Should trans people be allowed to compete in women’s sports?

[Kiran_Yagami]

It really depends on how much you really believe in "equality". If you hold the tenant that trans-women are indeed women, then you cannot disallow them from competing in women's sports. To do so would be 100% hypocritical and unethical. You're essentially pandering to the trans community without backing it up with action. It's just words that you don't really believe in. Either trans-women are women or they aren't, but you can't try to straddle that fence. However, if you really believe that men and women are equal and that men can transition to women, why do we even segregate sports to begin with? If we're all equal, why not just throw everyone into one bucket and let the superior athlete come out on top?

On the other hand, if you are of the opinion that men and women are fundamentally different at the biological level to the point that men hold a natural advantage over women physically, then that is the blatant admission that trans-women are not women. They are men who want to be viewed as and treated as women, but they are not women. If that is your opinion, then you have solid ground to stand on when you say trans-women should not be allowed to compete in women's sports. If men have higher muscle mass, higher bone density, are taller, and fitter than women even on just a statistical level, then trans-women are not really women and shouldn't be allowed to compete against them.

[EpicDweeb]

No they should not. Male and Female bodies (and just so no one gets offended I'm strictly speaking about biologically defined Male and Female in the sense of chromosomes) are fundamentally different in several ways, primarily in terms of hormone production and muscle development. A male body naturally builds different muscles and more of them than a female body and has a greater over-all potential for physical prowess. The female body produces different hormones and in larger quantities, making them more empathetic and the gender that generally keeps those possessing a male body in check. It's hard to say that they are or aren't "equals" because they are fundamentally different. It'd be like saying "Star Wars is as great a masterpiece as the Mona Lisa" you can't really make an effective comparison.

All I can really say is, if you believe yourself to be a female whilst being in a male body, okay, you do you. But realize that no amount of hormone therapy will change the DNA of your body and there will always be fundamental differences there. You should not be allowed to compete with other women in physical competition, when their bodies ARE biologically female because they have a different chemical makeup than do yours.

Now that I have likely offended everyone, please proceed to berate me in whichever way you see fit.

[lumos]

No. I'm all for trans-rights and I consider myself a feminist, but in my opinion female transgenders don't have the right to compete against cis girls/women. They have the right to identify as women and that's fine, but that doesn't erase the cold FACT that they were born with male body parts and therefore have a massive physical advantage. It doesn't matter if they've started to transition and are going through hormone therapy, the fact of the matter is that up until that point, all their muscles, bones and organs have massively benefitted from all the years of development prior to transitioning, with the help of testosterone. It's pretty much impossible for a woman to compete against that, and that's why those two transgenders in the first video both took first and second place.

This is also the reason why you don't put 20 year olds up against 10 year old kids, or why disabled people don't compete against able-bodied people. There's a clear difference in physical capabilities that is strictly biological, and can't just be boiled down to "not working hard enough" or "not being talented enough". I'm happy that these trans girls are comfortable with who they are and that they love running, but it simply isn't fair to have them compete against cis-girls. They have a biological advantage that cannot be overlooked, no matter how they identify themselves on the inside.

[Moonstricken]

I'm all for LGBT having EQUAL rights, but I am not delusional to certain facts. I was in martial arts. I know for a FACT that despite how hard a woman trains, at a baseline level, a man will always be superior in physical strength. I also know for a fact that the women's hips make it impossible for them to run as fast as a man. I know for a fact, that despite have hormone replacement therapy and a full on sex change, the bone and muscular structure still contains the blueprints to male strength.

No, this is not equal rights. This is not OK. It is not OK to interfere with the lives of others who have trained their whole lives to compete with someone they biologically can not win against.

Solution: Trans only sports. Remember, we are trying to make this equal, and not allow ourselves
to pity-favor one side.

[weasley8]

I think that sports need to be changed. Instead of categorizing people by gender, categorize them by some other relevant factor, depending on the sport. Like how wrestling splits people up by weight.

That way even if it’s mostly people who were identified made at birth in the “hardest” category, if that’s the right word to use, a trans woman can be placed there and it won’t be indirectly calling her a man.

It would be a big change though. And it will take time. But the world needs to change to become more inclusive.

