AndyOh | 76 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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No, I highly doubt that the CPAC folks intentionally used a Nazi symbol for their stage. Whoever came up with that one really dug deep in the toilet to find that crap. And the GOP is nothing like the Nazi's or any Socialist agenda (unlike the current regime).
However, along the same lines, how about BLM and the Marxist symbol they use? Oh yeah, the leader is a Marxist.
I can tell you that it is NOT part of the Republican party. If you want to talk about Socialist... look no further than what is happening in the US government today with the current political party in power.
Not to my knowledge, quite the opposite. But the current party in power has socialist tendencies, is pushing socialist agenda, and has ties with socialist power people... like George Soros a known socialist. Ask Nancy Pelosi why she had lunch with him in LA in June of 2020.
So, they haven't done anything that hasn't been done in America before. They didn't even get a minimum wage hike. You're running around like your hair's on fire for nothing.
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Stoner710 | 1.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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I see what you’re saying, i’m pretty sure they just set up the stage without working at every single symbol in the world, yes it is similar it’s not a dog whistle like people in the main stream media would like us to believe. This isn’t 3-D maga maga chess it’s people setting up a stage.
Which ones Steve Bannon? No one like him, Andrew Breitbart was a good guy his predecessor no Steve Bannon is part of the what used to be known as the alt right. Unfortunately now the media paint all Republicans as those stupid Q anon conspiracy neo-Nazi outright fuckers, which there probably about 20,000 of them in the country the rioter at the capital we’re probably 2% of them.
Republicans have the same issue then it come to painted all Democrats in the same camp as BLM antifa and the Progressive wing hopefully make up a very small part of the party In the compared to the rest of the party, (I know my state are the majority but that’s Washington and Oregon for you).
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goaded | 1.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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Yes, of course it's on purpose (although the people actually building it probably didn't know). It's the OK symbol all over again; use a right wing sign, then pretend it's totally normal and the people getting pissed off with it are the problem, instead. (OK = Oath Keepers, by the way.)
@joeldalton The entire Republican party is a troll, at this point. It may have started out that way, but now it's being used by white supremacists unironically. And people like you are using the "fact" that it wasn't originally a white supremacist symbol to pretend people getting pissed off with it are the problem, instead, just like I said.
@joeldalton No. What Amazon logo? You're definitely the one who thinks 500,000 Americans suddenly died of something other than covid-19. I notice you've gone all quiet over in that conversation.
lol, because it's boring. I explained what they died of. They died of being old, heart disease, pneumonia, some of covid. I never said they all died of something other than covid. That's your bullshit.
@joeldalton No, it's because you have no answer. 10% more Americans died (of all causes), in 2020 than in any of the previous 10 years. They died of covid-19.
I told you my answer. Old people die. Old people die of diseases. We had a new one that killed a lot of them.
Absolutely none of the above invalidates the facts that governments lied about the numbers, the PCR tests are inaccurate when run at exceedingly high cycle counts, that lockdowns are ineffecitve and that masks don't work. It doesn't invalidate the chinese propaganda that the Western countries sucked up and consequently ruined their economies. It doesn't invalidate the devastating effects that lockdowns have had on the population. It doesn't invalidate the supidity surrounding mandated masks. It doesn't invalidate the power grab that governments instituted.
3000 people died in the 9/11 attacks. That doesn't justify the creation of the TSA to molest grandmas in airports. You can't be this stupid... well, maybe you are.
@joeldalton Oh, so your problem is that the government had the absolute effrontery to insist that you try not to pass on a deadly disease to your neighbours, something any decent person would try to do anyway. And, no, none of those things were lies, and it isn't a power grab, and a 9/11 a day is worse than a 9/11, and the TSA is a totally different subject, unless you think no further than "government bad!".
First and foremost, it's not the government's job to "protect" you. Especially from a disease with a 99% survival rate. My problem is they destroyed jobs, ruined lives, created a mental health crisis, and turned this culture into a bunch of nazi snitches.
