Not to mention Iraq was destroyed by the USA
This mans resume and integrity speaks for itself. His military records are solid. No NJP's or anything like that. As an E6 in the Marine Corps he was very decorated. Private military contracting companies don't just hire any loony who wants to slay bodies. They are extremely selective. These guys are top notch. Former SF/Navy Seals. Very caliber type of guys. He's not just some double-digit IQ'd man wreaking havoc with a rifle. These men are very intelligent and the utmost of integrity. They aren't naive 18-19 year old infantry men with egos. These are men who have been around the block a couple times. These men are people.. human beings.. not video game characters. They are just as human as those refugees. Hence, a very solid source of information.
Just as you might have a story with your parents being refugees, I have friends who have been killed by these same people we are talking about right now. I'm not trying to throw that on you by any means, my intent is not to gain sympathy here. My intent is saying that is to let you know that you're not the only one with a story. The difference is that I'm not allowing my story cloud my judgement. I have an open mind whilst you're completely discrediting our military's first hand experience. If you posted an article about a refugee, then my default wouldn't of been to be to completely discredit their word in convenience to my argument. I actually have an open mind despite what you might think. I have to ability to realize that a consensus is needed. All of this stuff is very real and happening. Homeland Security is very busy these days. people.com/.../
At my university I see nothing A LOT of radical Muslims who openly express hate towards our country, yet they are living here and still given every opportunity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t6C020XKLkThis is actually pretty common stuff Asha. It's easy to see the good in everyone but at what cost? The cost of losing American lives? That's where I draw the line. This stuff is happening and we can't just bury our heads in the sand and pretend everyone coming over is as noble as your family. Not everyone is like you and me. There are very fucked up people out there that will kill Americans if given the opportunity. As of right now, there is evidently too much heat. They are laughing at us. A temporary ban till we figure where the hell these people are coming from is more than justified considering what has already happened. We cannot keep allowing the enemy come into our country with open hands.
I don't need to personally know a refugee to read statistical data of American's being killed as a result of this. I don't need to have your personal experience to exercise rational thought in the same way a brain surgeon doesn't need to have a malignant brain tumor himself to operate on a patient who does. So let's not try and act like you're the only person who's word has value here. Let's stop the condescending "you don't know what you're talking about because you haven't been to the middle east and talked to these people first hand". You are stereotyping me as as some conservative with no empathy who gets all of his information on fox news. I'm not naive enough to think that every refuge is a bearded man looking to hurt Americans. Any rational person would realize that. By you having to tell me that evidently shows what I am saying has some truth in it.
You have a lot of empathy for these people. Which is a good trait to have. I'm not knocking that at all. Having said that, you would have much more solidity within your stance if you expressed some of that empathy for the innocent American lives that were lost as a result of this as well.
The people who combat the US Armed Forces in warzones, "terrorists" or whatever you want to call them, are *not* who we're talking about here. You are seeing a threat that you want to see, not one based off of facts. We aren't importing terrorism, because fun fact: most terror that happens in the US is committed by US citizens who happened to be inspired by ISIS propaganda like that magazine with the bomb instructions on the back. The whole "concern for American lives" would be an argument if a significant amount of American lives were ended at the hands of refugees from these 7 countries but guess what! They haven't! The biggest killer of Americans is Americans themselves, ethnicity aside. San Bernadino shooting was a US born killer, Pulse shooter was born in the US, Boston bomber was raised in frickin Massachusetts. And 9/11 that everyone loves to use to justify absolutely everything concerning treating Muslims poorly? 15 of them were from Saudia Arabia, a country not on the list.
You can post as many muslim women who have shifty responses to controversial questions as you want but it doesn't change the fact that it's not valid. It will never be valid. Somalis haven't had a fatal terrorist attack in the US... ever. Not one death at the hands of a Somali terrorist in this country. Yet we're deemed as threats? I'm honestly no different from any other person from these countries, I've met people who are from these countries, I speak arabic so I listen to their music and watch their movies and it's sickening to see people demonize them like this.You and he might have military experience but we aren't discussing soldiers here. We're discussing civilians who are at risk of stray bullets, who's lives have been torn apart by war and who want better for themselves and for their children.Shit like this makes me and other people feel very hated in the US. It's dehumanization at it's very finest.
