How, exactly, is there "zero oversight" over mail-in voting? Should all of Utah's elections be thrown out?As to guns, you might as well say Democrats want everyone to have their hair done in cornrows; it's not going to happen, so why worry?
@goaded then why do you keep trying? I believe democrats keep the issue of guns at the forefront as a way to keep the country divided
Trying to do what, exactly? "Permanently [get] ALL guns banned"? Even the UK and Australia haven't done that. Instead of fighting a straw man, why don't you explain what you don't like about what they're actually proposing?https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
@goaded wait periods. Ban on all semiautomatic weapons, ban on mags over 10 rounds, ban on online ammo and gun sales. Suck it
There are some people that continually get put on hold when doing a background check for unknown reasons. That hold is up to three days. Now Biden is wanting to increase that hold to 30 days. California already has an unconstitutional 3 day wait period for everyone. The idiots in California are too stupid to know it’s unconstitutional
It’s a way you lie saying your a unifying party when in reality you’re not
@goaded - what part of "... shall not be infringed." is so difficult to understand? The people who wrote our Constitution KNEW that self protection against others and especially an overbearing Gov't cannot happen in a society unable to defend themselves.If you were from the US, you might understand that. But... being from Germany 🇩🇪, removing guns from the public, registering where they're at, or restricting which guns people can have is something your far more familiar with and expect from liberals.They removed the guns from Russians too. And the Chinese. And those in Venezuela 🇻🇪. And people have zero capability to overthrow a dictatorial Gov't. ThAT is specifically what Democrats want - to completely control the country. They will never say it, but their actions prove my point.
You work by incrementalism. You chip away a little here a little there but your ultimate goal has always been and will be total disarmament. But there’s one thing you liberals never thought about that’s a problem for you. Approximately 30% of NRA lifetime members are democrats like Sen Joe Manchin.
There are laws. Both criminals and illegals are not allowed to vote or buy weapons. The only way to ensure that is checks and ID. The democrats have no problem with checks and ID for guns but scream racism when the same is applied to voting. Why aren’t they screaming racism over guns?
Firearms are a constitutional right. Voting is not.
You’re arguing apples and oranges. There is no credible evidence of any substantial voter fraud in the US. There never has been. It’s a cover for the real agenda. 25% of voting age black citizens have no photo ID. States that have instituted these laws see lower minority turnout at the polls. These are legal voters mind you. It’s not hard to put 2 and 2 together here. There doesn’t seem to be any racial motivation with gun laws.
No one has ever denied that cheating goes on during every major election. If you are open minded, go to Rumble and watch a video called “Unmasked.” There was massive fraud this past November.
No I’m not going watch any propaganda video. Real documented evidence of voter fraud is rare. That is a fact. It’s why Trump’s lawsuits didn’t survive even slightest of court scrutiny. It was fabricated and it was quickly exposed as such. I paid close attention to those cases. I don’t want to to see innuendo, hearsay, and conspiracy theory. Real evidence is king.
You're joking, right? 25% of black voting age individuals do not have an ID? I find that incredibly difficult to believe, since you need an ID to have a job, or even get welfare/food stamps. by the way, you also need an ID to buy a gun, unless you buy it from a private seller. If they're legal voters, how'd they get on a voting roll without showing an ID initially? How'd they get a driver's license w/o an ID? The list goes on and on about where you need an ID, with voting being the least of these services. by the way, i live in one of those states that require an ID to vote. There doesn't seem to be any fewer minorities showing up at the polls on voting day.
@Goforit1010 That’s just utter nonsense. The Republican Party knows these things to be true. It’s why they push these laws. Internal party documents have leaked about using voter fraud as political cover. Just stop it.
Then you shouldn’t have a problem with ensuring it won’t happen right?
Shame on them for having no ID
I do when the regulations are unnecessary and serve to target and disenfranchise an ethnic group. It’s racist and it’s morally wrong. If that’s what is in your heart then be open and honest about it and stop hiding behind this fraud fantasy. Be real.
No all I want is to ensure only American citizens without criminal histories can vote period. If you have a problem with that then tough. More states are agreeing with Georgia
... but illegal voting isn’t a problem. You’re using that excuse to justify targeting an ethnic group. It’s not a mystery what you’re supporting here.
You can’t prove that. You can only go by what you’ve been told. We want proof.
