Rather than suppressing the black vote by making them get voter ID, why not combine the voter ID with their Covid vaccinations?

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They're already going to travel to get their life-saving vaccines, so why not make the trip more efficient?
Mobile ID labs have been around for a long time. This isn't something new.

This seems like a win for both political parties. The Republicans will be comforted knowing that people voting are who they say they are, and Democrats will be comforted to know that the black vote isn't being suppressed by requiring voter ID.

It could work

It will still be racist and suppress the black vote in some way

How exactly do you expect dead people to get to these Covid/ID stations?

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Anonymous

LOL
The Dims will bitch no matter what, because they want the illigal votes coming across the border. They're just using black people as pawns like they always do. I'm shocked that more blacks don't stand up to them and call bullshit on their scam.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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Avicenna | 4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Master

And what documents will they show at these mobile labs?

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That would be more of a question to ask the US government that would be issuing these voter IDs.

Under the current plan, they don't have to show ANY documents. Even a Costco card would be better than our current plan.

Also, at least in my state, all you have to do to get a photo drivers license is to show a passport. It can be Russian or Chinese, and you'll get either a state photo ID or a driver's license if you pass the test.

Also, they will register you to vote right on the spot.
Avicenna

10 mo
Well, someone who isn't a US citizen shouldn't be getting registered to vote. And there would be a large number of people getting a "vaccination ID" who wouldn't be US citizens. That's why the question of documents needs to be answered, as well as how the IDs will be issued, and by whom. We don't get vaccine ID from the DMV, and medical personnel don't issue driver's licenses or other government-issued IDs. Many people don't have passports (perhaps not even half of US citizens do). So I don't see how this plan would solve ID requirements for voting, and it could even result in a Voter ID being given to people who aren't supposed to have it.

I also don't see how having someone show a valid government picture ID to vote would constitute "voter suppression". A majority of blacks support requiring Voter ID, and the vast majority of blacks already have a driver's license, passport, or state-issued ID card.

It would be simpler to give a free ID to those who need it at the DMV, as long as they can prove their identity (e. g., birth certificate). They would need it in many areas of daily life anyway.
goaded

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When was the last time you showed your birth certificate (and how did it prove you were that person)? If your name's on the voter roll, what's wrong with a utility bill, or similar?
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All great points... let me go down the list.

1. Well, someone who isn't a US citizen shouldn't be getting registered to vote.

I agree. Tell that to Pelosi

2. And there would be a large number of people getting a "vaccination ID" who wouldn't be US citizens.

That depends on what you mean by "vaccination ID" As far as I know, anyone can get a vaccination, and after that you get a card and some type of credentials on an app.

My voter ID plan would have NOTHING to do with the vaccination; it's just that you would have to only go to one place instead of two.

3. That's why the question of documents needs to be answered, as well as how the IDs will be issued, and by whom.

I have no idea of what documentation is needed or who exactly would be issuing the voter ID's. But this is something that's being talked about constantly, so I imagine someone in government has a plan.

4. We don't get vaccine ID from the DMV, and medical personnel don't issue driver's licenses or other government-issued IDs.

Right. It would be two separate entities operating under the same roof for convenience of black people.

5. Many people don't have passports (perhaps not even half of US citizens do). So I don't see how this plan would solve ID requirements for voting, and it could even result in a Voter ID being given to people who aren't supposed to have it.

My example of using a passport to get a drivers license in my state was just an example of how things are so fucked up.
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6. I also don't see how having someone show a valid government picture ID to vote would constitute "voter suppression". A majority of blacks support requiring Voter ID, and the vast majority of blacks already have a driver's license, passport, or state-issued ID card.

It's NOT voter suppression. Voter suppression is just an example of white Democrats making blacks look stupid and helpless, in order to achieve their goal.

7. It would be simpler to give a free ID to those who need it at the DMV, as long as they can prove their identity (e. g., birth certificate). They would need it in many areas of daily life anyway.

Free voter ID has been proposed for a long time, so the Dems moved their argument from the price tag of voter ID, to the transportation to get their voter ID.

