How much weaker? Percentage wise based on performance.
Still got a bigger heart, bigger lungs as stronger muscles. Sorry. Not a woman
30% muscle atrophy is the usual amount to lose. Also i was born intersex so even if you don't think I'm a women i am biologically neither and my lungs and heart are very much feminine due to a fucked up prenatal development
Yes. That's what I mean. He beat the guys!
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So males who have made no effort to change their behaviour or body chemistry any thing like that can compete against women as long as they say they are women?
@Konabeana how about boxing? Wrestling? Weight lifting?
@Konabeana - you haven't gotten to human biology in school, have you? This would mean that "trans women" who are physically men would by and large be winners. Cheats in essence.
@AllThatSweetJazz The question is referring to women that identify as trans and compete against other women. Men who identify as trans can decide to take the hormones (Such as estrogen) which will allow them to develop the desired feminine features; however, if they do chose to take the hormones and DO develop feminine characteristics, it would not be fair to let them compete against the men that are naturally developing hormones such as testosterone. I’m not saying that trans people should compete, but I sort of am when the level of fairness is questioned. And no I am not saying that trans men should compete with women—doesn’t meet that level of fairness.
@jspl90 What about it?
A “transwoman” refers to a male that transitions to female.
@PrimalInstinct I have taken biology, and I’ve learned quite a lot about hormones and the human developmental process. Trans women could never “physically” be men, and trans men could never “physically” be women. I think you are a bit confused, I am saying that trans women will by science win in all-women sports
@Konabeana - no, darling, you're the confused one. Your "I think it is fair game" in relation to trans not taking hormones means more or less you're fine with transwomen competing in the sport & winning. Cheating in essence. ... As for they won't be men or women, a transwoman with developed testosterone is automatically stronger & in women sports that makes him (/her) a cheat. No different than a biology woman taking performance-enhancing drugs which in Olympic events is illegal.
@PrimalInstinct I'm pretty sure she thinking of *females* who want to transition toward being a man but have made no change to their body whatsoever. That would be fair would it not?
@AllThatSweetJazz No because unless they start hormones early they're going to be weaker than men. Seriously. Transgenders should have their own events. It'd be fairer to them & everyone else.
@PrimalInstinct You don't think it's fair that females who have taken no hormones to compete against other females?
@AllThatSweetJazz I don't think trans, period, should compete against non-trans people due to fairness. Female vs female / male vs male isn't trans.
@Konabeana so you would fine competing against a former man in a physical match? bjj-world.com/.../
@PrimalInstinct But the premise of this this commenter was was that a person identifies as trans but aren't changing their bodies.Also, transmen are still female, so you need to be clearer when you say female vs female isn't trans.
@AllThatSweetJazz Genetically transmen are female but they take hormones to develop male traits so physically *no* they are not females. Just as how genetically transwomen are male but take hormones to develop female traits so physically *no* they are not males. That's why trans should have their own events. They insist they are not the genetic sex they are born as but the opposite sex & they take steps to acquire the desired sex. So is it unfair to have them compete against their biological sex that they refuse to acknowledge themselves as.
* So is it unfair to have them compete against their biological sex that they refuse to acknowledge themselves as. Just as how it is unfair to have them compete against the sex that they acknowledge themselves as because either they are stronger or they are weaker than the biological sexes.
@PrimalInstinct To clarify, genetics are the only thing that makes someone female or male, so that never changes. Saying they are “physically female” is not quite right, most people understand what you mean but to be absolutely specific about what we mean we would say they have feminine secondary sex characteristics or that they have a feminine phenotype.Again, the premise for this commenter was a transman that has taken nothing. Are you saying they’re not trans unless they’ve done something to change their phenotype?On the point about trans events, it’s never going to be relevant. Compared to a chance to compete in proper sporting events where they could be named the best in the world, no one cares to watch sport from this tiny sliver of the population that are considered too weird to compete with others. Either they’re going to compete in men’s sports or not at all, in my opinion.
