I never said it doesn't have a racist meaning in English, I think you misunderstood me and the intention of my original answer
It has a different pronunciation in Spanish but it is the only word we have for black, so what does the Spanish caste system have to do with that word?
@Aurora1010 You said the word wasn’t racist and that it just means black in Spanish but I’m telling you that even in Spanish they had cast systems dedicated to putting down Black people in racist ways which is where they get the word from.The word that the Spanish use for black was derived from the English derogatory term “n***” Not only that but the Spanish one out of their way to make sure that anyone who was black would ultimately be at the bottom of their society therefore it’s not just the Spanish word for Black, They use the word in The same discriminatory way to put down Black people
@Aurora1010 This isn’t wrong in any way, this is the racist way in which Latin America people treated Black people.
Look up the origin of the word, it's Latin like most of our words. Just because Americans decided to use it in a racist way so we have to look for another word for black to now? No, because it's not related. Also Latin Americans still use mestizo and mulato to describe their ethnicity when needed, this isn't the US where everything is racist the Spanish caste system in heirarchy is seen as racist yes but not the words, just like Native American is not a racist word but was part of the caste, however if you don't want to use that, I respect it.
@Aurora1010 I also don’t like the comparison that you make between it coming from “Latin roots” and how that would basically mean that yellow somehow being racist now.The Spanish word for black is so similar in spelling and sound to the derogatory term for Black people that it’s hard not to see the connection there - Not only that but if you had even listen to what I said about the fact that Latin American colonies had built a whole social system based on putting people with African ancestry at the bottom of society. It’s clear to see that this word just wasn’t rooted in the name black from Latin roots but rather in the discriminatory way that these colonies treat people with darker skin tones.May I remind you that languages such as French also originate from Latin roots however they use words such as “noir” which doesn’t closely copy that derogatory term.
I said in Spanish it is not racist, not in English and I said that it literally just means black too so no point in using a word that means black which he was trying to evade. I never said, use that other word, I know it's racist in the United States
I am Mexican and I know my history and the Spanish language well, it means black and it's the only word we have for it. The Americans made that racist
@Aurora1010 I took college level world history classes about the Reconquista and the colonization of different parts of the the world, part of those classes was learning how the Spanish like the Americas set up colonies with classes based on race. Just because you’re mexican doesn’t mean you’re in tune with the history of the Spanish. Like the Europeans they were just as discriminatory towards Black people which is why they copied them and using that derogatory word within their language.
You’re saying that the N-word is only racist in the United States but what I’m trying to tell you is that the Spanish like the Europeans had a whole social system dedicated to putting people were African ancestry at the bottom of society. not only that but they copied the derogatory term for Black people into their language to use as the word black (So no it didn’t just originate from Latin origins as I said the FrenchSo far you have offered up nothing to counter what I’ve been saying, only say that that’s not the case even though Explain to you and detailed the different social classes with in the colonies. So no it didn’t just originate from Latin origins, as I said the FrenchThe French also originated from Latin origins but they didn’t copy that derogatory term nearly as closely as the Spanish nor Implements discriminatory systems as such to the same degree.You’re not arguing what I’m saying at all because what I’m saying is it has a racist meaning both in the Spanish language and in the US because with both of their histories they use the word to discriminate against people of darker skin tones.
Just like you study history, so have I so yes I am in tune with my history. I know everything about the caste system, actually there were even more words for every type of mix you could imagine, Spaniards back then we're weird. https://es.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/negroDel castellano antiguo negro ("negro"), y este del latín nigrum ("negro") It means "Of ancient Castilian negro ("negro"), and this from the Latin nigrum ("negro") As you see, in Spanish it came from Latin not English or Americans. The only thing is that in Latin it was spelled in different ways according to how it was used I guess
@Aurora1010 As I explained the French word for black also came from Latin origins but they didn’t copy it nearly as closely as you guys did to the Americans who were using it in a discriminatory manner. Not only that but the Spanish empire then copy the Americans using that same discriminatory system to put mulattos, zambos and African slaves at the bottom cast of society.You guys used this word with the intent to hurt People of darker skin tones not for the sole purpose of just describing the word black
Ok, I clearly just sent you a link that negro exactly how it's spelled now it comes from ANCIENT Castilian as in even before they came to America and had black slaves and there is not one mention there about English or AmericansI gave the evidence and now I have nothing more to add
@Aurora1010 Again you’re not arguing what I’m arguing at all. You’re trying to pin all this racism on the Americans and just them Using discriminatory ways to put down Black people.But what I’m saying is the Spanish are innocent they did the exact same thing and they got away with it which is why they still continue to use this word in their language to this day without any repercussions.You obviously haven’t taking a History class because you still insist that this word doesn’t have a discriminatory meaning behind it even after I explain to you the links the Spanish empire went through in order to put people with African ancestry at the bottom of their societiesThere’s really nothing more I can say to you
*The Spanish or not innocent
@Aurora1010 What I’m saying is that the Spanish used the word “n*gro” within their colonies, The same way Americans had used the word within their colonies. They were not just describing a color from Latin roots they did it with the intent to hurt Black people.
All I see there is translation from Spanish text into English, that doesn't mean it was copied from Americans.All I am saying is, it isn't racist when we use this words in Spanish. Not that the Spaniards were not racist and evil back then, I know they were, they wiped out the island of Hispaniola from Tainos. I am not even a Spaniard, I am a Mexican, like I said. Why would I care to defend them? I know they were not innocentYes, I am studying history in the university, so yes I know what I am saying.
@Aurora1010 Well I’m sorry then but in my opinion I just feel like you’re refusing to see the the racism behind the way they use that word. Because despite what you’re telling me in my eyes you are defending them you’re saying that even though they use this language in a racist way and even though they have a whole system dedicated to putting down Black people it’s OK for them to still use this word to describe Black people to this day. Not only that but I’m seeing a clear double standard here where it’s not OK for Americans to say it but it’s perfectly fine when a Spanish person calls a black person “n*gro” Because in your eyes all you can see is the word “black” and not the history that comes with that word.I don’t think you understand the historical context at all
@Aurora1010 You know they used this word to hurt Black people and yet you’re adamant here defending this word and The way they used it to label Black people for reasons I can’t possibly understand.All I know is that this didn’t change my mind at all and I still think that the way Spanish people have continued to carry on using use this word to this day is very Telling of just the type of attitudes they have towards Black people
Thanks for sharing this. I love learning History and the meaning of words and I had no idea that the word "negro" derived from Spanish colonialism and slavery.
@menina It wasn't, I already sent the link to that though
@Aurora1010 I need to check the link. I know that in Spanish "negro" means "black", it's a color. But at the same time we can't forget that the Spanish were involved in slave trade and colonialism.
@menina yes, like I said... the Spaniards did terrible things
@Aurora1010 Yes, just like other Western European people.
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@PoliteSpeaker I know, I am only saying that he says it's better than saying black but it literally means black as well, that's all
Update: Just to make it clear, what the other user said is wrong. It is not rooted in racism in Spanish, it literally JUST means black from the Latin word for black "nigreos" is saying amarillo "yellow" racist too then? Of course not
“”Negro””has never been a formal word”You are very wrong and not even worth talking to about the matter.
You obviously didn’t read my response, lol
Nvm. I retract my statement, and I co-sign what @RiverUnderTheSky said. I was incorrect.