So my proposal solves the problem. The vaccine and ID are both free, and you're already going there for the vaccine, so why not get both?
Avicenna

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@goaded: You are not a US citizen, so it's rather strange that you're trying to involve yourself in a discussion about another country's voting procedures. This is something for US citizens to decide.

Interestingly, the UK is apparently introducing Voter ID this year.

You claim to be resident in Germany, so I thought I'd post this explanation of the process there;

www.bmi.bund.de/.../bundestag-elections-node.html

It should be mentioned that in Germany, EU citizens can vote in local and EU-level elections, but every German citizen resident in Germany is required to have a state-issued ID card and to be registered with their local city hall. When someone registers their address with city hall, they have to show a state-issued ID (passports for foreigners and a German state-issued ID for German citizens). The voting rolls are taken from this registration data, and you can still be asked to show ID at the polls.

Merely showing a utility bill is not a secure enough process when showing up at the polls in the US. That utility bill could have been stolen out of the mail or taken out of the trash, and it's got your name and address.

A birth certificate has to be shown in order to get an initial state-issued photo ID.
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10 mo
You have to keep in mind that this German asshole is nothing but an anti-American troll.
He would NEVER speak ill of his country, but he lives to trash our country. I wish there was a setting to block everyone outside the US, but there's not.
Avicenna

10 mo
Incidentally, Democrats are known to transport many of their voters to the polls. Yet, strangely, they can't organize a trip to the DMV so their voters can get an ID they need in everyday life. Talk about using people...
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Good point. I missed that one in my description. The Dems are also good at busing Antifa from battle zone to battle zone.
Avicenna

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They sure are good about busing their paramilitary blackshirts around.
Asker

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Where there's a will there's a way.
goaded

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So I can't have an opinion? The UK (right-wing) Conservative government is trying to introduce voter id for the first time in centuries of democracy at the moment, despite the pilot schemes finding that, in at least one area, they turned away more people than the margin of victory. In the 2018 elections, when over 7 million votes were cast, there were a total of 8 cases of voter impersonation, only one of which was acted on. At least the UK, like Germany, will ensure that everyone can get free ID locally.

I don't think they ever bothered checking my ID at my local polling place in Germany, they just saw the letter that tells me where my polling place is.

The asker's idea to bring registration/identification services to places where people will be anyway is a good one; if you're going to require photo id, you should make your very best effort to ensure that everyone entitled to vote should have one. Something like 80% of Americans like the idea, in general, but the implementation has to be fair.

(@Asker People getting registered to vote have to be US citizens, except for minor local elections like town dog catcher, and Democrats have never said anything differently.)
goaded

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"The Dems are also good at busing Antifa from battle zone to battle zone" never happened. Rumours of it had towns turning out with guns, people setting up illegal roadblocks, and innocent families being harrassed, though.
goaded

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I'm not anti-American, I'm anti-lies.
Avicenna

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@goaded: You constantly get busted in lies and gaslighting as you attempt to interfere with US elections. I would say get lost and fix your own country's problems but it's more likely that you helped cause them.
goaded

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"You constantly get busted in lies and gaslighting as you attempt to interfere with US elections."
Name once.
najekim

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@goaded We had to show certified copies of birth certificates, social security cards, marriage license and/or divorce papers if your current name doesn't match your birth certificate, along with other documents to prove who we were and that we were married in order to obtain a REAL ID compliant drivers license (or state ID) which the government will be requiring for anyone wanting to fly or to enter a federal building and some other things.

Now if you do not want to jump through all the hoops, then the ID or drivers license will state "Not for Federal Identification" right under the card type. You won't get through TSA or into federal buildings though unless you have a up-to-date passport or military ID as an alternative.
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@najekim

Please don't encourage this German asshole to keep posting on this thread. He's a flaming liberal who is all about slamming America.
Avicenna

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Indeed. He's one of those European Marxists who think they always know better. His opinion is useless.

I do think getting everyone a state-issued ID is a great idea (free if necessary). But no doubt the Democrats will oppose that as well. It's ridiculous that people can register to vote without an ID and vote without one.

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Asker

That would be more of a question to ask the US government that would be issuing these voter IDs.

Under the current plan, they don't have to show ANY documents. Even a Costco card would be better than our current plan.