And you can shove your sanctimonious bullshit up your stupid ass, beacuse you never gave half a shit about diseases any other year prior to 2020. You don't stop driving when you know you could kill someone on the road. You didn't give a flying fuck about the army of people who propped up your shitty lifestyle so you could hashtag "stay home, save lives".
@joeldalton So Obama shouldn't have done anything about Ebola, or what? ISTR it's the government's job to "promote the general Welfare", and letting citizens die by the million is the opposite of that. If there wasn't a political movement determined to undermine all sensible advice, there might not have been any need to force people to do things.
Covid killed as many people in ten days over the winter as flu or traffic accidents do in a year. The only things that killed more people than covid last year are cancer and heart disease, neither of which I can do anything about.
Do you know how I show I care about other people working in essential jobs? I don't go shopping any more than I have to, I wear a mask, I don't pretend it's a huge violation of my rights, I don't insist on things opening up before it's safe, or ask people to perform unnecessary services for me.
Bullshit. Your whole lifestyle is propped up by people who have to work for you. You're a hypocrite.
So the people who die of flu don't matter because their numbers are low enough that you don't feel the need to signal virtue that you're saving them. You wouldn't get enough likes on instagram to protect them? What a fraud.
@joeldalton I know my whole lifestyle is "propped up by people who have to work for" me, which is why I've changed my lifestyle over the last year. No trips, no holidays, no restaurants or saunas, except for the brief period they were open last summer. I've travelled less, my children have stayed home from school.
If my not giving up eating shows a lack of care in your mind, that's your problem.
You don't want to be inconvenced by a disease that's killed more people than the next three leading causes of death combined, but I'm a fraud and a hypocrite? Up yours!
You are a fraud. You need farmers to grow your food, food processors to make it into something you consume, people to power your house, send internet access, clean up your garbage and make sure your shit goes down the toilet. Then you turn around and wag your finger at someone else who wants to run their business to feed their family. I guess they're just inconvenienced too. They should just order delivery like the rest of us. The guy who builds houses to feed his family doesn't get the luxury of working from home.
Just so we're clear, you don't care about people dying from a disease just as long as it doesn't cross an imaginary numeric threshhold you've created out of thin air.
@joeldalton What part of minimising my requirements do you not understand? Yes, I need food. No, I do not need a regular haircut, eating out, holidays, relaxing in a sauna, or watching the latest film in a cinema.
Who the hell do you think I'm "wagging my finger" at? You? Do you run a business that provides an essential service, one of those you listed? I'm what little I can to ensure that people that work in those businesses don't get infected, so they don't get sick or die. What do you suggest I do? Stop eating and shitting? Train as a doctor?
Just to be clear, you just don't want to be inconvenienced by a disease that's killed millions, and would have killed many more, if there hadn't been lockdowns, and masks, and other restrictions. If you can't feed your family through no fault of your own, next time vote for a government that will provide a social safety net.
A disease that's killed 20x as many people as the ones that we're used to is a disease to be taken seriously, not ignored. It killed the country's usual years worth of flu fatalities in a couple of months in NY, alone.
So you are deciding which workers are expendable with this horrible tragic disease. Fuck the grocery workers, they can all get covid (which they haven't). I don't suggest that you stop anything.
Because unlike you, I see every job as essential. I see every person who feeds their family as a result of their labor as essential. If you're so holy that you prevent people in grocery stores from getting infected, surely the same methods work for people in the businesses you deem are not essential.
You are the worst type of tyrant. Because you feel you're on the moral high ground.
@joeldalton I do have the moral high ground. You say "unlike you, I see every job as essential", but people don't need to have their nails done, or their hair cut, let alone that of their dogs. I see PEOPLE'S LIVES as essential. Fuck you, that you don't.
The people who feed their families by doing nails would disagree with your authority on what is needed or not. I feel bad for you, you're not going to have the virus virtue-signaling to try to raise yourself up in social standing in a few months. What then? Maybe you can start chastising people at fast food outlets since obesity and heart disease are big killers, too.
@joeldalton Again, perhaps electing governments that are willing to provide a social safety net in times of crisis would be better than letting people starve because they can't work? How many customers do you think they'd have if a couple of million Americans had already died, because there weren't lockdowns, etc?