[MackToday]

No but it is kind of funny. These "feminists" ranted and railed against "patriarchy" etc for decades. Then the men they sang about killing etc put on dresses and fucked them out of all of it. Cool thing is , this warped shit just brings the cultural Marxist garbage that much closer to collapse and never ever getting up again. Here they are being the communists they want to be, celebrating commie things, having some Bolshevik fun, stinking up the world a bit. Before the trannys moved in on them that is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKgYIWHs71w

[Texaskid1]

No.
Because a trans-"woman" is not a women. He is a man no matter how many hormone injections and plastic surgeries he gets. He will still have the muscle to body mass ratio and the bone density and structure of a man. Have you heard of the case of the transgender MM fighter - Fallon Fox - he would fight under the women's division and would kick everyone ass. It took away before they found out he was trans.

These of course goes to show that men and women are different - of course many on the left will not have it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQpQmNhya14

[elissa23Trans]

If the trans woman has been on hormone replacement therapy for at least 3 years, I think she should be allowed to compete with other women provided that her hormone levels have all been in female ranges in these 3 years. After 3 years of low testosterone and high estrogen the muscle mass will have decreased to female proportions and the fat percentage will have gone up significantly, taking away any advantage that she had over a cis woman. The bone density also decreases in trans women after we start HRT, so after a couple of years we don’t have stronger bones than cis women. If the trans woman is not taking HRT then I think she should compete with men because testosterone is a powerful hormone that gives lots of advantages. It’s necessary to decrease it to female ranges.

[NightFlirt]

Yes they should be allowed, HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) will actually reduce muscle mass. OK yes there are 2000 men in the world who can out sprint the fastest woman to date. How many male Athletes are there 10,000? (Random number). The girl in that first video could just as easily have gotten 7th place if all the runners were biologically female. I notice that she's not upset about being slower than the 4 biological females that beat her. The military has double standards with their PT test, Women need to do less Push-ups and can take longer on the 2 mile run, But need to do more Sit-ups than men. Here is the reality some men can do more sit-ups than any woman, and I've seen women out run and out push-up men.

[DDpsy]

As a straight white guy I refuse to give a shit and I think all men should simply not touch the subject at all. Let women deal with it and fairness in their sports and what people use their bathrooms. They are all strong independent women. Wherever it goes I will watch it from the sidelines and laugh my ass off at the circus.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely! In this world we live in today where everyone wants to feel special and will push any boundry to achieve it, and the people that enable them. This is the result! Deal with it!
Whati find funny is those male athletes that have "temporary gender idenitiy issues". I don't know the name of the athlete but he temporarily identified as a woman broke a woman's record. Then revealed he was over his identity crisis. The record has to stand because at the time of it's breaking it was broken by someone who identified as a woman.

[Claireluvskaren]

Ain't that a can of worms we have opened. Equal rights would say that all "women" need to be allowed to compete against other "girls". Restrooms count too, I've seen "girls" in the ladies toilets only problem was their feet were facing the wrong way as they were peeing. But we can't judge, because that wouldn't be fair.

[Britantic]

No it's unfair and sexist for a man to compete in women's sports.

[lucasnabizada]

They simply shouldn't on the basis of their appropriate biological makeup, whether they reject it or not is not relevant to their physical characteristics and that goes both ways. Men and women have different competences, they have different strengths and weaknesses. It's not denying someone's humanity. Science and biology still exist, people can live the way they like but that does not imply forcing their own agenda on others by forcing themselves in to compete somewhere that has distinct standards and requirements.

[BrittBratt2416]

Why not just compete or open another division for just trans to compete with one another? I'm sorry but no, they have an advantage. These people are taking hormones and have their natural hormone (testosterone). TThey are biologically men thus they are built differently, if i was any of the women in sports knowing i have to compete with someone who is biologically male but identifying as female I would be pissed. I would probably not play in the event.

[Jjpayne]

If it is a co-ed team then yes
but if it is womens only no
however, surgery can change things, it depends on what they did for the surgery and if they were on hormones growing up as a kid during their growing stages.
I think there should maybe be a weekly test for a transgender person to ensure they are fair for competing.
but overall, womens only, no

[BeMuse]

I think it’s dumb that some women want to compete against men dressed as women for some farce vision of equality. It’s done in poor judgment, but it’s their choice to screw up their own house. I just wish they’d afford the same level of respect to men’s clubs, sports leagues, etc. and allow us to run our own ship rather than trying to butt into things like the boy scouts and try to force them to include everyone.

[jimbob07]

Worse, far worse. She totally changed. I think she wanted to punish me for the split first time.
After she put me through hell, (made me homeless and caused so much trouble in work I had to leave, tried to make me chose between her and my children) couldn't understand why I finished it again.
She then went through a mental breakdown...
So... no I don't think it works.. somethings you never can fix

[tartaarsaus]

Depends on their level of testosterone.

There are certain thresholds of where more testosterone yields an unacceptably large advantage.

