@MrTaboo With lies, yes.
stunning and brave
Ok what lies? And need proof
@MrTaboo That Trump won the election.Proof: Biden is president.That mask and vaccine mandates don't work.Proof: the 25,000 more deaths in Florida since June 2020 (after the initial shock) than in New York. Or the 25,000 since June 2021 (vaccines available) in Florida compared to 10,000 in New York.
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I wish conservatives would realize every one of those demands requires taxes.
They are cost effective-especially the secure border.
No actually. Immigration is a net positive for the economy.
Not illegal immigration. Each illegal alien costs the taxpayers 30-50K per year per person. It is the gift that keeps on giving. How much do you think "free" healthcare costs? EBT cards, Section 8 housing? Not to mention the court system and the burden of increased crime? It all adds up. Joe has let over 2 million just walk right in and the taxpayer had to pay. How is that a net positive on the economy?
No that’s a right wing bullshit line. Not saying pursuing “illegal” immgirants cost nothing but the net benefit to even non legal immigrants is a positive. https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133
It’s an interesting study by the GAO. I already found this paragraph.Illegal aliens generate revenues as well as costs; these revenues offset some of the costs that governments incur. Research studies indicate that many illegal aliens pay taxes, including federal and state income taxes; Social Security tax; and sales, gasoline, and property taxes. However, researchers disagree on the amount of revenues illegal aliens generate and the extent to which these revenues offset government costs for benefits and services.
how do they generate anything? Most do not work and the few that do get paid under the table. They may have a fake social security card but most will never put a dime into the system. my son was getting his drivers license and he had to bring his social security card. He was told that somebody else had already got a drivers license with his SS number. We had to drive home and come back with a birth certificate.
You are seriously deluded, no offense. They can’t collect govt benefits, they have to work. Shit jobs.
And pay sales tax for everything they buy.
yes, I agree with that except for the stuff they steal.
Obviously being illegal it’s harder to live within the law. But people fleeing economic devastation, drugs cartels etc, don’t really have a choice do they?Legal immigration has been made so bloody hard.
I do not see it that way. I see it from a citizen taxpayer's point of view. Creating a stay in Mexico policy and building a border wall created a secure border and kept drug trafficking and human trafficking to a minimum. There is a limit to legal immigration for a reason. The country cannot absorb an endless number of new immigrants. In the very near future we will see the result of Biden's border crisis and what his open border policies will cause.
Immigration has never been that big of a deal. It’s a right wing wedge issue that doesn’t really exist. Like voter fraud.
voter fraud is the end game for illegal immigration.
Yet they can’t vote…
in new your city they can. This is only the beginning/.
What are you talking about? What city allows illegals to vote? Where’s the evidence that 2020 wasn’t the most secure election in history?
New York City does. the fake news does not really like to talk about it for obvious reasons.
Jesus Christ, link to evidence for this or piss off with your “fake news”.
@OddBeMe here it is right from the fake newswww.nytimes.com/.../...zens-voting-rights-nyc.html
Interesting. Just local elections. But it’s not like it’s underhanded.
@OddBeMe this is how the whole thing starts. little by little they are turning America into a third world hellhole.
It’s how it starts? Nothing has started. And the only voter fraud are right wingers.
eventually this will spread for the whole state and eventually it will permeate to the federal level.
I'd say black people may some leeway from the Tuskogee experiments, but not really. Thats a dumb reason too. So liberals can criticize POC too.
It's not about criticizing , but standing up for them. Lol typical libs, only uses the black community for votes.
certainly. But I can still ask them vax. Same as whites.
yes. but the right wingers on my level are destroying my economy.
we discussed this. Any medical personnel not vaxxed is a hazard and should be fired immediately
What about natural immunity which many of them had when they were fired?
Left wingers love licking boots just as long as the boots are rainbow coloured
Can the nurses caring for my loved ones prove their natural immunity? No? Then I'll require a vax card.Natural immunity fades and is just a stupid excuse.
internationalist ideas. Can you be more vague?
You're left wing, use your imagination
Unfort there’s too much right wing bullshit to list. “Globalism”? Lack of labor jobs? The oft used “evil” immigrants?
Okay - how does the elimination of borders benefit western workers on a local level?
1) no one is asking to eliminate borders. 2) but healthy immigration is a net benefit to local economies. That’s been proven over and over again. As well as why right wingers use anti immigration or border security as a wedge issue for dumb shits.
You support the same policies very wealthy people support. Has that never occurred to you that it might not actually be in *your* best interest?If a business cannot find labour locally then we assume they're simply not paying enough for someone to take the job and thus dont deserve access to pulling from the labour market worldwide where they have the ability to exploit.Stealing intellectuals and skilled labour is also how the West props itself up and keeps developing countries from developing. China has thankfully been developing in Africa (however they do not hire locally and instead send Chinese workers to work on their projects there. This is a good thing of course.)
as a business owner i can tell you thats not true. some jobs i can not find anyone but "cash laborers"
funny that I think the rich are using immigration and border security to distract you from taxing them too much.
It's a mix of both, they're blaming the immigrant as well to distract which is why you see people blaming immigrants rather than the rich business owners who made that decision to hire
so are you upset you have to compete with immigrants for unskilled labor?
I dont have to but no one should have to compete for an unskilled job, it's an unskilled job no? We have a prison population and helping offenders get into the job market would stop most people from reoffendingWe've been tricked into thinking GDP growth benefits the average person.. if economic growth benefitted the average person then there wouldn't be rising housing prices, wages stagnating and costs of living going up but the upper class seems to be getting wealthier? Seems the West has the wrong idea. None of this will be solved just by making the rich pay their fair share (which they should) there's more factors. Labour shortage is simply an exploitable labour shortage and socialism starts at home, not internationally. In a globalised world internationalism only serves to benefit those wealthy enough to take advantage of both the advantaged and disadvantaged.
Don’t have to compete? That’s communism. Competition is how we get workers skilled.
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