Also, at least in my state, all you have to do to get a photo drivers license is to show a passport. It can be Russian or Chinese, and you'll get either a state photo ID or a driver's license if you pass the test.

Also, they will register you to vote right on the spot.

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Avicenna

Well, someone who isn't a US citizen shouldn't be getting registered to vote. And there would be a large number of people getting a "vaccination ID" who wouldn't be US citizens. That's why the question of documents needs to be answered, as well as how the IDs will be issued, and by whom. We don't get vaccine ID from the DMV, and medical personnel don't issue driver's licenses or other government-issued IDs. Many people don't have passports (perhaps not even half of US citizens do). So I don't see how this plan would solve ID requirements for voting, and it could even result in a Voter ID being given to people who aren't supposed to have it.

I also don't see how having someone show a valid government picture ID to vote would constitute "voter suppression". A majority of blacks support requiring Voter ID, and the vast majority of blacks already have a driver's license, passport, or state-issued ID card.

It would be simpler to give a free ID to those who need it at the DMV, as long as they can prove their identity (e. g., birth certificate). They would need it in many areas of daily life anyway.

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goaded

When was the last time you showed your birth certificate (and how did it prove you were that person)? If your name's on the voter roll, what's wrong with a utility bill, or similar?

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Asker

All great points... let me go down the list.

1. Well, someone who isn't a US citizen shouldn't be getting registered to vote.

I agree. Tell that to Pelosi

2. And there would be a large number of people getting a "vaccination ID" who wouldn't be US citizens.

That depends on what you mean by "vaccination ID" As far as I know, anyone can get a vaccination, and after that you get a card and some type of credentials on an app.

My voter ID plan would have NOTHING to do with the vaccination; it's just that you would have to only go to one place instead of two.

3. That's why the question of documents needs to be answered, as well as how the IDs will be issued, and by whom.

I have no idea of what documentation is needed or who exactly would be issuing the voter ID's. But this is something that's being talked about constantly, so I imagine someone in government has a plan.

4. We don't get vaccine ID from the DMV, and medical personnel don't issue driver's licenses or other government-issued IDs.

Right. It would be two separate entities operating under the same roof for convenience of black people.

5. Many people don't have passports (perhaps not even half of US citizens do). So I don't see how this plan would solve ID requirements for voting, and it could even result in a Voter ID being given to people who aren't supposed to have it.

My example of using a passport to get a drivers license in my state was just an example of how things are so fucked up.

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Asker

6. I also don't see how having someone show a valid government picture ID to vote would constitute "voter suppression". A majority of blacks support requiring Voter ID, and the vast majority of blacks already have a driver's license, passport, or state-issued ID card.

It's NOT voter suppression. Voter suppression is just an example of white Democrats making blacks look stupid and helpless, in order to achieve their goal.

7. It would be simpler to give a free ID to those who need it at the DMV, as long as they can prove their identity (e. g., birth certificate). They would need it in many areas of daily life anyway.

Free voter ID has been proposed for a long time, so the Dems moved their argument from the price tag of voter ID, to the transportation to get their voter ID.

So my proposal solves the problem. The vaccine and ID are both free, and you're already going there for the vaccine, so why not get both?

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Avicenna

@goaded: You are not a US citizen, so it's rather strange that you're trying to involve yourself in a discussion about another country's voting procedures. This is something for US citizens to decide.

Interestingly, the UK is apparently introducing Voter ID this year.

You claim to be resident in Germany, so I thought I'd post this explanation of the process there;

www.bmi.bund.de/.../bundestag-elections-node.html

It should be mentioned that in Germany, EU citizens can vote in local and EU-level elections, but every German citizen resident in Germany is required to have a state-issued ID card and to be registered with their local city hall. When someone registers their address with city hall, they have to show a state-issued ID (passports for foreigners and a German state-issued ID for German citizens). The voting rolls are taken from this registration data, and you can still be asked to show ID at the polls.

Merely showing a utility bill is not a secure enough process when showing up at the polls in the US. That utility bill could have been stolen out of the mail or taken out of the trash, and it's got your name and address.

A birth certificate has to be shown in order to get an initial state-issued photo ID.

