.
That’s not great advice.
@ChefPapiChulo... always repeat.
Yes. Irony at its best.
@ChefPapiChulo... and again and again and again...
Yes. You repeat yourself. I agree.
@ChefPapiChulo The aforementioned Biblical injunction about sin and stone throwing comes to mind. Oh well, "the world is not made for people who are burdened with the curse of self-awareness."You'll do just fine.
Oh well, "the world is not made for people who are burdened with the curse of self-awareness."I’ve seen you say this before many times. You often repeat things.
@ChefPapiChulo It's a quote. Hence the quotation marks. Where it fits, I apply it. Suffice to say, it applies often particularly amongst this benighted generation.
And more fallacies.
@ChefPapiChulo Yes, you are right. Nothing quite suggests the adulthood of the age than having to put warning labels on re-runs of The Muppets. It is an enlightened age, isn't it?
That’s not even relevant. I’m sorry but you’re not making any sense.
@ChefPapiChulo... and the prosecution rests.
When you make arguments. Make sure they make sense.
@ChefPapiChulo Take a little while. Sit down. Take some deep breaths. Think it through. You might begin to see the point. Although based on your past record, that is more hope than expectation.
Calm down please.
@ChefPapiChulo Uhmmm, quite calm. Not sure how you took from what I posted above that I am in an agitated state. Bored - a little. Bemused - certainly. However, I can assure you that I am quite calm.
Good to hear.
@ChefPapiChulo Glad I was able to please you somehow.
Weird. But no problem
@ChefPapiChulo Are we not supposed to do our fellow man a good turn. I thought that was what you enlightened types were all about? Anyhow, as I say, happy to oblige.
“ I thought that was what you enlightened types were all about?”Have 0 idea of what that means.
@ChefPapiChulo That does not surprise me in the slightest.
Sure thing boss
People on right give more to charity than people on the left. Usually people on the left end up taking the donations for themselves.
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Trumptards are just farther right and worse the conservatives. That doesn't wash away conservatives' their shittines. I still remember clearly, it was the bastard conservative Republican war mongers who pushed for wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya). Wars that killed hundreds of thousand of people DEAD and still rabid for more. This time with with Iran. Liberals, the 'supposed opposition' of conservative Republicans just goes along like a bitch they are. Liberal president like Obama ''Mr won the nobel peace prize'' continued the drone striking, they're not so different. Anyways conservatives DON'T care and just pretends, just like how they pretended to care about Libyan people under Gaddafi but 10 years laters don't care about Libya now after NATO intervention. Conservatives don't care because they believe in selfish extreme individualism, small government, small social safety net expect when it comes to militarism they want big fat governemnt.
Past: Everyone knew their neighbors, Now: No one knows a neighborPast: No Debts Now : 40 Trillion in DebtsPast : No Microwaves Now : People put babies in MicrowavesPast: We only went to war when needed and won. Now : We just police and lose.Past: We worshiped God Now: We worship environment and Mother EarthPast: $30,000 a year income one person bought house and put kids through college. Now: You are homeless living out of shopping baskets.Past: People married for life. Now : They play house and have kids then split.
@888theGreat: The stupidity you wrote just proves my point that conservatives tend to be stupid.
Just facts. I can't help it if you are too thick to understand it.
@888theGreat: Yeah sure. 👌
If it helps you are not as thick headed as Agape
Bruh, you don't actually understand conservative thought.
@Celtero: Yeah, I do. Conservatives don't like progress or change. Conservatives ideals don't work because technology, education, modern times abd humans evolve.When I was born, 34 years ago times have changed, a different generation have come thus we have to adapt to modern living and how we move forward, not be stuck in the past.
Are you thinking of luddites? Because that much more fits your definition.
@Celtero: Point is things advance and change over time. We have to get with the program and stay stuck in the past. Those ideas and philosophies are outdated.
Give me an example then.
@Celtero: The way we use energy. Our technology is a way more advanced than it was in the past like 30 and 40 years ago.The old traditional way of producing energy is toxic and harmful to the environment.The way we educate. Children now are growing up in the digital age, thus we must change our education system in a way children feel comfortable learning materials.Prison reform. Throwing someone in a cage for years isn't going to make them better as people. Prisons shouldn't be private institutions for profit as their isn't incentive to actually help criminals but the opposite is true.Build prisons with better conditions, better food and programs and treat criminals like you actually are trying to help them change for the better.A well regulated capitalist society were a 500 fortune CEO doesn't make a salary average of 300× more than their workers.A modern society where the average man and woman voice is heard and not just the rich and powerful telling everyone what to think, accept or do as in the ancient days.