I find that using this level of testosterone is a better way of deciding whether transgenders can participate in female competitions, as hormone reducers actually exist. To me, it makes more sense to allow transgenders who have testosterone levels comparable to biological women to participate and to leave out those who would make the sport uneven, rather than arbitrarily banning every single mtf transgender.

[_my_fukking_anarchy]

NO. Trans women have the physical advantages of men and that makes it impossible for women to have any chance of winning against them. The little feelings of less than 1% of society don't matter, compared to a whole gender's right to have a fair competition.

[hellacray]

They should not I've seen guys that literally still look like guys that identify as women compete.

I mean hey who's fault is this? Sjw and feminist always blabbering about equality and gender identity.

And now it's harming female athletes. If they don't separate the trans pretty soon you'll see nothing, but guys in both the men's and women's sports.

Which I think is actually kinda funny, but unfair to the women.

[Flotri66]

They should make a men's midget division and women's midget division in the Olympics. It's not their fault they can't compete against the regular tall people. Hell, they can't even cut it in the special Olympics. They are all too dam tall! And then we should introduce trans midget women in the woman's division to see how that plays out. What do you guys think?

[cavmanier]

I don't think so. We have separate sports so that women are able to compete. Without separate sports of course men will dominate virtually everything. Trans girls feel like girls mentally or on the inside, but they still have male biology so I believe letting biological males compete with them undermines the whole reason we have separate sports.

[Anonymous]

American's call your congressperson and tell them not to support the Equality Act, or this is the end of women's sports. They want men who "identify" as women to be able to compete in women's sports, regardless of taking testosterone blockers or not. Imagine Lebron James suddenly identifying as female and playing in women's professional basketball. The "Equality Act" would make it illegal to question it. Is this the kind of crazy we want?

[ecfresh]

Of course they should be allowed to compete. If a biologically born woman identifies as a man, she should still be able to complete as a woman in athletic competitions. Why would you say she can’t?

[Lauren-green]

No because men are naturally stronger, fitter and faster than women. Even if they identify as female, or have had surgery, their body and muscle mass etc is still male.

[Anonymous]

If we're gonna accept them as women in society, then they're women. If they can't compete in women's sports, then we're not being inclusive. Not allowing them to compete is telling them they aren't women.

I think men should back away from this issue completely and let the women handle it. They fought hardest to get trans women accepted, so they should be the ones to reneg.

[Bananaman177]

Yes, they serve a key function in women's sports.

They represent reality.

[menina]

I'm against discrimination towards transgender people, but I think transgender women shouldn't be allowed to compete against women who aren't transgender.
It's not fair since they still have high levels of testosterone and features that men usually have.
Sure, they might get surgery and take pills to complete the process, but they can't change some things about their bodies.

[witherwing]

There are biological women who have higher levels of testosterone who are banned from competing, so why would trans people be allowed either? Of course there are sports where being trans doesn't give an advantage, which is why trans women shouldn't be banned from women's sports completely, yet they should meet the standards of the sport in question. Sometimes it mean sthey aren't allowed to compete.

[Anonymous]

In the future we're going to have male females Trans and cyborg sports. We're just in a transitional time Right now where people are confused and don't understand science and Think with Emotion and want to virtue signal on social media how great they are. Western societie is probly going to fall because of this but not like its the end of human societie.

[GiaQuebecoise]

No because a man has a different bone structure than a woman, if he went through puberty as a man, and a man always has a bigger lung capacity than a woman giving him more endurance. So even if you have your balls taken off, you still have too much advantage over actual women if you are a trans woman or what do they want to call it?

[BCA6010]

No, not under any circumstances.

No matter how much they mutilate themselves, or inject voodoo into their body, they are still biologically whatever they were born as.

[kittycat119]

I wanna say yes if they transition b4 puberty and they don't get all the growth and stuff that boys get when they become men. But I'm not sure if even if you take the hormones b4 puberty will your body be enough delayed as a man to be considered not physically stronger and stuff. So I'm honestly not completly sure where I stand on this because of that

[Suraj1711]

There should be a transgender sports and see what would happen if men and women enter it. I identify myself as an attack helicopter but was declined afterwards cause I'm not a ✌️helicopter✌️.

[zoeadams3]

No. No. No. The bone structure and muscle structure is already in place! Artificial hormones are not going to completely negate that. Even then without the drugs or surgery all the guy had to do is identify as female and still have his junk attached.

[sean1234]

When I think of "trans" I think of transmission. Those are simply men pretending to be women. So, NO, men should not be competing in womens competitions.