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Asker

You have to keep in mind that this German asshole is nothing but an anti-American troll.
He would NEVER speak ill of his country, but he lives to trash our country. I wish there was a setting to block everyone outside the US, but there's not.

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Avicenna

Incidentally, Democrats are known to transport many of their voters to the polls. Yet, strangely, they can't organize a trip to the DMV so their voters can get an ID they need in everyday life. Talk about using people...

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Asker

Rather than suppressing the black vote by making them get voter ID, why not combine the voter ID with their Covid vaccinations?

Good point. I missed that one in my description. The Dems are also good at busing Antifa from battle zone to battle zone.

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Avicenna

They sure are good about busing their paramilitary blackshirts around.

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Asker

Where there's a will there's a way.

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goaded

So I can't have an opinion? The UK (right-wing) Conservative government is trying to introduce voter id for the first time in centuries of democracy at the moment, despite the pilot schemes finding that, in at least one area, they turned away more people than the margin of victory. In the 2018 elections, when over 7 million votes were cast, there were a total of 8 cases of voter impersonation, only one of which was acted on. At least the UK, like Germany, will ensure that everyone can get free ID locally.

I don't think they ever bothered checking my ID at my local polling place in Germany, they just saw the letter that tells me where my polling place is.

The asker's idea to bring registration/identification services to places where people will be anyway is a good one; if you're going to require photo id, you should make your very best effort to ensure that everyone entitled to vote should have one. Something like 80% of Americans like the idea, in general, but the implementation has to be fair.

(@Asker People getting registered to vote have to be US citizens, except for minor local elections like town dog catcher, and Democrats have never said anything differently.)

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goaded

"The Dems are also good at busing Antifa from battle zone to battle zone" never happened. Rumours of it had towns turning out with guns, people setting up illegal roadblocks, and innocent families being harrassed, though.

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goaded

I'm not anti-American, I'm anti-lies.

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Avicenna

@goaded: You constantly get busted in lies and gaslighting as you attempt to interfere with US elections. I would say get lost and fix your own country's problems but it's more likely that you helped cause them.

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goaded

"You constantly get busted in lies and gaslighting as you attempt to interfere with US elections."
Name once.

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najekim

@goaded We had to show certified copies of birth certificates, social security cards, marriage license and/or divorce papers if your current name doesn't match your birth certificate, along with other documents to prove who we were and that we were married in order to obtain a REAL ID compliant drivers license (or state ID) which the government will be requiring for anyone wanting to fly or to enter a federal building and some other things.

Now if you do not want to jump through all the hoops, then the ID or drivers license will state "Not for Federal Identification" right under the card type. You won't get through TSA or into federal buildings though unless you have a up-to-date passport or military ID as an alternative.

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@najekim

Please don't encourage this German asshole to keep posting on this thread. He's a flaming liberal who is all about slamming America.

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Avicenna

Indeed. He's one of those European Marxists who think they always know better. His opinion is useless.

I do think getting everyone a state-issued ID is a great idea (free if necessary). But no doubt the Democrats will oppose that as well. It's ridiculous that people can register to vote without an ID and vote without one.

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Dazed0N0Confused | 301 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

This would also disenfranchise white people, i could only imagine the outrage the antivax community would have.

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I have no clue what you mean by either of those comments.
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The antivax community wouldn't be allowed to vote, because they dont have vaccine cards.
It disenfranchises or takes away the right to vote of white people who refuse to get vaccinated. But the GOP seems to be more concerned to make sure black people can't vote, so i it would only be fair to have it happen to white people too.
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1. I never said that a vaccine would be required to vote, so I'm not sure how you arrived at that.
2. The GOP isn't trying to suppress the black vote, they're trying to suppress the illegal vote.
3. The vast majority of blacks are for voter ID because it makes sense.

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Asker

I have no clue what you mean by either of those comments.

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Dazed0N0Confused

The antivax community wouldn't be allowed to vote, because they dont have vaccine cards.
It disenfranchises or takes away the right to vote of white people who refuse to get vaccinated. But the GOP seems to be more concerned to make sure black people can't vote, so i it would only be fair to have it happen to white people too.

