He isn't required to obey them to get out of his car if he isn't under arrest for a crime. He has every right to remain in his car.
You are absolutely right. But this is where the grey area lies.What do you want in the end? Do you wanna argue about rights with an office who has no right to let you go even if he wanted, even if you were his own brother? Or do you want the interaction to end as fast and as smooth as possible?Because the way to avoid altercations that end in peper spray or someone getting shot is to be friendly with an officier who is only doing a job and has nothing agaisnt you.Now perhaps changes do need to be made such that officiers need to be allowed to get you out of the vehicle before placing you under arrest it would make life easier on everyone involved
@goaded: I remember that video. When I saw that video years ago I couldn't believe it. 🤦♂️
Yah, instant compliance: get shot.
@goaded: That's why its in your best interest to stay in your car at all times unless you are being put under arrest. Move to quick is suspicious to them, move to slow is also suspicious to them. One false move and you probably die. 🙄
I am by no mean saying the officers did everything right but I am saying it comes with the job to be on edge and anyone wearing a badge would find himself in a similar situation doesn't mean the law works without law enforcement.No one is saying move to quick or too slow but the man was arguing and haggling and wouldn't listen to basic instructions the officers are law enforcing robots and have no right to haggle who did what they have an ABC to follow so by remaining quiet and calm they will ask for a series of things things you can then provide one by own slowly by using stating what you're about to do:"Im reaching for my wallet ""Go ahead" *you do it*It's that easy, 9.99 times out of 10 things will he fine the exception that does not make the rule is the case of that video that looks like it goes back to the regan era where one out of 1 million officer made a mistake and I have no idea if he paid for it but he certainly does not represent every cop on the street
Have you seen the freaking out about the vaccine, that has a 1 in 100,000 chance of making you ill with a blood clot?
Yeah this world has forgotten that the exception does not make the rule.Just like that one virus that has less than 1% chance of killing a person but still managed to get everyone running scared.
He was smart enough not to pull over in a area not well lit which he did the right thing which is why he didn't pull over right away.Things can turn south in a hurry if that man pulled over in a dark area instead a well lit gas station he probably would have been shot by that moron and power hungry lying of a cop.
What do you think would have happened, if he'd followed instructions and tried to open the door? He'd have taken one of his hands out of sight - "going for a gun"?
Usually I side with cops bc my family members are cops and also military.. and I get how hard it is for them.. but im this case, . sorry you're wrong! He did the right thing to protect himself.. go in a well lit area.. bc people now fear what will happen when they interact with police. He was trying to be safe. U ofcourse can't understand what its like to have to worry about that.
In some countries, police don't get paid. They make their money by charging people to prosecute someone who did them wrong. That or taking bribes. I know one lady from a poor country, where they would walk into your house and look in your kitchen, for what they needed to bring home that evening to their own house. And they'd just take what they need.
@ArrowheadSW There you go
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He is a soldier so his mind set is this is a bad place to get caught off gaurd
It is broken. They need to move to 19th century British policing.
@goaded Nope, not broken. The only people who think that way are dumbass criminals who are butthurt about the fact they can't get away with their crimes without the police arresting their worthless asses.
There's fixing them. Dismantle qualified immunity and start sending them to prison if they do crimes on the job like a regular citizen will be if they pull the same B. S. they be doing.
I agree by sprinkle. My guess is 90% are the "good apples", yet the "bad apples" think they're the good ones... it's totally twisted.
Most definitely when you're in the same situations.