I cannot believe you don’t support having to show I’d to vote just like buying a gun, cashing a check, buying insurance, seeing a new Dr
Since your so vehemently opposed to it and lamely calling it racist is enough to give me pause
If there was evidence that our elections were riddled with fraud, I might agree with you. However, the facts don’t bear that out. Fraud is rare. You’re arguing for a cure to a disease that doesn’t exist. You don’t take radiation treatments when you don’t have cancer. It’s illogical. You want to hide behind fictional fraud because it gives you think it gives you cover against being called a racist... but that argument only works on people who have the same agenda you do. You’re completely busted here. Save your tripe for someone less intelligent.
That’s according to you. It’s gonna happen whether you like it or not and you will never convince me fraud has never occurred not one single time. Nothing is perfect
Again you’re making me question more not less with your opposition
Riddled with fraud? This last election was filled with non-stop fraud everywhere!Read this article:www.msn.com/.../ar-BB1bzq7LNevada recorded over 1500 ballots from dead people and over 42,000 voted multiple times! That's just one state!MI and PA were equally as bad. If ANY ballots show up from dead people, multiple voting, addresses that are illegal (based on USPS validation), if illegal aliens or criminals vote, ALL of that is voter fraud. Since 99.9 is in favor of Democrats, the liberal media refuses to run any story about voter fraud. In the meantime, get your head out your rear and read more than just CNN.
It’s not according to me. The voter fraud claims were examined by state and federal courts, by judges of both parties, by Secretary of State investigations, and by legislative hearings. All found the claims implausible. So what evidence are you basing your opinions on? I’m all ears. Post election audits are coming back clean. You can go to the Heritage Foundation site, a conservative think tank, and look at their voter fraud database. There are something like 1200 cases of documented fraud spread out over 40+ years of US elections. It’s small potatoes. Again, this is just cover for a more nefarious agenda and you know it. Save your propaganda for someone dumber. You’re kicking your own ass here.
Blah blah blah. You should show I’d to vote. Period
@Goforit1010 *Sigh* That article is not evidence. It’s accusations by Trump allies. The Nevada Secretary of State (a Republican by the way) found little evidence to back up these claims. What else ya got?
Just admit you’re fine with disenfranchising black voters. It’s obvious anyway. You aren’t fooling anyone.
Are you saying voter fraud isn’t possible at all? Ever? Is that what you’re saying? Keep in mind there have been fake Drs performing surgeries. Do you want to stick with that belief?
Answer my question
@Ilickvulvas - Give it up. She's a Democrat liberal who is 150% brainwashed that Republicans are the worst thing on the planet. To her, it's totally acceptable to do anything and everything to prevent them from ever holding ANY office. To her, the end justifies the means, regardless what's done (lying, cheating, hell - even murder), as long as it means Republicans never hold any official positions.
You are afraid of the truth then. If it is just “propaganda” and/or lies, you can easily disprove them. I think you k ow it’s true but don’t want to admit it.
Voter fraud is possible and it does happen occasionally on a small scale. It has never existed on a level in this country to compromise our elections. That’s what the evidence shows. Feel free to provide proof and not conspiracy theory if you feel otherwise... but we both know you have none. Your party has none either. What you’re saying to me is that you’re fine with disenfranchising an ethnic group because a non-existent problem is so important that it has to be done. There’s no logic in what you’re saying. Only an idiot could believe that. The obvious explanation is that this is a deliberate calculation to influence elections and that it’s racial in nature. You don’t like how African-Americans vote, so passing restrictions that limit how many of them show up at the polls is ok by you. It’s also why republicans love to close polling places in minority populated urban areas. Waiting in line for hours to vote discourages minorities from showing up... but I’m sure you’re fine with that as well. You keep putting the burden on me to show that fraud doesn’t exist. The available evidence already does that for me. You and your party are making the accusation, so the burden is on you to prove your allegations. Well? What have you got? Time to put up or shut up. Independent minded people can’t be brainwashed with propaganda. I’ll wait for that proof.
@Goforit1010 I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my life. Little good comes out of either major party. I’ve only voted for third party candidates. Nice try though. I am , however, not fooled by this voter fraud lie. Republican voter suppression is racist in nature and you are on board with it. You hide behind that lie because you are too much of a coward to voice your true agenda. I find the Neo-Nazis reprehensible but I have a certain amount of respect that they at least have the balls to say what they feel. You do not and I cannot abide a coward.
There’s no proof of disenfranchisement as there is no history to base it on
You cannot say the voter fraud that happens doesn’t impact elections. There have been many decided by very narrow margins and some even by just one vote.