How is condemning a terrorist organization a controversial issue?
First of all he's a retired Marine, not a "Navy guy", second of all He's not stationed in Iraq with the U. S. military, he's a military contactor, third of all being a former U. S. Marine myself "us men in Combat zones" are the only reason you sleep well at night because we're willing to do violence on your behalf to protect you from the same animals that said they would kill the man in the video. This (me) "closedminded bearded man with violent urges" (I just absolutely love killing terrorists, like Mattis said, THEY ARE FUN TO SHOOT) thinks if you want to bad mouth our military and Vets then you should move to your ancesterial homeland. I also regret to inform you people who have not immigrated yet to the U. S. do not have Constitutional rights, because they aren't citizens. We have every right to ban them from enterance from the U. S. and should. Lastly, when I think of friends that died defending this country and YOU it reminds me of what ungrateful turds you liberals are.
Amen, bro. Educate her.
Roughly 3000 Americans died at the hands of Islamic extreamists on 9/11/01. I DON'T GIVE A F*CK if the terrorists on 9/11 were refugees or not. 3000, is 3000 too many.Now be a good nieve liberal and reply and run your mouth and immediately block me so you can get in the last word like all cowards on here like to do.
@Thisperson98 It's a name game. Like a sibling sitting on you till you say uncle. Hamas kills people but to the average Palestinian in Gaza who supports them, they would argue that they have electricity (sometimes) due to Hamas, working hospitals and Hamas freed their friends or family from an Israeli jail. So ground level, they've gotten helped by Hamas and the evil ones to them are the Israeli government who occupies them.Another Palestinian and most Israelis might say that since Hamas kills people, it's bad and a terror group. But a ton also consider the Israeli government as the biggest terrorists, occupying the land of Palestinians.So what I'm saying is that nothing is as "cut-and-dry" as you or the man interviewing her believe. It's not as if everyone who supports Hamas is evil and supports terror. I know lots of people who support Israel and muslims consider *THEM* evil and terrorizing poor Palestinians.A very controversial issue, enough said.
@Exterminatore 9/11 was committed by 15 Saudia Arabians. Some egyptians. Neither countries are on "The List" so please get your triggered ass off of this informatiomal post. You all need to see the civilian refugee perspective, not imagine all refugees are some type of evil militant terrorists who want to bring hell to America.Most terror acts are committed by US born and bred citizens inspired by the ideology.
Nobody said they were. Read my post. I'm not interested in seeing anything from they're perspective, I'm interested in seeing things from a perspective that benifits America. I'm waving the BS flag on most terror acts committed in the U. S. are committed by those born in the U. S.
@Exterminatore That just proves you didn't read anything I wrote in the spirit of your closemindedness. Pulse shooter, San Bernadino Shooter, Boston bomber and more were committed acts by US citizens who grew up here.
Who were MUSLIMS. The issue isn't about refugees. It's not about people born in America. It's about how to stop us from being the victims of these animals. Who are we banning? Refugees? Not all only the ones who are Muslim. This is about Muslims.So what if those other turds were born here. It's irrevelant. The issue is this is an Islamic terror problem. We can't do anything about the ones born here, but can keep more from coming in. Thank God for Trump.
@Exterminatore @Exterminatore First you reference 9/11 and I tell you that Saudi Arabia is the culprit for that attack and they are not on the ban list. Then you say that terrorism is not committed by US born American citizens. Proved that wrong too. Now you're smearing the acts of a handful of muslims on more than a billion people who only share the same religion as these people that commit terror attacks.Your opinions are entirely based on irrationality. Saudi Arabia is not on the list. Egypt is not on the list. Sudan, Iran and Somalia are on the list and I can tell you with certainty that somalis haven't committed any fatal terror attacks in the US. So why the hell are you so afraid? You know who has legit reason to be afraid? People who live in these 7 countries, those who live in the warzone areas are running away from the very same thing you think *they* are.For their sake, I hope their countries become stable and this fuckery is behind us.