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Asker

1. I never said that a vaccine would be required to vote, so I'm not sure how you arrived at that.
2. The GOP isn't trying to suppress the black vote, they're trying to suppress the illegal vote.
3. The vast majority of blacks are for voter ID because it makes sense.

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WowwGirl | 851 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

Why are i. ds suppressing them? Do driver's license to?

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Ask MSNBC and CNN. They're the ones that told me it's surppresssng the black vote.
WowwGirl

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Okay

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Asker

Ask MSNBC and CNN. They're the ones that told me it's surppresssng the black vote.
Rather than suppressing the black vote by making them get voter ID, why not combine the voter ID with their Covid vaccinations?

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WowwGirl

Okay

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Savage_Wisdom | 770 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Yoda

Because how hard is it to get a photo id. Even a brain dead monkey can get a photo ID. So it is EXTREMELY insulting and racist to assume African Americans can't get one. The only reason to be against voter ids is so you can continue to rig elections easily.

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I agree, but you never gave a solution to the problem. I'm all ears.
Savage_Wisdom

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The solution is embarrassingly simple: if you can't get down to a Licensing Bureau, then take a taxi or a bus. Getting a photo id is really cheap, so cost isn't an issue.
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The blacks who want to vote, are already voting. This transportation thing is just an excuse that white liberals use to make blacks look stupid.
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Savage_Wisdom

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That is exactly my point.

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Asker

I agree, but you never gave a solution to the problem. I'm all ears.

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Savage_Wisdom

The solution is embarrassingly simple: if you can't get down to a Licensing Bureau, then take a taxi or a bus. Getting a photo id is really cheap, so cost isn't an issue.

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Asker

The blacks who want to vote, are already voting. This transportation thing is just an excuse that white liberals use to make blacks look stupid.

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Savage_Wisdom

That is exactly my point.

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Celtero

Guru

According to the left, blacks are justified in not getting the vaccine, they already are one of the least likely people to get them, and therefore making covid ID required for voting is still racist in their eyes. You can't use their own dumbfuck leftist logic against them, it's like trying to play an imagined game with a child when they're making the rules.

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There's been some confusion on what I'm suggesting. I'm not suggesting you need a vaccine to vote. If you got the vaccine, I guess you get a card to show that. And while you're already there, you could get your voter ID.
The original excuse for blacks not being able to get the ID was the cost. Then it was proposed that it would be free. So now the new excuse is that blacks can't travel to a place to get ID.

So my solution would be to get the ID while you're already at the Covid vaccine clinic.

But you're right, blacks don't like getting the vaccine, so I have no solution for that.

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Asker

There's been some confusion on what I'm suggesting. I'm not suggesting you need a vaccine to vote. If you got the vaccine, I guess you get a card to show that. And while you're already there, you could get your voter ID.
The original excuse for blacks not being able to get the ID was the cost. Then it was proposed that it would be free. So now the new excuse is that blacks can't travel to a place to get ID.

So my solution would be to get the ID while you're already at the Covid vaccine clinic.

But you're right, blacks don't like getting the vaccine, so I have no solution for that.

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joeldalton | 7.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

Guru

Seems simple enough. Then you can’t use the excuse minorities are too stupid to get ID.

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You wouldn't think so, but they will. One guy on the thread already said it would be unconstitutional.

It took the spacecraft "New Horizons" 9.5 years to reach Pluto, but it somehow got there. How is it humanly possible to achieve that, but we can't achieve national voter ID?
joeldalton

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We don’t need national ID. We are a republic of states, and it should stay that way.
Asker

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Then what kind of ID would you suggest?
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joeldalton

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State issued ID’s are more than sufficient. Driver’s license or state ID.
Asker

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In my state you can get a state ID or driver's license from any passport in the world. They will also register you to vote on the spot.
I'm rarely in favor of big government, but do you really trust a blue state like mine to play by the rules?

I'm sure in California they would require you to pinky swear who you are. That's why I want a universally agreed upon NATIONAL ID.

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Asker

You wouldn't think so, but they will. One guy on the thread already said it would be unconstitutional.
Rather than suppressing the black vote by making them get voter ID, why not combine the voter ID with their Covid vaccinations?

