Should trans women be allowed to compete against women in sporting/Olymics events?

[Lliam]

Absolutely, positively NOT!

I even oppose a "Trans Olympics" unless it's unofficial. Would that be like Special Olympics or something? How many people would compete and how much public interest would there be?

I would see nothing at all wrong with opening men's competitions to trans and even women. Because of sexual dimorphism men are typically bigger, stronger and faster. So if a woman (or trans) could qualify for men's sports I would be in favor. What would be wrong with allowing women to play men's baseball, for example, if they were good enough. It should be about whether or not they are good enough, not their gender.

But, for obvious reasons, it doesn't work the same way when it comes to men competing in women's sports. Because of sexual dimorphism, men would have an unfair advantage. And so would former men.

[Craftsman]

No matter what the mind may say, the physiological structures and genetics give trans-women a usually a decided edge over genetic women in the areas of physical strength, endurance, and size. For that reason I would be on the side of excluding trans-women from participating in women's athletics.
On the other hand, the physiologic and physical changes hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery cause changes away from the traditional male efficiency and physiognomy, so trans-women do not belong in men's athletics either.
The only logical and reasonable solution is to have athletics for trans-women limited to trans-woman participation.
The same could be applied for trans-men's participation in athletics.

[randomhobo]

Hormones makes us weaker and the Olympic committee agrees that there is no discernible advantage for us after 1 year of hrt. I imagine someone will strawman up a randy savage style example where someone identifies but has not got their levels in balance but once medicated properly-muscles atrophy and depending on age your bones reshape a little. Which fucking hurts by the way.

I've had numerous bfs and gfs. I've never won a wrestling match with any of them and i used to compete in sports at a decent level when younger. I get my arse destroyed everytime i try.

So if properly medicated and addressed to have no advantage than yes.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

Where should we put Bruce "Caitlyn" Jenner then if he/she/it decides that he/she/it wants to compete in sporting events again?

[genericname85]

absolutely fucking not. this is not a question of political correctness and sexual preference. this is a question of physical setup. and compared to women, men are testosterone machines optimized for strenth, speed and coordination. you could barely dope a woman to the point where she performs like an average man... even world class female sportlers are only as good as regional class men at best.

so being a man with gender disphoria competing in female sports is nothing less but cheating.

[Doody22]

Men and women's sports are kept separate for a reason. Having these trans athletes entering women's events makes a complete mockery of women's sports and athletes, Why would any young girl get in to sports like athletics when they are never going to win anything. Even with hormone replacement therapy a mans body is just built to be stronger. I understand that a having specific events for trans people will be difficult as you would be hard pushed to find enough of them, but you could introduce a handicap system like they have in horse racing to even up the advantage.

[420Rachel]

Transwomen are biologically male therefore they have a biological advantage over natural born females. Even if they take hormones they still have more physical strength than a natural born woman so they do have an unfair advantage. I respect trans people and other LGBT people and the struggles they face but this is one aspect I just can't get on board with.

[immure]

It was not an easy answer. We are seeing this transformation occur more frequently than in any other time in history. But it comes down to genetics. At the genetic level still a man. Because transformation tends to occur after the age of 18 when they have already started and possibly passed puburty, muscle size and strength will be more than natural woman as result of testosterone increase. An unfair advantage

[Konabeana]

One can be considered transgender without taking progressive hormones that change their physical strength and appearance. If they identify themselves as transgender but do not take any hormones, then I think it is fair game when they are competing with other women

[Miristheiss]

You must not support womens right and equality and title 9 if you support a 100% man taking hormones and choosing to live as a woman and kick the shit out of natural in their sports.
People have lost common sense and justice if they think that is just to women.
Lunacy

[Reaperbot666]

really depends on when in there lives they opted to start / go trans and when they finished / stop with current form.

"most guys" have an easier time building muscle mass during or after puberty. due to high levels of testosterone and other hormones. so even if they opt to go trans later on they could still have an unfair advantage over natural born females.

[MrMilti]

Let them compete against each other based on their level of testosterone in separate leages.

Or if possible, let them compete in the same league, but give them penalties for their testosterone, like there are penalties for level of disablement in the paralympics.

Thats the only way, to remove the debate about "identity", which is subjective and not backed by any measurable values.

[SirRexington]

Only if the other female competitors agree to it and are aware of the trans individuals competing.

But they really should be put up against the men first and then given their own category. Like the special Olympics, only for trans people. We all know how special they are.

[Meropatrick]

Heck if i transition to be a woman and join athletics i would be just running in the field knocking off broads left and right in a vollyball game😂😂you would have a lot of female athletes in ER after that match, from the opponents team and from my team. The match will be a draw due to injuries on both sides from my balls hitting them

[tartaarsaus]

Depends on their testosterone levels. I’m not a fan of arbitrarily limiting all those options, but I’d much rather give a range of testosterone values where one is allowed to participate with women.

So hypothetically, if those transwomen can take antiandrogens to such an extent that they fall within a reasonable range of testosterone for natural women (of course, taking in account outliers there as wel), I’d be perfectly fine with it.

If they fall outside that range, nah they can’t compete against women.

[OlderAndWiser]

You never hear about female→male transgenders wanting to compete against men in sports. Know why? They can't compete. Surgery did not turn them into men; they are still women. Male →female transgenders are still males and should not be competing against real females. . . and no amount of PC brainwashing changes that result for any rational person.

[Dchrls78104]

No. They are not women and have no business in women's sports or anything else pertaining to women. They are dragging down both genders and women's sports. They should be compelled to do the right things and stick to what pertains to their own gender.

[Lukman99]

I don't know why this is even a question. Since the beginning of sports women and men did not compete together since people knew it would be unfair for women since men are bilogical stronger and taller. when you become transgender you dont lose height or streght. Even if you inject estrogen it won't affect your frame and it barly changes strength.

[BeingSingleBlows]

You can't change genders. They need to compete with men.

If I can change facts based on how I'd feel... I'd spray paint normal stones gold and try to sell it equivalent to what gold would sell for given the same size gold nugget. That's the same concept. Its still the same worthless rock like they are still men.

[DiscomfortZone]

Should a guy be allowed to compete against girls? No, wouldn't be fair (yes, biologically she's still a male and nobody is going to allow trans only events, so go fuck yourself and kill yourself if you thought that was "transphobic" you pathetic little germ).

[Dolemite510]

If someone actually has a disorder that they are intergender like kleinfelters disease or hermaphroditism I think it’s reasonable if they’re more close to a woman but if a grown man chops his dick off puts on a wig and make up some n and starts dominating women at a sport that’s just so unfair, wrong and shouldn’t be allowed. That mma fighter Fallon fox literally cracked a girls skull from just man handling her 🤦‍♂️

[esotericstory]

No, they should be excluded from society just like the eunuchs from ancient times. During christianity's rule eunuchs no longer existed, as a result, the christian priests took that position, vowing celibacy for life, now that christianity's power has waned, the lgbt movement takes the position of eunuchs in society.

[Joe_Barbaro]

"trans" people in general shouldn't even be allowed to walk the streets freely, let alone compete with the opposite gender somewhere. plus, we separated men and women in pretty much all types of sport, thats not a coincidence, there are reasons for it and it should stay that way

[PrimalInstinct]

Unless a trans "woman" begins hormone treatment at 10 or younger they develop testosterone which gives them an automatic unfair advantage.

They want equality then they can start their own events.