Solar and wind are hardly the answer though. Stuff like natural gas or nuclear energy helps reduce carbon emissions much more, yet "progressives" prefer ineffective and space consuming solar and wind.Conservatives prefer to put their children in private school due to how shitty public schools are. They understand the free market provides better results, rather than have the public schools and teachers' unions always begging for more of your tax dollars while providing some of this worst education in the West. The justice system isn't always about reform. It also acts as a penal system and deterrent to crime. The harsher the punishment, the less likely people are going to commit that crime. Besides, I'll have you recall that president Trump signed a prison reform bill. So to say that conservatives want to keep prisons the same is wrong. If we put restrictions on economic freedom, these companies will just move to somewhere else and we'll lose their tax revenue and jobs. Budweiser, Burger King, Purina, Frigidaire, and Seagate are just a few examples of American made companies that moved overseas to get taxed less.
He is a twinkie?
I did have AIDS yeah but still alive.
glad to hear it
Aids kills , you mean HIV
Do you ask them what their political affiliation is?
@Agape93 fo liberals wear manga hats. Like at the height of the George Floyd riots when black folks were being burned out of their homes and businesses by the BLM & ANTIFA I never saw a single liberal at the shelter we set up in the church, probably because they were to busy rioting.
Love how you didn’t answer my question
@Agape93 do liberals wear manga hats?
I’ve never seen a single person wearing a manga hat. Now stop deflecting and answer the question.
@Agape93 you are the one deflecting. Perhaps grab a ladder rather than asking silly questions
I’m not deflecting. I’m asking you a simple question that you have yet to actually answer. Ladle, by the way. Not laddle. Also it’s spelled MAGA not manga. :/ So now, is your little hissy fit done? Can you finally answer my question?
@Agape93 I see the kids in the streetsWith not enough to eatWho am I to be blind?Pretending not to see their needs
Still waiting for you to answer. It’s literally a yes or no question lol would you like me to repeat it for you?
Ah why not. Let’s try this again! :) Do you ask them what their political affiliation is?
@Agape93 A summer disregard, a broken bottle topAnd a one man soulThey follow each other on the wind ya' know'Cause they got nowhere to goThat's why I want you to knowI'm starting with the man in the mirrorI'm asking him to change his waysAnd no message could have been any clearerIf you want to make the world a better placeTake a look at yourself, and then make a changeNa-na-na, na-na-naNa-na, na-na
Or are you just going to be childish because you can’t answer a yes or no question?
@Agape93 There's a place in your heartAnd I know that it is loveAnd this place it was brighter than tomorrowAnd if you really tryYou'll find there's no need to cryIn this place you'll feel there's no hurt or sorrowThere are ways to get thereIf you care enough for the livingMake a little spaceMake a better place
Ah back to childish. Ok makes sense for the right wing to act like that. That’s ok, I’m patient. I’ll let you sing your song or do your poem.
Multiple studies have confirmed that conservatives and people on the right donate their time and money at a substantially higher rate than liberals.
Good for them. I’m not asking about that. I’m asking if she asks their political affiliation or not. Why? Unless she does, she cannot know if she sees liberal at the soup kitchens or not.