You’re just arguing nonsense now. Voter ID exists in several states, so yes, there is a history to examine and there are studies that show negative impact on minority turnout. You can maybe argue about the methodology of the studies but they’re certainly evidence to the contrary of what you’re saying... and the Republican party is well aware of this information. As for fraud, name a US election that was ever overturned due to the amount of fraud committed. I can’t think of one. Prosecute illegal voters when it happens... but it doesn’t happen enough to compromise our elections. Arguing that it does without evidence is about as productive as arguing that Santa Claus is real. That lie is promoted for propaganda value.
No matter. Changes are coming
You’ve admitted voter fraud exists. That’s good enough for me
“Thank you. Your Honor I have no more questions from this witness”
Not true. Look at the voting regulations in blue states like Colorado and NY. Twice a restrictive as what theyvare in Ga. fewer days, ID requires, etc
Ilickvulvas... your debate skills are that of a child. You have not raised a single relevant point in this whole debate. You are an idiot and a racist.
You’re also a racist by being black centered
😂 That’s about as mature of a response as “I know you are but what am I”. What are you, a child? Start acting like a grown man and learn how to intellectually defend your positions. You’re embarrassing yourself here. You are proof of why Trump loved the poorly educated.
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A democratic voter has no problem taking away a constitutional right
exactly, many of them are working to take away our freedoms. But somehow me having a gun is more dangerous. How do they think we got these freedoms? GUNS, how do they think we protect them? GUNS
lmao, MountAverage the coward blocked me.
Doesn’t surprise me because he’s in a corner with no way out
He just blocked me to and never answered my question
lol, what a little bitch
It's good that you realise that there are more Democratic voters than Republicans. It's bad that you don't believe in democracy.
@goaded if democracy voted to have you killed, would you still be a democrat?
Can I introduce you to a concept called "Rule of Law"?
@goaded you’re just a liberal that doesn’t care who votes. Admit it
As long as they're entitled to, no, I don't care who votes; the more the merrier!
You don’t want everyone owning a gun do you? Criminals and illegals are not allowed to vote and we want to make sure they can’t
Technically that’s correct. The constitution just protects voting rights from being abridged due to race, gender, religion, ethnicity, previous servitude, etc. It should be a constitutional right though.
@Roxxy99 me too.. But only for those that pay net taxes. Only those that will have to pay for stuff should have a vote in how it is spent.
I would strenuously disagree with that. We can’t create unequal constitutional classes. I wouldn’t have the heart to strip a fundamental freedom away from someone because they happen to be out of work or are retired or disabled or whatever the case may be. We’re all affected by public policy and all should have a say.
Stop deflecting and answer the question
You seem to think you've come up with a brilliant question, which is why you've asked it twice. It is a straw man for two reasons.Firstly, the ability to vote in a democracy is more important than the ability to own a firearm.Secondly, nobody is suggesting non-citizens should be entitled to vote in federal elections.Every person who is entitled to vote should be able to vote. Republicans are trying to ensure that many cannot.Every person who's entitled to have a gun already is already able to buy one. No closing of loopholes or added restrictions will affect that, and it's not the same as taking away your rights.Some states do allow criminals in prison to vote. You are mistaken when you claim they cannot. More states allow people who have completed their sentence to vote. Florida recently had a referendum that overwhelmingly decided to allow it in their state. The Republican legislature immediately passed a law making it more difficult for those newly eligible to register to vote.Non-citizens are not on the voter rolls, except by accident. The only aspect of HR1 that refers to non-citizens and voter rolls is a section that allows someone who's on the roll by accident to report it without fear of being arrested. This keeps the voting rolls accurate. Nobody is going to risk arrest and deportation for voting illegally.A couple of years ago, Republicans in Georgia purged over 200,000 citizens from their voting rolls illegally. They were legally obliged to check with the post office to ensure that people had really moved house. They didn't, and they hadn't.
Nope. Want to vote then prove who you are just like I have to. It’s that simple. If you’re too stupid to get an ID then tough
You do know they cost money to get, right? Even the "free" ones take time and documentary proof, which may cost money.There is practically no in-person voter fraud, which is the only thing voter ID can protect against. Wait! Did I say the only thing? It also protects against poor people voting, so there's that.
