Do you agree or disagree with this categorisation of European capitals as interesting to visitors? Tier 1 being best, Tier 3 being worst etc?

Do you agree or disagree with this categorisation of European capitals as interesting to visitors? Tier 1 being best, Tier 3 being worst etc?


NB - microstates are excluded

Tier 1


Edinburgh, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Riga, Vilnius, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Amsterdam, Luxembourg, Paris, Lisbon, Rome, Sarajevo, Valletta, Kiev

Tier 2

Belfast, Dublin, Oslo, Helsinki, Tallinn, Minsk, Nicosia, Sofia, Belgrade, Zagreb, Ljubljana

Tier 3

Brussels, Cardiff, Bratislava

Hard to classify

London, Madrid, Warsaw, Athens

Unvisited

Berlin, Bucharest, Cetinje, Skopje, Moscow, Tirana, Chisinau

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  • As someone who lives in Bratislava, I can certainly agree on that one.
    But I personally find Athens more interesting than places such as Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Warsaw and the like.

    As someone who grew up in that kind of Slavo-Germanic central European culture, it comes across as quite boring to me.
    Unless you have very high tolerance for old town buildings, you are probably going to find it very samey.

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  • Why is Athens hard to classify?

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    • I think because it combines some of the treasures of civilisation, with some of the worst pollution, congestion and unplanned urban sprawl in Europe. The ancient stuff is incredible, and the rest is incredible in a far less positive sense...

    • I've heard that Greece's infrastructure wasn't the best - mostly due to geography. Didn't know it was that bad.

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  • Absolutely not! If I had to get into detail as to why, I would be hear all day.
    The bozo that made this list doesn't know shit about tourism. And there are also a few missing and Cetinje isn't the capital of Montenegro, Podgorica is.

    What bozo made this list?

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  • This listing is totally wrong for the following reasons:

    1. First, you need to define best vs. worst. What are the criteria for such choices? Is it the cost of living, the touristic attraction, the medical facilities, the language spoken, the architecture or history?

    There are dozens upon dozens of factors that need to be taken into consideration in order to establish such a listing. And then, this listing is subjective because not everyone has the same interests.

    2. There are jewels among European capitals that are not visited as often as others simply because you cannot compare 1 million visitors in Paris against 10,000 in Belgrade for example. The volume of tourists is not relative to the interest of the place.

    3. People tend to visit those places where it is easier to communicate with locals but disregard other advantages such as accessibility or value for money.

    4. Switzerland, for example has been left out (Berne). It is not a microstate since other countries like Malta, Luxembourg, and most of the former Yugoslavian republics have been included.

    5. How can a place like Athens be in the "hard to classify" when Greece is the birthplace of democracy and one of the oldest civilizations in Europe. It is the place to visit "par excellence" as it is reachable by sea and by air. There is hardly a place more accessible than Athens. Life is cheap and value for money immense.

    This list needs definitely to be revised as it seems to be obsolete and the determining factors aleatory at best.

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    • Athens is expensive, and extremely poor value for money...

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    • OK, I think it is useless to continue to diverge on that issue. The Euro has been an issue all over Europe since it was implemented. In Germany they call it the Teuro, which is a combination of the words "Teuer" (expensive) and Euro.

      It was good debating with you. Have a great day!

    • And you - enjoy your day!

  • At first, I thought this was going to be some shocking classification the various European head of governments were going to agree to... Then I saw the "Unvisited" section.

    Why is London hard to classify? Football hooligans? High cost of living?

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  • Um what's interesting about Sarajevo, Vilnius and Riga? Are they more interesting than London and the history of the ancient world (Athens)?
    Odd classification, if you ask me

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    • London and Athens are both sprawling dirty megacities, with some undeniable gems within the mess.

      Lots is interesting about Sarajevo, Vilnius and Riga, though. They're also much smaller than either of the above, meaning it's easier for the visitor to get a feel for them, and see the sights in a short visit.

