A Non-lethal instant self defense technique from Isshinryu Karate. What do you think?

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This is an Isshinryu self defense technique for defense vs two attackers.

Attacker one leads with a right hook OR a right overhand haymaker. We high circle block this with open hand and control his arm, pinning his elbow under our own left elbow. Meanwhile we are blocking any hook punches that come from their left arm with our own right, and we throw a few Palm Heel strikes to the nose here. (We are now inside his standing guard, and have front arm control). Keep attacker 1's body between yourself and attacker 2. To finish attacker 1 we gouge his eye (either one) with our middle finger and index finger reinforcing one another, and we grip the Orbital bone at the base of the eye. This is one of the weakest bones in the human anatomy. Our thumb is used to penetrate deep under the Jaw, and we squeeze the two fingers and thumb together with all of our might. This breaks the orbital bone and dislocates the Jaw, and they are incapacitated. This can be done in about 2 seconds flat with practice.

This is why Sports is Sports and Street Fighting is Street fighting. IN a street fight, I can MAIM my attackers with non-lethal force and beat anybody in 10 seconds or less.

In Jiujitsu and MMA, those moves are banned so Sports is not Valid Self Defense.

In terms of self defense, a woman needs to learn as many dirty moves as humanly possible which must work while standing up, so she has a chance against two men attacking her (Gang Rape, and yes, Isshinryu women have successfully defeated two male attackers and lived to tell about it).

First option of run away.
Second is stand and fight, but fight dirty: Eye gouges, groin kicks, knee kicks, etc, break a bone or two if necessary. Grappling on the Ground doesn't do this against two people, because second person clubs you in the back of the head, and again that's my only gripe with Jiujitsu is the moves wouldn't actually help much in a real street fight.

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Keep in mind there's a certain context here. For women's self defense, when a purple belt woman throws a palm-heel to the nose, it will break a man's nose. When a Brown belt woman throws the same strike, it can potentially kill a man. It's an upward thrust with the heel of the palm at a 45 degree upward angle, and can potentially send bone fragments into the assailants brain.

This is not WWE, you don't get back up from correctly executed Karate strikes to vital targets.

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Like I don't even know why they allow Palm Heel strikes in the UFC, I could kill someone in 5oz globs with a palm heel strike, as the glove has no padding palm side, and the tape would only make that easier for reinforcing the wrist. I'm a 3rd degree Brown Belt in a striking style, so cracking someone's nose and sending them to an ambulance with a 600-800 pound palm heel would be nothing.

Answer 1

Tyrael

Yoda

In a street fight? You catch that right hook, tuck it tightly under your left elbow and while you're going for their eyes, he's sticking a knife between your ribs using his free hand because you got far too close.

These techniques are all well and good in practice, but sport or no sport, fighting in the street is downright unpredictable and should be avoided at all costs.

I agree being trained to defend yourself is a worthwhile endeavour, but I think it's less about what martial art you learn, and more about the physical fitness and self awareness that comes from it that will make the difference. The difference being you'll know when you're in a dangerous situation and you'll have the good sense and the stamina to run from it.

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Wade8888

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Nobody actually draws a knife any more, and even if they did, i"ve been trained to disarm them by an Escrima Grandmaster.

gun shots are more common than knife wounds in the U. S.
Tyrael

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Like I said, you can do all the training you want but that doesn't mean the reality will work out in your favour.

Where I live you're absolutely going to get knives drawn in a street fight. And even in the US, if you can't afford a gun, I don't see why you wouldn't pull a knife in a street fight if you had one. Saying nobody carries knives is just naive honestly.
Wade8888

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I'm trained in disarming knives and guns. We have video evidence of Isshinryu fighters disarming police officers faster than they could squeeze their trigger fingers, so we know it's doable.

About half of the weapons trainign we did in Isshinryu was disarming enemy knife and gun fighters, of which I am very, very good at doing it and used to disarm two black belts attacking me with Escrima sticks (Practice Swords) If they hit me, I lose. I was fast as lighting back then, and don't recommend anyone do that without full time training in disarming weapons Anyway, we have video evidence of my instructors Mark Myers and Arcenio Advincula disarming the Hammond City Police officers in a demonstration faster than they could squeeze the trigger on their pistols..
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Wade8888

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I know where Sherry Myers works, but I'm not going to go harass her about this, but the next time I see her I might ask her about the videos of her husband and Master Advincula disarming guns vs the police. They retired and have their number unlisted, probably because they don't want to be harassed about stuff like this, but you know, I'm not lying. Why would I lie about this anyway?
Wade8888

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No no no, realistically, the combination workds like this:

circle block-palm-heel-sweep the leg all in one motion, then block any incoming attack with the other hand, then counter-attack again to the eye and apply the pressure point, dislocating the jaw.

The guy will h ave a hard time drawing a knife since he'll be blinded by tears from a broken nose at the very least, and picking himself off the ground with one less eye a second later.

It's not "Circle Block..." then... counter...

it's block-counter in one motion blBAM his nose is broken, his leg is swept, and he's in an arm bar, and I finish with the eye gouge and rip his jaw loose, then I throw his body into the second attacker.
Wade8888

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In Isshinryu, we don't just practice combinations, we practice "combined striking" and "simultaneous striking", in addition, every block can be a strike and every strike can be a block.

