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You sure know a lot of about Pete Rose and baseball but did you ever see Kane in WWF hit Pete Rose with the Tombstone piledriver?
Oh hey! Can you do me a favor? Let the ItalianGuy whatever person know that he's stupid, and that he needs to read this? Blocking someone who disagrees with you means you're stupid. ↗
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Yeah fuck the Astros. They screwed my Dodgers. That's alright. When we play this year we'll smoke everybody.. again. With Mookie. The Nats beat us fair and square though.
Yeah, Mookie Betts is a good player, both hitting and in the outfield and can steal a lot of bases, which is a bonus. He doesn't strikeout that much as some others do with similar other stats either.
Oh he's a beast. We're stacked yet again. Clearly the best team in baseball on paper.
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!There are players in there that killed people, beat women, cheated on taxes, lied under oath, and cheated while they played to bolster their numbers. Should they be removed?
@888theGreat Mostly, yes. It doesn’t matter what you do in your personal life, that’s not what the Hall Of Fame is there for. I can understand arguments against steroid guys, but even then, I think you just need to look at baseball and be like “are we just not gonna induct anybody who played in the late 80s to the late 90s?”
As far as the other stuff, like I said... not a Hall Of Fame for Ethics, Morality, Human Decency. To turn to football... OJ Simpson, Hall Of Famer, and should be. They’ll never do it, but serial rapin’ ass Darren Sharper should be in there too. In a case like his, maybe you don’t bring him in for a whole speech since his off-the-field actions were so heinous, but you can’t just pretend a person didn’t exist in the game just because you disagree with their actions.
MLB Rule 21 (d)(2) enacted 1927, before Pete Rose was born:
(d) GAMBLING.
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
@Cryptic-Game Pete Rose would probably take that bet.
I totally made myself laugh. I regret nothing.
"He bet on himself to win, it's not the same as betting against yourself and then losing on purpose."
Except it sort of is, unless he bet on every single Reds game, which he did not. When he didn't bet it signaled that he expected to lose.
Even if you disagree, Rule 21 is specific and a lifetime ban is the penalty for what Rose did.
Except the bookies knew and could used the knowledge to place their own bets elsewhere. But it is all irrelevant, Rule 21 (d)(2) specifically calls for a permanent ban for what Rose admitted to doing. Case closed.
@Liam_Hayden I only wish we could have any faith that the rules are enforced equally in all circumstances. As opposed to being selectively enforced by people who hold everyone accountable except for themselves and their friends.
So part of the Hall of Fame should include integrity of the game and not just how you performed the game?
Of course. Think about the society we live in. They tell you don't judge but judge anyway. Judge other people, but don't like receiving the same judgment or don't even bother to judge themselves just as harshly. I find it sad that it happened to him. But if he as an adult knew the rules and what was wrong, then by the rules, they had the right to take the appropriate action. Anybodies career at that point should uphold the integrity and should be told what is expected of them.
Yes. That's true. It still won't change his numbers or stats he produced. They still count in the record books,
Well in companies like that, they use anyone. That's what makes it so sad. He is a talented player. But I believe that they would have done it to him either way because of who he is.
I know what you said about the record books. But what I am saying is that in the end, they see him as not only a piece of history but that he is history with his career. That is how every industry basically sees you.
Yes. They still acknowledge his stats as worthy but don't see him as a Hall of Famer due to his off the field issues and he spent 5 months in prison for tax evasion back in 1990.
@ Cryptic-Game If integrity were not part of it Shoeless Joe would have been part of the Hall's inaugural class.
MLB Rule 21 (d)(2) enacted 1927, before Pete Rose was born:
(d) GAMBLING.
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
so two players bet $100 on will win the baseball game they are about to play, are they now not eligible to be in Hall of Fame?
@888theGreat That is a red herring, but technically under the rules, yes. Still the Commissioner would have discretion and it might not be enforced in that particular instance because the spirit of the rule, enacted not long after the Black Sox Scandal nearly destroyed MLB, was to prevent even the appearance that bribes and bookies were influencing the outcome of games. While a player and manager he bet on games that he thought his team would win. Now follow this. Not on every game, only those he thought he would win. So when he did NOT bet, that of course signaled those observing him that he expected to lose. This is the primary reason the Commissioner enforced it here. If he had bet on every single game for the Reds to win, he probably would have gotten a ten year ban, not a lifetime ban, or they would now consider reinstatement instead of ignoring it.
So even if they wanted to out him in, they would be violating the rules in doing so?
No, the Commissioner has almost Presidential powers in MLB and could basically "pardon" Rose and then the BBWAA or the Veterans Committee could vote him in.
It's also come out recently that Rose's betting was far more widespread in baseball than simply "him betting on himself to win".
How would he know about the cheating? Ryan was a special adviser to the Astros' owner, not involved in day to day operations.
@Liam_Hayden Feathers of same feather flock together. He should shut up now, and he did resign.
@888thegreat At least Vince McMahon did the right thing and put him in the WWE Hall of Fame lol.
Pete Rose coming out in the chicken outfit and getting tombstoned by Kane was like the greatest thing I remember him for lol.
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