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    • @ThisDudeHere I was hoping you would come along, and burst that particular balloon.

      I'd go further and say that Riga's crime rate has NEVER been higher than London's. Ever.

    • I'd wager that it likely was during WW2 tho I'm just guessing.

      That and I've never been mugged here. Like, I've ''heard'' it happens to people but somehow I've never had it happen. The worst that has happened to me was some Russian drunkard yelling in my face just a few days ago.

  • I don't like Amsterdam at all, but it lost all sense of it being special since I go there easily 5/6 times a year.

    I quite liked Warsaw (though Krakow > Warsaw) and Athens. I'd place them in tier 2. Oslo wasn't much special, but it was nice I guess.

    Prague, Budapest and Copenhagen are definitely great, so I'd agree with that, like with Paris and Rome. Vienna is awesome too.

    An Albanian friend of mine doesn't like Tirana, so I'll go with her opinion and place it low.

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    • From a foreigner's perspective, I think Amsterdam is quite pretty, and has a lot to see and do, provided that you know to avoid the red light district, the drugs scene etc (although I concede that is the main reason why some people go there), but I get why a lot of Dutch people don't like it.

      I also like Warsaw, but I think that's partly because I know it quite well. I think it's quite underappreciated, actually.

    • Yeah, I'd say that Amsterdam is pretty in itself. There's a lot to see, such as all the historical things, and I do prefer to avoid the red light district and drugs. But when you go there so often it just loses its beauty. Then what you have left is terrible parking, lots of tourists, drugs and some other bad things.

      Ah, I've been in Warsaw like 7 years ago. I just can recall it was nice but that Krakow was nicer. I'd like to go again though

  • I've been to at least half of your cities. I will speak especially for Tallinn as I have lived there. The Old town is second to none, a world heritage site. There is a night life and music and beautiful people and good drinks. The winters and Christmas time is like a holiday fairytale. Summers are better-sailing on the Baltic is wonderful.

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  • I only know that these :Prague Budapest Vienna Amsterdam Paris London Rome Athens Moscow Madrid Lisbon are THE CLASSICS. Means classical value and cities that people always wanted to visit and see and considered top to visit if you come to Europe. So I would put these at tier 1. Then I would visit cities at wealthy countries like Brussels Luxembourg cities at Switzerland Oslo Copenhagen and finally i would go to everywhere else

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  • I have visited the cities from all of your categories and they're all special in their own way. I think it really depends on the traveller, every city offers something different. Moscow is full of tourists and I would go back there again and again.

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  • London is the greatest city in the world, how can you not classify it?

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    • Because it's not ☹️

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    • Friendly? Which part of London are you going too, they're always rude!

    • Having been to NYC and Paris in the year, as much as i've enjoyed them what struck me was how London offers everything they do and more. (But maybe i'm biased as i work and socialise in London)

  • Oslo is a really nice city to live in, if you can afford it (which isn't a problem if you have a decent job there). Other than that I agree. Maybe except for Amsterdam, it's too large for its own good it seems to me.
    Bratislava's (Pressburg's) main virtue is its proximity to Vienna tbh

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  • Is this based on statistical data, or a few people?

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  • London is nice but there are just way too many cunts there

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    • Harsh, but fair. I agree with you about the cunts, but I don't know if I'd describe the city as nice? It has its nice parts, certainly, but there's also so much shite there...

    • The only area I visited was around the British Museum

    • Yeah, that part is nice.

  • Moscow is definitely not unvisited but besides that I agree lol. Maybe a little too many Tier 1s.

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    • Except for Edinburgh, no one cares about that one.

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    • It's a hugely popular tourist destination. Massive, in fact.

    • Not massive enough to leave London at "hard to classify" as if tourists found Edinburgh more interesting than London.

  • Athens is beautiful city if you know where go. Also even not a capitol Barcelona is beautiful.

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    • The ancient monuments around Plaka are spectacular, but after that, where would you recommend? Kolonaki is a place where Greeks go to see and be seen, but it's not really all that inspirational?