@AllThatSweetJazz *sigh* if someone doesn't take hormones then they're not legitimate transgenders. They're lesbians or tomboys or for a guy a drag queen that feels special about themselves. Nothing more, nothing less. The dub trans has changed to include these 'feel special' ones (and fluid genders, etc.) but the proper medical scientific meaning of transgender means someone who is undergoing hormonal replacement to assume the desired gender. I don't give a shit for anything else.
@PrimalInstinct The "proper medical scientific meaning" is people who identify as another gender, not someone taking hormones.Someone taking hormones is called 'someone taking hormones.'
@AllThatSweetJazz No. It isn't someone taking hormones. Take it from someone who works in the medical field. They're called legitimate transgenders.
@PrimalInstinct So they're called "legitimate transgenders" and that is anyone taking hormones?
@PrimalInstinct I think you are referring to gender dysmorphia where the person physically feels the opposite sex. Transgender means someone whose gender and identity does not correspond with their birth sex. I am not referring to “legitimate transgenders”, I am referring to transgender people. People that feel like they emotionally and physically identify with the opposite gender. You can never change a persons’ birth sex but they can identify as another gender.
Same. Sorry. Women's sports is already so under-appreciated and underfunded. It's so sad to see cis-girls pushed out of sports like this. I'm all for trans women (and men) finding enjoyment in sports and wanting to be competitive, but I just don't think it's fair when they have such a clear biological advantage.
@lumos same. I think the whole thing is all kinds of disgusting.
I don't think trans people are gross but they do need to realize they have a physical advantage over biological women by being born Male. I have nothing against trans people, I have a few trans friends and they're nice people. My friends also do agree with me that transwomen competing in women's sports isn't fair.
No absolutely notThough women have been forcing their way into what used to be male dominated sports so I guess turnabout is fair play
I agree that it would be unfair but, wow! You feeling a bit psychotic lately?
Sick and tired of the sjw filth here checking every word, reporting to the pedophile-advocating piece of shit admins here, who then delete my comments because facts are offensive. So I make sure to give them a piece of mind in advance.
Show this study because there have been studies to prove otherwise. https://youtu.be/Y1Fkld9PPO4
So if bolt goes on one year HRT treatment, he'll lose all his advantage as a man and be able to complete with women?
@Hyper2 As a man, their are other factors with training and it still comes down to individual ability.
Can Bolt compete with women if he goes on HRT treatment for a year or not? Where is this research and how many athletes were studied? Simple questions.
Sorry but that's false. One year of HRT definitely does not "remove any form of competitive edge they had from being born with a penis". It's not the penis that gives them the edge, it's the testosterone. And the testosterone has permanent effects on a man's body, even if he does decide to identify as a woman and undergo treatment."Transgender women’s performances generally decline as their testosterone does. But not every male advantage dissipates when testosterone drops. Some advantages, such as their bigger bone structure, greater lung capacity, and larger heart size remain, says Alison Heather, a physiologist at the University of Otago in New Zealand. Testosterone also promotes muscle memory—an ability to regain muscle mass after a period of detraining—by increasing the number of nuclei in muscles, and these added nuclei don’t go away. So transgender women have a heightened ability to build strength even after they transition, Heather says."It's not discrimination, is literal science. There's a reason why there are separate categories for men and women. I, as a 25 year old woman, also can't compete against 10 year old girls, because I obviously have a massive physical advantage since I'm a grown ass woman. Even though I'd also be competing against girls.
athletic results indicate this 'research' is an academic falsehood and an intellectual travesty.
Research by what biased piece of shit?
@Amur8711 I love louder with crowder 🤣 his Bernie Sanders impersonation is amazing
Dial the crazy back sweetie.
Not Americans. That’s the media talking
You cannot say it's never true neither...When it comes to physical strength then yes, but if you say women aren't capable of being imdependent or building a society then it's plan sexist
Not according to society🤣
According to biology they are 😉