Honey, please. You were smart enough to come up with a bunch of BS on your initial post. Try to follow the conversation and pay attention to what I said.Saudi Arabia did not attack America on 9/11, so they are not the direct culprit (although it's been well established they funnel tuns of money to the PLO and Hamas), its Islamic terrorists that were the culprit. For the record I'm fully in favor of kicking the Saudis asses because they fund terror. Unfortunatly the oil men who are in bed with them will never let that happen sadly.I never said that terrorism is not committed by U. S. born persons. I said it's not about where their born, it's about that they're Muslims.Once again, read my post. I said not all Muslims are engauged in terror. I'm not smearing all Muslims, but I will say I am smearing the religion of Islam, however.Again I would love to see all Muslims from all counteries banned, unfortunatly I'll have to be happy with what our gov't is doing.
Trump is obviously targeting countries ISIS has a strong presence in.I am afraid for the reasons listed in my post which is Islamic terror has been going on since the 60s and nothing we've done has protected us very well.The people in those 7 counteries should grow some balls. Don't tell me you can't go down to the local bazaar or souq and pick up an AK-47 in those counteries with no problem. Their solution is to stop running and running here particularly if they're so afraid and start fighiting the turds you claim they fear.For their sake I hope they stabilize their counteris and pull out the weeds themselves... or if those counteries are incapable of regulating what goes on within their boarders between their Gov'ts and their citizens and allow it to be a cesspool and breeding ground for terror, which in turn causes our innocents to die and those of other counteries then we should do one of 2 things.
Those 2 things are A. Go in there and kill them ourselves or round them up, build Gumtsmamo Bay II capture and send them there and enjoy waterbording them for the rest of their lives. B. Demand they turn over the leadership of their countries to us. We then mandate a draft of their citizens, not ours and let their own people spill their own blood fixing the problem, and tax them and make them pay for it all.If terror is bred in a particular country and they just can't seem to manage it, and our citizens continue to die as a result, we have every right to solve the problem however we see fit.Look how well the Iraqis did (sarcasm) with the weapons and training we gave them. I think they aren't trying very hard, because they sympathize with the terrorists, and don't really care much if at all about solving the problem.
@reixun so you are saying there is a legit reason to support terrorist organizations?
@Thisperson98 So you are saying you believe in the world being like a damn comic book with pure evil or pure good? That's very naive. I'm telling you the reasoning of this woman and you're choosing to play fear factor with words like terrorism. It's all political goals and power games, both sides are wrong because in war nobody ever wins.But judging from my previous interactions with you, this time I spent writing this was wasted because you've got a weirdly bold right wing stance for a person my age and I've never seen you concede a point no matter how much logic brought to the table.
@Exterminatore Where do you get your information from? ISIS is not present in Somalia, Al-Shabab is. Al-Shabab was created in 2006, not even close to 60s. That little tirade on how the 7 countries need to fight terrorism... lmao you are clueless. Those two options of the US defeating terrorism aka wasting millions on torturing them all (thus inspiring the masses against the US government because they see them as martyrs) or making them hand over their entire government to America... just... what the fuck ahah you're a nutcase. I honestly doubt you have any knowledge of what terrorist groups want or their origins. You don't even know the areas of where ISIS is or when these terror groups even started. You don't know the various reasons young people go into terror groups like al shabab and fall into the brainwashing trap and lure of grandeur. You don't sound like you want to minimize violence and death, you sound like you want to increase it... but make it state sponsored.
Read my post. Then I'll discuss the rest with you.
Hitler did some good things for his country. For example he lowed unemployment. So by your logic, it is okay to support Hitler.