    • Not sure but I go to a Greek Island. Plus meet local go around with a local.

    • The islands are very different, and I'd agree with you there. I know lots of locals in Athens, and I do like Plaka, but after that, it sort of peters out pretty quickly.

  • You wouldn't think it, especially not us Swedes ourselves due to our intrinsic modesty. But Stockholm really is top tier. One of the cleanest capitals of the world, rich in architectural beauty. Which we would have had much more of, but a surge of anti-traditional leftism swept across the city in the 80's and much was sadly demolished.

    We have one of the best welfare systems in existence and good prices all around, (some would say expensive because we're a rich nation).

    We've also been praised in environmental protection and nourishment. I think Stockholm won greenest city a few years back.

    And not to mention our great repute for gorgeous women everywhere. Which is true.

    However, how in the world are London, Madrid, Warsaw and Athens, "hard to classify", they're rather classics. Everyone loves to visit London.

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  • Have not been to London yet and I know it should be Tier 1.

    It would put Madrid into 1 too, but oh my god, the traffic.

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  • Not sure why Dublin isn’t on there. Only major city since been to other than Vancouver that I actually liked

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  • "Hard to classify" ? (O_o) .. I've been to London and to Warsaw and if I may be honest all European cities are shitholes when you compare them to NYC which I've also been to. They do have a lot more history though.

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  • I am ashamed of my capital "Oslo...

    I you're a visitor, go to Stavanger, Bergen, Tromsø og Trondheim.

    Don't travel to the country's stink hole...

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  • I’d basically put all the UK cities in ‘Shit Tier’
    Honestly if you’re wanting to travel, and thinking about the UK, don’t bother.

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  • I slightly disagree because I believe London and Athens should be in tier 1.

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  • No - not in the least.
    e. g London is a Tier 1 by any definition.
    Brussels is not a Tier 3 by any definition.

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    • Would you put Brussels as a Tier 9, then? ;)

    • Hey if you're too ignorant to know what's of interest in Brussels, that's your business. There's a reason the wealthy, the elite, and organisations like the EU and NATO are based there, and sure as hell isn't for the tax breaks.

    • I used to live and work in Brussels, and it has become a dump. Never have I seen a place go downhill so fast. They're based there because when they were set up it wasn't such a khazi, and because by putting HQs there, they weren't putting anybody's noses out of joint.

      But I'll bite - apart from the food, and I'll give you the food, and the Grand Place, what is there of merit in Brussels?

  • I think the point is to take from this is that capital cities aren't the best cities to visit in a country.

    They are the centre of the country , there is going to be lots of people and busy traffic. Which is no so nice for visitors.

    Take London for example, I'd put it top tier , it has tones to do and great sights to see. However it is a large metropolitan area which means it's can be hard to move around and the air quality it a bit under desirable.

    You'd be better off going to Dover really as it's has much more space and almost as many attractions as London.

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  • I disagree on nearly every single one of them. Rome for one while having lots of history it’s otherwise a absolute shithole so much corruption you have to be very careful when eating in restaurants as they overcharge you and you can’t argue cause you don’t speak the language. Brussels, London and Madrid are all brilliant cities. Having lived in Madrid its amazing and the people are lovely. London has so much to do it makes a great weekend it’s a huge city of course it’s going to be a bit grimey but if you do your research you’ll be fine. Dublin and Olso are both top cities. Having been both to Sarajevo and Kiev wouldn’t recomed either. But everyone has different tastes and reasons why they visit countries.

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  • London has to be tier 1. There's so much there.

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    • I'd agree with you, but it's counterbalanced by so many factors - dirty, difficult to get around etc.

  • London is life

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  • Berlin is very visited. So I don't agree with that

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  • I'm not well travelled enough to answer this.

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  • Disagree with a lot, but it's your list

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  • Never been to Europe

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  • I dont think Brussels is all that interesting.

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  • Whatever has the best economy

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