So my first block and my palm heel happen SIMULTANEOUSLY, SO by the time the attacker realizews he's been blocked, his nose is already broken... and I'm already half-way through the next strike, which is the eye gouge.
Wade8888

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We know from real miolitary engagements and from police reports and coroner's reports what happens when a woman of each belt degree defends herself.

We've had blue belt women KILL two male attackers before.

We know what happens when a purple belt woman palm-heels a man in self defense, because it's happened before, and we know when a brown belt palm heels' it kills the man, because that's happened before.

Understand? This is WHAT WE KNOW BASED ON EXPERIENCE.

We teach Palm heels as "distracting strikes" to white belts, because they don't have the mechanics to throw a 600 pound palm heel yet, but it becomes "nearly deadly" by purple belt and "deadly" by brown belt.
Wade8888

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We know the results when a blue belt blocks a hook punch using a double chop block, the attacker's arm is broken in two locations. When a man uses a double chop block, the attacker's arm is broken in 3 locations and their shoulder is dislocated... and it's not even banned in the UFC, they just don't practice that because they've never thought of it. They're too interested in wrestling.
Tyrael

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Right. Again, none of this will apply in all circumstances and not every strike is guaranteed to land with full force. So you can postulate all you want on what *could* happen or *should* happen, but you've no idea who you're up against or what experience they may have so the outcome remains unclear.

Answer 2

Wade8888

Nobody actually draws a knife any more, and even if they did, i"ve been trained to disarm them by an Escrima Grandmaster.

gun shots are more common than knife wounds in the U. S.

Answer 3

Tyrael

Like I said, you can do all the training you want but that doesn't mean the reality will work out in your favour.

Where I live you're absolutely going to get knives drawn in a street fight. And even in the US, if you can't afford a gun, I don't see why you wouldn't pull a knife in a street fight if you had one. Saying nobody carries knives is just naive honestly.

Answer 4

Wade8888

I'm trained in disarming knives and guns. We have video evidence of Isshinryu fighters disarming police officers faster than they could squeeze their trigger fingers, so we know it's doable.

About half of the weapons trainign we did in Isshinryu was disarming enemy knife and gun fighters, of which I am very, very good at doing it and used to disarm two black belts attacking me with Escrima sticks (Practice Swords) If they hit me, I lose. I was fast as lighting back then, and don't recommend anyone do that without full time training in disarming weapons Anyway, we have video evidence of my instructors Mark Myers and Arcenio Advincula disarming the Hammond City Police officers in a demonstration faster than they could squeeze the trigger on their pistols..

Answer 5

Wade8888

I know where Sherry Myers works, but I'm not going to go harass her about this, but the next time I see her I might ask her about the videos of her husband and Master Advincula disarming guns vs the police. They retired and have their number unlisted, probably because they don't want to be harassed about stuff like this, but you know, I'm not lying. Why would I lie about this anyway?

Answer 6

Wade8888

No no no, realistically, the combination workds like this:

circle block-palm-heel-sweep the leg all in one motion, then block any incoming attack with the other hand, then counter-attack again to the eye and apply the pressure point, dislocating the jaw.

The guy will h ave a hard time drawing a knife since he'll be blinded by tears from a broken nose at the very least, and picking himself off the ground with one less eye a second later.

It's not "Circle Block..." then... counter...

it's block-counter in one motion blBAM his nose is broken, his leg is swept, and he's in an arm bar, and I finish with the eye gouge and rip his jaw loose, then I throw his body into the second attacker.

Answer 7

Wade8888

In Isshinryu, we don't just practice combinations, we practice "combined striking" and "simultaneous striking", in addition, every block can be a strike and every strike can be a block.

So my first block and my palm heel happen SIMULTANEOUSLY, SO by the time the attacker realizews he's been blocked, his nose is already broken... and I'm already half-way through the next strike, which is the eye gouge.

Answer 8

Wade8888

We know from real miolitary engagements and from police reports and coroner's reports what happens when a woman of each belt degree defends herself.

We've had blue belt women KILL two male attackers before.

We know what happens when a purple belt woman palm-heels a man in self defense, because it's happened before, and we know when a brown belt palm heels' it kills the man, because that's happened before.

Understand? This is WHAT WE KNOW BASED ON EXPERIENCE.

We teach Palm heels as "distracting strikes" to white belts, because they don't have the mechanics to throw a 600 pound palm heel yet, but it becomes "nearly deadly" by purple belt and "deadly" by brown belt.

Answer 9

Wade8888

We know the results when a blue belt blocks a hook punch using a double chop block, the attacker's arm is broken in two locations. When a man uses a double chop block, the attacker's arm is broken in 3 locations and their shoulder is dislocated... and it's not even banned in the UFC, they just don't practice that because they've never thought of it. They're too interested in wrestling.

Answer 10

Tyrael

Right. Again, none of this will apply in all circumstances and not every strike is guaranteed to land with full force. So you can postulate all you want on what *could* happen or *should* happen, but you've no idea who you're up against or what experience they may have so the outcome remains unclear.

A Non-lethal instant self defense technique from Isshinryu Karate. What do you think?

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