[blondfrog]

No that's way unfair. Like that one guy cutting his dick off to become a woman and beating the woman's racing record. How can anyone say that's fair. If they want equality so bad then they should just compete against other transgenders. Let's give them a real taste of equality.

[FakeName123]

Yes please. I want to see the butthurt and cognitive dissonance of those people who keep saying "hurr durr, transpeople are their imagined gender and not their biological one". I want to see trannies crush the women in the field and enjoy the show when the nutcases who normalise this mental illness try to justify it.

[0112358]

Whatever rules in place will have to cover intersex athletes as well.

Some combination of physical factors quite likely including hormone levels is likely going to be used.

[Belgie]

They should not. There are physical differences that far exceed any advantage that would be conferred by illegal drugs.

[FalconSlayer]

Yeah, I think it's really messed up for transgenders to participate in women's sports. I've seen some horrible stories of transgender women participating in women's boxing, and some girls have been mauled by those people. Disgusting.

[LogicBomber]

Yes. 100%
Feminist wanted "equality" now they have it and it shows them what equal means.
It's great to see feminist retardation blow up in their own face.

"WOmYn aRe EqUaLL 2 mEn!" (but only when it benefits women)

[CRCGLP]

If the govt accept the transformation, and state it on the ID... give me a reason why they are not allowed...
on the note that men run run faster than women... shd we as women not stand up and prove men wrong...
life is never fair.. but sometimes it is not wise to despise and judge just bcoz we cannot achieve our goals.. are you saying that without the trans... you can get that medal?
remember... there is always ways to achieve our goals... be a survivor!!

[TripleAce]

As of right now, I say no they can't compete until we get a system to actually determine if its fair or not

[es20490446e]

The goal of separating male from female athletes is the difference of strength of each gender.

So transgenders should compete on their original gender category.

[OrangeBoy2]

I'm not sure, but I think they are still stronger and more resistant than woman, even after full transitions. If so, that's unfair.

A relevant question is... where should they compete?

[morimeme1]

Nope, a male who is doing poorly in male sports will still be better at it than those who are at the top of female sports rankings. That's just the truth and it makes it highly unfair.

[Intraluminal]

Well, our recent laws consider them to be women. So legally i don't see any choice. Of course they should be allowed to compete.

[MostPaloney23]

I normally am for trans being treated normally but no that's unfair to women already in the sport

[ClearCyan]

No. Physically they are still going to outperform the vast majority of real women. There's a reason sports are separated by sex.

[Prof_Don]

No, because they have male DNA... which makes it unfair to compete against natural-born women.

The integrity of competition would be ruined.

[Anonymous]

No.

If you're born a biological male, even if you transition/get plastic surgery done to look female, you're still gonna have more testosterone, a different build, more muscle mass, etc, than the average biological woman. It's not fair.

[Jersey2]

No they shouldn’t because they are men and men are stronger, it’s simple. I feel bad for the women who dedicate themselves to a sport to have a man come and beat them.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Were told that they are actually women, if they believe that then how could we bar them from competition? if they are just mentally ill men then no, they shouldn't be allowed to compete

[Thatswhyimhere]

Regardless of what society says a biological man is still a man. Biological woman is still a woman. So they should not compete in traditional short as a regular man or woman. If they create a trans category for those suffering from the illness that fine. A man dressed like a woman should not compete with biological women. That is insane.

[JosyJosy]

I know they want to be treated as a woman and all, sure. But in competition they will always have an edge over their bio female opponent, which isn't right so NOPE

[Vicky-Leeanne]

depends on the type of sport and how long she has been on treatment for, some sports at a competitive level will allow an unbalanced unfair advantage but i would say those are primarily relating to weight lifting due to the difference in bone density.

[animelover14]

If trans women have undergone HRT for some time and their testosterone levels are equivalent to that of a biological woman's then they can be allowed to compete. If not, then no.

[Cmcelts15]

No, these dumb ass liberals believe in science and evolution so part of evolution is genetics and men are typically stronger and more athletic in some areas and vice versa

[HereIbe]

They're not actually women, so no--unless they can PROVE biologically that there is NO, ABSOLUTELY NO residual effect of male levels of testosterone on their performance.

[dancing_in_nebulas]

No.

Its a biological disadvantage.

They should have their own league entirely.

[bryceb]

Trans women should play with the men. Sports should make it clear that separation of birth gender is not about any gender characteristics other than abilities. It's a fact that birth gender determines abilities.

[Ljd213]

For comedic/fun reasons yes, but for competition no. It's hella funny seeing these types of news knowing that it exists.