@Agape93 Heal the worldMake it a better placeFor you and for me, and the entire human raceThere are people dyingIf you care enough for the livingMake a better place for you and for meIf you want to know whyThere's love that cannot lieLove is strongIt only cares of joyful givingIf we try we shall seeIn this bliss we cannot feelFear of dread, we stop existing and start livingThen it feels that alwaysLove's enough for us growingMake a better worldSo make a better world
:) let me know when you’re done
@Agape93 And the dream we were conceived in will reveal a joyful faceAnd the world we once believed in will shine again in graceThen why do we keep strangling lifeWound this earth, crucify its soul?Though it's plain to see, this world is heavenlyBe god's glowWe could fly so highLet our spirits never dieIn my heart I feel you are all my brothersCreate a world with no fearTogether we cry happy tearsSee the nations turn their swords into plowsharesWe could really get thereIf you cared enough for the livingMake a little spaceTo make a better placeHeal the worldMake it a better placeFor you and for me, and the entire human raceThere are people dyingIf you care enough for the livingMake a better place for you and for meHeal the worldMake it a better placeFor you and for me, and the entire human raceThere are people dyingIf you care enough for the livingMake a better place for you and for me
@Agape93 What about sunrise?What about rain?What about all the thingsThat you said we were to gain?What about killing fields?Is there a time?What about all the thingsThat you said was yours and mine?Did you ever stop to noticeAll the blood we've shed before?Did you ever stop to noticeThis crying Earth, these weeping shores?Ah-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh
@Agape93 What have we done to the world?Look what we've doneWhat about all the peaceThat you pledge your only son?What about flowering fields?Is there a time?What about all the dreamsThat you said was yours and mine?Did you ever stop to noticeAll the children dead from war?Did you ever stop to noticeThis crying Earth, these weeping shores?Ah-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh
And a long one lol
@Agape93 used to dreamI used to glance beyond the starsNow I don't know where we areAlthough I know we've drifted farAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ah
Sounds like it’s nearing the end
@Agape93 OverviewLyricsListenOther recordingsPeople also search forWhat about sunrise?What about rain?What about all the thingsThat you said we were to gain?What about killing fields?Is there a time?What about all the thingsThat you said was yours and mine?Did you ever stop to noticeAll the blood we've shed before?Did you ever stop to noticeThis crying Earth, these weeping shores?Ah-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohWhat have we done to the world?Look what we've doneWhat about all the peaceThat you pledge your only son?What about flowering fields?Is there a time?What about all the dreamsThat you said was yours and mine?Did you ever stop to noticeAll the children dead from war?Did you ever stop to noticeThis crying Earth, these weeping shores?Ah-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohI used to dreamI used to glance beyond the starsNow I don't know where we areAlthough I know we've drifted farAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahHey, what about yesterday?(What about us?)What about the seas?(What about us?)The heavens are falling down(What about us?)I can't even breathe(What about us?)What about apathy?(What about us?)I need you(What about us?)What about nature's worth?(Ooh)It's our planet's womb(What about us?)What about animals?(What about it?)We've turned kingdoms to dust(What about us?)What about elephants?(What about us?)Have we lost their trust(What about us?)What about crying whales?(What about us?)We're ravaging the seas(What about us?)What about forest trails?(Ooh)Burnt despite our pleas(What about us?)
Lmao you copied the whole top section too
@Agape93 What about the holy land?(What about it?)Torn apart by creed(What about us?)What about the common man?(What about us?)Can't we set him free(What about us?)What about children dying?(What about us?)Can't you hear them cry?(What about us?)Where did we go wrong?(Ooh)Someone tell me why(What about us?)What about baby boy?(What about it?)What about the days?(What about us?)What about all their joy?(What about us?)What about the man?(What about us?)What about the crying man?(What about us?)What about Abraham?(What about us?)What about death again?(Ooh)Do we give a damn?Ah-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-oohAh-ah-ah-ah-ahOoh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh
Is this another one? I think so. I have time to wait for your childishness to end :) take your time
@Agape93 From a distance the world looks blue and greenAnd the snow capped mountains whiteFrom a distance the ocean meets the streamAnd the eagle takes to flightFrom a distanceThere is harmonyAnd it echoes through the landIt's the voice of hopeIt's the voice of peaceIt's the voice of every man
@Agape93 From a distanceWe all have enoughAnd no one is in needAnd there are no guns, no bombs and no diseaseNo hungry mouths to feedFrom a distanceWe are instrumentsMarching in a common bandPlaying songs of hopePlaying songs of peaceThey are the songs of every manGod is watching usGod is watching usGod is watching usFrom a distance
Cute song Also the @tags don’t work when you’re anon. Just an FYI xD
@Agape93 From a distanceYou look like my friendEven though we are at warFrom a distanceI just cannot comprehendWhat all this fightings forFrom a distanceThere is harmonyAnd it echoes through the landAnd it's the hope of hopesIt's the love of lovesIt's the heart of every manIit's the hope of hopesIt's the love of lovesThis is the song for every man
Yeah you’re not even paying attention lol
@Agape93 God is watching usGod is watching usGod is watching usFrom a distanceOh, God is watching usGod is watchingGod is watching usFrom a distance
And he’s watching you duck a simple question lol
@Agape93 Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth?Ooh, Heaven is a place on EarthThey say in Heaven, love comes firstWe'll make Heaven a place on EarthOoh, Heaven is a place on EarthWhen the night falls downI wait for you, and you come aroundAnd the world's aliveWith the sound of kids on the street outsideWhen you walk into the roomYou pull me close, and we start to moveAnd we're spinnin' with the stars aboveAnd you lift me up in a wave of loveOoh, baby, do you know what that's worth?Ooh, Heaven is a place on EarthThey say in Heaven, love comes firstWe'll make Heaven a place on EarthOoh, Heaven is a place on Earth
I can wait:) keep it up. Your dodging only goes to show me that you’re full of it.