It took the spacecraft "New Horizons" 9.5 years to reach Pluto, but it somehow got there. How is it humanly possible to achieve that, but we can't achieve national voter ID?

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joeldalton

We don’t need national ID. We are a republic of states, and it should stay that way.

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Asker

Then what kind of ID would you suggest?

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joeldalton

State issued ID’s are more than sufficient. Driver’s license or state ID.

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Asker

In my state you can get a state ID or driver's license from any passport in the world. They will also register you to vote on the spot.
I'm rarely in favor of big government, but do you really trust a blue state like mine to play by the rules?

I'm sure in California they would require you to pinky swear who you are. That's why I want a universally agreed upon NATIONAL ID.

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Anonymous

Anyone can get an ID, why is it noble to just assume that Black people don’t have the ability to get to a DMV and fill out a form? You have to have an ID to get a home, a car, and even to fly. I see Black people doing all three.

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You also have to have ID to get a job.
Opinion Owner

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This is true. 16-year old teenagers somehow figure out how to get these IDs that you literally need to do anything in life. How insulting is it to say “You’re Black, you don’t know how to do this”. It’s pandering.
Asker

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Yes, and for whatever reason, you don't hear the blacks standing up to THIS kind of racism. They seem to pick and choose their battles.
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Opinion Owner

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Very true. The only people complaining about voter ID laws hurting black people are white elites.
Asker

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And that's because they are paving the way for illegal aliens to vote.
Opinion Owner

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Well it’s already possible to vote in a lot of states without being a citizen. If you can get an ID in some states, you’re automatically registered to vote.
Asker

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And my state is one of those. It's fucking stupid, but you'd be surprised how many on this site that think this makes sense.
Opinion Owner

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They’re literally the same people that have no idea that certain policies are in place because they voted them in. They complain about the effect the policy inevitably has but not the fact that they voted for the policy themselves.

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Asker

You also have to have ID to get a job.

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Opinion Owner

This is true. 16-year old teenagers somehow figure out how to get these IDs that you literally need to do anything in life. How insulting is it to say “You’re Black, you don’t know how to do this”. It’s pandering.

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Asker

Yes, and for whatever reason, you don't hear the blacks standing up to THIS kind of racism. They seem to pick and choose their battles.

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Opinion Owner

Very true. The only people complaining about voter ID laws hurting black people are white elites.

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Asker

And that's because they are paving the way for illegal aliens to vote.

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Opinion Owner

Well it’s already possible to vote in a lot of states without being a citizen. If you can get an ID in some states, you’re automatically registered to vote.

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Asker

And my state is one of those. It's fucking stupid, but you'd be surprised how many on this site that think this makes sense.

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Opinion Owner

They’re literally the same people that have no idea that certain policies are in place because they voted them in. They complain about the effect the policy inevitably has but not the fact that they voted for the policy themselves.

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Anonymous

these are fun. Too much common sense and logic being thrown around here. Definitely about to short circuit some liberal minds with this.

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That was my entire goal; to short circuit some liberal minds. I'm kind of shocked that a liberal hasn't pointed out that blacks can't even get to a vaccine station. But they really can't, because they would be calling the vaccine system racist, and they sure would never do that. LOL

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Asker

That was my entire goal; to short circuit some liberal minds. I'm kind of shocked that a liberal hasn't pointed out that blacks can't even get to a vaccine station. But they really can't, because they would be calling the vaccine system racist, and they sure would never do that. LOL

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Anonymous

Most black people are wary of the vaccine. so now you're proposing that we take away their right to vote if they don't get the white man's medicine?

#Racism

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#Retarded

Sam, I never said that, you did.

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Asker

#Retarded

Sam, I never said that, you did.

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KennyG72

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there is no evidence that the id requirement actually suppresses the black vote. Do you know how hard it is to find a black person that can't get to the DMV?

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Asker

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I agree, but where has that gotten us?

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Asker

I agree, but where has that gotten us?

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Anonymous

Firstly, voter ID doesn't suppress the black vote in any way and the overwhelming majority of black people support it.

Secondly, vaccination has no bearing on your eligibility to vote and to try to implement it is fascistic.

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Firstly, who said you had to be vaccinated to vote?
Opinion Owner

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I misinterpreted the second part. I though you were referencing a vaccine passport style thing in order to vote.