@Thisperson98 This isn't an argument on whether Hamas is a terrorist group or not, my point is that it's not as cut and dry as people think. Life is not black and white, a ton of people believe the United States Armed Forces is the biggest terrorist group what with all the unaccounted drone strikes that kill civilians in third world countries. It comes down to which life you value more because life is lost on all sides, Palestinian, Israeli. Everyone loses is my point. Not that Hamas is justified in anything or Israel is justified in their brutality. @Exterminatore Instead of wasting my time and your own time condescending, how about actually saying somethingz
@Thisperson98 I can asssure you that many terrorist organisations are not listed as terrorist organisations while a lot of terrorist organisations aren't terrorist organisations. If an organisation is in the countries terror list it's because the organisation is not FOR the interests of that country. Nothing else.For example the peshmerga is a trrrorist organisation for Turkey but not the USA. While the Muslim brotherhood is a terrorist in USA eyes but not that of turkey. It's interests nothing else.
@yucel_eden same thing can be said about the nazi party than...
@Thisperson98 The nazis genocided an entire peoples based on religion. Genocide doesn't equate to Yucel's contrasting example. These little nazi comparisons aren't doing much for you, your entire point isn't even clear. *My* point is that war has two sides with different perspectives, understanding motive of both sides and their values will help you understand that civilians are not the enemy. Civilians are never the enemy. They're civilians. Now back to the topic at HAND, those civilian immigrants should not be barred from the US from these chosen 7 countries because it's making them pay for the crimes of the war and chaos they are running from.
So gassing innocent civilians justified ever? Terrorists have used poison gas many of times. Also last time I checked these groups hates Jews just like the nazis did. Just watch that video, apparently rounding up Jews so they don't have to hunt them down is controversial. Oh wait, it shouldn't be, it shouldn't even be a logical choice.
@Thisperson98 Thank you, we're all refreshed and challenged by your incredibly unique perspective
I am sorry but when these groups says they want Jews to be in one place so they don't have to hunt them down. You don't even refute these points. The main argument.
.. Anyways. My argument is largely based on empathy and familiarity with Islam and muslims. I'm from somalia, my family is partly muslim, I've lived in muslim nations. The entire reason I'm spending time writing this stuff is because this is my reality whereas this is theoretical talk for you all. When you talk of banning these people from the US, you're not talking about foggy foreign ideas. You are talking about people like me and my family and friends. Imagine for a second that the President of your country judged your nationality and culture based on preconcieved notions rather than knowledge and made general laws based on the crimes of the worst people of your society. That's how it is. So I hope this little fireside chat made you think differently in *some* way. All this chat really taught me is that terror methods are working all your minds into irrational fear of muslims.
not irrational fear people are just not willing to take the risk. i won't ever risk my family life for your or someone i don't even known. but the Muslim i have met are in fact good people
@deadpool1992 It is irrational, there is an IMMENSELY small chance of a muslim being a terrorist. We're talking thousands of terrorists generally focused in warzones vs a *billion* muslims. It's just not realistic to punish muslims for the crimes of terrorists.It's like white males being banned from attending school due to the amount of school shooting rampages they've committed. It's generalization and wrong.
Especially you calling the act of condemning terrorist organizations controversial, it paints Muslims in a pretty bad light.
@Thisperson98 You're very naive, the word terrorist is subjective. People disagree on what is a terrorist organization.
A terrorist organization is an organization that uses terror against the public to further a cause.
This sort of puts things in perspective as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t6C020XKLk
lol, she's wearing a terrorist neckerchief... well, im generally conservative in my views, so i dont need a lot of convincing...
That neckerchief is also worn by American soldiers in the Middle East. Wearing that makes you cooler from the heat what are you on abou?
I'm laughing at the guy in the video... back off
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hate to break it to you but those people already live there those people are called US government
God bless you and I hope Israel is able to bulldoze Hezbollah, Hamas, and the PLO into the sea.May God protect you and grant you success in the service and protection of Israel.