@Agape93 When I feel aloneI reach for you, and you bring me homeWhen I'm lost at seaI hear your voice, and it carries meIn this world, we're just beginnin'To understand the miracle of livin'Baby, I was afraid beforeBut I'm not afraid anymoreOoh, baby, do you know what that's worth?Ooh, Heaven is a place on EarthThey say in Heaven, love comes firstWe'll make Heaven a place on EarthOoh, Heaven is a place on Earth
Did you know they recently found living organisms under 3000ft of ice? Awesome stuff
The lady's adrift in a foreign landSinging on issues both humble and grand ADecade flew past her and there on the pageShe read that the prince had returned to the stageHovering near treacherous watersA friend saw her drifting and caught herUnguarded fantasies flying too farMemories tumbling like sweets from a jar And take me down to the harbor now Grapes of the summer are low on the boughGhosts of my history will follow me thereAnd the winds of the old days will blow through my hairBreath on an undying ember It doesn't take much to rememberThose eloquent songs from the good old daysThat set us to marching with banners ablazeBut reporters, there's no sense in pryingOur blue-eyed son's been denyingThe truths that are wrapped in a mysteryThe sixties are over so set him free
One of Julius Caesar’s adopted sons was a ginger
@Agape93 And take me down to the harbor nowGrapes of the summer are low on the boughGhosts of my history will follow me thereAnd the winds of the old days will blow through my hairWhy do I sit the autumnal judgeYears of self-righteousness will not budgeSinger or savior, it was his to chooseWhich of us knows what was his to loseBecause idols are best when they're made of stoneA savior's a nuisance to live with at homeStars often fall, heroes go unsungAnd martyrs most certainly die too youngSo thank you for writing the best songsThank you for righting a few wrongsYou're a savage gift on a wayward busBut you stepped down and you sang to usAnd get you down to the harbor nowMost of the sour grapes are gone from the boughGhosts of Johanna will visit you thereAnd the winds of the old days will blow through your hair
There’s a frog that protrudes it’s finger bones as a weapon
Its true. They don’t believe in charity. They are only it in for themselves
@Agape93 A frog went a-courtin' and he did ride, M-hm, M-hm.A frog went a-courtin' and he did ride,Sword and pistol by his side, M-hm, M-hm.He rode up to Miss Mousie's door, M-hm, M-hm,He rode up to Miss Mousie's door,Where he'd often been before, M-hm, M-hm.He said, "Miss Mouse, are you within?" M-hm, M-hm,He said, "Miss Mouse, are you within?""Yes, kind sir, I sit and spin." M-hm, M-hm.He took Miss Mouse upon his knee, M-hm, M-hm,He took Miss Mouse upon his kneeSaid "Miss Mouse, will you marry me?" M-hm, M-hm."Without my Uncle Rat's consent, M-hm, M-hm,Without my Uncle Rat's consentI wouldn't marry the President." M-hm, M-hm.Uncle Rat, he laughed and shook his fat sides, M-hm, M-hm,Uncle Rat, he laughed and shook his fat sidesTo think his niece would be a bride, M-hm, M-hm.Then Uncle Rat rode off to town, M-hm, M-hm,Then Uncle Rat rode off to townTo buy his niece a wedding gown, M-hm, M-hm.
Pretty sure I’m waiting for her to answer my question.