So the first part is still true, it doesn't suppress the vote.
But the second part in my opinion wouldn't be more efficient. They're two different things which I feel would bog down rollouts for both rather than help them. They're not hard to get, so such things should be entirely unnecessary anyway.

I don't see how it's meant to help both parties. I don't see how that would do anything to convince Democrats that wasn't suppressing the black vote.
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Tell me your solution to the problem.
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Opinion Owner

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Let the voter ID requirements be a thing... and that's it.
People will choose to provide voter ID if they want to vote.
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10 mo
Good luck with that. Some polling places are accepting you electric bill as ID.
Opinion Owner

10 mo
If that’s enough, the that’s fine. They only need proof of residence and proof of identity. If a bill suffices then that’s fine. Many things count as adequate voter ID.
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10 mo
Is your picture on your electric bill?
Opinion Owner

10 mo
Include some photo ID.
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10 mo
The liberals say that is racist.
Opinion Owner

10 mo
The American colloquialism “liberal” doesn’t refer to people who believe in liberalism.

It refers to the tribal left and it’s the leftists who are the people who believe that it’s racist. The solution is that they should be ignored. Just implement effective voter ID and let them complain in vain.
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10 mo
I'm all for that, but be prepared for cities to burn at the hands of Antifa and BLM.
Opinion Owner

10 mo
The solution to that is the same, don't tolerate their nonsense and enforce the law.

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Asker

Firstly, who said you had to be vaccinated to vote?

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Opinion Owner

I misinterpreted the second part. I though you were referencing a vaccine passport style thing in order to vote.

So the first part is still true, it doesn't suppress the vote.
But the second part in my opinion wouldn't be more efficient. They're two different things which I feel would bog down rollouts for both rather than help them. They're not hard to get, so such things should be entirely unnecessary anyway.

I don't see how it's meant to help both parties. I don't see how that would do anything to convince Democrats that wasn't suppressing the black vote.

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Asker

Tell me your solution to the problem.

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Opinion Owner

Let the voter ID requirements be a thing... and that's it.
People will choose to provide voter ID if they want to vote.

Answer 63

Asker

Good luck with that. Some polling places are accepting you electric bill as ID.

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Opinion Owner

If that’s enough, the that’s fine. They only need proof of residence and proof of identity. If a bill suffices then that’s fine. Many things count as adequate voter ID.

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Asker

Is your picture on your electric bill?

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Opinion Owner

Include some photo ID.

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Asker

The liberals say that is racist.

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Opinion Owner

The American colloquialism “liberal” doesn’t refer to people who believe in liberalism.

It refers to the tribal left and it’s the leftists who are the people who believe that it’s racist. The solution is that they should be ignored. Just implement effective voter ID and let them complain in vain.

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I'm all for that, but be prepared for cities to burn at the hands of Antifa and BLM.

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Opinion Owner

The solution to that is the same, don't tolerate their nonsense and enforce the law.

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888theGreat | 4.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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Why don't you blow away. Why don't liberals just take their losses instead of Cheating. That would be even easier.

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Your heart's in the right place, but I wished your brain was, also. It might behoove you to read the comments before you decide that I'm a liberal. This is not the first time you've done this, and I'm sure it won't be the last time.

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Your heart's in the right place, but I wished your brain was, also. It might behoove you to read the comments before you decide that I'm a liberal. This is not the first time you've done this, and I'm sure it won't be the last time.

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Anonymous

So you're saying Blacks should get special treatment?

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10 mo
No, you said that.
Opinion Owner

10 mo
"Rather than suppressing the black vote by making them get voter ID"

The voter ID is for EVERYONE. Not just Blacks.
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Yes, voter ID and vaccines are for everyone. I agree with you.

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Asker

No, you said that.

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Opinion Owner

"Rather than suppressing the black vote by making them get voter ID"

The voter ID is for EVERYONE. Not just Blacks.

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Asker

Yes, voter ID and vaccines are for everyone. I agree with you.

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abc3643 | 3.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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That's unconstitutional.

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The vaccines?
abc3643

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No. This is sort of complicated to explain... and I could be wrong...