Letting people work is the moral stand. Not being able to work is the issue more than money. Throwing money at people would not have prevented the mental health catastrophe your lockdowns have caused.
Your “couple million” scare numbers are wholly bullshit and you know it.
The total's going to be 3/4 of a million, at least, even with the vaccines. Without the lockdowns and the masks, the numbers would have been higher. This time last year, before the lockdowns, cases were doubling every few days.
They’re not what? Having a mental health crisis? What rock have you been hiding under?
Your numbers are horseshit. Always have been. You can’t even keep CFR and IFR straight. You flip-flop on those to make them scarier. We’ll likely have herd immunity by May. Deaths from covid are dropping dramatically. Masks and lockdowns have not had the magical effect you think they do. You keep saying it, but it’s not true.
@joeldalton They're not "scare numbers", obviously. That's why the next sentence was all about numbers. If there are mental health problems, most of them will be about being worried about finances; so a social safety net would have helped with that.
Try coming up with some examples where my numbers are wrong. You'll have herd immunity by May because everyone sane will have been vaccinated by then; that doesn't mean that keeping people alive until then was a mistake! Nothing is magical (except your belief that going on as usual wouldn't have killed a few more hundred thousand Americans); masks and lockdowns do work, it's obvious.
@joeldalton No, they didn't. They proved sparsely populated areas didn't have to be as concerned as more densely populated ones, and they also didn't do as well as their neighbours. Show me the suicide statistics.
Well when I post scientific studies you reply with bullshit “well not that science”. So I’m not playing that bullshit with you anymore. You know how to google.
@joeldalton You've posted exactly one "scientific" study, and it was laughable. Statistics on suicide in the US would come from a genuine source.
Here's a recent report: "Mortality from injury, overdose and suicide during the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic, March-July, 2020": "Excess deaths from drug overdoses, homicide, and addicents occurred during the pandemic but represented a small fraction of all-cause excess mortality. The excess external causes of death, however, still represent thousands of lives lost. Notably, deaths from suicide were lower than expected and therefore did not contribute to excess mortality" www.medrxiv.org/.../2021.02.13.21251682.full.pdf
OK, maybe the stage was a coincidence (or a joke on CPAC?). Shame. :)
Not a shame, it's you dopes falling for the same bullshit over and over again.
As I said, every study for 15 years up until June 2020 stated that masks are ineffective at preventing the spread of respiratory viruses. Mask technology didn't change in 2020. Virus transmission didn't change in 2020, but just when you needed something for everyone to glom onto for security theater, then the "science" changes. The best part is you don't think there's anything suspicious. You had the World Health Organization, the CDC, and the Surgeon general saying that masks are not needed. What an AMAZING coincidence they all changed their minds around the same time.
But continue to wear your mask and tell yourself what a good citizen you are. I'll continue to not wear one. I've had covid, so there's 0 medical reason for me to wear one.
@joeldalton Twice, that I recall. One said nothing like what you were claiming, and the other said something clearly stupid, along the lines of "viruses can pass through masks because the fibres are 1000x thicker than the virus". Much in the same was grains of sand pass through tree trunks, no doubt.
@joeldalton Nice little video, from when there were less than 70,000 cases in the whole US, half of them in New York and New Jersey. You'll no doubt have noticed that it said to wear masks if you have symptoms, or if you come into long-term contact with sick people. In other words, that they work.
The WHO still didn't know for sure that the virus was airbourne in March, and didn't think it probably was until July. Before you say "they were lying", or some such; think about what you'd be saying if they said it was airbourne early, then found it wasn't.
Mass slaughter obviously no, but it did re-create Israel after thousands of years so maybe it wasn't so bad after all. Israel was initially founded by Moses through genocidal conquest, and it was rebuilt with the same way by genocide.
All other points are irrelevant as so were the communist regimes (Im Yugoslavian/Croatian), and we idolize those people in history class such as Julius Caesar and his rise to power. He despite what he did to become imperator is praised till this day.
So yeah ultimately I would much rather be one over the other if given the only options.
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