You need an ID to get a driver's license. You need an ID to buy alcohol, cigarettes, and vape fluid. You need an ID to go to Job & Family Services for welfare, unemployment, or medicaid assistance. You need an ID to ride Uber. You need an ID to fly on a jet. You need an ID for a bank account. You need an ID to do so damn much, it's a given that people have them. Are you saying getting an ID is SOOOOO difficult to obtain for those other activities that voting is now suppressed because a state requires you prove who you are to vote?I live in a state that requires an ID for voting. Multiple other states require it too. Your idea that an ID is so damn difficult to show is bullshit. Hell, even minorities are pissed about the thought they're too stupid and dumb to get one. Talk about a "straw man"... you define it perfectly with your asinine point.
@Goforit1010 I just had this conversation with someone else (it's clearly the talking point that works best), so apologies for the cut-and-paste, but see if you can do better than the other guy...You're misinformed about what ID you require for the essential things you list. To get SNAP/food stamps, for example, a voter registration card is sufficient ID, but you don't want it to be sufficient ID to vote."Examples of acceptable documentary evidence which the applicant may provide include, but are not limited to, a driver's license, a work or school ID, an ID for health benefits or for another assistance or social services program, *a voter registration card*, wage stubs, or a birth certificate. Any documents which reasonably establish the applicant's identity must be accepted, and no requirement for a specific type of document, such as a birth certificate, may be imposed."https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/7/273.2Can you explain exactly how tens of thousands of people in a state would go about voting twice without any of them being detected? Remember, photo ID is only useful when people are voting in person, and people will complain, or try to vote in person, if they don't receive their mail-in ballots. This will be detected when they appear to vote twice (and require stealing federal mail, a felony).On the other hand, removing hundreds of thousands of voters from the rolls, or requiring people to pay $100 for government ID who don't need them for anything else, has a clear effect on elections.
You’re full of shit. No one has said anything about $100 government ID cards so stfu
"Obtaining a “free” voter identification card can typically cost an individual between $75 and $175. When legal fees are factored in, the cost can increase to over $1,000. These are two of the conclusions drawn from an analysis of actual expenses incurred by individuals who needed to obtain identification cards in three states that had recently passed new voting requirements. The High Cost of ‘Free’ Photo Voter Identification Cards, a new report authored by Richard Sobel and released by the Charles Hamilton Houston Institute for Race and Justice at Harvard Law School, notes that, even when the card itself is free, “voter IDs are expensive, often prohibitively so.”"charleshamiltonhouston.org/research/voter-id/ (2014)
I don’t believe you or Harvard. No one is talking about this. All you need is a state ID card you get from a tag agency
It’s just typical liberal bullshit to divide the country
So, you just walk into a government building and say you're "Ilickvulvas", and they give you an ID?
@goaded - The new GA law allows you to show a school ID, a driver's license, a passport, a utility bill (within the last 90 days), or a bank statement with your name and address. Like someone else stated, you're full of shit to even remotely attribute GA's voting laws as voter suppression. Take in the number of other states that ALREADY require an ID to prove who you are (NY, DE, CO, OH, WI, etc...) and that only proves that showing an ID is not a problem.
Nope you have to shoe a birth certificate. You have a problem with that too?
Goaded this doesn’t concern you you at all so you have no say. Fuck off im blocking you
Which word do you not understand
It's not the words, vulvacreep. It's what you seem to believe.
No you scream bloody murder about Georgia’s voting law but think nothing of of imposing all kin’s of legislation on guns
I did that? Really? When was that?
@Abtraction Umm, what? Stop crashing my comment with nonsensical claims.
It’s all over the news and dementia joe is even crying over it
Answer my basic question and stop deflecting
But you said that I did that 😂
If you voted for a democrat yes you did. You are what you vote
How can I answer your "basic" question if I disagree with its premise? 🤔 Can you tell me that?
Again how can you have no problem interfering with one constitutional right but not another. Stop deflecting. If you voted for a democrat you’re guilty
Haha what? So you agree with 100% everything that Republicans do? There's NOTHING you disagree with them about? How does that work?If I only voted if I agreed with everything, I couldn't ever vote for anyone. Neither could you. Nobody ever agrees with everything with anyone, there will always be things. you disagree with even when you vote for them.Stop being so retarded please. 😂
My God you're a retarded piece of shit haha. I don't agree with what you say being true. I think you're full of shit. That's my answer. Happy now? Great.Now, you're a 59 year old creep calling himself Ilickvulvas. You're a fucking loser, I don't need to take anything you say seriously. 😂😂😂
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