Generally, registering to vote is usually a solitary act not done in conjunction with anything else. Throughout history, many people have been leery of efforts to enhance voter registration with other events. Just as an example, in some states, you can register to vote when you are getting your driver's license, but there's been a lot of pushback against that.

But, besides all that, having an ID is generally not a requirement to vote. However, constitutionally, each state can establish its own rules for voter qualification subject to the voting-related amendments to the US Constitution such as the 26th Amendment which, 50 years ago, gave 18-year olds the right to vote everywhere in the US. So, if in 1970, the state of Pennsyltucky had a minimum voting age of 21, then, once the 26th Amendment went into effect by the 1972 election, Pennsyltucky would have been required to permit 18-year olds to vote.

But, surprisingly, Constitutionally, you don't even have to be a citizen to vote, let alone have an ID. It just so happens that every state requires voters to be American citizens. But not every state requires an ID. When I voted in NY, I just showed up and signed a book that had my name in it as a registered voter. It also had an image of my signature from either my voter registration or the last time I voted and the pollster would do a quick comparison.

Anyway, if a state requires a voter ID, your scheme MAY work, but things like registering to vote differ from state to state and may require different proofs of evidence for ID... not the sort of thing that one brings to an already crowded clinic that doesn't need employees from state to deal with voter registration as well.
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10 mo
Letting illegal aliens vote is against the Constitution. Should communist China vote in the elections in America? Remember the three year investigation about Russian meddling in the elections?

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Asker

The vaccines?

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abc3643

No. This is sort of complicated to explain... and I could be wrong...

Generally, registering to vote is usually a solitary act not done in conjunction with anything else. Throughout history, many people have been leery of efforts to enhance voter registration with other events. Just as an example, in some states, you can register to vote when you are getting your driver's license, but there's been a lot of pushback against that.

But, besides all that, having an ID is generally not a requirement to vote. However, constitutionally, each state can establish its own rules for voter qualification subject to the voting-related amendments to the US Constitution such as the 26th Amendment which, 50 years ago, gave 18-year olds the right to vote everywhere in the US. So, if in 1970, the state of Pennsyltucky had a minimum voting age of 21, then, once the 26th Amendment went into effect by the 1972 election, Pennsyltucky would have been required to permit 18-year olds to vote.

But, surprisingly, Constitutionally, you don't even have to be a citizen to vote, let alone have an ID. It just so happens that every state requires voters to be American citizens. But not every state requires an ID. When I voted in NY, I just showed up and signed a book that had my name in it as a registered voter. It also had an image of my signature from either my voter registration or the last time I voted and the pollster would do a quick comparison.

Anyway, if a state requires a voter ID, your scheme MAY work, but things like registering to vote differ from state to state and may require different proofs of evidence for ID... not the sort of thing that one brings to an already crowded clinic that doesn't need employees from state to deal with voter registration as well.

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Letting illegal aliens vote is against the Constitution. Should communist China vote in the elections in America? Remember the three year investigation about Russian meddling in the elections?

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JesseJayNeak | 2.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.

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It's not that difficult to get an ID

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I agree, but where has that gotten us?
JesseJayNeak

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What does vaccines have to do with voting though?
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10 mo
Read the description again. I laid it all out for you.
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JesseJayNeak

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Even so, I don't understand how it suppresses the black vote. It just doesn't
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I agree with you 100%.
JesseJayNeak

10 mo
You could have just removed the first part of your title. It'd have worked out just as well
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No, because that was my way of slamming the idiots that call this voter suppression.
JesseJayNeak

10 mo
Ah, OK

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Asker

I agree, but where has that gotten us?

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JesseJayNeak

What does vaccines have to do with voting though?

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Asker

Read the description again. I laid it all out for you.

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JesseJayNeak

Even so, I don't understand how it suppresses the black vote. It just doesn't

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Asker

I agree with you 100%.

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JesseJayNeak

You could have just removed the first part of your title. It'd have worked out just as well

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Asker

No, because that was my way of slamming the idiots that call this voter suppression.

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JesseJayNeak

Ah, OK

Rather than suppressing the black vote by making them get voter ID, why not combine the voter ID with their Covid vaccinations?

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