You keep misrepresenting my views lol also good job on your failed trump win forecast
@888theGreat even funner when she's blocked you and all you see is thisReply by a user you blocked or were blocked by
Lol I didn’t even block him. XD he blocked Me
@Agape93 Take my handTell me what you are feelingUnderstandThis is just the beginningAlthough I have to goIt makes me feel like cryingI don't know when I'll see you againDarling leave a light on for meI'll be there before you close the doorTo give you all the love that you needDarling leave a light on for me'Cause when the world takes me awayYou are still the air that I breatheI can't explain I just don't knowJust how far I have to goBut darling I'll keep the keyJust leave a light on for me
You blocked me after you lied and said I fucked my dogs. Why? Because I don’t believe the same shit you do.
@Agape93 Yes I knowWhat I'm asking is crazyYou could goJust get tired of waitingBut if I lose your loveTorn out by my desireThat would be the one regret of my lifeJust like a spark lights up the darkBaby that's your heart
Dude you’re disgusting
@Agape93 Who let the dogs out?Who, who, who, who, who?Who let the dogs out?Who, who, who, who, who?Who let the dogs out?Who, who, who, who, who?Who let the dogs out?Well, the party was nice, the party was pumpin'Yippie yi yoAnd everybody havin' a ballYippie yi yoI tell the fellas start the name callin'Yippie yi yoAnd the girls respond to the callI heard a woman shout outWho let the dogs out?Who, who, who, who, who?Who let the dogs out?Who, who, who, who, who?Who let the dogs out?Who, who, who, who, who?Who let the dogs out?Who, who, who, who, who?
@888theGreat why are you bullying @Agape93 ? Do you not think you comments are nasty and beyond the pale? Listen whatever is going on in your own life nastiness like this will only rot your soul from the inside out.
Thanks for the assist love
@Agape93 no problem, it needs saying.
I guess because she bullied me
Why is level 1 even commenting on that anyway?
I didn’t bully you dude. We debated and argued, and then you went on lying about me fucking my dogs, then blocked me.
So Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Regan, and tons of other influential people in history all lied and are racist also don’t generalize it make you sound stupid
@Hydra6544 Sure looks stupid and sounds even worse
Lincoln owned slaves and Regan owned servants. Ronnie was a known racist.
You couldn’t own a person in the 80s and Lincoln despised slavery.
@Hydra6544 Once again we have a liberal rewriting history the way they wished it to be
@888theGreat the funny thing is for me at least is that I get to prove adult wrong and I can’t even drive at midnight by myself.
The second one is Lincoln’s wife before she got married and why does it not surprise me that the NYT recorded a private conversation.
He moved slowly to abolish slavery to keep the country together you moron learn US history it’s only been three to four years remember the class.
7 triggered snowflakes and counting
Typical Trump Supporter labeling everyone who disagrees a snowflake
I’m not a Trump supporter, dipshit.
What, nothing to say Brian? No apology for your fuck up?
Trump Supporters are racist and like their guns. My guess is you will not give up your guns either?
Correct they and correct I won’t give them up. I bought them, I use them to hunt and I use them to protect myself from an ex that wants to kill me. Still waiting for the apology for your fuck up.
And FYI, I’m a centrist libertarian. Just in case you try and call me Republican or a cuntservervative.
I’m waiting Brian.
@BrianMarks and most crazy liberals like yourself call everyone who did agrees with them racist so what’s your point.
99% sure the schweinhund didn’t even read my original comment. Just saw “snowflake” and got himself triggered.
I can read a little German and you are correct about that and you’re probably right.
Haha I’m glad at least someone knows what I’m saying. He wouldn’t be the first on here to get his panties in a twist. So sensitive
I fall in a weird category when it comes to politics because in some things like guns I’m libertarian but on stuff on other things I like to think I fall republican but in reality no one exactly aligns with what I believe also most politicians have a backfifengesicht I think I spelled that right
Backpfeifengesicht, and yeah really lol especially some fuck face like Ted Cruz or Anthony wiener. 🤛
@brianmarks still waiting for that apology, boy.
Trump Supporters label everyone who disagrees with them snowflakes, girl
And as I repeatedly told you I’m not a fucking trump supporter. So I expect an apology for that fuck up of yours.
Well? I’m waiting.
I’m waiting @briannarks for my apology.
In waiting for my apology, Brian.
Still waiting @brianmarks on that apology.
Or has the left become incapable of owning up to their mistakes, @brianmarks?
I’m still waiting for that apology @brianmarks You don’t get to repeatedly make false claims against someone, that’s not ok. I want an apology b
Besides @brianmarks this is MY comment stream that YOU made false accusations against ME on.